“Reader Emails,” “Dr. Reality Steve,” & Nick Is At It Again

August 7th, 2014 | 23 Comments | Posted in Dr. Reality Steve, Reader Emails

My husband is of the opinion that the only reason Nick said what he said Monday night was for the benefit of those four guys in the audience that he thought had been so mean to him. He says it’s a male prick one up kind of thing, and by doing what he did, he was saying to them “ha ha, I scored, and you didn’t”. He wanted to rub their noses in it. Your thoughts?

Comment: If that were the case, I think he would’ve said “had sex” and not “make love.” Like Brian was sitting there stewing because Nick got to “make love” to her and he didn’t? Not sure I would go with that. I don’t think 2 ½ months after the fact those guys even cared.
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I have enjoyed your spoilers for several seasons and thank you for them. My take on Nick is ABC better get him serious therapy. His behavior is pathological to me. During the filming it was as if no one mattered but him. How could he be so smug unless he lives in total denial. His letter was only about him and Andi as if Josh did not exist or matter. When someone is a loner and manipulator and into denial they can be dangerous. The guy believes whatever he wants to believe. He is always a victim and never to blame for his behavior or attitudes. People like him are crazy and dangerous because they are not in touch with reality. His lack of concern for Josh feelings as he exposes her on nationwide tv just confirms my feelings that he is self obsessed and dangerous. I would keep my eye on him as he will not give up: he is a psycho of sorts. He will not let it go and live in reality. Like a stalker she only belongs to him. He scares me.

Comment: That might be a biiiiiiiiit extreme.
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Steve,

My wife got me into watching the Bachelor/Bachelorette and since I already love trashy reality shows (Big Brother, Temptation Island, etc) it was a good fit. But reading your site along with watching the show makes it much more enjoyable, not just the spoilers but some of the additional info you provide that isnt shown on tv (timelines of events, background info on contestants, etc). If you didnt exist the show would probably have less viewers in my opinion. So as much as the producers may dislike you for spoiling their show, they should be happy for the bump in ratings you help provide.

A couple of questions for you:

1. Was there anything you heard about this season that never made it to air that you thought it should have been shown, and if yes what was it? (besides Andi’s dad the first night) A few things. None of which I can share though. That’s normal for most seasons. There’s always stuff I hear that I just don’t think is right to share with the public.

2. With the show using virtually the exact same formula each season, how would you change the show if you had the chance? I’d go with two leads the entire season, with the contestants having chances to date both. However, it’s not something they would ever do.

3. Who arranges these “reunions” of former cast members that you have mentioned before? When did they get started? There’s a Facebook page that’s by invite only where, once you’re off the show, it’s like you can then start posting on it. That used to be the way stuff was arranged. Now because of social media, these people will all just contact the others directly on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and go about it that way.

thanks, keep up the good work
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Team Andi! Nick was a putz from the first night, not sure why she liked him to begin with.

Just caught up on your blog and saw the post about Nick on the plane. Just a funny tid-bit… the blue capri’s he is wearing are WOMEN’S Lululemon Street to Studio Crops! I work at lululemon and thought they looked familiar so thought I would share since it’s a good little laugh and probably makes more sense as to why it’s so odd that he is wearing capri’s :) Link is below for the pants but that color is no longer available in case you take a peek. I also attached a couple photos of them on a lululemon model. Too funny!

Thanks and love your blog!

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Comment: Maybe that’s why Nick was so hung up on Andi. He realized that eventually he’d have to give her back her Lululemon pants.
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Steve,

So I read through most of the reader emails and thought this was interesting that I didn’t see anyone mention how Eric Hill was really right. From what I know of him he appeared to be a fabulous guy. It’s sad for any young person to loose their life so prematurely! I wonder how the MTA would have gone if he were there. I think he was right and he had great instincts. Andi was acting like they all do but she did an exceptionally terrible job at it in my opinion! She confirmed this by telling Josh she knew it was him from the get go. Well then why did you sleep with another man if you knew that from the beginning? For fun? It’s something I expect out of a man but I hold women to a higher standard I suppose (as does everyone). Josh is either very naive or just so desperate that he didn’t think to ask those essential questions of Andi. But as you have pointed out many times this show is a ridiculous notion that someone can find love in 10 weeks! It’s all about money and fame. If it were me, I would totally have moved to Iowa to be with that totally hunky successful manly man farmer Chris. No questions asked! I’m team Chris all the way and think he’s such a class act! Would love to see more of him! Arie is just scum! I wouldn’t even bother to watch nor read your spoilers because he’s just yucky left overs! If the show wants romantic they choose Chris, if they want sleazy more Juan Pablo kinda thing they will choose Arie! Juan Pablo 2.0 definitely.

The reality of today’s time is that chivalry is pretty much dead and maybe Nick really held that belief that “making love” was meant for someone that you truly love and not something of recreation! I think Nick is a strange character myself but maybe that was him just totally dumb founded! Goodness knows we all have moments of word vomit (Although, I could tell he was thinking about that question before he said it)! I only watched this season because I’m a huge bulldog fan and Aaron Murray fan. I think the show intentionally left out a lot of Andi’s relationship with Josh and I’m not sure why. Because other than your spoilers I would have been totally convinced that Andi was choosing Nick!

Good job as usual! If I were producers, I would be giving you a pat on the back for increasing show ratings! Maybe you should ask for a paycheck with the franchise! Goodness knows you create followers for them out of curiosity!

Comment: They will never acknowledge or pay me. That’s fine. Don’t need it. I will continue to spoil every season that they put out. It’s my job. I basically have to.
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Reading for many seasons and won’t watch unless I have! I wouldn’t watch BIP if it weren’t for your spoilers.

The Nick video before Andi’s season aired was the best, even if it was a once-in-a-lifetime! Bet it brought a whole new twist for Andi and she reflected on her experiences including Nick’s letter and two attempts to get with her after.

Given Josh’s claim that he and Andi discussed everything, it would be reasonable to think that Josh provided firsthand accounts on Nick’s on-going analyses with the guys. All things considered, my one word for Nick’s behavior is “creepy”. He seems somewhat of a narcissist evidenced by his many ITMs and comments to the other guys. I get that those slices are franchise edits, but they are consistent with what played out afterwards. Not surprising that Andi was “cold” as it was likely the only language he would understand. Anything else would have been a scene from Dumb and Dumber … Tell me I have a chance … Yeah, one in a million …… Yes!!!

I just read a reader question and your confirmation that the lead picks the final four from the beginning. Knowing the spoilers, I watch for edits that will show the early connections or edits that may deceive – either way is fun to watch when you already know what’s going to happen!

In Sean’s season, Catherine seemed to fly under the radar for such a long time. Sean’s advice to a later Batchelor (it would have had to have been Juan Pablo?) was to stay open because Catherine wasn’t one of the early frontrunners. Do you know if Sean identified her from the start as a F4 or if he swapped out someone else a little later?

Call me curious

Comment: I think reading the spoilers before the season is a better way to watch the show. Gives you a whole different perspective on what to look for when watching. It’s not like you wouldn’t be able to guess who the lead was into if there weren’t spoilers out there, because you totally would. People who usually get camera time, group date roses, and 1-on-1′s are people who last longer. Not too hard to figure out.

I think they decided on Sean’s season to hide Catherine because the spoiler was out there so early. They seem to edit accordingly based on the spoilers. But people can still look into the spoilers two different ways, so it still keeps people guessing.
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Dear Steve,

I’ve followed your blog now for a few years, but this is my first time writing. I’m a few entries in (the inane emails you received from readers who wanted you to be wrong with your Bachelorette spoilers this season).Oh My Goodness. I am just crying-laughing here (big mistake to stop by your blog to try to cure insomnia!). ;)

Anyway, I can only hope you get substantially more appreciative emails from readers like me who are genuinely entertained by your wit and writing (I think ABC should pay you, seriously… I rarely watch either Bachelor or Bachelorette, but your blog has been bookmarked on every laptop, ipod, and tablet I’ve owned).

Comment: I’d say this season was the exception, not the norm. My email inbox is usually 90% filled with positive and appreciate emails. Very few ever take the time to personally rip me because I think many have come to realize that I don’t care. Responding back with anything other than a sentence to people like that is giving them exactly what they want. So I usually just do a quick “Thanks. Keep reading” and go on my way.

However by the emails you say in last Tuesday’s column, yeah, it got a tad testy this season. People really were bothered that I got those plane videos I guess. Still not sure why, but they were more vocal about it this season than in the past. Oh well. It’s always fun to receive those during the season knowing I’m right, and all of them will eventually be proved wrong.

You know how many emails I’ve gotten from the haters since July 28th, either going back on their word, or apologizing? Zero. And it’s better that way. I let the spoilers speak for themselves.
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Steve,

How does one get a date with nick viall?

Comment: Stalk him. He seems to like that approach.
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Good for Nick for calling Andi out. I wish Andi and Josh the best; but any lead on this show who sleeps with both final two contestants — especially while KNOWING which of the two they are choosing at the end — deserves to have their shallowness and hypocrisy exposed. Nick using the phrase “made love” rather than “had sex” shows that their physical intimacy really meant something to him, rather than being just a meaningless one-night stand. Sex is a language the body speaks without words; it communicates real love and commitment, a complete giving of oneself and willingness to receive and accept the other. It is an expression of “two becoming one.” (See Saint John Paul II’s Theology of the Body for a brilliant explanation of this.) People try to deny this and treat sex just as a physical instinct or craving, but it’s different, so different that marriage is a sacrament and sex becomes the beautiful means by which God makes men and women co-creators with Him in the incredible miracle of creating a new, unique, amazing human being. Nick had every right to call out Andi on using him as just a piece of meat and then tossing him aside. Sex is a language the body speaks, and having sex and then dumping someone reduces the language you have just spoken to a lie.

This is pure conjecture on my part, but consider this: What if the rumors were true and Andi *was* pregnant, but she knew that the father was Nick and not Josh (maybe an accident with faulty birth control with Nick)? Maybe that letter was Nick begging Andi not to abort their child, and he followed her to the MTA and to Mexico to try to convince her not to kill their baby, but she went through with it and had an abortion anyway. Of course Andi would not own up to any of that on national TV. But it would certainly explain why Nick was so persistent and intent on trying to see her after the finale, and so emotional to the point of shaking when talking to her at the ATFR.

We can’t know what happened between them, but I’m certainly not going to judge Nick for saying what he did. It’s basically implied that the couples have sex on the overnight dates, unless someone goes out of their way to say they didn’t (like Sean and Catherine). It’s not like he said something that everyone didn’t already know. It was an elephant in the room, and he pointed out the obvious when everyone else could already see it anyway. Basically, the news there was not that they had sex, but that Andi could be so cold-hearted to someone she had been so intimate with just 2 months earlier. Personally, I’ve always suspected that this is what drove Brad and Emily apart: that Emily was upset that Brad slept with Chantal in the fantasy “suite” (in their case, outside, not in a suite), even though Brad knew he would choose Emily. Basically, if someone is so cavalier about sex that they would do this, that person simply cannot be trusted to be faithful after saying “I do.” The show tries to gloss over this with it’s fantasy portrayal of false romanticism, when the reality is what Sean expressed well in his column: Marriage is hard work. It is a daily choice, an act of the will to put the good of the loved one over the good of oneself. Congrats to Sean and Catherine for publicly witnessing to the commitment involved in real love — the self-restraint to not cheapen the other through inappropriate intimacy before a lifelong commitment is truly there. I can only hope that Andi and Josh are able to find that same kind of love – far from the starry-eyed idealism of the show – in the beautiful reality of everyday sacrifices and complete self-giving to one another.

Comment: Andi was not pregnant. Nick’s letter was published online and didn’t talk about pregnancy, so you can dismiss that whole ridiculous notion.

I think you’re much too caught up in this and are overanalyzing it from every angle. They had sex in the fantasy suite like many people before them have had, as will many after them. People have sex with ones they don’t choose. Andi apparently just did it with the wrong dude since we’ve never seen anyone from a previous season act like this.
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Hey Reality Steve,

Congrats on spoiling Andi’s season!

I know you’ve mentioned from time to time that in the event that ABC is interested, they have the right to televise Desiree and Chris’ wedding. Yesterday, Ali Fedotowsky posted a photo on Instagram saying she was at Des’ bridal shower. If that’s the case and nothing has been announced yet about a TV wedding, does that mean ABC has officially moved on from Des and Chris?

Comment: They moved on months ago, which is why I relayed what I was told. ABC wasn’t going to televise their wedding. They passed.

Considering the wedding shower this past weekend, yet still no public mention of a date or location on not only ABC’s part, but even Des and Chris, yes, further evidence that any wedding between them is not being televised. ABC would be promoting the sh** out it if they were televising their wedding. They’re not.
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Hi, Steve. Just curious…..Did you watch Wipeout on Sunday, August 3rd? Did you know they were going to be on? Erica was hysterical. She didn’t even make it passed the first round. Decided she didn’t need the money “that bad” and asked to quit. Since Arie was one of the contestants, is it possible that’s why a personal trainer was hired for him? Or is the timing of when it was taped “off”?

Comment: Yes, I watched. And I’m glad that self absorbed Hollywood wannabe showed her true colors. Couldn’t have fit her character anymore if she tried.

This was taped back in March or April, long before any trainer was hired for Arie.
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Hi Steve,

Just wondered if you followed this tv program that was on awhile back? It was about 4 American men who were to marry a foreign girl within 90 days of her Visa, or she would have to go back to her country. I know they showed some of them getting married, but I was wondering if their marriages actually worked out, and if they are still married?
Thanks for any info.

Comment: No.
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RS,

In my opinion, it was very dumb of Elise to go after Chris. It seemed like she liked Dylan a lot, and I don’t see her having more than a physical connection with Chris. And Dylan clearly had feelings for Elise. I think Elise and Dylan could have worked out if Chris never came. Chris is just going to date Elise for a few months and then move onto the next girl in the Bachelor Franchise after the next Bachelor season is over.

And I don’t see Lacy and Marcus lasting, yes it’s been one episode but Lacy doesn’t seem too genuine.

That’s all. Love your website and thanks for all the spoilers.

Comment: Dylan and Elise would’ve never lasted because she’s desperate to be famous and live in LA, and Dylan wouldn’t want that. And yes, Chris has already dumped her. Shocking, I know.

Time will tell on Marcus and Lacy. You know I will always be skeptical of people who meet on this show and get engaged so quickly.
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Hey Steve,

Been reading your column for a couple of seasons now. I have to say that BIP is probably the stupidest show ABC could have come up with. It just goes to show you just how Bat Sh*t Crazy these people are. I mean AshLee was straight up talking to herself about some guy that she met 4 hours earlier going on a date with someone else. hilarious. No sensible dude would touch her with a 10 foot pole after this seasons footage.

Keep up the good work!

Comment: If you read Tuesday’s column, you know my thoughts on the AshLee situation. Something was seriously off on that editing.
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Hey Steve!

Can’t wait for the Arie / Chris spoilers!

On to the questions. Thanks for taking the time to reply!

1. What is the deal with Chris Harrison and the Miami Vice look. He is dressing more and more douchey. Does he know that look went out in like 1989 and no one is trying to dress like Crockett and Tubbs anymore????? Maybe he’s buddies with Don Johnson and is paying homage.

2. What is the deal with Chris Harrison and his Bro Hugs for everyone? He used to never do it but now on every ATFR, MTA, and any other opportunity he is giving a big Bro Hug to girls / guys and acting like he is their best buddy who is in his 40′s. Chris wants to believe he’s in his 20′s. Hence the reason he likes em’ young.

3. Are you going to give Marcus and Lacy a wedding gift if they walk the aisle? No.

4. Is the show providing Marcus and Lacy safe house visits? I don’t know.

5. Do the contestants on Bachelor / Bachelorette fly commercial or fly on a chartered jet by ABC? If commercial do they fly first class? Commercial. The leads fly first class. Contestants fly coach.

6. Did Josh quit his job at Capstone Financial? On his Facebook it says Former Financial Advisor at Capstone Financial Partners. Is he trying to make it big in Hollywood like his fiance who also looking at the bright lights of Hollywood? I don’t think either of them are moving to LA.

7. Michelle Money / Chris Bukowski / Grahm ……… will these 3 ever get a life beyond the bachelor franchise? I can see 20 years from now Michelle Money will be on Bachelor in Paradise Part 20 and hooking up with some guy old enough to be her son (yes, I realize there is the Cody hookup, but I give that about 3 months after filming finishes). Her daughter must be so embarrassed watching her mom hook up year after year. I don’t understand it myself. I guess it’s just all a way of keeping their brand out there.

8. How funny will it be if Arie is chosen as The One and girls are crying on their ITM’s saying Arie is the “perfect” guy and they see a “future” with him? Much more material for you to blog about than if boring Chris is The One. Definitely would be. I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

9. Have you noticed on social media that Catherine has a large following that is constantly trying to encourage her to get pregnant? “Catherine you need to get pregnant now!”…. “OMG you and Sean will have the most beautiful babies”….. “Can’t wait to see your baby ultrasound”…..It is crazy how some of these so called fans take such an investment into someone they don’t know who went on a reality show…….just wondering how the franchise will top the Ashley ultrasound once she gets knocked up. They will probably televise her live giving birth and show Sean cutting the cord on live TV. I will never understand it til the day I die. Those people need therapy.

Thanks Steve for always doing a Super job and keeping the masses entertained with this Crazy show.
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Hi Steve!

I just wanted to say thank you for another great season of recaps and spoilers. Those Nick plane videos were gold! It’s incredible that anyone questioned your spoiler after that.

I skipped Desiree’s season last year and am just now watching it. I know it was an unpopular season, but I’m actually enjoying it. I think the fact that her 1st choice didn’t reciprocate her feelings makes it more interesting than the standard storyline for this show. It’s a good underdog story!

A few questions …

1) Any idea how the ratings compare for Des and Andi’s seasons? I think they were pretty equal.

2) Do you have any thoughts on Des and her bizarre finale now that a year has passed since ATFR? Apparently she had her bridal shower this past weekend. Not really. I didn’t understand it at the time but haven’t given it much thought since.

3) What is the biggest lesson you learned from getting the spoiler wrong last year?

Comment: Be more thorough. I got lazy and it burned me. Won’t happen again. Of course, anything can happen on any given season, but I honestly feel I will never get another ending wrong to this show. Too many good sources out there.

23 thoughts on ““Reader Emails,” “Dr. Reality Steve,” & Nick Is At It Again

  1. I thought what Nick said at the ATFR show was absolutely fine. How Andi reacted to him was crappy and showed her character. She said she was in love with Josh from the moment she saw him, so why sleep with Nick? Why lead him on further than the show required? Of course Nick wanted answers. BFD. It only made Andi look like a conceited, two-faced byotch. Why are HER feelings the only one that matter?

  2. Totally agree – especially with the Challenge example about why Bachelor Pad is 1,000xs better than this Paradise ridiculousness.

    As far as the next Bachelor. PLEASE LET IT BE CHRIS. Can you imagine watching Arie do that “every teenage girl’s selfie face” expression while he’s kissing for an entire season. B-A-R-F. So gross. Why anyone think’s that guy is attractive is beyond me. PLUS (sorry, just getting it out – I really can’t fathom that they’re actually considering that unattractive douche) he always looks like he has bad/not the ride shade of makeup on.

    Finally – still laughing about Marcus saying that Lacy has “two beautiful……(PAUSE)…eyes” on Monday’s show. Hahahahahahahahahaha. Sure she does buddy ;)

  3. Considering Josh said he wasn’t going to say “I love you” until he found the person he was going to propose to, and he had told Andi he loved her before any of the Fantasy Suite dates, he must feel pretty disrespected that she had Nick’s DNA inside her when he had his Fantasy Suite date, and when he proposed. No way to get around Andi coming across any way other than a slut.

  4. Fun column to read.

    I’ll say it for the last time, and please don’t beat me up, but Andi’s season was refreshing. It was nice to have a bright, strong person, and IMO she pulled it off beautifully.

    Hy for President!!!! Just kidding.

  5. I’m really, REALLY anti all this “slut-shaming” Andi is getting. Is every bachelorette in this show’s history a slut? Because with the exception of Emily and Ali probably all of them sleep with at least 2 guys. Are the Bachelors sluts too? Aside from Sean they all sleep with 2, or even 3 girls. Are we going to go double standard and say it’s okay for them because they are guys? It makes me sick. Andi is a grown woman and she can sleep with anyone she wants and it’s really none of our business trying to nit pick the “whys” of her decision and name calling her for it. I find it especially alarming when other women criticize her and use misogynistic words like “slut.” Where is the sisterhood, anyway? I know I wouldn’t want a whack of complete strangers judging my sense of sexual ethics and I don’t think she deserves this holier than thou judgment either.

  6. I’m on Twitter. I tend to follow and rarely tweet. I follow celebs, public people and news sources.

    I tweeted a comment to Josh The Athlete a few weeks back because dude tweeted out a shirtless picture of himself playing with his dog.

    I tried following him on Twitter today. He had blocked me. Take yourself a little serious, huh…..Athlete?

  7. kaynr: I’m with you. I thought Andi was bright, articulate, and a great lead.

    vessel: Yes! Yes! Yes! It is really disturbing that women would shame another woman for making her own personal choice about her sexuality. Disturbingly misogynistic stuff, for sure.

  8. I have no idea what slut-shaming is and how many people one must sleep with in what amount of time to be crowned a slut.

    I do not care.

    It is all about BIP now. I swear Lacy’s boobs grew during the episode. The producers must think we are all idiots or just don’t care, because there were so many manufactured/fake scenes.

    Here is one that has not yet been pointed out. It was supposedly the night after Lacy’s/Roberts’s date. They mentioned that they had not seen each other all day.

    How is that possible? Unless one of them just crashed the whole day, there is no where else to go, they would have seen each other.

  9. Also wanted to add my thumbs up agreement about Nick digging himself a deeper and deeper hole with continuing to spew his sour grapes.

    It’s an interesting divide between the pro Nick and anti Nick supporters and detractors.

    When you look at him as a whole on the show…..from his laser focus on getting the girl and strategizing at every step…..to his “I was wronged” need to call Andi out — the guy to me…..is a total weirdo.

    If he were a woman we’d write this off as another overly emotional female…..but on a guy? It could not be any less becoming.

  10. @BFW, maybe instead of wondering why Josh blocked you on Twitter, maybe you should be wondering why wouldn’t he block you? If some stranger I didn’t know sent me negative comments, I wouldn’t want to hear from them either. It’s hard enough dealing with the negative people we have to deal with, so why deal with the ones we don’t have to?

  11. Bachelor and Bachelorette are not your garden variety proposals. Did any of you sleep with two different people in two days and then accept a proposal from one of them right afterward? After having said you knew all along you wanted the one who proposed?

    I just think it is disrespectful to Josh and the engagement.

    I feel the same way about any lead who has sex with more than the person they are going to get engaged to. I thought Juan Pablo was a slut. Same with other leads. You can disagree with me. We are all entitled to our opinion.

  12. @goosie…..I thought about that. As an anonymous person, I would probably block someone who randomly said something negative.

    However, as a 15 minute celebrity, I would imagine I would receive many different types of comments, positive and negative. Unless someone was bombarding me with negativity I don’t think I would block someone for precisely the reason I mentioned. It would make me look too prickly and like I was taking myself just a wee bit too seriously. I hardly tweeted something viscious…..it was more of an eye roll comment.

  13. I was just reading what Nick wrote on his guest blog for Sean Lowe.

    He is practically becoming the poster child for Men Against Premarital “Making Love.” Meanwhile, it’s all such a transparent attempt to get back at Andi and Josh. Feigning naiveté, claiming being deeply in love after going on a few very heavily chaperoned and televised dates, and spending a few hours alone with a person – coming from a teenager I might try to believe it, but not a 33-year-old man.

    At least from now on any woman who becomes “deeply in love” with him and then “makes love” with him, will know she can expect an engagement ring soon thereafter! Because that’s the way he thinks it should roll. And if he doesn’t deliver, she can feel free about taking it to the media circuit.

  14. It takes a lot for me to actually LOL when watching tv, but Claire crying to the raccoon and then complaining about being bitten up by fire ants did it for me. I don’t know if they’re going to edit her to make her the comedic relief for BiP, but so far, so good.

  15. And now she doesn’t know what a “vista” is…OMG. She’s not really that funny, but the producers are sure having fun.

  16. Vessel— No one is slut shaming Andi. It doesn’t matter that she slept with Nick or anyone else, but she should be called out on how SHE TREATED HIM AFTERWARDS. Geez she needed to show an ounce of empathy for his feelings and it wouldn’t have been a topic at all. She can sleep with every guy and Chris H. and no one would care. It was more about her attitude and meanness she showed Nick. She acted throughout the season, why not continue at the ATFR? Eric was right about her.

  17. I’m with the others who thought Andi was a good lead. I thought she had depth, and so the season had more than normal depth, I just enjoyed it a lot more.

    I don’t think she owed Nick anything. And maybe she would have talked to him if it was the Nick she knew – but now she knows about the Nick Josh knew in the house – who would have filled her in on how cocky he was, how he was sure he was the one and said it to everyone, she probably even heard about things Nick said about her she might not appreciated. She also saw footage of Nick that she probably didn’t appreciate – most of us thought he was an ass.

    So, shes head over heels for Josh, and just wants to move on with that, and now she knows how much Josh dislikes Nick (along with a lot of other guys in the house she respected), along with the side of Nick she never knew before. She probably just wants to forget about the whole thing and move on – might even be a little embarrassed she fell for him for a while. Then she gets a letter from Nick that says she made the wrong choice? Why would she want to see him? If you were dating – I mean seriously involved with a guy that hated your ex, and was crazy about him – wouldn’t you want to respect your new love and just move on? And forget it ever happened? I think that’s why she downplayed how much she cared for him, about now really being in love with him – either she didn’t want to be, or she realized, that now with what she feels about Josh, that it wasn’t really in love like she might have thought at the time – because for her it’s 3 months later but for him it’s like she dumped him yesterday. They barely spent anytime together in the first place!

    I think this experience brought up a whole bunch of old feelings up for Nick from past relationships – and I think he needs some help with that. We all need a little help sometimes – but he’s not going to get it doing the media circuit. It’s just allowing him to hang on to it all even longer when he needs to understand why he had such a strong emotional reaction and explore the root of all that. Andi certainly won’t be able to provide him with any answers to that.

  18. This slut-shaming commentary is a hoot. Some of you will recall the numerous times RS has brought up the fact that Bob Guiney, I guess according to MF, slept with 4 1/2 girls and the blatant man whoring by Alex in the first Bachelor. I also recall Charlie treating the girls like his own personal harem. These guys were roundly criticized on this site, and in general, whenever the topic arose. Mostly, Sean has been applauded for his restraint (aside from the “grown sexy” stupidity that followed). So, I think it would be consistent to criticize Andi for mixing Nick and Josh’s bodily fluids on the overnights. I think as long as you’re consistent, it’s fine to take side that Andi was being slutty. I wouldn’t agree with a double standard where Bob was applauded and Andi criticized.

  19. I thought Andi was one of the best bachelorettes ever- until the AFR show. She was so cold to Nick. Apparently Nick tried unsuccessfully to talk to her prior to this live show, and he had every reason to believe he wouldn’t get another chance to speak to her, so in my opinion, he had every right to ask her why she led him on by sleeping with him if she was in love with someone else- and knowing how he felt about her. Not to mention, I would think Josh should know his fiancé slept with someone else days before their engagement. Yes, Josh knows she’s dating others- kissing them and possibly sharing the fantasy suite with 2 other guys. But you’d think she’d only sleep with the one she was in love with and would choose.

  20. I don’t think Andi owed Nick anything beyond what she gave him when she let him go. They are broken up, Nick needed to get back into real life and get over it already, sorry to sound harsh but freaking man up and move on. She didn’t let it get to the point of him choosing a ring, much less the humiliation of getting down on one knee. (That shows a lot more respect and kindness than other Bachelorettes have shown who HAVE let it get that far and then they dump the guy at the altar.) He was obsessive and stalker-esque and frankly 2.5 months later he still can’t accept that she is engaged to another man? Well that’s on him to work out on his own, or with counseling, and nothing Andi could say was going to offer him any consolation.

  21. The format is brutal where the lead breaks up with the F2 on the day of the proposal. Even though these people are part of a cast and are sometimes referred to as contestants, it does sound like real feelings develop for the people who make it to hometowns and beyond. Anyone who makes it to F2 is probably going to have their heart broken at least a little bit. The show has a pretty shocking format which is why people watch it. :)

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