I wanted to clear up one thing immediately regarding the “K Moon/Rebecca” clue. I actually went back and read what I wrote in response to the guesses people were having about it. The #3 answer I gave in bold was “Don’t be checking any song lyrics.” I wrote this because, at the time, a lot of guesses were popping up where people were quoting songs and looking for the hidden meaning in the lyrics. I wanted to immediately refute that. However, in that follow up answer, I accidentally wrote “Music is not relevant here”, which I shouldn’t have written. I should’ve left that part out and just told you to focus on “Don’t be checking any song lyrics”. Obviously, that was a mistake on my part, and not until I got a couple emails yesterday regarding it, did I even realize I had written that. So, I apologize for that. If you choose to believe I did that on purpose, then, well, you’re wrong. I honestly did not know I wrote that until yesterday when I went back and looked. I wanted you to focus on the “It’s got nothing to do with song lyrics” part. Don’t know why I wrote “Music is not relevant here”. Complete mistake on my part since obviously I know “The Who” has to do with music.
As for the clues themselves, I don’t know how many times I need to repeat this. They are not going to tell you who the final one is. They are clues that relate to what I know about the finale. What I wrote for “K Moon/Rebecca” was exactly this:
“It’s a thought, a mindset, something that puts together what happens in the finale. ‘K Moon/Rebecca’, if solved, could be a considered a “themeâ€. Obviously, in a shortened version.”
I’d say that’s pretty accurate. The clue I wanted to give you was, “It’s not about the who, but the how”, which is the theme behind what I know. But that’s not a clue itself, that’s essentially giving it away. So I shortened it to who/how and came up with “K Moon/Rebecca”. I told you in the beginning they weren’t easy and they were going to be vague. I even said it’s about 2 or 3 degrees of separation from what I know. Hell, some people guessed the K Moon part, so apparently it was pretty easy. Granted, it was probably only 5% of you, but still, it’s not like no one figured it out. The “Rebecca” part was tougher, I know that. But everyone was digging too deep on that one. I just figured someone would go the TV route and figure out it was a character name. Once again, just because you didn’t get it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good clue. As I said from the very beginning when I started these clues, these are all pieces to the puzzle of the finale. Every clue has something to do with the structure of how the finale will be presented. I can’t make that any clearer. By revealing what “K Moon/Rebecca” meant, that did NOT give away what I knew. I just said it was a piece of it, which is “It’s not about the who, but the how.” The “shocker”, “jaw-dropper”, etc, whatever you want to call it, is not that the show is scripted. I never said it was. That I haven’t given out yet. Some of you took yesterday’s column as thinking that was all I knew. Far from it. There is plenty more to come. I’d say the “2/3″ clue is probably the biggest, and most telling clue out there that’ll explain what I know. Remember, it actually has two meanings to it that relate to what I know. And sorry, no one has figured it out yet.
Also, wanted to mention that a lot of you are jumping to waaaaaaay too many conclusions regarding the “There is no love story here” and “The show is scripted” phrases I mentioned yesterday. Waaaaaay too many conclusions. That’s all I’ll say about that.
And remember during my first 20 Questions when I told you that there is something that I’ve been writing that NO ONE has picked up on yet? Well, still no one has picked up on it. And if you eventually do, then I’d say you’re pretty close to figuring out what I know.
Everything will piece together in the end. “K Moon/Rebecca”, “2/3″, “Montreal”, and Tuesday’s clue will all make sense come my final column. Trust me. Yes, they’re vague and obscure now, but they will make complete sense when I explain in detail what I was getting at with those clues. Plus, they will essentially be “time stamps” of when I knew the stuff when I did. I told you I’ve been privy to information about the finale that very few people know about. One piece of that information was “It’s not about the who, but the how.” I don’t see in any way how that wasn’t a clue to what I know. If I didn’t give you that, you’d still be hung up on pinky rings, freckles, and dresses. Get beyond that. So now that you know it goes deeper, move on to “2/3″ and “Montreal”, two more giant pieces to the puzzle. And oh yeah, look for that one giant thing that you’ve been missing in what I’ve been writing.
For those that continue to doubt, just know that the information I know is 100% confirmed and quadruple sourced. Remember, I lived in L.A. for pretty much my whole life until moving to Texas 2 1/2 years ago. To say I couldn’t email a few people, pick up a phone and make a couple calls and find out a few things would be naive.
See you Tuesday.
Here’s what happens-he picks Mel or Molly -the WHO is not important. Since the ATFRC is usually the first time Jason and the one he picks sees each other since the FRC-she is pissed,her family is pissed, her friends are pissed- especially after seeing him with Jillian in the hot tub. She tells him there is no way she can be engaged to him now and that the engagement is off.
Steve’s clues, as we have found out, really don’t mean much. They may make some abstract sense at the end, but certainly are no help in solving the mystery-so I didn’t even bother with them.
The second ATFR will show us that they made up and worked it out. ABC loves showing us a happy ending.
Steve, you have to tell us the real deal. I will be so confused by the lies and manipulation I won’t know what the real story is. Please tell us before they make us believe them!!!
Two more possible connections to the “Rebecca Howe” clue: 1) When Kirstie Alley joined the show, she was pregnant and they were going to have to work it into the script, but then she miscarried, and 2) in 1997 after leaving Cheers, she starred in a movie, “For Richer, For Poorer in which she and her unhappily married screen hsb. fled town to avoid financial disaster and, later while living in an Amish community, they rediscovered their love for each other.
If #1, then that would explain the closed taping as one of the Bachelorettes may have miscarried. If #2, then the hunch about Hilary Mesnick returning or Deanna returning may have merit.
Yes, there seemed to be foreshadowing when they showed Molly asking Jason about picking the wrong girl but what about CH interviewing Jason about the night in the tent? Is it typical to film the Girls Tell All way before? Isn’t it live? So what if something happened that night in the tent…and Molly blabs…and Melissa gets hurt or even worse…Molly is pregnant… 2 of the final 3 in his life forever?
RS, more clues please!
Why not edit out that purple tie? I do not believe the statement by Chris Harrison that it was too gaudy. Isn’t that the tie he wears at the end? Is it not too gaudy then?
I heard that he picks Melissa at the end. She goes home after the show and tells her boyfriend. Her boyfriend proposes and she leaves Jason.
That is why in a VO…..he says Melissa reminds him of DeAnna and his ex-wife…they are foreshadowing that she wil break up with him too!
Whyis everyone so obsessed with these girls being pregnant??!!! I honestly doubt that is it.
#`1984 – there’s a new twist to think about – Deanna arrives right AFTER the proposal. You’re the first one I’ve seen allude to this. That would be a shocker and fit a producer concept. And recall Deanna suggests her visit is more important than we think it is, but not necessarily because Jason is interested in her. This timeline DOES add lots more dram.
Probably not the case because Jason couldn’t have any kind of straight face at all while talking to her, but I can see where this would be drama a producer might like.
Has everyone read Chris Harrison’s blog for episode 7? Very interesting! It also clears up a few things!
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/the_bachelor/index.html
He stops the rumors of Jason having met any of the girls before the show. He also says there are many rumors floating around that are crazy!
He explains the reason for the two ties last night – Jason’s tie was horrible so Chris gave him his! LOL
He also says the theory that the show is all produced or scripted cracks him up!
He gives a hint that something happens that is so stunning and dramatic that they taped the AFTR in private without an audience.
Chris will also blog 3 more times, after WTA, the finale and AFTR 1 and after the ATFR 2 to wrap up everything that has happened.
#225 Jawbreaker
I think that tie was bigger, and purple with some strange print in it last night. I thought it was the one he wears are supposed FRC, but when I looked again it’s different. FRC one looks more blue I think.
That the pictures on the table switched sides? When Jason was talking to Chris about the girls, Melissa’s picture was on the far right side of the table, with Jillian and Melissa both toward the left side. When Jason is there by himself, Melissa’s picture is on the left!? What the heck is that all about?
Chris’ blog is everything it should have been -spin spin and more spin..or to quote Stephen King “nope, nothing wrong here”.
OK, Steve, so here it is. Sounds like you caught wind that ABC was going to announce the 2nd ATFR. Therefore, like any sane person, you figured there is more to the story. And of couse, ti use ABC”s own words, the MOST, SHOCKING, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH EVER!!!!!! Aren’t they all? So you write that you know what it is and give clues in the form of riddles. Clues, that if they could be solved, still do not give us the SHOCKING ENDING. Jeez, anyone could predict that. And by NOT coming clean, that tells me you really don’t know exactly what is SHOCKING. You just got wind of the added special that was to be announced and acted like you knew the whole story. Again, any semi-frequent watcher of this bull could do that. So, Steve, put up or shut up. Spill now, because if you wait until March 2 or 3, you will be irrevelant. Anyone can say after the fact (or final rose if you will) that “I knew it all the time”. Obscure clues that reveal nothing when solved prove no claim of yours. Pony up, buddy boy.
Hey Reality Steve, I think I’ve figured out what you know, doo dah, doo dah. Having said that I’m not going to say what it is, because it is so good that I don’t want to spoil the fun. I just can’t. Having said that, I do want to apologize to ABC and to the parties involved for what I said last night about this whole season being a “load of crap.” Now that I think I have it figured out, I feel like a total ASS for saying that, and I have a great deal of respect for ABC and for the parties involved, because I think I know the answer, and I’m so anxious to see how this evolves. Trust me on this, guys, this is all I will say, you DON’T want to say mean things. When I figured it out, my jaw not only dropped to the floor, it dropped clear to the basement. This is better than CSI, or any of the detective shows, which are some of my favorites, in that reality Steve is giving clues. You are priceless for doing this, Steve, and I respect you so much for not giving it away. That is why I REFUSE to give away what I have figured out either. Guys, just sit back, watch and enjoy the ride, because this one is truly gonna be fun to see how they pulled that off! Steve if you have an e-mail address other than this one, please send it to me, and I’ll tell you what I think it is, but maybe from this you have figured out I already know.
ANN
That’s a load of BS. You have no idea what’s going on. Anyone can say “Oh yeah, I know exactly what happens…it’s shocking..but I can’t tell you”
Same as other people said to RS..Either put up or shut up.
I think Astrochicks has it … Jason proposes to Melissa. 1st ATR show is about the trip to see Melissa parents & to see Ty for a longer visit. 2nd ATR show is to announce that Melissa has LEFT JASON FOR HER LOSER EX.
Ooof. That would be rough. But, honestly, its the most plausible rumor I’ve heard. Explains why her parents want nothing to do w/this train wreck. Why her friends were so mixed re: her/her family/past relationships. It’s exactly what a no-self-esteem drama queen would do. Dump the “safe” guy for the guy who made her feel small. And its exactly what a LOSER EX would do … get interested in a girl again once she’s all over TV as “the prize” on a frickin’ game show. Blerg. Yuck.
Ann,
“ASS” “DON’T” “REFUSE”
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Maaybe we should brace ourselves for the fact that Molly wins…maaybe
Ann,
Why don’t you just tattoo “I need attention” on your forehead instead of posting some lame ass nonsense?
This bytes…I think that ABC is using that WTA as a filler and I also think that ABC is playing all of us. If they are scripting it as a love story than how the heck can they portray it that Molly wins…
2017. Maaybe I don’t think you are correct…Molly simply cannot win, cannot comeback, cannot last with Jason she looks and acts like his mom.
They say kids no best and Ty was like listen get that chick out of my face I like this young hot Melissa…she’s my age
From the REAL JeffS
I hope you all enjoyed last night’s show. As I told you nothing special happened other than F3 (Jillian) being let go.
In the rogugh edit Melissa told Jason that, if she was not F1, he should let her go at F3 BUT apparently this was edited out of the final version. I’m not sure why.
Anyway…snce this will be my one and only post this week I want all of you to know that Melissa will be the F1.
Molly will be very hurt because she feels she was led on. Jason told her he loved her and they even had sex.
At first Jason will try to deny it but then he will admit the truth.
This is the “potentially explosive” thing CH talks about in the promo for ATFR.
How will Melissa react when she finds out that Jason said and did those things with Molly one night before he propsed to her?
For sure it will be the most “dramatic ATFR ever”!!!
MEAT LOAF 1997- “It’s all coming back to me now”
So there it is folks.
Not such a big deal, but RS managed to keep everyone interested and for that he serves a gold medal.
To Lyndsay (#1938) Yes, I did…. I think they need a new script supervisor… Too many scenes inconsistent that we (detectives) notice on a show like this…
To Lyndsay (#1938) Yes, I did…. I think they need a new script supervisor… or the editor should pick up on it, no?? Too many inconsistent scenes that we (detectives) notice on a show like this…
I believe it is Melissa, but it (like most all of the shows) doesn’t work out. But this time, he ends up with one of the other chicks.
He picks Melissa but she comes back and says she can’t do it because her parents don’t approve. They are so upset by all that has gone on in the shoe with Jason and the other women and tell her they will never accept it, so Jason goes for 2nd best and proposes to Molly. There, no need to watch anymore.
Jillian is not coming back, Jason and his F1 are still together (met for Valentine’s Day weekend), and they are happy.
Here’s my theory. Is it possible that Melissa is bi-racial and out of concern that this would affect Jason’s decision, the family opted out of being filmed/meeting Jason until he made his decision based on who Melissa is and not who her parents are? That would explain why they felt it necessary to film the family and Jason’s reactions after the AFTR..
#2008, Chris Harrison is paid by ABC to put paid to any and all rumors that would debunk that the Bachelor is anything other than a show for two people to find lurve.
Jeffs
And Celene Dion sang that song also. Isn’t she from Montreal?
Anyone else feel like if RS doesn’t spill something…it doesn’t have to be the whole story, but if he doesn’t give us SOMETHING more than “its not the who, but the when” stupid clue..then he really knows nothing more than we all do?
JeffS, nothing new there either, Jesse Palmer did the dirty with both of his F2 as well and paid for it during the FRC when he was called on the carpet by his F2. Not jawdropping, not shocking either.
Things that RS have said and that JeffS have said don’t make any sense. First of all the whole RS and nothing to do with lyrics. RS’s clues don’t match up with what this Jeff person is saying. Last week RS didn’t post til around noon.
it is pretty much assumed that the F3 sleep with The Bachelor. So not sure why that is so shocking. The F2 always has hurt feelings. Not shocking either. Try again JeffS.
JeffS–Thanks for the update. I trust your info. You have been consistent with your story and all of the details. But…..only ONE post this week. AWWW!!
did anyone else notice that they did not show Jason’s face when he and Jill were in the hot tube, with her legs wrapped around him. Maybe they had a stand in do that scene.
How do I sent RS a note, I have seen JAson with someone that is not F1 or F2. I think he would like to know what I know but I don’t know how to email him…
RS- Come out, Come out wherever you are. We want to play and it’s no fun without you.
Now I’m confused – some of you will remember that there are were pics of Melissa and Jason on the MV Yvalda boat last night, and there are screen caps of Melissa and Jason on a catamaran that hasn’t been shown yet.(she is in that striped red, black, white bikini)
Well, if you read Jason’s blog this week, he starts a paragraph off by saying “How about that catamaran date with Melissa?”
Huh?? I thought that was next week – maybe these dates are out of sequence and Jason messed up in his blog?
Here’s the link:
http://tvwatch.people.com/category/the-bachelor/
When Deana returns, they show her saying something like “it’s not too late, you havent proposed yet.” This has to be before the rose ceremony, unless he chooses neither girl at the ceremony. It’s almost like he wants to choose Mel but cant without meeting her family…and so D says “it’s not too late.” So maybe there wont be a rose ceremony like there traditionally is. Does anyone know when they tape the ATRC? Jason has said he’s engaged before the show started, so if they filmed it recently, this wouldnt add up. I’m at a loss. In the previews, CH made it seem soooooo dramatic, like someone died or something. RS where are you?!!!
That is what some of you are grasping at. Jason either mistook which date was first or he said the wrong name for the boat he was on that day. No biggie.
Not surprised that Molly would do anything she could do to win. That’s the vibe I’ve had from her since the beginning. No sympathy there. Too bad so sad. Jason’s just a jerk though, if he did that. If Melissa hasn’t figured out she can do better, I’m sure she will in time.
#2038, nope he just said how about that Catarmaran Date last night, nothing about the name of a boat or Yacht at all. Methinks the Yacht date did not happen on the Overnight/Exotic Dates.
I believe JeffS’s comments…
2/3 —> Jason slept with 2 of the 3 final women on the Fantasy Dates
Montreal —> the ‘screwjob’ that everyone references
Molly flips her lid, but didn’t Tara on Jesse Palmer’s season do this as well complete with vomiting roadside at the Final Rose Ceremony?
This whole show is so fake and totally staged. Jason is not even a good actor. I’m sure the most shocking finale will be as predictable as usual. Another soap opera to watch. At least GH doesn’t advertise itself as a reality show.
Dont flame me for hanging on to the Jillian theory but think about a few of these things
No previous Bachelor was ever that upset about sending a Bachelorette home.
Jason said that he and Jill shared a different connection than he was looking for in his wife,with Melissa and Molly. Obvioulsy what he was looking for was not the right thing because he got divorced! Do you think that maybe he figures out that he was looking for the wrong things in a wife?
Jason perviously stated that he wanted someone that he felt he could never live without. How do you know if you can’t live without someone until they are not in your life for a period of time.
He also said in an early teaser that we would be able to see his relationship develope. He was immedialtly attracted to Mel I dont see anything “developing” with Molly but Jill is definatley a progression.
In the post show interview with Jillian that everyone is talking about this morning Jillan said ” I love him still, but I think that he made the right decision.”
“He had met all these things that I was looking for, but there was that one little thing inside you that says “yes, he’s the one,’ and it wasn’t there yet,”
One tiny word can make all of the difference YET adn why would she still love him.
dont know how he comes to realize the Jillian is really what he is looking for in a wife but I am sure that whatever happens will be Jawdroping! The second ATR is him trying to explain his journey to this decision and asking her to marry him.
I heart JeffS
To all of you “Molly” bashers….Remember this is scripted and edited. She is MADE to look like this. She and her family are from my home town and I can tell you that she is more than what is being shown.
You all jump all over anyone critical of Melissa or Jillian, give her the same respect. I really don’t see that any of her behavior is worth the bashing/hate. She said herself last night, just because she’s not all “mushy/gushy” like the other girls, doesn’t mean her feelings aren’t genuine…..we are all pawns in this game along with the women. This is an EDITED TV show, people.
Well, after watching the the three dates, I could say without a doubt that he picks………………Molly.
She got the most romantic fantasy suite date. The dinner, the hot tub, and the fantasy suite room have rose petals scattered all over. Molly is the only one he said he adores in his VO.
He said he was falling for all the three but she is the only one you hear he adores completely. I think that is the most endearing word you can say to someone.
I thought the editing in last nights show was lame… so many pauses to capture “moments”.. didnt seem real or geniune in any shape or form….I do like Molly and Melissa. Molly is alittle bit of a control freak,too aggressive, and a little “cold” or maybe a little emotionally reserved. Could be the editing? who knows. Again-its not all as it seems.. IMelissa is more playful and animated, which to me is something that is more fitting for Jason and Ty.
Jaosn’s posting on the blog was a BIG mistake. Why would he say catamaran when he talked on the Fantasy Date about all of the details about the boat/yacht that he and Melissa were on. He keep mentioning that this was Winston Churchil’s yacht and the history that went along with it. Also, they had jeans, sweaters and other warm clothes on when they were on the Fantasy Date on Winston Churchill’s date. On the catamaran screencaps shown previously, it shows Melissa in a bikini and Jason in a bathing suit and they jump in the water. The fantasy date last night was definitely not a catamaran,
I figured you out Steve…… I think when Deanna is telling Jason he hasnt handed out the final rose…it’s not too late….I think its because he realized he made a mistake and let the wrong girl go. And I think the Montreal clue is to let us know the wrong girl is Canadian. I saw the look on Jason’s face when Jillian told him he was wrong. I think he goes to Canada and “goes after” the girl he let go…..I bet he has finally figured out Molly and Melissa arent the right ones. I never felt chemistry between him and those 2 ladies…the only I feel he had the real connection with was Jill. Thats the twist. He goes back for Jill…….how close am I??
I believe JeffS. See my post #1185.