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The Bachelorette 10 - Andi

“Bachelor in Paradise” News, Next “Bachelor” Info, and Social Media Does it Again

So a few little fun things for you to chew on. Do with it what you want, but just thought I’d share it with you. Let me first start out by saying I’ve never been on Snapchat, nor will I ever be on Snapchat because I’m not a 13 year old girl. I think I have an idea of how it works, but not all that well, so I had to have someone explain to me. For this particular instance, if you have a Snapchat account, and someone that you Snapchat with clicks on your name, they can see your three “favorites,” meaning the three people you Snapchat with the most. A week after Andi’s filming ended (so the week of May 12th), I received two emails from people who are friends with Josh on Snapchat. Two different people took two different screenshots of who was in Josh’s “favorites”:


“Scoopitson” is Josh’s Snapchat account name, which I’m sure now will be flooded with requests from strangers (Sorry Josh). And “AndiDorfman” is Andi’s Snapchat account. Verified 100%. By the way, a quick Google search shows Josh’s mom’s maiden name is Lauren Goodhart and there are 5 total in the Murray family, so my guess is “LG5” is his mom. I know, really took some serious detective work to figure that one out. Can’t imagine why Andi and Josh would possibly be snapchatting each other the week after they’re back from the Dominican Republic, can you?

As of this past Saturday, here’s what Josh’s “favorite” list looked like:


Guess someone must have tipped him off like, “Hey dum dum, Andi is in your list of favorites and anyone that’s friends with you can see it.” Oops.

Also, wanted to share this. The Nick videos that I posted on May 19th were from a flight he was on from Charlotte to Milwaukee on Sunday night, May 11th, two days after the final rose ceremony. These pictures are of Josh in the customs line at the Miami airport on Monday, May 12th returning home from the Dominican Republic – three days after the final rose ceremony. He was on American Airlines flight 2468 from Punta Cana, DR departing at 1:25pm and arriving in Miami at 4:10pm.


Gotta give Josh some credit. At least he wears normal clothing when returning home from filming and not those awful blue capri’s Nick was in. Now, I know there’s no time stamp on these pictures to show proof these were taken on that Monday the 12th, but lets just say I trust my sources on this one. If you honestly think I just make things up for the sake of making them up, then I don’t know what to tell you. Can’t imagine why Josh would be arriving home from the Dominican Republic a day after Nick did, can you?

So like I said, do with this info what you want. Just keep in mind, before all this info came to me (the Nick videos, the Josh Snapchat, the Josh Miami airport pictures), I already knew that Josh and Andi were engaged. But for the first time ever, I can actually show you guys some stuff I was given after the fact. The last thing I’m worried about is being wrong this season. My focus has already moved on to getting you “Bachelor in Paradise” spoilers and casting for the next “Bachelor,” which I’m already compiling my list of contestants. Not to mention, I’m pretty sure I already know where the final rose ceremony is next season. Want to get that 100% confirmed, but I’m pretty sure what I’ve been told is accurate. This season’s spoilers are over and done with for me. I know things and have been told things nobody else has, so it’s pointless to deal in speculation and rumor when I know it’s not coming from a place of what I was told. Nothing Andi writes in a blog, or something that’s tweeted, or anything I see in the edit of these episodes can change what happened on May 9th which is when Josh and Andi got engaged. Enjoy the rest of the season.

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  1. purplesunsets

    June 10, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Wow those are interesting tidbits. Juicy. I don’t use snapchat no idea how it works but I imagine its like most social media. I wonder who the other girl in the faves is,That pic of Josh is really clear whoever took it was pretty near. Oh does anyone have another link for the deleted scenes? Intl can’t view it. Thanks!

  2. realdeal

    June 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    First, I do not get what Andi or other women see in Nick. He looks like John Lithgow. If you do a google search of images of John Lithgow and find younger photos of the actor, Nick looks just like him.

    Second, Nick is not playing “fair” in earning the legitimate time to spend with Andi. He is not playing by the gentleman’s agreement or unwritten rules that it seems like the guys all had agreed upon. In a self-serving and sneaky way, Nick gets unofficial date time with Andi by sending her a bouquet of flowers at the expense of interrupting and disrupting Eric’s time with Andi, buys Champange and strawberries and gets a mini-date out of that, etc. Distracting Andi with gifts is an under-handed strategy to get a rose and advance to the next set of dates. But Nick is an opportunist and he admitted that in last night’s episode.

    The guys were probably already getting sick of Nick playing the role of Andi’s teacher’s pet. When he was the first to steal Andi away to console her, he feels entitled to it, which finally pisses the guys off in such a way that they verbalize it and confront him. Why didn’t any of the other guys talk to her? Well, the guys probably wanted to let Andi cool off and then all be able to talk to her when she came back to the cocktail party, but instead Nick rushed to take her aside for private time. Don’t blame the guys for feeling disgruntled.

    I don’t buy the whole skepticism act that he puts on in the previous episodes either. Why did Nick bother going on the show in the first place then if he was such a skeptic about the Bachelorette dating process? Seems like he’s playing the skeptic act to win fans and try and become the next Bachelor, which won’t happen. He should just go back to eating Cheetos.

  3. smithyeni

    June 10, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Steve, what is the “devastating news” that happens next episode??

  4. iheartvino

    June 10, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    One of my stepdaughers is obsessed with SnapChat. If you’re unfamiliar with it, next time you’re out at a restaurant or somewhere and you see a teenage girl hold her phone out and take a selfie while making a goofy face, you can bet she’s sending someone a SnapChat.

    realedeal, hmmm, I’ve never noticed the Nick and younger John Lithgow comparison. I think Nick looks much more like Spencer Pratt. Now NBA coach George Karl? There’s someone that looks just like John Lithgow, in my opinion.

  5. rob22

    June 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    RealDeal: I think you are right if we were dealing with a real world situation, if it’s even possible that there would be a real world scenario where a dozen guys were dating one girl. But, in The Bachelor world, the producers tell contestants to “go console Andi” or “go steal Andi away from the person she’s with and tell her you love her”. So, most likely, Nick was prompted to go console Andi. “Uh, hey Nick…. Andi needs some consoling…. you’re one of her favorites, so it should be you…” Nick: “uh, Ok, yeah, I should do that”…. then the producer sidles up to the other guys and says “uh, wow, can you imagine the stones Nick must have to use Eric’s leaving as an excuse to get alone time with Andi!” …. Other guys: “gee, Nick is really hosing us here. What a tool!”. Producer: “uh, you guys should reall confront Nick with this when he gets back”. Other guys: ” Yeah, get us some more shots so we can get ready. Boy, that Nick is really going to go on the carpet for this one”. So, is that Nick’s fault, behond the fact that he fell for it?

  6. realdeal

    June 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    Nick is a “grown ass” man who admitted that he “seized the opportunity to comfort her.” Doubt he needed any producers to prompt him to go do that. Nick has fawned over Andi by giving her flowers and champagne without prodding from producers, and based on that, Nick taking advantage of the situation to get more one-on-one time with Andi is consistent with being self-serving, selfish, and a sense of entitlement.

    Josh said in that episode that he would have gotten her and taken her to where all the guys were on the couch and had allowed the all the guys as a group to console her. I have new respect for Josh because I was expecting Josh to do what Nick did and take advantage of the situation. But Josh did not and was respectful to the other guys. It is highly doubtful that the guys needed alcohol to “get up the courage” to confront Nick on it because they don’t seem to be the type to be afraid of someone like Nick. Got to hand it to Josh, Tasos, Cody, and Andrew for calling Nick out on it.

  7. angelfish

    June 10, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    I thought Nick came off very smug to the guys when Andi went off for her deliberation. His smirk was very prominent. I have no doubt his pursuit of her was producer-inspired.

    I personally would have been irritated if somebody came up to me right after a scene like Andi’s with Eric. Nick was lucky Andi handled it with good grace, though her expression and words were clear that she did NOT want to talk about that conversation with Eric. I thought Nick came off as presumptuous and self-serving.

    I agree, realdeal, Josh & the other guys were being respectful of Andi and giving her time to get it together. None of them know her well enough yet to know how to “console” her. Some women shrug off stuff like that, some want to curl up in a ball, some want to scream. No way they knew what to do for her.

    I haven’t liked Nick thus far, and this just cemented my dislike.

    I have strangely really warmed up to Cody. Not for Andi, but he’s less of a lunkhead than he appeared to be at the beginning.

  8. purplesunsets

    June 10, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    Reading the comments on Nick I gotta agree. There’s something about him thats off for me and even with ppl seeming to like him and him being chummy off show with other guys. Don’t know if this is his edit or what but that smugness really shows. I think this is his strategy though.

    Side note,seems your snap chat screen shots have been popular I’ve been seeing comments asking Josh who gritty baby on his list was and why it had more than Andi (not sure what that means). Hmm. Wonder if ABC will see those too.

  9. purplesunsets

    June 10, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    Damn auto correct.. Britty baby I mean.

  10. bigfatwoman

    June 10, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    As far as I’m concerned, it’s hard to know if anyone’s intentions or actions are for real on this show. These men are really just actors with no experience — instructed where to go and what topic to cover.

    It seems like a waste of time to dissect their movements and the meaning behind them.

    Haha, yes! Nick does look like Spencer Pratt.

  11. angelfish

    June 11, 2014 at 5:33 AM

    Looks like Britty Baby is Josh’s ex girlfriend, Brittany McCord, whom he’s still friends with.

  12. purplesunsets

    June 11, 2014 at 7:07 AM

    Oooh does snap chat work
    Like IG that you can search usernames to add? Seeing as Josh tweeted he got bombarded with requests as of late. That ex gf tidbit is interesting. Just a question hypothetical RS, if and if Chris turns down the bachelor gig who has the best shot of getting it?

  13. vessel

    June 11, 2014 at 8:16 AM

    Got to agree completely that all of that Nick drama was producer driven. I’ve watched this manipulated show long enough not to recognize manufactured junk when I see it, and the scenario that rob22 suggested sounds spot on for this show. Also agree with Steve regarding the fact that anyone at any time can “steal someone away” or “grab some one on one” when you can, so why any of these guys were whining and complaining is beyond me other than that it was totally encouraged by the production crew. Also agree with the Nick resembling a young John Lithgow comments I’ve seen, although not sure why that is seen as a bad thing…

  14. purplesunsets

    June 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    I agree this drama seems producer driven.. As Sharleen mentioned on her blog about the evil production parts in the works. But also I wonder Jason mentioned briefly on podcast before that one could say no or refuse… It comes with threats though.. Of bad editing etc. So basically do it or no good will happen.

    Hmm I see Giovanni Rabisi in Nick more? Yes? With a mix of John Lithgow?

  15. jm123

    June 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Just wanted to comment and mention that if someone is listed on your friends list on snapchat, it doesn’t mean that you are sending them tons of pictures, it could mean that she is sending him a ton of pictures, and that he looks at them. Also, a little stalker-ish, but from checking out her twitter, it seems like she is not an ex-gf, but a friend of the family, or a girl he’s met a few times that really likes his family. I think her comment on twitter about them not working out would be like me taking a picture with brad pitt and saying “man, I’m bummed our relationship didn’t last, but good look with angie”. I think this girl clearly has a crush on the murray family (or they are just close family friends), but she truly doesn’t seem like an ex.

  16. angelfish

    June 11, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    I got the info from a gossip site that I strangely can’t link to here.

    It’s called okhereisthesituation dot com

    If you type josh into the search box, the blurb is the 4th one down.

    I can’t vouch for any accuracy on the site, but it’s got some interesting reading. And if putting this info in a post violates some sort of “terms & conditions” I agreed to in order to register here, I apologize.

  17. realdeal

    June 11, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    It is not about if the producers asked Nick to go console Andi. It is the way Nick handled the situation in the aftermath with the other guys. He was smug with a big smirk on his face. Nick is not capable of having a two-way conversation with any of the guys because of his inflated ego which was demonstrated between two exchanges with two different people.

    1) Andrew tries to talk to Nick and Nick immediately cuts him off and says, “Is he [Andrew] not F-ing listening?” Andrew tries to get a word in, but he can’t because Nick orders him to “F-ing pay attention!” Instead of asking, “Why do you get the impression that I think I have the upper hand,” he just tells Andrew to shut the F up. Nick’s strategy is to avoid the conversation and shut people down when he’s on the losing end of a conversation.

    2. After he shut Andrew off, Nick continues to have a smirk on his face and just sits there gleaming with excessive ego. Tasos calls Nick out as being “slightly arrogant” and says that Nick is “being deceitful and justifying it by being selfish.” Tasos is a decent guy and if he has to call Nick out on that, then his assessment of Nick is probably valid.

    In next week’s episode, Cody calls Nick out again and asks him if he considers himself the “front runner.” Again, Nick shuts down the conversation by avoiding the question and says, “Why does it matter?” Nick might be perceived a “nice guy” playing the whole skeptic act in the early episodes, but that’s not the case. Just look at the video tape posted on Reality Steve where he is returning from islands while chomping on Cheetos – No producers fabricated that. Sorry, but I can see why Andi chose Josh over Nick in the end..

  18. rob22

    June 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    I think Nick’s choice of clothing alone is reason not to pick him. Who dresses like that? While I was (sort of) defending Nick in that he was manipulated in some ways by producers, that doesn’t mean he’s not accountable for (1) being so gullible and (2) for not being able to man-up when called out by the other guys. How hard would it be to explain, and then apologize if necessary. He apparently doesn’t have the maturity to handle difficult situations.

  19. realdeal

    June 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    @rob22: Yes, I agree with your post above 100%.

  20. vessel

    June 11, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    I wouldn’t be too quick to completely judge Nick’s character based solely on what ABC chooses to cut/splice/edit and then air. I would never take this show at face value. (I’m also not defending Nick because he may be an A-hole in reality, we don’t know) but @realdeal if you have never listened to Jason and Molly’s podcast you might want to try it. In many of them they both reveal that this show regularly shows things cut up and out of context, they call it “frankenbiting”. If ABC wants to give someone a bad edit they will stop at nothing to do so. Nick’s words might have been taken from another conversation on a whole other day and spliced right in there so it appears he is yelling at Andrew, or whoever. Also When they show a face shot and someone is making a “smug expression” it often was a shot of them from a whole other filming period. The producers also out and out lie to these people in order to get a rise out of them for dramatic purposes. Also I would never accuse someone of “overreacting” on this show because none of us knows how much footage was cut out just to make it appear that someone is making a big deal out of nothing. Just sayin’…

  21. realdeal

    June 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    @vessel: The conversation Nick had on the phone on the plane returning to the U.S. from the Dominican Republic was not spliced and no producers did any “frankenbiting” of that. The real life personality off-screen seems to be consistent with on-screen.

  22. vessel

    June 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    @realdeal, I realize that phone convo was real. I wasn’t referring to that, I was referring to your comments about how Nick came off on that episode, and your negative reactions to his words and facial expressions. Those absolutely can be a result of frankenbiting. Were they? Don’t know for sure, I was merely saying ABC can do whatever they want to have someone come off as angelic or crazy or bitchy, etc. And it often isn’t a just and fair representation of them in reality, it’s more ABC hoping for drama and viewer reactions.

    But all that aside what was wrong with Nick on the phone on the plane? I didn’t get anything negative at all from those videos other than awful fashion sense!

  23. rob22

    June 11, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    I go back and forth. On one hand, yeah, the Producers manipulate you and the editors can make you look good, or bad, depending on what story lines they want to have.
    But, in the end, Juan Pah-Blow is still Juan Pah-Blow. There is not enough lipstick to put on that pig. Nick, who knows? On the video, he came across as naive and jilted, which he probably was & lashed out at Josh. He also seems to come off fairly honest in his assessment of Josh. So, like most of us, we have our good points & some people like us because of them…. and we have our bad points & some people dislike us because of them. The producers do, however, choose which they show more of. I guarantee both sides come out over the course of several weeks & the show can pick whether to show “Good Nick” or “Bad Nick”. That’s the way it goes when you sign up for a reality show. If you don’t know by now what could happen, then you are naive, or quite possibly stupid.

  24. vessel

    June 11, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    @rob22 I agree. In fact even when I was typing my last comment I was thinking “except Juan Pablo” lol, because no one is going to convince me he isn’t a jerk in real life, and he just got the bad edit.

  25. angelfish

    June 11, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    @vessel: I don’t think any of us here are under any illusions as to how the editing monkeys work.

    I think we all basically agree on the premise: History isn’t what actually happened, it’s what got written down.

    The Bachelor isn’t about what actually happened, it’s how it was edited.

    Very simply, if you did NOT say it, they cannot manufacture you saying it. If you did NOT do it, they cannot create video of you doing it. They cannot make things up out of thin air. They cannot force anybody to say anything at any time.

    When a person is sitting the the same place, in the same clothing, with the same people for a period of time, it is obvious on video. Nick was there and had those conversations with those guys and showed those facial expressions at that time. They may have been there for 4 hours instead of 45 seconds, but that’s immaterial.

    “Nick’s words might have been taken from another conversation on a whole other day and spliced right in there so it appears he is yelling at Andrew, or whoever”

    No, they are not allowed to do that. The do have some restrictions. They can position different clips in the video to illustrate their narritive, but they cannot create something entirely false and make things up.

    We’ve all been on this turnip truck before, so no fear that we’re gonna fall off.

  26. realdeal

    June 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    @vessel: I’m not denying that the show can edit a person to make them look good or bad. However, the reactions by the other guys to Nick give the best indication of the ego and sense of entitlement. These sentences of the guys reactions were not edited (or frankenbitted) to combine random words to make up these sentences:

    Nick: “Why are you looking at me?”

    Tasos: “Because you are slightly arrogant right now and I don’t like that”

    Tasos: “Nick is being deceitful and he knows what he’s doing is not right and he’s justifying it by being selfish.”

    Andrew: “He was the one who claimed that he was sort of deserving of that moment…It sort of validates the fact that he’s going into this thing with a big head.”

    If the reactions of the guys were not like that, then yes
    I’d believe that the producers did manipulate Nick in the episode scenes to make him look bad. But that is not the case. All the reactions to Nick are negative. When all is said and done, it’s probably water under the bridge between the guys by now. Guess we will find out during the “Men Tell All”.

  27. vessel

    June 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    Actually, according to Jason and Molly that actually can, and do, cut and splice sentences to form a completely new sentence that the person never actually said. They have a podcast explaining in detail how they do it, and give specific examples from both of Jason’s seasons on the show, I believe. It’s one of their first podcasts, I think.

  28. vessel

    June 11, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    *they actually can, and do, cut and splice sentences…

  29. purplesunsets

    June 11, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Out of sheer curiosity I clicked on the site you gave @angelfish. Interesting reading indeed, I wonder now plus that twitter statement.

    @vessel I agree with the frankenbitting as I’ve heard the same podcast from Jason and Molly i think its mostly if the situation doesnt go like they want? but also @realdeal has a point some of those could be a reflection of and or which side they want to show. Everyone brings good points and like many former contestants have said they can also choose to show as little or more of the person.

  30. bigfatwoman

    June 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    Let’s face it, you have to be a masochist, an egoist, an opportunist or an idealist to go on this show……pick one of these attributes and match it to each contestant. Done. Help me understand the point of dissecting Nick’s actions? Is it to prove he’s possibly a jerk? If so, then I’m sure that’s possible…….and also possible for anyone appearing on this show.

    Aside from Juan Pablow, it’s really hard to glean someone’s personality or character from this heavily edited show and consider it an accurate analysis.

  31. rob22

    June 11, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    BFW: with JPBlow, it was more about what an asshat he was away from the show that validated who he was. He may have gotten a better edit if he didn’t open his mouth or tweet at all off camera. It seemed he was determined to prove what a dimwit he really was. For most on the show it is more of a roll of the dice. 7 out and you get the bad edit.

  32. vessel

    June 12, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    BFW that was my point exactly. I didn’t mean to come off as lecturing people on how this show actually works, I was just a little surprised to read the sort of character assassination Nick was getting based on one scene in a heavily edited/manipulated show. Also agree that Juan Pablo did nothing to help how he came off outside the show,with his stupid tweets, etc. In fact if I recall correctly didn’t he tweet right before leaving to start filming something like “EXCITED for 25 different BUTTS!!!” ? yuck.

  33. Athena

    June 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    I just watched the Nick/Andi scene, and the aftermath conversation between Nick and the guys, and I have to say that both segments seemed VERY heavily edited. They were choppy and there was absolutely no flow to either of them. The spliced in ITM’s with a few of the other guys could have easily been taken out of context. Yes, he did have kind of a smirk on his face when he and Andi re-entered the room, but to me, it was more like he had been told by producers to escort her back in, and something about it was embarrassing. I just don’t see anything that screams “bad character”, or even whispers of it. The message I took from it was that ABC was working hard to create drama where there really wasn’t any, especially because what they probably could have shown, but obviously chose not to was the guys venting about Eric leaving.

  34. realdeal

    June 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    @Athena: You must be related to Nick and trying to defend him. The scene is not “heavily edited” and “chopped up.” There is clear evidence that there was drama between the guys because they do not like Nick’s ego. The confessionals from Andrew and Tasos were not edited and they were directly addressing Nick. Josh spoke a few words and was upset at Nick as well. That is a low blow for you to guess that the guys were “venting about Eric.” You have no idea what the guys thought or said regarding Eric leaving.

    I don’t see how these statements below can be taken out of context.

    Tasos: “Because you [Nick] are slightly arrogant right now and I don’t like that”

    Tasos: “Nick is being deceitful and he knows what he’s doing is not right and he’s justifying it by being selfish.”

    Andrew: “He [Nick] was the one who claimed that he was sort of deserving of that moment…It sort of validates the fact that he’s going into this thing with a big head.”

    In the end, so what if Nick has a big ego and smugness about him and the camera happens to catch it and air it on TV? It’s not the end of the world.

  35. kels

    June 25, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    Somehow I believe Josh is old enough and wise enough to not use snapchat inappropriately. I’ve read articles that holds this chick up as an ex-girlfriend, but she claims to be exes of both of them. I’m no prize, but neither is she and she is YOUNG. I think this is a big hoax and not truly legitimate. Just a fan trying to etch onto fame. Unless she actually provides correspondence and more pictures (that is what snapchat is) that showcase evidence, I believe she is a fake. She has a couple of follows and a picture or two. Nothing more. That doesn’t a relationship make.

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