The Bachelor 13 - Jason

An Explanation to the 2nd “ATFR” Announcement and the Answer to Clue #1

It’s been a crazy day. I actually wanted to post this earlier, but I had a power outage for the last 3 hours, so I’m just getting caught up on things. Here’s where I stand: After thinking things over last night, I’m still undecided on when to reveal what I know. The addition of the 2nd “After the Final Rose” show doesn’t have me shaking in my boots or upset, in fact (as I’ll explain momentarily) doesn’t come as a surprise at all. The thing that I was surprised at was they announced it on Feb. 12th. I thought they’d wait a little longer. But it doesn’t change what I know, it only makes what I know that much more believable when I eventually tell you.

I’m sure this is how ABC is playing this. They are going to present to you a love story. They are going to show the journey of that love story. They are going to show two people getting engaged, get reaction from the one who wasn’t picked, then give you a follow up on the next night as to where everything stands. I am here to tell you that is not what really happened. They are going to show you one story, and I will tell you another. There is no love story here, sorry to disappoint all you hopeless romantics. The 2nd “ATFR” show is being done, in their minds, to tell their side of the story and justify things that will happen in the finale. The reason they can do is this because this has all been one giant puppet show, with the creators pulling all the strings. Listen to what creator Mike Fleiss said in an interview yesterday:

“I’m the one to blame,” he said. “The show was being phoned in there for a couple of seasons. We were a little complacent. I was off making my movies (“Hostel,” “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre”) and we all took our eye off the ball. I thought the show would run itself.”

Mr. Fleiss has refocused his energies on “The Bachelor” and the rest of his TV efforts, which he produces in conjunction with his Warner Horizon-based Next Entertainment. That’s included naming “Bachelor” editor Martin Hilton as showrunner, something Mr. Fleiss credits with helping turn the show around.

“These shows are made in post,” Mr. Fleiss said. “He’s able to think about a show and how it’s cut together in advance.”

Mr. Fleiss also is thankful to ABC for sticking by his show.

“They’ve been supportive of the creative changes on the show, they’ve given us a nice time period, and they let us make the show we want to make,” he said.

Phrases like “creative changes”, “a nice time period”, and “making the show we want to make” further prove that this season has had a storyline set out from the very beginning. They have a certain story they want to present which will attract the most attention, generate interest/buzz, thus increasing ratings. Of course Fleiss is coming out and saying “It’s our best ending yet”, because the story was already written! They just needed it executed. You think this just naturally happened in the 13th season of a struggling franchise? Certain people have to go along with this story or else it doesn’t work. I became aware of this seasons storyline right when I broke the “exclusive” news on Jan. 27th. And through all the comments on my board, and through all the 3600 posts on FORT about what this could be, I am here to tell you now that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has nailed this thing dead on yet. Not one.

If they’re gonna give us a two hour finale on the Monday the 2nd, followed by a one-hour “ATFR”, why then do we need ANOTHER “ATFR” less than 24 hours later? What’s the point? There’s only one explanation. It’s because it’s all been set in motion since the beginning of the season. They knew what they were doing when they let out those screencaps in episode one, and they’ve known all along what was going to eventually happen. Yes, the finale is “jaw-dropping” because of what they were able to pull off. Sure, the finale and both “ATFR’s” will make it seem like these events happened totally on their own and without manipulation, and it’ll even come across as a genuine and somewhat believable story. I’m here to tell you its not. There is a story here that goes much deeper than what we’re seeing on television and people have been in on this from the very beginning. Who has been in on it, you ask? That will be revealed in my final column. And no, I have not told you the shocking part yet. This was just the beginning part of the story. There’s much more here. Who’s in on it? For how long? What exactly has been scripted? What’s the final resolution in all this? Who’s to blame? Did any of the girls know about this? What’s Jasons role in everything? Its going to get better, trust me.

So what does “K Moon/Rebecca” mean? When I first found out this information, and a friend asked me, “Can you tell me anything without giving it away?”, what I told them was, “This season is not necessarily about the who, but the how.” And I think even someone ran with that and put it in comment section back on either 1/19 or 1/26. So when I posted the first clue of “K Moon/Rebecca”, I thought someone would go back a week, remember the “It’s not necessarily the who, but the how”, and put two and two together. Well, I was wrong. I think there’s about maybe 20 to 30 people who figured out “K Moon” was “Keith Moon”, drummer for “The Who”. Hell, if the clue would’ve been “R Daltrey/Rebecca”, would that have made it easier? I don’t even listen to “The Who”. I just knew I wanted my clue to be “It’s not necessarily about the who, but the how.” So I wikipedia’d “The Who” and used the guys name from the band who I least recognized. I’d never even heard of the guy, so I went with that one. So “K Moon” = The Who.

The “how” was a bit trickier, but not much. So I went to imdb.com for a little help. Well, let’s see, Kirstie Alley’s character on “Cheers” was named “Rebecca Howe.” Bingo. There’s your clue. “K Moon/Rebecca” = Who/How. I’m a simple man. I wasn’t looking up Kiwi birds in New Zealand, or talking about moons, and orbits, and whatever else got thrown out there. You people really overanalyzed this clue. As for the Rebecca part, I was SHOCKED that nobody would try to link it up with a pop culture reference to one of the most famous sitcoms of all time. But like I said, even if you got that clue (which I think one person in America even suggested that Rebecca was a character on “Cheers”), didn’t mean you’d be able to figure anything out. It all fits in the story ABC is telling this season. No, this season is not about WHO he chooses, but the HOW behind it all.

So Clue #1 – “It’s not about the who, but the how.”

Back Tuesday with the next “Bachelor” column. Let the speculating begin.

543 Comments

543 Comments

  1. I think I have it!

    February 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM

    Just posted this on the newest board.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Here is my guess.

    Not the who…but how. ..2/3…Montreal

    HOW does the FRC go from 2 girls back to 3?

    Jason lets Jillian go at F3…even though he loves her.

    Jason lets Molly go at FRC.

    Jason proposes to Melissa…as he does love her (maybe just not in love with her).

    We then get the SC that show it’s Melissa. The fingernails…freckles…etc.

    BUT…Jason really loves Jillian.

    Now what.

    He tells the producers that he has to take back the proposal and somehow get Jillian back.

    That would be a jaw dropping…shocking…hard to get my head around dilemma.

    Will Jason look bad at having to take back Melissa’s proposal? You bet.

    Does this take guts…as CH said? You bet.

    Will Jason come out smelling like a rose in the end when he finally proposes to the one he is IN love with? Absolutely.

    ABC will need that extra show…just to explain this backstory..and to assure all the Melissa fans that she is fine and moving on with her life.

    So there is a love story to be told…just not the one we usually see from the FRC.

    The real love story comes later….possibly in Montreal.

    Thats my guess.

  2. Anony Mouse

    February 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM

    #498 Turtle – Thank you! Why is no one telling us where to look at FORT?

  3. Rene

    February 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM

    #432 CH said they rented the houseboat from a lovely couple to be near the hotel where the girls were staying. CH said Jason’s house was not close.

  4. MickeyLee

    February 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    There is NO big reveal on FORT #462 Amanda.

  5. soonergirl52

    February 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM

    I thought in RS blog that he mistakenly told friends the 3rd clue and he was going to tell the 2nd clue on blog so he just decided to tell clues 2/3 (or two and three),
    with both clues being Montreal (not real, expose, etc. Just a thought.

  6. Bentley

    February 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM

    Jason’s facebook page originally stated that the person he was with was 29; I thought that very odd that he would post something like that since ABC posts all of the contestants ages. Shannon, Nikki, Jillian are 29; the others are not. I assumed from the beginning that Jason had posted the truth; because very soon thereafter, this tidbit was removed and quickly. Out of the three left, Jillian is 29; she also lives fairly close to Jason so that they could continue to get to know each other in the real world and build upon their relationship. Shannon I discounted; but Nikki I always liked and thought she did not have much of a chance when she was sent home on the Stephanie and her date. Is she coming back who knows. From what I see about chemistry, to me it looks like Melissa and he have the most chemistry; but the family situation to me cast serious doubts in the long haul despite the very compelling screen shots by the editing crew. From my viewpoint, all of the parental visits were disappointing for someone who is picking a wife with very little to go on. I do not think that Deanna is coming back for Jason; but maybe she tells him that she let people go who she shouldn’t have; because she was intellectually trying to find someone who fit a certain mold and because she did not want to be hurt or embarrassed like she was with Brad. As far as K-Moon/2/3 or Montreal, I have not idea at all. Just my input.

  7. Ana Roland

    February 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM

    I think this back-firing on you…you are losing your fans! Ana

  8. Keep Me Guessing

    February 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM

    #486 Disgusted with Hollywood

    So you’ve been on ‘The Bachelor’? Which season?

  9. liar liar pants on fire

    February 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM

    So, what do we all get once again?

    Backtracking.

    Face it, you stink at this clue stuff.

    K Moon NOT related to music? amazing.

    so hundreds of posts later, you finally admit the answer you gave concerning this clue, was wrong. Gee thanks.

    Now I have to wonder, what else are you wrong about?

    This wasn’t the first time you were wrong (remember the backslash/forwardslash mistake?)

    Why not just stop this.

    Either post what you know, or post that you are going to keep it to yourself.
    Frankly with all your misinformation I don’t even care what you say anymore. None of it can be trusted.

    I plan to watch the end of this show, then no more.

    I do not plan to ever read your blog again. This is how you treat your loyal readers?

    Well, I want no part of it.

    you ruined a good thing.

  10. Ana

    February 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM

    OMG! i just had an original thought ….

    What if TY IS NOT REAL?

    jason isn’t a single father after all!!!!!!!!!?????????

    OMG! i think that’s part of it!

  11. Leeanne

    February 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    #510 Ty is real. He is not a hired actor. Ty is all over Jason Myspace page with friends and family and is the same kid as on the show. ….you guys are reaching…lol!

  12. Kamikidd

    February 13, 2009 at 2:35 PM

    Ok this what I think…..
    Jason proposes to 2/3 girls left.
    I remeber the first show to make a mental note of the glimpse of the FRC and identifying marks. Seasons past they have been very VERY careful to eliminate any identifying marks from the FRC preview.
    Jason proposes to Melissa and she says no. There is no love story becuase Jason can not go back and re-create a love story this late in the game.
    He is engaged, don’t know to who, but it has something to do with Melissa telling him no.

  13. Sleuther

    February 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM

    The 2/3 clue could refer to the ATFC ceremonies on March 2 and 3. RS keeps telling us that the clues do not refer to who gets picked but the “backstory”, so the 2/3 could refer to two dates when ABC supposedly shows us what happened. My theory is that there is no proposal to anyone in New Zealand but a later proposal back here in the U.S. that would likely be shown on March 3.

  14. joy

    February 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

    he lets one go and then decides he’s made a mistake calls her back and proposes

  15. Sleuther

    February 13, 2009 at 4:47 PM

    Because the “seaon preview” video has been pulled off of You-tube, you cannot see the video of the proposal, but the picture of Jason supposedly standing at the “altar” to propose appears to be a digital photo. Something just does not look right. The later proposal which he is in with the girl in the “blue” dress is definitely a different setting and could be in Montreal botanical gardens where they have ferns and exotic plants.

  16. Sleuther

    February 13, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    #501 – You analysis is close to my own except I think Deanna stirs the pot in telling him he can go get Jillian and I think he proposes to no one in New Zealand like Brad Womack.

  17. logging along

    February 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM

    DMG …Wow! Yes. Thank you very much for acknowledging the journalism degree. It’s reassuring that after many years, it’s still evident to some that this is what I was trained in. As for the television industry? Yeah, that too. ;0)

  18. Becky

    February 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

    Based on how Steve styled the KMoon/Rebecca clues, I am convinced that “Montreal” refers to Montreal screwjob. The WWF is something RS would be familiar with, as opposed to all the fancy French meanings or historical references others have suggested. So “Montreal screwjob” refers to the alteration of a pre-determined outcome which had been previously agreed by the participants. Very interesting. What was the pre-determined outcome of this show, who wanted it to be pre-determined, and what happened to alter it? One theory is that Jason already know Melissa before the show. The most recent comments on Chris Harrison’s blog seem to state this as a fact, although who knows where this information came from. We know that Jeremy and Jason are friends and Jeremy is dating a DCC, so that could be the connection. Perhaps Fleiss agrees to bring Mel on the show, knowing that Jason will probably choose her. Fleiss also decides to spice up the show by orchestrating some drama for Mel’s story (perhaps the 2/3 thing). We’ll see how that plays out once the episodes air. Meanwhile, however, something happens that was not part of the orchestrated drama (which is actually more jaw dropping). The question is whether ABC will tell us the real story behind what happened. And if they don’t, RS will tell us (YAY!)

  19. think simple

    February 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM

    Just think of Stece as a 5 year old. The solutions MUST be as simple as possible, as he isn’t that smart.

    And, dont forget that his answers to his own clues may not eve be right,so dont count on that either.

    KMoon not related to music…brilliant!

    In fact, we’d be better off if we just forgot the whole thing and just watched for ourselves.

    His lame clues and explanations many many posts later have actually ruined the entire thing for me anyway.

    Think I’ll find a new recap place, as Steve has worn out his welcome.

  20. grewmeAname

    February 14, 2009 at 10:47 PM

    Don’t know if this is still an active thread…last post a few hours ago, but I’m responding to GAgirlat #346 and jumping ahead here to say this now. Brilliant!

    I could never figure the logic in abc flying Deanna to NZ to tell him she “made a mistake–go with your heart”….timing it would take to purchase tickets, flight time, hold up shooting — scheduling & expenses when a mere phone call from her could accomplish that!

    What WOULD make sense for them to bring her back is when the producers start getting their panties in a wad when Jason showed signs of bucking their scripted “choice” for him, by his wanting to pick someone else. Quick meeting…who else could “convince” him the RIGHT person for him is xxx, other than Deanna? “Get her here ASAP!!! ”

    Her purpose isn’t to tell him to go with his heart, as everyone here is presupposing. I’m sure abc gave her a script to study on the flight with many great reasons she gives him on why he should pick THEIR choice!

    Not the who, the how….don’t hate the player, hate the game…no love.

  21. SassySelf

    February 15, 2009 at 1:40 AM

    Just saw this on FORT- shocking ending is that he picks the girl that comes out of limo first instead of second. He changes his mind at last minute.

  22. RSAA

    February 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM

    Reward for missing wife and mom …. has become addicted to RS’s blog and all the friggin responses and has started neglecting her wifey and motherly duties …

  23. RSAA

    February 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM

    Reward for missing wife and mom … has become addicted to RS’s blog and all the frigging response … has started neglecting her wifey and motherly duties … anyone know the truth and real ending please pass it on so this person can return to real life as soon as possible …

  24. RSAA

    February 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM

    hmmm … not sure how that posted 2x sorry :(

  25. RealityBytes

    February 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

    SassySelf can you post the link?

  26. Anonymous

    February 15, 2009 at 5:01 PM

    Several hundred posts disappeared? Wtf RS?

  27. Skarlet

    February 15, 2009 at 10:38 PM

    What happened to all the posts?

  28. designchica

    February 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM

    I dont’ understand where all the posts went. Yesterday there were about 1200 and now it is only showing 527.

  29. Julie S

    February 16, 2009 at 1:44 PM

    #521–I don’t think that would be so shocking, to us anyway. We saw that once before (Jesse? I forget) when the first one out was chosen and stood on the balcony watching the other woman get rejected.

    “It’s not the what, it’s the how (Howe).” I think means “It’s Melissa, but with a fake-out, a major deception or TB manipulation/scam to get to that result.”

    And, with that in mind, I think the first ATFR is to explain why Jason and F1 didn’t work out and NOW he’s with F2 (and we’ll see the happy couple in ATFR-2).

  30. lkirk

    February 16, 2009 at 2:15 PM

    Isn’t this season a mess. As I read through the posts on the different sites, I am growing a distaste for this show. All the editing has become so obvious, and even if it doesn’t obviously tell us anything, it does tell us much. Being over manipulated has never been a fondness of mine. So, I think I am wearing out and moving on to a show that is done and over in one night. Life’s too short to waste so much time. And, none of them have ever married……….and most of them we can’t even remember.

  31. Motomomma

    February 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM

    What is interesting is that Kirstie Alley(Rebecca Howe) was on a dating show. She was also an interior designer(Jillian) before she was on TV as an actress. Just some trivia while trying to figure out these crazy clues.

  32. Dori

    February 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM

    Maybe Jason can’t decide between Molly & Melissa so he asks Ty to pick..

  33. anonymous

    February 17, 2009 at 1:58 AM

    an arranged situation is the how..someone chooses for him…when? before or after or during the show…I don’t know. at first I thought maybe his son, but nobody would be cruel enough to give him that kind of responsiblity.

  34. IBelieveRS

    February 17, 2009 at 3:09 AM

    Jason propses to Melissa per the script. Jason realizes that he actually fell in love with someone else , thus breaking off the engagement with Melissa (took guts according to CH). He is engaged to someone else???? He met with whomever in Montreal. (probably Jillian) Thus he has been engaged to 2 out of the 3 finalists?

  35. Pebbles

    February 17, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    Ok, here is what I think. The whole DeAnna/Jesse engagement was a sham. DeAnna has been secretly engaged to Jason the entire time. Molly is not real (a plant) and 2 out of 3 of the last Bachelor/Bachelorette shows have been a sham or “not real”. This explains why Mel’s family declined the HTD and why Molly’s Dad told her not to cry in the limo. This explains why DeAnna is “dating” a tool like Ace. I’m having trouble with Mel, unless she was approached after DCC and recruited for this trainwreck.

    Just my 2 cents…

  36. happy2b

    February 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM

    JMO on the Montreal clue…

    MO – From Wikipedia: The term is also commonly used in English in a non-criminal sense to describe someone’s habits or manner of working, the method of operating or functioning.

    NT REAL – Not real

    Someone’s M.O. is not real.

    Side note: Did anyone else read about a possible lawsuit by some of the ladies because of the outcome of the show? I can’t remember where I saw this posted?

  37. Jenny

    February 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM

    Ok – one more thing. The picture posted EVERYWHERE of the screen shot of Jason proposing and the ring on the finger and him kissing her hand… from the FRC well I am sure this has been mentioned but its the LEFT hand – so what does that tell you? It was scripted just for the shot or he did that ” I am falling for you but not ready to get engaged, lets call this a promise ring…..” thing. Did anyone see that?

  38. AlexM

    February 17, 2009 at 8:00 PM

    Not sure if this means anything, but this is a recap of the final episode of “Cheers” (Rebecca Howe, like RS explained), “it’s not the who, but the how”… Please share you’re thoughts…

    “Whilst watching the National Cable ACE Awards, the gang sees ex-waitress Diane Chambers winning the award for best writing in a mini-series. This leads to Sam calling Diane to congratulate her, and to find out that she is married and has children. Sam tells her Diane that he too has a wife and kids, and invites Diane and her husband to visit them.

    Sam strongly believes Diane is lying and becomes really shocked when she walks into Cheers the following day to meet Mrs. Malone. Meanwhile, Rebecca’s boyfriend Don proposes to her and she accidently says no, ends up heartbroken and agrees to play Sam’s wife to fool Diane.

    Sam and Rebecca have dinner with Diane and her husband, Reed Manchester. During the dinner Don arrives and proposes to her again, and this time she manages to say yes! They leave the dinner, and Sam thinks he must look like a fool. Then Diane’s husband turns out to be a fake when *his* husband Kevin appears! Now alone, Sam and Diane reminisce about the good old times, and end up back together. Diane asks Sam to move to California with her.

    Sam and Diane are all ready to take off to California. But whilst waiting for their delayed flight, they realize they weren’t meant to be together. They finally say goodbye to each other and Diane returns to California. Sam returns to the bar to discuss the future with the gang. He realizes that he cannot leave his one love – Cheers.

    As the regulars go home, Sam starts closing up the bar. A man comes to the door, but Sam doesn’t let him in, saying, “Sorry, we’re closed,” before heading into the back room. “

  39. Lttn1

    February 18, 2009 at 12:36 AM

    Hi – I’m new here, but I’ve been trying to figure this season out since day one… when I saw “the Hand” and “the ring”, and somehow I missed this site and all the comments and concepts. I didn’t like almost ALL the girls from the beginning. I love Stephanie because of her story. I was raised by a mom like her, but I did know my dad, who died when I was 10. I hope she finds someone wonderful. My 2 cents: I bet the 2/3 means 2 out of the final three are in on “something”. Montreal – I think it’s a nod to Canada… meaning “the Canadian is not real”. Jillian is from Alberta, not BC, but maybe she now lives in BC, which is near Seattle. I hear a bunch of the guys from The Bachelorette are pals, so maybe one of them introduced Jason and Melissa in advance. If so, CH is either lying, or being lied to – both of which are bad. The outcome, the how, a great mystery for sure. Maybe it’s Melissa – the ATFR might be where they admit they knew each other and ABC didn’t even know in advance. Then ABC thinks they better do another ATFR to cover their arssses from looking like a bunch of crooks or politicians! Only valid excuse for a set up, if it’s a setup, is to protect lil Ty from getting hurt in the crossfire, when as is usual, the bachelor and his beloved “get to know each other and realize their lives are going in different directions”. More guesses?? come-on, I love it!

  40. Lttn1

    February 18, 2009 at 12:49 AM

    Oh, a couple other things – did anyone notice in NZ, when J and M are walking down a hill, before the hot pool, they were talking about something, maybe “family” and suddenly, she puts her finger over her mouth, like “oops”? Then in the hot pool she says “we’ve had a lot of great dates, haven’t we”…. maybe they have… maybe they had a lot of great dates in Texas when they first met. Maybe she’s flown to Seattle before and spent time with him. I dated my hubby long distance for a long time before we moved to the same city. Maybe this was a fun way for them to get together in Seattle. Maybe she was moving there to be with him anyway, and ABC ran with that and wrote the whole awful story. Maybe she’s met Ty and so he wasn’t worried to have her over – when my son was that little I could put him to bed, but that didn’t mean he wasn’t waking up, and he might see one of my five new girlfriends. If she’d met Ty already, there’s less concern in having her over. That might have all been scripted. Hmmm, I don’t know what else I noticed and forgot. I’m annoyed by this season, but I have to admit, it’s as good as LOST, as far as intrigue goes.

  41. Meg

    February 18, 2009 at 5:08 PM

    What about Deanna? What is the drama with her coming back?

  42. alisa

    February 18, 2009 at 11:10 PM

    All I got to say if this is what Jason really did…I really felt sorry for him in the first show but this really makes him scum. That is a horrible way to treat someone and I am surprised after him being on the show before and getting dumped that he would even agree to putting someone else through that. I will not watch it anymore if this is the way that they are going to do the show.

  43. Christal

    February 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    Boy Steve you sure do know how to cause a panic!!! I believe what you said. I just can’t wait to see how ABC actually plays it out…

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