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The Bachelor 17 - Sean

“Women Tell All” Recap Including The Letter, Who’s the Bachelorette, & a Fun Trivia Game for Fans to Play

Quite a few things to get to before today’s recap, and I use the word “recap” lightly because as is the case every season, the “Tell All” episode isn’t a regular long recap. There just isn’t enough material to work with since it’s mostly a recap show and hearing the women say stuff we’ve already heard them say on the show or in their exit interviews already. So the last two columns of every season (the “Tell All” and the finale), aren’t normal recaps where I break down the episode in real time. It’s more or less my overall thoughts on the show. However this week, there’s A LOT of news and information to get to before we even get to that portion of the recap, all of which I’m sure you’ll be interested in, including a fun new game for you to play to test your “Bachelor” franchise knowledge that I created. I’ll talk about that on the next page.

First off, gotta start with the news that most of you are most certainly interested in, and that’s who the next “Bachelorette” is. At this point, it doesn’t seem like much of a secret anymore as “E! News” broke it on Friday that the deal was 99% done to being finalized. Well, it is. Desiree is your next “Bachelorette.” She will be announced next Monday during the live ATFR show after the 2-hour finale airs, and she begins filming Sunday night, March 17th. I’m getting more guys confirmed for her season as we speak and will be releasing some of them probably next week so you will be the first to see which guy will possibly be her future ex-fiance. Good times. The announcement of Desiree being the next “Bachelorette” has me on the edge of my seat waiting in anticipation for one thing – the return of Nathaniel Hartsock to my television screen. Sure, we won’t see her brother until her finale when the family flies to wherever the final rose ceremony location is, but man, what an anticipated return to TV that’ll be. You think they won’t have him locked and loaded ready to come all guns blazing on whatever two guys make the finals? I don’t think I’ve been this excited about someone’s return to television since, well, ever. Holla!

As for the disclaimer I give every season regarding fan reaction to the announcement of who the new lead is gonna be, save your emails. I don’t care who/why you think someone else is better than Desiree, and you’re not gonna watch anymore, and why don’t they cast fresh faces, blah blah blah. Same thing every season. You don’t like the lead, then don’t watch. Don’t tell me about it, since I’m not the one who cast her. I’m perfectly fine with Desiree as the lead, and pretty much assumed it’d be her once I found out that Lindsay was out of the running. Still don’t know the reason behind it, but whatever the case, Desiree is your “Bachelorette” and no matter how much whining and crying and bitching anyone does, it’s not gonna change anything. You’ll still watch, you’ll still talk and tweet about it, and that’s all they care about. You can make a case for about 4 girls this season that could’ve been the “Bachelorette” but they can only choose one. They chose Desiree. Deal with it, and lets move on.

In case you missed it, revealed today that the person who wrote the letter Sean receives at the final rose ceremony is Catherine. I haven’t been told who wrote the letter, but it certainly makes sense it would be her. I never thought it was the mother, nor did I think it was AshLee since she doesn’t make an appearance in the finale, and a letter just wouldn’t make sense for her. It was really only between Catherine and Lindsay, and Catherine seemed to make the most sense. I guess we’ll find out next Monday, but I’m pretty sure that report from WetPaint is accurate. I’d be shocked if it wasn’t Catherine’s letter.

Also, in horrible, tragic, earth shattering news that broke on Friday, Selma and Arie decided to end their 2 week long “relationship.” Man, if these two can’t make it, how is there any hope for the rest of us? So in the last four months, Arie has had a fling with Courtney, one week after her year long engagement to Ben ended, and had a two week “relationship” with Selma, that started while she was still on the show. Nice. I wonder who is next on his list. I just let Arie’s actions since the “Bachelorette” ended speak for themselves and back up everything I had told you about the guy during his season. He’s done nothing to disprove the image I gave you. Not one single thing. Hey, when you’re right, you’re right, and I really appreciate Arie and his efforts to follow through on everything I said about him. Good man.

Chris Harrison did his conference call with the media last week setting up the finale and talked about the season in general. Kind of like the “State of the Union” he gives for every season right before the finale, but after he tapes the “Women Tell All.” Nothing too crazy in this interview (there are two parts so click the link once you get to the bottom of the interview), but I did find this most interesting:

When I talked to AshLee Frazier earlier this season when she was still in the running with Desiree Hartsock, she said she wasn’t sure the girls remaining were ready for marriage, a it’s become obvious that AshLee was on a different, more mature level than the other girls. Do you think that Lindsay and Catherine really were ready for marriage, particularly with Catherine whom we’ve seen Sean have concerns about how she had plans to move to New York and pursue career goals?

Chris Harrison: I mean, I don’t know if I’m qualified to say, you know, if they’re ready or not. I know you know I definitely think AshLee was. And when I look at that last Rose Ceremony, there was definitely, you know, that old — was it Sesame Street, one of these is not like the other? You know, you could definitely tell she was a standout.

And just what I mean by that is she was a little older, a little more mature, and I think it’s what Sean probably aspires to have someday, and then I think at the end, he realized he’s not quite there yet. You know, I think he would have to come up to her level, whereas with Catherine and Lindsay, I feel like they’re all on the same level, where they are in their life.

They’re a little bit more youthful and just — they are just kind of, I don’t know. It’s a little bit more relaxed when you see them together. They laugh a little bit more at practical jokes and all that. So I think those three are definitely at the same place in life.

And I think it would have been tough for him to make that leap into where AshLee is. So are they all ready for marriage? I don’t know. I really don’t. I hope if that’s the path any of them choose, they’re ready. But you know, we’ll see.

That answer sounded to me like, “AshLee is at a point in her life where she’s ready to get married now, and I don’t think Sean, nor Catherine, nor Lindsay really are.” I mean, he specifically said, “he realized he’s not quite there yet.” Not quite where? To get married? Then why is he engaged? I think Sean and Catherine will take these next few months together to be that engaged couple from TV, Sean will do DWTS, they will do the talk show rounds and the whole couple thing with media tours and the like, and then when that wears off, I think it will end. As I’ve said all season long, I just don’t see it between these two as a married couple. I’m sure they enjoy spending time together, having fun, laughing, giggling, etc. I just think these are just two completely different people in terms of their lifestyles and I just don’t see it being a long term fit. She’s his girlfriend now, nothing more, and they will eventually break up.

In fact, I think I give Julie from “Burning Love” more of a chance with whoever she chooses. Since I posted so early on Thursday before I left, I never got a chance to embed that day’s episode. So here are Episodes 6 & 7 of “Burning Love.” Awesome. For those who missed season 1, the only way you can watch it is on the E! channel on Monday nights. It’s no longer online. Enjoy:

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  1. goosiegirl

    March 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    @BFW and liz123, I totally agree! and while we are at it, can we add Rob22 to that list? Just the ignorance that exudes from comments that people feel are okay to post is appalling.

  2. liz123

    March 6, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    I’m all for adding Rob to the list! What is his deal with hating on Asian women? It’s rude & sickening & ignorant. Seriously, EVERY Asian woman is a *hore? Come on, now. Nobody is dumb enough to think that, but apparently Rob really does. Don’t people realize that when they show how bigoted they are, they show themselves as being of a lower class? that’s why I try to just ignore him, but it gets old.

  3. goosiegirl

    March 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    I think a lot of people feel that it is okay to be bigoted, just as long as they are not bigoted in public, with their real face representing them. They feel it is ok to hide behind a screen name and post whatever blather they want, no matter how ignorant, because to them, it is all about the consequences, and online, there are few.

  4. velatria

    March 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM


    I can only speak for myself.

    I don’t think trying to fight for your right here online is healthy at all. You attempted so many times, but did you get any result? I don’t think so… Instead, I think they were toying with your feeling to get more out of you. Your reaction? Upset. And they are enjoying that. You can only tell them once or twice, but for bigoted people who refuse to listen to reason, your attempt is futile. Not worth my time if I were in your shoes.

  5. liz123

    March 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    I understand what you’re saying to an extent, velatria, but if someone was bigoted toward something or someone who was near & dear to your heart, can you not understand how it would be hard to let it go & stand by in silence? Silence is just another way of saying it’s okay. I understand why goosiegirl has said what she’s said. Now, yes, it is pretty obvious that Rob has enjoyed getting a rise out of her & isn’t going to back down from or apologize for his remarks, so the only thing she can do at this point is let him continue to be the bigoted idiot he is & ignore, but I don’t agree with you that just because you can’t get someone to change their mind about racism (or get “a result” as you call it), means that you should let racism pass without speaking up.

  6. velatria

    March 6, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    You’re right about that Liz, and I respect your opinion. Yes, I would speak up. I tried to “speak up” and defended a loved being harassed because he’s gay. They called him words that are appalling I cried so many times. But I realized that i can’t change these bigoted ignorant people’s mindset, I changed.

    I go by this saying for my peace of mind and from many heartaches: ” I may not be able to control what’s going around me, but I can control how I react to it.”

    So for me, from here on…… I will ignore, ignore, ignore these type of people.

    Thank you Liz. 🙂

  7. velatria

    March 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    **so I changed.

  8. goosiegirl

    March 6, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Sometimes, it is not the result of changing the mind of the offending person that matters. Sometimes, it is just revealing that bigoted comments are wrong, so that others who may be on the fence may think about it and decide for themselves. I know there are those out there who think it is pointless, or feel annoyed, that this is a site for entertainment purposes, but why should some people be offended so others can be entertained?

  9. goosiegirl

    March 6, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Also, I have chosen to ignore the offending party, as well as others who seem to agree with the offending party. But I don’t see the point of staying silent, because if everyone did, bigotry wins.

  10. celebritygirltalker

    March 6, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    I just want to make the comment that it’s funny to me that people think any bachelor really wants to settle down. What they want is to kick start their showbiz career. That’s why so many of them seem to choose ambitious girls over the ones we all think they should marry. To this guy’s mind, Catherine is just like him – about to use the show to propel their careers — why wouldn’t he want someone like he is? Anyway, it is always funny to me that anyone on this show pretends to be anything else except someone looking for a job in the biz.

  11. velatria

    March 6, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Goosiegirl, I applaud you for your strong conviction. Maybe I need to start growing thick skin and start all over again. Maybe . 🙂

  12. goosiegirl

    March 7, 2013 at 4:07 AM

    Velatria, there is nothing wrong with growing a thicker skin for something you believe something is right =)

  13. goosiegirl

    March 7, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    *for something you believe is right

  14. mommyof2

    March 7, 2013 at 6:28 AM

    Wow! There are a lot of Ashlee haters on here. I agree that her confronting Sean didn’t look good for her, and killed her chances for being the next bachelorette, if there ever was a chance considering how popular Desiree is, who has a lot of fans (including me). But, at the same time, not everyone has to be the giggly, fun-loving girl that is spontaneous and silly all the time (like Lindsay and catherine). Ashlee’s personality is more serious, partly due to her experiences as a child, and partly due to her maturity as an adult. She definitely wouldn’t be as fun to watch as The Bachelorette due to this, but I respect her for being her and for calling Sean out if he really said the things that she claims. As far as those things, none of us know for sure WHAT was said in the fantasy suite. I believe Sean has integrity and that he’s an honest man. Thus, my belief (and this is pure speculation) is that he did say some things to assure Ashlee of his feelings for her, probably something to the effect of that his relationship with her is on a deeper level than what it is with the other women. That doesn’t mean he “loves” her or doesn’t love one of the others, but maybe they could talk about more serious stuff. I think Ashlee believes he said the things she claims, but obviously she took it to mean something completely different than what he meant. I don’t believe either one of them remember exact words that were said (remember, they were drinking wine and who-knows-what-else or how much), but obviously there’s a difference in perspective. Thus, I don’t fault either one. Let’s move on, and give them both a break here!

  15. liz123

    March 7, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    I agree with you, mommyof2. I think that Sean did say things that AshLee probably interpreted as meaning he didn’t love the other 2 like he loved her. I think in Sean’s mind, though, he didn’t say anything near that, but instead said ambiguous things to reassure her. It’s pretty obvious that whatever he did say was left open to interpretation & AshLee interpreted it to believe what she wanted to believe. I don’t think either of them were lying. They just misunderstood each other.

  16. mommyof2

    March 9, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    @Liz123. Exactly! You said it much more to the point than I did! 🙂

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