Mike Fleiss Sucks at Math

March 16th, 2011 | 47 Comments | Posted in Interviews, The Bachelor 15 - Brad

Let me ask you a question. If you had a pizza in front of you cut into, say, 12 slices and you ate 11 of those in one sitting, if someone asks you, “Hey, how much of that pizza did you eat?”, what would your answer be? I think most normal people would say, “I pretty much ate the whole thing”, or, “I ate all but one piece”. What if later on you ended up eating that last piece? When talking about that pizza, you’d probably just tell people “I ate the whole thing”. Did it happen at one sitting? No, but eventually you had eaten all of it so that’s all that matters. Well, apparently “Bachelor” creator Mike Fleiss failed basic math in 5th grade as evidenced by an answer he gave to EW.com in an interview that posted last night, in which he addressed me specifically. Here is the question and answer exchange:

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EW.com: Reality Steve spent most of the season predicting that Chantal will be the winner. Once he owned up to being wrong, fans crowed that he had been `Fleiss’d.’ Did you or anyone involved in the show feed him misinformation?

Fleiss: I wish I could take credit but he duped himself. He’s nuts, a goofball. He says these things with 100 percent conviction but he’s right only half of the time. It doesn’t matter that much to us, it’s just that he acts like he knows everything. He’s the Michele Bachmann of reality TV facts. But the leaks are not really coming from production. They’re coming from former cast members. That’s a hard thing to police. The best way to combat him is to let himself shoot himself in the foot.
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Geez, where do I start? I guess a giant “thank you” is in order first and foremost that Fleiss and I are almost on a first name basis now. Thanks, bud. But let me address everything he said:

1. “He duped himself.” Hmmm, I guess you could say that for the first three months this season, yeah, I kinda did. I had myself convinced that the information given to me about Chantal was correct. But at least Fleiss admits he wasn’t behind it. Even though I’ve been telling you that for the last couple seasons, I’m glad he actually acknowledged it. There isn’t any “misinformation” campaigns going on behind the scenes being conducted by the powers-that-be at ABC/Warner Horizon/Next Entertainment to try and fool me. They produce a TV show and I try and figure out the spoilers before it gets to air using sources that I have. It’s not some giant conspiracy. It’s almost become a game at this point.

2. “He’s nuts, a goofball.” Absolutely. Actually, a Goof-bot as my nephew likes to say. “We’re walking and we’re talking…just like a robot…like a Goof-bot…Mister Goof-bot.” Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Go look it up.

3. “He’s only right half the time.” Yikes. Apparently Mr. Fleiss flunked out of remedial math in middle school if he considers everything I’ve reported to be only right “half the time”. Really? Do I really need to bring out every instance in the last two years where something I said before it aired ended up happening? Mikey, in case you’ve been under a rock, just in the last three weeks alone, I told everyone:

-Who your next “Bachelorette” was going to be
-The reason Chantal WOULDN’T be the “Bachelorette” was because she was dating Jeff Razore, which she confirmed to “People” yesterday
-Said three weeks ago that filming for Ashley’s season would begin this week (it started last night as you confirmed in the interview)
-Told everyone what they would and wouldn’t see at the final rose ceremony
-Informed people before the ATFR that Brad and Emily have already broken up, that Chantal’s new boyfriend would be addressed, and that the three successful couples would come back to give an “intervention” of sorts to Brad and Emily
-That Brad and Emily would be on the cover of “People” magazine this week

That’s being half right? Not to mention that a month before your season started, every reader to my website knew what was going to happen on every date and rose ceremony, which all turned out to be true. So either this guy is smoking crack or just refusing to give credit where credit is due. I’m guessing it’s the latter. I hate to tell you this buddy, but the simple fact is that for the last THREE seasons this franchise has produced (Brad’s “Bachelor”, “Bachelor Pad”, Ali’s “Bachelorette”), every single one of my readers knew exactly what was going to happen before each episode aired. I’d say that’s a little better than “half right”. Can’t dispute that.

4. “It doesn’t matter that much to us, it’s just that he acts like he knows everything.” Well, apparently it does matter since you’re taking time to address it. I act like I know everything? Hmmmm, well I hate to tell you this, but for the reasons I just gave in the previous answer, it’s safe to say I kinda do know everything.

5. “He’s the Michele Bachmann of reality TV facts.” I’ll be honest. I don’t have a clue in the world who that is or what she’s done and it’s not even worth googling, since I’m sure her and I have nothing in common in terms of spoiler accuracy on reality shows.

6. “The leaks are not really coming from production. They’re coming from former cast members.” Whew. Glad we finally got that out in the open. Awesome. Please, please, please keep thinking I get my info from former cast members. Only proves that you’re definitely on the wrong track. I’ve never revealed where I get my info from, and I never will. However, I can tell you where I DON’T get it from, and that’s former cast members. Am I friends with a few of them? Of course. I’ve never hid that fact. Have I been told stories of stuff that happened to them during their seasons? Without a doubt. But to say that they are the ones feeding me info on your current seasons is ridiculous. These people don’t know anything. Really?

You know what’s the most comical about this? The fact that a lot of the ones I do talk to are usually always asking me, “How do you know this stuff?” and they always want me to tell them in private first before posting on my blog. Well, except Holly Durst. She hates reading my site because she doesn’t want to be spoiled. Sorry Holly. It’s inevitable. So Fleiss really thinks people like Tanner or Jeremy are telling me “Hey, Ben Castoriano is gonna be a contestant on Ashley’s season”, or that some random cast member from “x” season is saying, “Hey Steve, here’s the episode-by-episode breakdown of what happens.” So when I release more names and photos of contestants currently filming on Ashley’s season, that info was given to me by former cast members too? Sweet. Keep thinking that. Couldn’t be more wrong.

7. “The best way to combat him is to let himself shoot himself in the foot.” I know your math skills are on par with a 3rd grade Anguillan, but did you just use a form of the word “him” three times in a 15 word sentence? My brain hurts now. If by “shoot himself in the foot” you mean “tell everyone what’s gonna happen on our show before it airs”, then yeah, I must’ve blown all of my toes and feet off by now.

I like Mike Fleiss. I really do. I like when he talks about me. This is fun. The more he spews nonsense like this, the more credibility my site gains. When the creator of the show is addressing the guy who has spoiled every single detail of his last three seasons by saying “he’s only half right”, “he’s a goofball”, and “he’s the Michele Bachmann of reality TV facts”, I must be doing something right.

Some other points about the interview I found interesting:

-Nice little dig he took at Chantal for dating Jeff. Basically just mocked the fact she turned down being the lead on HIS show to take a chance on some local guy. Considering your track record is 3-for-21, I’d say Chantal made the right decision.

-Another nice shot he took at the six previous “Bachelorettes” by saying Ashley is the first “career woman” they’ve had. That’s funny. Dude, she’s still in school. Don’t know if we should be calling her a career woman – yet. However, Trista, Meredith, Jen, DeAnna, Jillian, and Ali all thank you for the back handed slap you just gave them. I’m sure they’re thrilled.

-I’m glad he confirmed that filming started last night which means that more and more info should be coming to me in the following weeks.

-I actually liked his answer confirming the fact that they will never cast a lead that wasn’t on a previous season. I’ve said that for the last three seasons. Why would they change that formula? It makes the most sense. Whoever it is, whether it’s Ashley, or Chantal, or Shawntel, or Michelle, ALL of them would’ve had a built-in fan base heading into this season. It’s a smart business move and they’d be dumb to go outside of their inner circle. Not to mention, the 25/30 people vying for the lead is the “fresh blood” you need every season. It’s not like they’re recycling contestants to try again. THAT would get old. They recycle 1 person, and have 25/30 fresh meat every season. It’s the way it should be.

-Easy about lying on the ratings. You didn’t draw 20 million people on Monday. It was 13.8 million. Apparently his math teacher back in the day not only didn’t explain to him the definition of “half”, but also told him that 13 rounds up to 20.

-He’s got a successful show running. No point in tinkering with what works. Ashley’s season will be the 22nd season in franchise history. I’m sorry, but like he said, shows lasting 22 seasons just don’t happen anymore, if ever. You think after Alex Michel’s season ended back in 2003 you’d be talking about this franchise in 2011 and into 2012? Please. It’s pretty crazy what the franchise has turned into. I jumped on it early and haven’t gotten off. Now I’m just riding the wave as long as I can, and I don’t see me falling off my body board anytime soon.

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47 thoughts on “Mike Fleiss Sucks at Math

  1. hey Mike … don’t be hatin
    just get comfortable with the fact that you can’t touch Reality Steve
    ;)

  2. WOW…Fleiss says a lot of stuff but none of it matters. He cannot stop the spoilers…has no clue where they are coming from and has to hate. His shows are BS..more people will catch on.

  3. Hi Steve, in all honesty, I will read your blog whether you will give the spoiler or just a simple recap and I will still watch the bachelor whoever they cast, I’m addicted to both your blog and the show, so I’ll say you and MF are neck to neck. I really don’t mind you had the F1 wrong, personally, while I love to read the spoiler so i know who are the key people to focus on, I would prefer you only spoil up to the point who the final two are so we can still have the fun guessing and over analyzing. But as i said, up to you, i know i read your blog in any case.

  4. Yeah…not so much Mike Fleiss but nice try. Sure hope they won’t be making it harder to get your “inside” information Steve. I can’t stand watching the show and not knowing outcome. Can’t happen.

  5. Steve, I like your blog and your opinions and spoilers. You come off really cocky though. What’s the point of making yourself look like one of them? Your record speaks for itself and you have good sources. You’ve pointed out that the show is overproduced and opened some people’s eyes. Calm down a little, tiger.

  6. Who cares what Mike Fleiss has to say? I admit, I used to read RS a lot more back in the day when he lovingly recalled dates between “Febreze” and Jen Schefft during her season. But the past few seasons since he’s had spoilers? Not so much. Here’s why:
    A) Each post begins with the same rants – paragraph after paragraph of “i knew this all along” or “i’m 100% accurate now”. Who cares? Just get to the recap!
    i) calling your readers dumb because they said you had the wrong ending? Maybe once they read the spoilers they didn’t come back, so how would they have known you corrected your final rose?
    B) These ads! The load time on this site is horrendous and the ads are more than annoying. But hey, if you have the traffic why not take advantage, right?

    Yes, I realize if I don’t like it, I don’t have to read the site. I came on because I wanted to read his take on the AFTR – I do enjoy snarky commenting. Its just the constant “see I was right!” shit that is annoying. I guess I’ll just stick to Andy Denhart!

  7. chica54…I think the pics in that article were pre-veneers. Her teeth look lightly different…not completely straight all the way across.

  8. One day, when the show is completely done with, we will find out the sources, I hope ( : Is Mike Fleiss married? Maybe it’s his other half leaking it all! haha. . . or his maid. hmmm

    I can’t wait for the next season to start already!

  9. I’m with jen02 too. The ads on this site and load times are dreadful. And RS is way too cocky and full of himself. As for Brad – what a dip-stick doofus – he & Emily were never able to have a heart to heart conversation – were they?
    I think she is very immature and has no idea what a relationship needs to work. After all, her boyfriend died when she was 19 – and
    she hasn’t lived with anyone or had a relationship since. Has she-? Doesn’t exactly help you in the romance department.
    As far as Brad is concerned, I feel sorry for him that he chose her. She’s a woman who doesn’t know what she wants. Chantal was a better choice for Brad – she is as shallow as he is.

  10. I watch the show AND read the spoilers, as I’m sure most people do. It’s not hurting their ratings, what do they care?

    More importantly, Steve – how did you fail to see the flash of Emily’s a55 when she stepped of the helicopter on their final date on the last episode. I thought if anyone, you would have been the first to catch that. That shirt/dress she was wearing was way too short for the winds down in Africa!

  11. I’ve enjoyed this blog, but am now finding it overly defensive. (The blog is better than the torture of the show, but the tone is losing me). Perhaps step away and live a bit? Life beyond blog and Brad Womack…a good thing.

    We’re all reading, no need to jam it down our throats.

    Peace

  12. I am on a borrowed older computer since mine went kaput and I dont have any trouble at all with this site. I was scratching my head on Fleiss saying it was former contestants – unless they are employed by the show, how in the world would they know anything? Fleiss is reaching.

  13. Agree with some of these people. Steve, don’t lower yourself to the same level of cockiness and douchebagerry as Mike Fleiss. Doesn’t look good and it is completely uncalled for. We are your readers, who always stick by you. Don’t forget. Don’t treat us like you are doing us a favor by spoiling the season. Not necessary. You don’t see other bloggers doing this because they know what’s good for them in terms of respecting their followers.

  14. I have created a Word Press account for the sole reason of responding to this post. First and foremost, the text book definition of “goof ball” is Mike Fleiss. This guy looks like a meth dealing, fake purse selling, Charlie Sheen (minus the career)….20 years from now…or just 20 years more experience dabbling in meth than Charlie Sheen.

    Secondly, I would like to point out that as a woman with one KILLER career that many would classify as a “career woman”, the comments about Ashley H. being a “career woman” is insulting. This is a GIRL – NOT a woman. Put her in the real world and she will have her ass handed to her. If she doesn’t have mommy and daddy or some guy around to support her, she’s the type who will be eaten alive. I would consider Ali, Trista, Meredith, Jen, Jillian, or DeAnna to be “career WOMEN” before I ever even thought about Hebert! What a joke and how insulting to women everywhere – especially ones who did it themselves and never used a man to achieve their success!

    On that note, Steve, thank you for the below comment:

    “Another nice shot he took at the six previous “Bachelorettes” by saying Ashley is the first “career woman” they’ve had. That’s funny. Dude, she’s still in school. Don’t know if we should be calling her a career woman – yet. However, Trista, Meredith, Jen, DeAnna, Jillian, and Ali all thank you for the back handed slap you just gave them. I’m sure they’re thrilled.”

    This to me is a step towards compensating for the slap in the face to women everywhere by Fleiss! THANK YOU!!!!!

  15. There’s something not right about Brad following Emma Roberts’ twitter.

  16. Hey, Steve, you “poked the bear” and MF’er didn’t like it. Obviously you have frustrated him and he’s jealous. He’s such a turd and pond scum..ugh.

  17. Am I the only one scratching my head at Neil Lane and Brad’s “introduction”?

    Neil: “Hi. I’m Neil Lane. Your contractual obligatory product placement. Let’s pick a ring!”
    Toolbag: “Hi I’m Brad. The guy you met 3 years ago but I’m going to shake your hand and pretend I’ve never met you before in my life.”

    Also, love how Emily couldn’t be more fake getting out of bed with a fresh face full of makeup on and Chantal wakes up in a wife beater looking like she’s suffering from a frat party hangover. Ridiculous.

  18. What about the extreme age difference? Holy Jesus – Brad is 14 years older than Emily !! Hello she should not have even been cast for the show-! in the first place.

    About Chantal – have to admit that while she seemed fun-loving, her relationship
    with Brad seemed to lack dimension…she’s
    fresh off a divorce and falling in love with Brad after what…?…two dates…?… Please. No man has to work for her affection–all a guy must do
    is appear interested – I guess-? Most men want more of a challenge…at least in the beginning.
    And Chantal has now moved on from Doofus Brad and has found what she’s “always wanted” ? Please.
    It’s way to soon after having your heart broken to find your true love-!

  19. Steve, I cringed when you proudly stated that a) you don’t know who Michele Bachmann is and 2) you wouldn’t even look her up. This is almost, but not quite, as bad as when you thought the Earth was only 2,000 years old and went on and on wondering about it when you could have done a simple search on the matter. It’s embarrassing, man. I agree with the person who suggested maybe you step back from Bachelor Land and live a little.

    Fleiss is slimy and is obviously just trying to discount how often you’ve been right. But he kind of has a point about your blog and its smug, know-it-all tone that many of your readers have recently pointed out.

  20. Yes, @SunshineSoup, yes. Seriously, Steve. Never make fun of someone else’s education. Ever. You don’t even bother to educate yourself.

    :D Kisses!

  21. Mike Fleiss…is he related to Heidi? They both are smarmy. UGH! Michelle Bachmann is a Congresswoman from Minnesota, a conservative Republican and she gets a lot of airtime. Dude, he’s jack and you are great not to let him get under your skin. Loved your TV thing in Dallas…hope you get to do more of that. You are right on with the career woman thing. Keep spoiling!

  22. Slightly off topic, but reading the interview with Fleiss I thought his answer about having more “diversity” on the show was interesting. He basically said they don’t apply.

  23. Don’t start a semantic argument you can’t win. Concerning your site Fleiss said “he’s right only half of the time.”

    Actually he’s being kind. If you want to be niggardly about it, people only really care that you get the winner right. You spent about 10 weeks “wrong” and two weeks or so “right.”

    You aren’t even right HALF the time. He’s being kind.

    It’s your own fault. You COULD have gotten it right if you’d waited until the end of the season to spoil. But like a jackass you got all cocky in over your head and went all “I’m so arrogant that I’ll spoil everything A to Z before the show even starts blah blah.” Now who’s the jackass.

    I’d say you had a right to go off on Fleiss except you did it to yourself. You’ve very badly damaged your reputation and more important your business by jumping the gun for absolutely ZERO reason and zero gain other than the fact that your ego very badly needs the validation of trying to be the big shot who spoiled everything at the start of the season.

  24. I don’t see any resemblance between RS and Michele Bachmann — for one thing, her activities as a member of Congress have nothing to do with a dating show on TV. M. Fleiss is really stretching things with that comparison, which is not very effective, imo.

    @axotrace, Mike Fleiss is a second cousin of Heidi Fleiss.

  25. Steve: Not that you care but Michelle Bachmann is a congress woman from Minnesota, not familiar with her but Im assuming she doesn’t get her facts straight if that’s what Fleiss is alluding to.

    Some of those comments about that article are pretty hilarious, all calling Fleiss a douche bag and that his comment that Ashley is 1/16 Cherokee is rediculous which is what the film studios said about Val Kilmer when they hired him for Thunderheart when people complained about him being white, it’s the standard go to quote I’m sure when people complain that there’s no ethnicity.

    And your spoilers are coming from former contestants? Seriously, when did they allow former contestants to watch the filming?? Moron.

  26. Yeah, I thought Fleiss’ comment about Ashley H. being 1/16 Cherokee was hilarious! Ridiculous, but entertaining that he even bothered to mention that.

  27. I am totally perplexed by the people on here that insist that Steve is less than 1/2 right? Seriously? The ONE FACT that he got wrong was of course the biggest…which was the FINAL choice. O.K. So what? We all STILL knew before the show aired.

    He’s done his mea culpa. He admitted his information was wrong and corrected it before the finale. What about every other fact that he published? Every date and elimination was correct. So…how many rose ceremonies? And how many did he err on? By my count…NONE.

    And those that begrudge his ads, etc? Get over it. I’m not having to pay for it, and if he’s found someone else willing to do it and allow me my guilty little pleasure…better them than me. His column is the highlight of my Tuesday lunch hour entertainment. Gee..the idea of someone getting compensated…what a concept. I’m sure none of these other sites/bloggers get anything for it. (sarcasm)

    But Steve, can we find a different venue for the next premiere and finale other than Bailey’s? Just NOT a great layout for seating. I’m probably in the minority…I TRY to actually watch the show while enjoying the food and cocktails, and standing for 2 hours is less than desirable!

  28. If Mike Fleiss was talking about this season then YES clearly he was wrong. RS nailed over 99% of the season. BUT how I took his reply was more in general regarding RS overall. Even though the question was directly about Chantal and this season his answer was general and more of his opinion on RS as a person vs his actual facts (which he nails). It was clear the Fleiss is not a fan of RS and it is clear why.

    As for RS, honestly I think that you could eat a slice of humble pie. Even though you are correct in almost ALL of your reporting, it’s your “I got it all together, in your face” attitude and that’s not attractive no matter how accurate you are. I understand that you have repeatedly pointed out that this is a sophomoric blog yada yada yada so you could probably care less of my opinion on how I portray RS online. I am sure from all of your wonderful mentions of your relationship with your nieces/nephews that RS and Steve in Reality are different in the best ways.

    Mike Fleiss isn’t the most honorable kind of guy with all of the negative comments he’s made about the bachelorettes and his overall feelings on if these people actually find love in then end. Which is kinda nasty since it is the theme of the show.

    Bottom line, The Bachelor/Ette franchise is successful and RS’s blog is successful and they both have influenced the success of each.

  29. I agree ^. In the grand scheme of things, RS has spoiled two seasons correctly and two seasons incorrectly (if you just count F1).
    That’s half.

  30. Wow, just read Chris Harrison’s interview that Fassero posted. Seriously, it could have been half the length it was if Chris would have left out all of the “you know”‘s, honestly. It was almost impossible to read. And, I find it funny that he is considering teaching people how to be a journalist. You host a flipping reality show, and you barely have a roll on it to boot. What journalistic insight could you possibly have?
    Anyway, to defend Steve, I love his site, and I think that everyone who says he comes off as too cocky and what-not need to get a life. That is how he chooses to write his blog, and how he will continue to write his blog, and if you have a problem, then you just need to get over yourselves. Seriously.
    And, to all those people that are saying that the ads on here take forever to load, I don’t agree. You either need to get a faster internet connection, or a faster computer, because I have not trouble at all loading this site. Common sense people!
    That’s my two cents worth, if anyone cares to listen.

  31. My bad. First sentence should have read “In case there are still two people left whom think that Chris Harrison is any more than a tool…”

  32. ^ I think you’ve still got that wrong, honey :) Are you trying to say, “Look at this! Chris is a total tool!”?

  33. Stevie, loved you from the ol’ days with Jim Rome.

    But, c’mon. It is obvious to the most casual Bach viewer, me, that you & Mike Fleiss are in cahoots with one another.

    He, or more likely one of his flunkies, gives you tidbits of info to write about. You creatively spin it like you have a million sources.

    Get real.

  34. Steve, feel proud. Fleiss was trying to diss you with the Michelle Bachman comment. But he is the one with egg on his face!! She is a congresswoman from Minnesota who is at the top of her game. People tried to discount what she said as the truth, when in fact after you fact find and research her comments or quotes they have been truthful….and some people just hate that. Be proud that you are in such company:)

  35. jane44 has it. Michele Bachmann has been spot on so far about the Obamunist Administration, just as Reality Steve has been spot on about this show. So Mike Fleiss is not only sleazy; he is also a Commiecrat. Not surprising, really.

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