“Bachelor Pad Finale” Recap – 9/12/11 Including Contestants Speaking out on the Graham/Rego Altercation & Final Thoughts on the Blake/Holly Proposal

September 13th, 2011 | 44 Comments | Posted in Bachelor Pad 2

Your episode-by-episode spoilers for “Bachelor Pad 2″ are in a link at the top of the page, or or click here. You’ve been warned.

For those that follow me on Twitter or Facebook, you’ll know that yesterday morning I appeared on the radio show Kidd Kraddick in the Morning here in Dallas to talk “Bachelor Pad” stuff. Always a good time with that crew and I appreciate them having me on. Their show is streamed live every day, so I actually did two interviews. The one that aired live over the radio, then this video that was done during a commercial break with Kellie Rasberry. Three things about this video you should know:

1) I said during this that last night’s show was going to be 2 hours of the finale, with an hour “reunion” show. Had that part wrong. I actually thought that’s how it was gonna go down until I looked at my DVR and it was only a 1 hour show with 2 hours dedicated to the reunion. Made sense. I should’ve known they couldn’t have pulled 2 hours out of one final challenge, and then Holly and Michael’s decision on who to take to the finals.

2) I honestly had no idea Kellie and I had started the interview when we did, which is why I’m talking about a bunch of stupid sh** and don’t even look ready when the thing begins. I thought it actually started once she started asking me questions about the show. Oops. Good thing I didn’t curse.

3) Thank you for the compliment Kellie. I was kinda caught off guard by it as you could tell. I didn’t know what to say, so, thanks.

A lot to get to before even delving into the finale last night, all of which was already spoiled for you last Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, depending on what part of the country you live in. For the last time to those that are asking, yes, I’m fully aware that People.com and US Weekly and other sites took everything that I wrote and claimed it as their own “sources” when reporting Holly and Blake’s engagement and Holly and Michael winning, but that’s just the way it goes. On shows that are taped in front of a live audience, well, they can get away with it because technically they could have their own sources and usually I’m only beating them to the punch by a matter of hours. It’s ok. However, when dealing with the “Bachelor/ette” series and I start releasing stuff for that, those sites really stand no chance. Tabloids don’t print the spoilers to the show until they are well into the season (stuff like who gets roses, eliminated, final 2, etc) because they want to be in good standing with the show for interviews down the road. That’s why they’ll rarely have anything before me. They just want to dig up dirt on contestants and talk to ex’s, friends, co-workers, etc. I know when I released all the “Bachelor Pad” finale spoilers, and I know when everyone else ran with it. It’s obvious where they got it from, and if they don’t want to credit me, then I think that reflects poorly on them. It is what it is though.

Before I get to the Graham/Rego afterparty altercation, I want to address something that was brought to my attention after what I posted on Friday about Holly and Blake’s engagement. Somehow, I’m getting looped in as being the one who said Blake and Holly got paid 25k for their proposal to be recorded. And gee, you’ll never guess in a million years who ran with that and immediately had words for me: Blake. He took to his FB account and wrote this message:

“All I have to say is that Reality Steve should be called Embellisher Steve. Unfortunately he gets accurate information as far as the show is concerned. He doesn’t, however, get anything right when it comes to individuals lives. Basically, I WISH I was 25,000 dollars richer. Alas, I’m not.”

Huh? Where in the world did that come from? How about actually reading my site before making ridiculous statements like that. I never said they got paid 25k each to have their proposal recorded. Nor did I even insinuate it. You know what’s funny? For someone who complained about being edited so bad, and constantly saying his dealings with Melissa were taken out of context like Blake did all this season, he sure took what I said out of context and jumped to conclusions. At no point did I ever say they were paid. Read what I wrote. I said that the engagement ring he gave her was paid for by Neil Lane. All I said was that Blake was presented with the opportunity to propose to Holly on camera, with basically a “loaner” ring given to her to make it worthwhile. And that’s it. If/When Blake and Holly break up, that is not a ring she will ever be able to keep. It was given to them for show purposes, which is why we saw “Neil Lane” in the box clear as day during the proposal last night. As for the engagement itself, I never said Blake and Holly weren’t an item and hadn’t fallen for each other. Did anyone read anything I wrote the last 3 months? I’ve told you since filming ended that these two were dating and seeing each other. So yeah, they definitely fell hard for each other on the show, and yes, they are engaged and claim to be in love. All I said was insinuating was that their engagement would never have happened that soon if Blake wasn’t given the opportunity by Neil Lane to provide a ring and have it televised. Producers, ABC higher ups, etc I’m sure were all behind it as well. I’m sure Blake was coerced into doing that for the finale. I mean, really? He couldn’t have waited? Even just a day and done it off camera? Makes no sense. More on that later. But hey, at least Blake admits that I’m right about everything else when it comes to the show. Thanks, pal.

As for the Graham/Rego afterparty altercation, let me set the record straight once and for all. It’s ridiculous how people run with rumors with no basis for anything. I’m going to present you with both sides of the information here and let you make your own decision on what went down, because frankly, this thing got way outta control and I feel responsible. On Thursday, people were emailing and asking me on Twitter who Rego got in a “fight” with at the afterparty, because he had tweeted a pic of himself with a black eye. Well, I knew the altercation was with Graham, and that Graham was removed from the event because of it, and that’s what I tweeted. I said “punched” because that’s what I’d heard at the time, but I didn’t know the reason or what caused it. Next thing I know, it’s being reported like a full scale brawl, haymakers flying everywhere, and the whole party came to a crashing halt with people having to break these two up blah blah blah. Totally not the case. Here’s the short version:

Graham and Blake were having words because as we saw last night on the finale, Graham told Blake to his face he wasn’t a fan of his. Things apparently escalated, Rego stepped in, Graham shoved Rego off of him and right into a bouncer, and that’s why Graham was kicked out. It was over and done with at that point, plenty of people weren’t even aware it even happened, and everyone went about their business. Then Rego posted a picture of his black eye on Sept. 8th, the tabloid sites are all over it, Rego tells TMZ that Graham punched him in the face, and that’s where we are.

So since I wasn’t there, and I was the first one to tell people Graham was the one involved, I figured I’d do the next best thing and that’s let people who actually were there tell us what happened and what was said after the fact. Rego has stated his case, so I figured I’d let others who wanted to chime in have their say because they were there. William, Michelle, and Erica all responded to me via email and here’s what they had to say:

From William Holman:

“Hey Steve I just wanted to email you to help clear up a story that recently ran about Justin and Graham. I was outside the club when Graham was kicked out by security and spoke with him to find out what happened. Graham thought he may have hit him but was not sure if he did in fact connect. The next morning quite a few bachelor alum showed up for the Meals on Wheels charity event (which went awesome) and Justin was there. He had no black eye and plenty of photos were taken that day as well as video by ABC to document the event for charity. I spoke with Justin and asked what happened the night before and he told me Graham hadn’t even connected and he was just fine, but he did get a scratch on his nose. He even stated he had no hate towards Graham and hoped everything was fine since were considered a family.

Graham should not have let anything get the best of him especially working for a charity and he is aware of that now. Justin should not talk it up to something its not.

Hope this helps

William Holman
Dysfunctional Bachelor Family”

From Michelle Money:

“I feel really bad that Justin feels like he needs to make up stories just to get attention. To claim that Graham hit him in the face in any way is simply not true. Justin is making claims that he has had to ice his nose because he got hit. Well Justin said directly to William that he didn’t get the scratch on his nose from Graham because no contact was made. On top of this, Justin showed up the next morning to the charity event with no black eye at all (see pics below). This was truly just a heated argument that blew off very quickly. It wasn’t until the completely dishonest tweets and claims came about that everyone realized that this was just some publicity stunt that Justin was trying to play up. It’s very disappointing and hurtful.

In July, while Justin, Kasey and I were getting ready to film the “Men Tell All” episode, Justin was very upset that he had lost his title as the “biggest villain in Bachelor history” to Bentley Williams. He was adamant about getting his title back. It is unfortunate that this is Justin’s motivation in life. I actually thought Justin was a pretty cool guy until he said that. I honestly wish him the best but I will not sit around and allow someone as cruel as Justin try to play up his “villain” title at Grahams expense. The Bachelor franchise is filled with incredible people who are loving and supportive of one another.

Unfortunately there are also a few that are quite the contrary. Maybe Justin just needs a hug!

Just wanted to clear this up. Xoxo

Michelle”

From Erica Rose:

“I was at the club when the incident took place but didn’t directly see everything that happened. When I asked Justin about it right after he said he was fine and had not been hit or injured at all, so he stayed and partied the rest of the night. I also saw him the next morning at a “Meals on Wheels” Bachelor Gives Back volunteer event and he did not have any black eyes or visible injuries. While I’m not an expert on black eyes, I am a law student and I can logically deduce that if Justin had gotten a black eye from a fight the night before, it would’ve been apparent the next morning. So I do not think the “black eye” he tweeted was a result from the club incident with Graham. Case dismissed.

Erica”

So there you have it. Draw your own conclusions. Put it this way, immediately after I tweeted what I did, it didn’t take more than 24 hours for a lot of people to come running to Graham’s defense saying Rego is playing the whole incident up for attention and Graham never punched him. I don’t know, I wasn’t there. However it does seem like something that started out as not a big deal got blown way out of proportion.

44 thoughts on ““Bachelor Pad Finale” Recap – 9/12/11 Including Contestants Speaking out on the Graham/Rego Altercation & Final Thoughts on the Blake/Holly Proposal

  1. Black eye would not show right away. In fact it would be a few days before the colour would show and it would also change in colours. This is how cops (and sorry Erica)lawyers can gauge when the injury happened.

  2. I am totally convinced that Ames is gay and not out of the closet yet. He seemed that way to me on Bachlorette and this bizarre behavior kind of seals the deal for me. Not a big deal, Ames! If you are, no need to hide it or be ashamed…we are in the 21st century! Own it!!

  3. Ames is weird. I like Jackie and she seemed upset, so who knows what went on. As for Ella, I like her, fake boobs or not. She seems like a nice person. Erica is crazy but harmless. Vienna and Kacy, well they are both nuts and need to stay off TV. Holly and Blake make me want to puke! Michael should have punched him and told Holly to kiss off. I mean, if you are in a relationship with someone for two years, engaged, even if you did break up, you should care enough to tell them you are engaged to someone else before it is announced on national TV. Especially when you know your ex still has feelings for you. And Ben being the next Bachelor, BORING YAWN fest. Hope there are some interesting women vying for his attention because he has no personality. As for Graham and Justin, Justin is a jerk, Graham is hott, Graham wins…LOL As always, enjoy your column.

  4. That was one of the best final shows I have ever seen. Since I had not read any of the Spoilers it was all a surprise. If it was scripted who knows but it just seemed like so many people grew up and perhaps they were not as crazy as they appeared, most especially Casey.

    Erica by the way looked beautiful and maybe Melissa is not quite as neurotic as she appeared.

    What I especially liked was seeing the four nicest people in the house end up in the Final Four. It was great seeing Michael be true to his friend and certainly it was a risk because Casey and Vienna would never win and popularity contest. And then to see Holly and Michael win and then share in spite of the Blake issue warmed my heart. I still feel badly for Michael and am not a big Blake fan but if Holly and Blake are happy so be it. Michael will find a true love because he is a super genuine guy.

    Wish he were the next bachelor… because that dorky certainly very unattractive guy they picked will make for a very boring season.

    Again this was a great show.

  5. Thank goodness the train wreck is over! Hopefully Michael will get on with his life and forget all about Holly, she and Blake deserve each other. The look on Vienna’s face was priceless when Kasey and Jake hugged it out. Made her look like a fool, she wanted them to stay mortal enemies. I didn’t really buy Kasey’s tears though, I think he’s just sorry that he looked like such an ass on TV. I do agree about the negativity that he gets from Vienna, those two need to run quickly away from each other. And Graham’s little fit when he thought Michael was not going to take them to the finals? He went all gangsta and said its not about the money, yeah right! Dude’s got a temper issue!

  6. About Ames – are you guys serious?? There’s no mystery here as to why he broke up with her. HE. WASN’T. REALLY. INTO. HER. We’ve all dated people that we liked at first and then, after getting to know them better, decided that we weren’t interested. It’s called DATING. Jesus, it’s not like the guy married her, fathered her kids and left everyone scratching their heads. The dude just lost interest.

    What do you EXPECT him to say without hurting her feelings?? He’s being a gentleman and saying nothing.

    In my opinion, last night only gave more insight to why he left her. That chick is super needy, and definitely not as attractive as a lot of the other girls on the show.

  7. I missed hearing from Gia last night. Either she stayed quiet, or they edited out her comments to Graham about the way that he treated her and then was so outraged that Michael could/would do the same to him. I lost respect for Graham when I saw that tirade, even if he seems like the most together guy ever on the show. And what does this all tell us about the show, for example Michelle Money was a nut job with Brad and then she is the most sane and sincere girl and gets a guy like Graham on Bach Pad??? I also got the same feeling about Kasey, that he is probably not as nutty as he came off on the show(s), but on the other hand, nothing has changed my opinion about Vienna. Did you see her shooting glares at Kasey when he hugged it out with Jake. She is just a self absorbed nut job with no editing needed.

  8. I think it’s hilarious how much RS gets under these contestants’ skin! So much that they tweet about him! Priceless. He’s like “The Great and Powerful Oz” of Reality TV.

    Holly and Blake – PLEASE spare us the pathetic tweets about how ABC editing screwed you?! HELLO???????? This is the Bachelor/Bachelor Pad?! That is what this show lives for? You sign up, you agree to basically ANYTHING. Don’t tell me you both didn’t know that?! Puhleeez..not buying it for one second. We dont care that you two met, fell in love after 5 minutes and want to get married, but for cripes sake – show some class and respect for Michael and wait until after the reunion? All that act showed was that you both are just out for the most publicity and attention you can get, without even a thought as to how it would make Michael feel. Sad and classless.

  9. I personally think Ames thought he might be in the running to be the next Bachelor and didn’t want to appear as though he had a girlfriend. This would explain why he doesn’t have a good explanation. He wouldn’t want to admit that he dumped her in case ABC came knocking!

  10. Did you notice when Blake was asked about his behavior towards Melissa, he completely evaded the question and all responsibility? That’s because he feels none. And he never will.

    Here’s some big words for Blake: egomaniacal, megalomaniac.

  11. I agree with HorriblyAddicted I believe that he thought he might in the running for the Bachelor and wanted to be free from a girlfriend so he would be available.

  12. Graham looks like a tiny Elf and what women see in him as handsome beats me! Totally unattractive with zippo personality. I wish these people would get a life and stay off reality TV…no matter what amount of money they are offered!

    Ella looked much better pre surgical procedures! Looks totally fake.

    Erica looking very attractive…so this is possible after all.

    Michael just needs to man up and move on. He never really had Holly if she was so easily taken by Blake so quickly. He needs to accept that fact. Plus Blake is a heck of a lot better catch in every way: looks, intelligence, stability, earning potential, etc. Blake is very confident in who he is and what he is. Not a whimpy bone in his body. Can see how women are attracted to him. Hope he and Holly make it.

    And lastly, Ben. Totally a snooze fest coming up. Was hoping he’d have done something with that rat’s nest of a hair do, but alas not so. Not handsome at all so we shall see what he chooses…let me guess, she’ll have fake boobs and an airhead personality. Those seem to apply by the dozens.

  13. I don’t want to speak ill of Jackie, and I have no reason to assume her level of intelligence – but perhaps she doesn’t have the “smarts” to keep someone with Ames’ brain power interested. That’s alot of pressure to hold a meaningful conversation if there is a mis-match of intelligence. Maybe Ames just had too much class to say that to everyone, and especially to her.

    My favorite part of the night… When they were announcing each cast member, and the audience would “woo hooo” for each one – and then there were basically *crickets* for Vienna and Kasey – I LOVED THAT. I can’t find one redeeming quality in that woman, and she is the most unattactively person I’ve even seen on that show.

    Gia, as always, looked great.

    Erica – you looked great. You looked like you haven’t injected your lips for a few months – FABULOUS! STOP OVER-PLUMPING and leave them alone. You looked much better than during the show.

    While I realize that the goal of most 20-somethings is to get their 15 minutes of fame, why in the world would any of them complain about how they are portrayed after editing? Seriously? I know you’ve seen the shows, you know what the producers do to storylines – if you’re going to sign up for these train wrecks, stop complaining! Or tell your agent not to set you up for the next reality show.

    Steve – as always, keep up the good work. We enjoy reading your spoilers and snarky comments each week. THANKS

  14. Steve, I totally agree about the “engagement” winning the money for Michael, and that Holly just benefited from it. Not sure Flake is actually that smart tho.

    Hope we never have to watch Jake/Vienna/Kasey again. Please ABC, do NOT subject us to more of their (fake) drama! Hope those two are very happy together and leave the rest of America alone!

    Fleiss and Co should be so proud of how they handled this whole season! I do believe even some of the audience was disgusted by the classless way they treated Michael/Melissa et al!

    Looking forward to the female drama on Ben’s show, and to reading your recaps! I’m sure it will be the most exciting thing about Ben’s season!

  15. The only thing I was interested in finding out last night was what happened between Jackie and Ames. I’ve read all of your speculations above and I can see all your points except the one claiming Jackie is not smart. I think she showed integrity throughout her season with Brad and on Bachelor Pad. I have always thought Ames was a bit weird and didn’t know what she saw in him. Is he gay? A possibility. Was he thinking he would be the next Bachelor? Perhaps, although I’m thankful it wasn’t him because he’s always skeeved me out. Personally I think it has to do with his family. I have a feeling he may have been influenced. And whatever the reason was…he’s a wuss for not telling her the reason. He’s a wuss for not at least breaking up with her without an explanation. And the simple fact that he could not look at her straight in the eye and looked at the floor the whole time, speaks volumes to me. I think the guy’s a mama’s boy. Plain and simple. Jackie is attractive and smart and classy. She can do better.

    And speaking of doing better…Michael…you got lucky. Blake and Holly are made for each other. My opinion of Holly is that she’s too immature to know what she wants and there are better matches out there for Michael. Those little victory dances were a bit of a turn off, but aside from that, I think there are better woman out there for him.

    Now Ben as the Bachelor. Not a yawning situation to me. I think Ben’s got a lot going for him and I find him, not only attractive, but with a brain on his head. And vulnerable. I think vulnerable is attractive. So whatever. I’ve said this every time I post, so I think even I’m ODing on my own words, but I will stick up for the guy when someone disses him.

    I had to FF past all of the “journeys”. I couldn’t watch them then, why would I want to see them again?

    I hope Krienna will be happy. Just wish they’d get the heck out of L.A.

  16. I strongly disagree with whomever said that Jackie was needy. Have you never broken up with someone? She was just hurt and confused by the breakup, plain and simple. She seems like a bright and genuine person and I wish her the best. We can all speculate about why Ames and Jackie broke up, but it’s all speculation. It could have been something as simple (but as important) as them having widely different political views–who knows? Ames seems like a guy who makes decisions with his head, not his heart, which isn’t all bad. So I guess we have to let it be. So sorry this one didn’t work out. They seemed like a great couple!

  17. I couldn’t help but notice how Jake had to get his last digs in at Vienna, accusing her of profiting off the break-up–all after his so-called public ‘apology’. If he truly was sorry, he would have shut his mouth and let it go. Every accusation that comes out of that guy’s mouth is 100% projection. You can know exactly what his own motives are by what he accuses others of doing.

  18. And for the life of me, I can’t figure out what all the male hype about Holly is all about. Perhaps some of you men can fill us in? She’s pretty enough, but no prettier than the others. If anything, it’s proof that even some educated men are not attracted to intelligence (not all men, but definitely many of the ones on this show!) Personally, I think it was the thrill of the chase. Hide and watch when all the publicity dies down and Blake and Holly are no longer in the limelight. She will cease to be attractive to him. JMO.

  19. I know many people love Gia and think she is stunning, which she is, but whenever she opens her mouth and talks, all I can hear is Barbra Walters aka Babwa Wawa.

    Am I the only one?

  20. Comment on Kasey & Vienna connection, I always told my son growing up, there is a lid for every pot. If you look long and hard enough, you will find that perfect fit lid. That is what they are, a good fit for each other. It doesn’t make sense to anyone else, but think about some previous bachelor/bachelorette final picks that didn’t make sense to us either. I was glad Michael won the money, but not Holly, she played him all along to win the money, then blindsided him at the last minute w/the engagement news. I wish Michael had said Keep for his decision. I was sorry for Graham & Michelle though. RS always does a good job with the spoilers, makes it worth while watching. Ben as next bachelor, ugh gag.

  21. Wisewords, Sorry, I don’t buy that Gia has that New York accent. She just doesn’t open her mouth and “speak correctly”. I kept thinking about JP the whole time he was on Ashley’s season…how wonderful it was that he didn’t speak with that “annoying” New Yaaaaawk accent. I never could see what all the fuss was about Gia…same with Ben…just ordinary looking in my opinion.

  22. I thought this was an interesting interview with Michael:

    http://www.wetpaint.com/the-bachelorette/articles/michael-stagliano-on-exfiancee-holly-durst-it-was-really-shtty-what-she-did

    He claims that Holly led him on a lot more than was shown on TV (kissing and talking about getting together after the show), and that Blake told him he was taking Holly on the ski date just for strategy and that he would be “respectful”, and that they shook hands over it. He also wasn’t buying their “we tried to call you” excuse about the engagement.

    And then here he said what I’ve been thinking the whole time but I haven’t heard anyone else say because these people act like they don’t live in the real world:

    “Again, I don’t know fully the relationship. I’m sure they’re great and she’s obviously very in love and I really do hope it works out, but I think it’s tough. I think she’s going down a tough road. She’s removed herself from everyone she knows and loves out here and from her job and doesn’t have a job out there and is moving in with him, a dude she’s only known for two or three months. So, yeah, I think that just sounds tough.”

  23. The Jackie/Ames thing is pretty obvious to me. Ames saw Jackie’s attractive classy poised fun smart stay-out-of-the-drama side on Bach Pad, then he saw her gossipy bitchy classless mean-girl side during their whirlwind romance post Bach Pad. If you recall, Jackie’s leading the anti-Michelle tirade in Brad’s 2nd season’s WTA is the side of her we didn’t see during Bach Pad. Ames is too classy to speak negatively of Jackie on air, and too non-confrontational to tell Jackie in private his reasons for leaving her. I think if it were just different political views, he would have just told her so and said as much on air, since that wouldn’t be casting Jackie in a negative light. So it had to be something he thought to be in poor taste in Jackie’s character.

  24. While I (along with half of America) was hoping that Michael would choose “Keep”, as his thank you to the backstabbing and manipulations of Holly and Blake, I knew he wouldn’t do it. Girls, let Michael be a lesson to you… if you go out with a “good guy” he’s gonna treat you right, even when you don’t deserve it. Bad guys might be more exciting in theory, but good guys have class and Michael stuck up for his teammate to the bitter end, even when he cost himself money no one would have faulted him for keeping.

  25. The whole “Keep” and “Share” thing needs to change. After being partners throughout the game, most people are going to choose share. Chances that both players will choose KEEP are slim to none, so the outed BP contestants really have no shot at winning any of the money. Instead, the producers should change it to “his name”, “her name” and “Share” and let the other contestants vote on who they believe should win or share AFTER they’ve voted on who the final two would be. Michael deserved to win the whole $250K, Holly wouldn’t have gotten a vote without him and that would have not only been more fair, but more interesting tv!

  26. Wisewords, I agree with your assessment of Blake. He claims to be all upset they didn’t tell Michael before the show, but yet when they panned to his face several times when Michael was finding out, he always had this annoying smirk on his face, as if he was glad he “won”. Or maybe that look is just natural for him, as I’ve seen it many times during BP and Bachelorette. He seems smarmy.

  27. I don’t think people are being fair in their assessments of Ames. I don’t think the guy is gay, I think he’s shown nothing but maturity and class, even when he walked away without a rose. He couldn’t look at Jackie, IMO, because he didn’t want to see the hurt on her face and had trouble saying, “I got to know you post-show and found out I’m really not into you.” They both seem like good people but she was not what he wanted for forever and he ended the relationship rather than string her along. Especially if she was really falling for him, I think he did the right thing by her. And not looking at her tells me that he does care about her feelings and didn’t want to hurt her. I say he’s a good guy, same as Michael.

  28. wisewords- the “male hype” about Holly (from a male): i’ve commented in another post but will repeat it here, it comes down to personality. all the things Blake listed during his time in the hot seat is what makes her attractive. of course, i dont speak for ALL men, but it definitely would appeal to most. He said that Holly is fun, outgoing, and i forget what else, but those are the things i thought when my wife first asked me why guys are so into Holly, cuz she’s definitely not the hottest or best looking one in the house. she’s also flirty (as she self proclaimed), and that adds to it. a girl who is flirting with you, gives you attention. as a guy, it strokes your ego. guys like having their ego stroked.

    so there you go.

  29. @ locondcoco, that’s interesting, because to me those sound like qualities that would make a woman attractive for a short-term relationship or hookup, but not for a long-term relationship or marriage.

    Am I just being naive in thinking that for LONG term relationships, most men value loyalty, compassion, ability to compromise, etc?

  30. @bupkiss – Holly/Blake do appear to be more Lust than Love so far. Just like Jackie/Ames, they went hot and heavy and fast. It may turn into love down the road, who knows. But most men I know don’t see a group of women and go for the one who appears to have “the ability to compromise” LOL. The qualities you mention are ones that avail themselves over time & exposure.

    Having said that, I’d argue that Holly appears to be very loyal, compassionate, level-headed, drama-free, and compromising toward Michael, at least as a game-show partner, and even as an ex-fiancee. Her one-on-one convos with Michael about their relationship were probably the most real, mature, frank, and respectful conversations I’ve ever seen on reality TV. She sacrificed Blake for the sake of her partnership with Michael. Even Michael said Holly deserved her share of the money because she made an excellent partner & he could count on her completely.

    And I don’t think the world of men think Holly is All That. I’m sure she gets her fair share of admirers, but I think so do all the others females on Bach Pad. Even Vienna had 2 men on Bach Pad who were into her. The Bach Pad women are each very attractive women in their own unique ways. If anyone gets an unequal share of admiration, it’d be Gia. Judging from blogs and comments throughout the internet, it’s Gia who’d win the ultimate rose.

  31. Even without RS spoilers this show is totally predictable and boring. I did not watch one epi start to finish this season. Next season they need to mix it up. Anyone with half a brain could come up with better ideas. Like, how about instead of them choosing their own couples, instead competitions dictate couples week to week. I would even like to see girls vs. guys.

  32. Wisewords, Yes I am not at all trying to be disrespectful of a New York accent of any kind. I just thought she sound like she had a lateral lisp or something which made it hard for her to pronounce her “r”s. It sounds like Barbara Walters to me. For me voices can ruin someone’s attractiveness. The best example I can think of is David Beckham.

  33. locondcoco, he said Holly is fun, outgoing, easy to be around, makes him feel like a better person, uplifting. Said she’s everything he’s been looking for in someone, from her personality to the way she handles situations, her intelligence, her drive, her compassion. I guess I can see guys eating those qualities up…

  34. I rarely get this angry or judgmental over a person on the whole Bachelor/Bachelorette/Bachelor Pad franchise, but to me Blake is the slimiest, opportunistic, parasitic vulture I’ve ever seen. He pulled a complete robbery on Michael Stagliano and swooped in and stole his woman, all while playing another girl (Melissa). What a piece of shit for a human being. He knew very well that Holly was at an extremely vulnerable point in her life, and like the vulture he is, saw an opportunity. Holly isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, and I think Blake took full advantage of it. Stag is a better man than myself because if it was me in his shoes, Blake would have to eat through a straw for months.

  35. Blake has stated earlier that the show actually was an 8 hour taping and the looks and glances of the cast on stage could have been inserted at different times than those that were actually shown at the time of conversations. So not putting too much stock on the facial expressions at a given moment as they could have been in place at a different time during the 8 hours.

    Holly is a drama free person and easy to get alone with. She was respectful to Michael (could have been a bit firmer in letting him know she was not gonna take up with him again) but was treading carefully so as not to hurt him. By not being firmer, I believe she hurt him more…letting him think there was a chance. It was a done deal with Blake the second they both laid eyes on each other the first night. Both admitted the instant attraction. So here’s hoping it works for them…and they stay clear of any reality shows by Feiss and company who seem to take great joy in tromping on people’s emotions.

    Yes, Blake was dead wrong with his Melissa dealings and didn’t believe that the night of kisses would evolve in her totally falling for him. Maybe she needs to be a little bit more careful believing everything a man says to her in the moment of alcohol fueled passion. Wonder if he did approach her during the after party and say he was sorry. I think that would be the thing to do at this point…if she would indeed be receptive to his apologies.

    By the way Melissa looked very attractive as did Erica. In fact, all the women looked great.

    Wish Ames had been more forthright with Jackie. Me thinks he wanted to be Bachelor and needed to be free to do so. Could be someone from the show gave him the impression he was a strong candidate. Who knows. Jackie say she was completely blindsided. Could have been a lack of sexual compability…assuming there was sex involved with those two. Maybe Jackie came on too strong and Ames has been so tepid in his behavior toward Ashley, could have been the same with Jackie. So many thoughts on their breakup happening so fast.

  36. Whoa, AJ13, take it easy! Wow, you certainly are hard on someone that you don’t even know. Remember, this show is edited to make some look good, some not so good, and some downright eveil. I have a feeling that Blake got a totally bad edit and was make to look like the evil one. I certainly don’t appreciate Blake for what he did, but you are taking things just a bit too far. Chill!

  37. Poor thing Holly, thought her golddigger days were over, and that she hit the jackpot with Blake.. unfortunately, homeboy had a different plan when he got her that loaner ring from Neil Lane. Ohh well, they claim its true love, so be it. I truly love when people give me the slightest bit of attention too by the way, and its even better when its on TV..right? lol If that engagement wasn’t totally staged, I don’t know what is. Seriously though, she feels bad for Michael.. seriously? I highly doubt it. I’m sure she could have found a way to tell him, considering the whole proposal was well planned out in advance for the cameras. But really, I don’t think that mess deserves to be with either of the guys. Cant be all bitter towards Holly though, because..Michael why didn’t you choose keep?! Why! That dumbass does not deserve any of the money, stoopid! Figure it out. Gotta love “reality” TV.

  38. { Steve said: Either something went down that we don’t know about between Ames and Jackie, or that was just the oddest break up ever. We’re a month removed from it and Ames still really hasn’t given anyone a clear answer as to what it was other than he and Jackie are “different.” Sh**, every couple is “different’ in some aspects. Ames continues to be an enigma that I don’t think any of us will ever understand. }

    Are you kidding me?!!! What don’t you understand about Ames? It’s really simple: Ames is gay. He left Jackie because she is a woman, it’s as simple as that. He better just come out of the closet (and admit it to himself first). He’ll be relieved and be able to finally be happy.

  39. “Peawry, Gia is from New York City–thus the New York accent”

    No way, Wisewords. No way. I’m a native NYer and while I may have a “NY” accent…I don’t say dawg or goil or toity toid and toid, and I don’t speak like Gia. Gia has a speech impediment. I’m not sure what the clinical term is, but it sure as heck is not called a NY accent. She may have that as well, but there’s a speech impediment there too.

  40. Forgive me if this has been pointed out, but if Holly was covering up her left hand when she sat down, that sure makes it seem like she was complying with an arrangement made with the producers, and knew exactly how events were intended to unfold.

    That said, I can’t bring myself to condemn her too harshly, because she’s not exactly the crispiest fry in the bag.

    If Blake is capable of being so cavalier with the feelings of Melissa, the bird with the broken wing, what can Holly expect?

    As they say in South Carolina, “bless her heart.”

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