I’ll make this short and sweet.
1) How about saving your spoiler next season until the day after the premier so that Jimmy Kimmel might have to actually come up with his own prediction? Now, that would be entertaining TV… Like I said earlier, he’ll still just get it from someone inside the show.
2) Nick and AshLee Frazier would make a great couple. Each accused Andi and Sean, respectively of things that happened in the Fantasy Suite for the sole purpose of revenge by humiliation. (I think it was that AshLee told Sean on the WTA that he had told her in the FS that she was the one?) Match made in heaven…
Comment: Hey, you never know with this franchise.
Long time reader here. I love your website! I do have to respectfully disagree with you about Nick’s ATFR outburst. Andi made him feel like a fool on national television. Nick said so himself in the car on the finale. What better way to get back at the girl that dumped you than to insinuate she’s a slut on a live show? All the guys in the house claimed Nick was always thinking of his next move and over-analyzing the whole season. I think this was Nick’s last calculated move. I believe the “depression” was an act to keep the producers interested in him and his story. Think about it – he’d be a giant ass if he came on the ATFR and said, “Yeah, I’m over you – but one question, why did you sleep with me then?” instead of “Oh woe is me, it’s been so hard to get over you, I just don’t understand why you slept with me then.” First scenario – jerk Nick. Second scenario – poor, broken Nick. Plausible?
Thanks for all you do. I have to say I have more fun reading your spoilers and laughing at The Bachelor/Bachelorette than I ever did just watching it cold and not knowing anything about the season. It’s so much more entertaining this way!
Comment: Interesting theory and well thought out, but I still don’t think that was the case. He did it to embarrass her. Whether it was intentional or not, that was the effect it had. He admitted he had no intention of ever saying it, but because she’s was being aloof and cold on stage, he said it. Oh, well that just make it perfectly ok then. Way to dig yourself deeper there, Nick.
Another great season, look forward to reading your columns each week.
The footage on ATFR of Nick walking alone was in Milwaukee, not Chicago which must have been what they filmed here a few weeks ago.
I missed it but I saw on Twitter they had a shot of Rock Bottom (brewery) in the background, amusing play on words.
His dad was on the local news last night too after the show.
Look forward to some trashy BIP upcoming.
Keep up the great work!
Comment: Yeah, I screwed that up. Had a few beers in me Monday night and wasn’t paying attention to detail. It was Milwaukee they shot the footage in, not Chicago. I should’ve known that considering I tweeted out the picture of Nick and producer Bennett in Milwaukee shooting that scene a few weeks ago.
Hey Steve —
I’ve been a long-time reader, but have never commented or sent you an email before now. I just wanted to say that I read your finale column and loved it, as I’ve loved all the writing/spoiling you do for The Bachelor franchise. The letters from the haters were actually pretty funny, and I’m glad that you can see the humor in them (and how bizarre some people really are!). I laughed especially hard at the letter writer who feels sorry for your dog — my goodness! Some people! I am an educated, professional woman, and your age, and, as a reader, I’ve appreciated getting to know you through your writing — the same writing that is well-done, funny, and entertaining. In fact, most of the time, your columns are the highlights of my Tuesdays and Thursdays. Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for another great season and remind you that you have many fans and admirers. Thank you for doing what you do!
Comment: Thank you. I appreciate it. I post the emails so everyone can laugh and see some of the crazies I have to deal with.
This was my first season reading (or even knowing) about spoilers and a first time emailer! I’m not someone who watches Bachelor/ette religiously every season. I usually only watch if I like the lead or a certain contestant and after watching Andi on the last few episodes on Bachelor, I really liked her! So I was one of the people that were actually excited she was named the Bachelorette. And because I don’t watch too often I had never seen your site until just before this season started. Personally, I enjoyed watching more knowing your spoilers and who wins, so thank you! You made it a lot more fun for me…and also my friends after I told them about Reality Steve…to watch. Anyways, I have a question and a few comments about ATFR, sorry about the length I’m a first-timer so I’m a little eager haha…
Did you speak to anyone who was at after the final rose? Nick’s talk with Andi last night was just so damn unbearable because he could not put two words together and when he did he asked the stupid love-making question—make love, really Nick? Cause that’s totally what it was…I’d be interested to see what Andi and Nick did when they cut to commercial..maybe nothing except nick awkwardly saying goodbye and trying to be civil with each other in front of an audience but just wondering if you knew anything else we didn’t see. No, I did not.
I also don’t get how he kept saying she went too far and she made it seem like it was going to be him in the end. Like he said, he studied this show beforehand. Has a lead ever brought it down to final two and admittedly said she favors one over the other? No because it’s a show and a contest and a surprise (sort of) to viewers as to who wins. What is she going to do blatantly say, “Hey, it’s not you, it’s Josh.” He knows there has to be a final two and he knows the format of the show. If that is truly how Nick felt and not just adding drama, he is just so naïve and clueless idk. He obviously knew that’s how the show worked, but I don’t think he comprehended it in the moment. Clearly he didn’t.
Thanks for all of your and your sources efforts! Very fun to read!
Hi Reality Steve,
I’m a big fan of your work. I always enjoy your analyses after each show and look forward to your take on how these extremely weird people interact under a microscope.
While I enjoyed your final write-up on Andi’s season, I gotta disagree with your opinion about Nick’s actions on the ATFR show. First off I think it’s important to note that I don’t have a dog in this race, in the sense that I could care less about Nick or Andi. Of all the people on the show, I liked Chris the best because he was by far the most genuine and kind. Nick struck me as kind of a weirdo so I didn’t particularly care for him.
In any case, the guy was not faking last night, he was very much heart-broken and needed to get things off his chest and get a little bit of closure. You might think that her breaking up with him was closure, but it wasn’t even in the vicinity. Their break-up was awkward, brief, and a tad insincere. Look at Andi’s final moments with Chris. She was in tears, saying how sorry she was because he was such a wonderful guy but the feelings just weren’t there. They cried together, accepted the reality of the situation, and while hurt, Chris could walk away feeling alright. With Nick, she didn’t compliment him, she didn’t apologize, she simply said she woke up and it didn’t feel right. Why not own up to the fact that she has strong feelings for him, but feels something stronger with Josh? Instead she leaves Nick feeling like their relationship wasn’t real, as though there was nothing of substance there, and that they were a bad fit. The poor guy knew in his heart he was about to get engaged, and then to receive news like that and talk about it for 2 minutes? I don’t know about you, but I’d be a little confused.
I had been in a similar break-up ages ago, and I couldn’t really move on until we had a real conversation about what our relationship was and what went wrong. As upset as I was, I had so much respect for that girl for talking with me about it (weeks after the break-up) just for clarity’s sake.
It doesn’t surprise me that Nick was still stewing about their relationship. You need to have that time to talk about it with the other person. You can’t actually believe that he wasn’t still hurt can you? Do you really think Nick’s mother would interview and comment on how devastated her son still was just because of the producers? That’s a real stretch.
The last thing is Nick’s interview on the ATFR, which was not only genuine, but deserved. Andi had that coming, and as humiliated as she undoubtedly was at that moment, she has no one to blame but herself.
First off, she signed up for a TV show called “The Bachelorette” where every detail of your love life with 25 guys is broadcast to the whole country. On top of that, Nick had made previous attempts to talk things over with her, and she refused. She had the opportunity to talk about these things off the camera (in Mexico), and she refused, so she can’t complain about it now being talked about on National TV.
But really the lesson here is if you know you’re not going to end up with someone, don’t sleep with them. A lot of men complain about girls that are “cock teases” that “lead you on” and “send lots of mixed signals”. Those gripes are typically about girls that smiles at you or touch your shoulder when they walk past you. This is straight up sex, talk about a mixed signal! Sorry but if you sleep with a guy that you know you’re not gonna be with, that’s on you. Furthermore, say she did have feelings for the guy (which I think she did), own up to it. Say from the get go “I care for you a lot, I have strong feelings for you, but I have something stronger with someone else”. It might hurt, but it’s honest, what more can you ask for?
I don’t feel Nick was out of line in the least for how he acted last night. His questions were completely valid. Chris Harrison asked Andi if she ever loved him, she vociferously responded “No”, if I were in Nick’s position, I’d need to know “Theeeeeen why’d you make love to me?”. It’s a completely valid question. If she was honest from the beginning, she never would have suffered that embarrassment. But, similar to Josh who is always trying to save face (Yeah, you stopped playing baseball because you wanted to fall in love, not because you weren’t good enough), she tried to make her new engagement seem like a match made in heaven by saying she only loved Josh and no one else, and you know what? It blew up in her face.
I’m not saying Andi shouldn’t have slept with Nick, she’s free to do so. But when you sleep with someone, don’t be surprised if they feel connected to you afterward. And when you abruptly break up with a guy that you just slept with, don’t be surprised if they’re a little confused. And if you don’t have the decency to level with the guy in full, don’t be surprised if he tries to get in touch with you. And lastly, if you cowardly refuse to meet with a guy who has done nothing wrong to you and just wants clarity, don’t be surprised if it blows up in your face. Seriously, why refuse to meet him? Why avoid him? The guy wasn’t a jerk or something. That’s just cowardly, or unduly cruel. I don’t know why Andi never met with him before so I can’t say for sure.
In any case, great job this season and am looking forward to the next Bachelor. I probably won’t be tuning in for Paradise, sounds like plain old smut to me.
Comment: So many things I disagree with in this email, but I appreciate the input. We’ll just agree to disagree.
Congrats on the season! i know you hear it all day every day, but it truly baffles me that people get upset at you for spoiling the season. If they don’t like seeing the spoilers (or believe in the spoilers, i.e. the Nick videos), don’t read the site!
On another note, I seriously hope your prediction that Chris is the next bachelor is right. I kept imagining this horrible world where they would make Nick the next bachelor….little did I know it could be so much worse! Arie?!!! I am beyond confused! Did all the producers and TV execs sit around and think about who the most womanizing, least serious about getting married past contestant they had was and decide on Arie? I agree it would create press for shock value, but uh….didn’t we just have to go through Juan Pablo? Isn’t it a little soon for another fame desperate male whore? (Sorry for my language, but I call um like I see um.) I hope producers read your site and realize that long-time fans of the show, for whatever weird reason, still watch it thinking they’re going to get to watch a couple fall in love; not watch some guy try to hook up with as many women as possible in a couple month period. Gross.
And finally, you mentioned Arie has fans. Shocking. Does the man even have a steady job? Are 30 something men with roommates in high demand these days? Last I heard, he was racing monster trucks or something. What a catch!
Comment: Casting Arie as the lead would be for pure shock value. No one will buy for a second he’s there to find a wife. But you know what? A lot of people don’t care if he is or not.
Loved your emails criticizing you for the season. Seriously these people need to spell check. Classy.
Is it bad I enjoyed the videos? I did. I’m bad like that. It was magically fortuitous and I feel awful for Nick but that was some good stuff to watch.
But seriously, how much did you absolutely totally LOVE that Nick called Andi out for sleeping together in the Fantasy Suite? I was dying during the ATFR and had to watch it again and again. She had plenty of chances to talk with Nick beforehand but this just gave us deliciousness for the show.
Comment: It was good TV that’s for sure. And it’s what everyone is talking about since Monday. So in that aspect, it worked out great for them.
My thoughts on Andi/Nick.
Yes, Andi had a TV show to be part of etc etc. But I really don’t blame Nick (the opposite, in fact) for calling her out on national TV. I don’t believe it was classless of him. I’m not into shaming women for sleeping with whomever they want. I’m not here to judge sex between consenting adults. And am fully aware of what happens in the fantasy suite usually. The problem isn’t her sleeping with him. It’s her sleeping with him KNOWING (and fully admitting to knowing) that Josh was always the one. In fact, if I were Josh, I’d have some questions for Andi too.
Her wanting Josh is not something that hit her like a lightning bolt the day after she slept with Nick. Yes, she has a show to put on in front of the cameras. But the fantasy suite is without cameras. Knowing she had chosen, she could have spent the fantasy suite date doing anything but have sex with a guy who had told her he was in love with her. And no, she’s not the only Bachelorette to have played it this way. In return though, I don’t blame any guy (Nick, in this instance) for calling her out on it. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened before actually. I suppose some previous Bachelorettes (or Bachelors) may have been more diplomatic and spun it to seem like they didn’t know going into the overnight dates (which is complete bull but anyway…) and that they somehow decided afterwards. But if you blatantly say you always knew who your F1 was, prepare to be called out! Thank your lucky stars if you’re not!
Andi came right out and said she fell in love with Josh from day one. There was absolutely NO reason to continue to toy with Nick once the cameras were off. Even if up to that moment, she had to say things to lead him on somewhat and create a show, there was none of this requirement in the overnight date. She knew she was going to let him go without letting him pick out a ring etc. Well, she should have taken it a step further and told him on the overnight date that she’d be letting him go. Or not offering the fantasy suite date card to him (as Emily did on her season). Or offer it up but spend the night talking and then tell him ‘on camera’ the following morning.
Andi seems to have a very uncaring, nasty side when things don’t go her way. First seen by how she handled JP (hilarious how karma came back and bit her in the ass last night). And later seen again with how she handled Eric’s astute observations about her ‘acting’.
Either way, I don’t care who Andi ended up with. Her life, her choice. So my comments aren’t stemming from a #teamnick sour grapes kind of place at all.
Comment: Andi’s answers are a bit confusing because she said she fell for him from day one, but then has said she didn’t make her decision until that morning. So definitely mixed signals.
However, she can sleep with whoever she wants. Is there a double standard in society? Yes. Is it fair? No. But it’s there. If you’re going to crucify Andi then you might as well crucify almost every female lead this show has had because they did it too. Sex happens in the Fantasy Suite. Every season. With more than one person. These are mid 20’s, horny, attractive people. Doesn’t mean she has to marry him.
Thanks for always responding to my emails in the past even though im sure you could care less about my thoughts or opinions, and you will likely disagree im gonna share them anyway :).
I feel like im living in an alternate universe with all of the slack Nick is getting for his behavior on last nights episode. I dont know if you have ever been heartbroken or “dumped” by someone you really cared about but let me tell you it SUX!! And if you are an intense and deep thinker like Nick than let me tell you it REALLY SUX!! Based on what i saw this season it seemed like Andi and Nick had a strong connection and she very much lead him on for weeks and weeks probably knowing all along that she wasnt going to choose him in the end. She allowed him to profess his love to her over and over again and even encouraged him to tell her all about how much he cared about her, only to coldly and abruptly dump him on the day he was going to propose to her! Than afterwards she refused to even speak to him just as a way for him to express himself and maybe get some answers and closure (which is a normal and healthy process after a breakup!) the two times he tried. and if you want to say that the reason she wouldn’t talk to him is because it would be inappropriate since she was already engaged, i dont need to tell you but this entire show is wildly inappropriate! Dating 25 men at once is inappropriate and definitely sleeping with a man days before you get engaged to another would be insanely inappropriate under any normal circumstance, so the only reason for her to refuse to even listen to him is solely because Andi seems to be a self centered, cold and selfish person based on all i have seen from this season and from juan pablos season.
Now that being said, i actually was so impressed that Nick had the guts to call her out in front of the entire world about the fantasy suites, (even though normally there is some unwritten rule about this show that no one discusses what actually happens in those suites), and i thought she completely deserved it!! Maybe if she would have agreed to see him privately and let him talk to her he wouldnt have had to say it on national television but he knew this was his one and only chance to say whatever he needed to say so good for him. She totally deserved it after her cold and self absorbed behavior. She was soooo mean to him last night and completely belittled their relationship which just makes her look ridiculous and heartless after all her comments throughout the season about how special and unique their relationship was and how passionate it was etc. etc. etc.
Point is, i am so unimpressed with Andi and i think she has proven to be a stubborn, cold, selfish, unemotional person and its shocking to me that Nick is the one being criticized about last night when all i see is a guy that put himself out there and got brutally heartbroken on TV.
Thanks for your spoilers! Always so fun to read!!
Comment: We’ll agree to disagree. But thanks for the input. Some loved what he did, some hated it. All a matter of opinion.
I agree with what you say in your column about Nick being “as inappropriate as you can get.” However, Nick just did a poor job of planning out what he wanted to say.
Most people who are runner-up say “When did you know?”. Nick got that answer watching the finale because Andi said to Josh she knew from the first night. Nick’s question to her should have been “Why didn’t you tell me when we broke up in the Dominican Republic you had a better relationship with Josh?”. She played up the fact that they over-analyze and not the fact she was in love with someone else. He left with the idea that she might change her mind. She also should have known from their conversations about his broken engagement that he would be more vulnerable and she could have let him go earlier.
Public opinion of Nick is horrible because he embarrassed Andi. I hope people realize their opinion is because it was The Bachelorette and not The Bachelor. If the same thing happened on The Bachelor, and a woman was heartbroken and confronting a man about leading her on, the general public would feel sorry for her.
Ultimately this is a TV show and they will exploit contestants to make as much money as they can. However, shouldn’t the therapist do a little more to help someone like Nick deal with his past and learn to move on? Do you think Nick would have moved on by himself if producers weren’t pushing him to try and contact Andi after the show?
Comment: Nick is naïve to think that she was gonna change her mind. He even said in the plane video two days after being dumped “she won’t change her mind.”
Everyone that’s eliminated immediately talks to a therapist afterwards, but then basically you never hear from that therapist again. Nick sounded like he needed one on a weekly basis.
Did they ever consider Nick for Bachelor? Seems like the “emotional” narrative might have made him appealing as a “man who truly cares”? He has his fan base.No.
Did Arie become a contender because of the mentions in the best selling Courtney book? That certainly isn’t hurting him.
Please share more details about day in the life of a Bachelor producer?
Comment: I have no idea. I don’t know any of them.
Whoa ~ I could not believe my ears when I heard Nick say…”but we made love” I had to rewind and listen again. Whaa whaa whaa. What a douche worm cry baby. I’m surprised Josh didn’t come out and whoop that little pip-squeak’s ass. Seriously!
Do you know what, if anything Josh had to say about Nick’s ridiculously rude and trashy comment. Has Josh or Andi he publicly commented? Watch that Huffington Post Live video on page 1. Around the 9:00 mark I think.
Thanks for the season of spoilers and recaps. You do an awesome job in case no one has told you lately 🙂 I thoroughly enjoyed you writings! Looking forward to September.
Who pays for the engagement rings on the bachelor?
Comment: Neil Lane.
Glad you were right! Only because I would’ve hated you to get a bunch of mean emails!
Do you know the order I the Fantasy suite dates by chance? Awkward if nicks was after Josh’s….
Comment: I’m pretty sure Nick was before Josh.