Hi Steve! Just wondering if you know if ABC has ever fired employees for suspecting they are your sources? You’d think after so many seasons of spoilers that they would clean house at some point. Just curious
Comment: Not that I know of. But then again, you’re assuming all my spoilers come from ABC employees. I wouldn’t go that far.
Has ABC ever offered you a contract/money to not spoil the show? I assume no, but I’m curious. No. And they never would because that would essentially mean they’re admitting defeat, and they wouldn’t do that. If it EVER came to that, they would have to offer me more than what I’m making by doing what I do for me to even consider it. It’s just not gonna happen.
Have you confirmed when filming for The Bachelorette starts/started? I think you said Tuesday or Thursday this week so its possible one of the ladies already got the boot.
Comment: Filming starts today. As I said yesterday, I could know within 24 hours. I could know in 3 days. It could be a week. It could be spoiled on social media once dates start on Saturday. Or ABC could even release it. Do not worry. You’re going to know, and you’re going to know sooner rather than later.
I feel bad for one of the girls kicked off the Bachelorette. First she’s rejected by a one man, then rejected by 25 more. Ouch. Well that’s not true. Read page 1.
You’ve said you don’t know how there could be a way to pull off 2 Bachelorettes. Years ago there was a show on VH1 called Real Chance of Love that had 2 brothers do the exact thing. There should be a way to spice up the tired, old franchise, perhaps they could get some ideas from that old show.
Their summary says “In each episode, the ladies will compete in challenges designed to test for the qualities Chance and Real are looking for in a woman. The winners will go on dates with their man. At the end of each episode, Chance and Real will pick which of the girls each of them would like to continue to date, and send one woman home broken-hearted.”
Comment: But this isn’t MTV and this isn’t “Real Chance of Love.” Britt and Kaitlyn actually have real names that appeared on their birth certificate, not silly made up TV names. You’re comparing apples and oranges.
Read this or not, I’m just writing it to give some fan perspective but in the end, I can’t force you to read anything.
Let me start off by saying I’m not for two bachelorettes for two reasons. One, the two bachelorettes were announced THE DAY after International Women’s Day, and to many, this was a slap to the face of feminism. I understand it is for ratings but for a show were majority of the fan base is female, I think it was an incredibly risky decision. The Bachelorette gives the woman autonomy and they’ve taken that away by letting the men choose who the Bachelorette will be on the FIRST NIGHT. We all know they will choose based on looks and who they would rather sleep with since they won’t have time to get to know Britt or Kaitlyn (unless they watched the Bachelor). It’s insulting as a female because throughout life we constantly compare ourselves to other women and are overwhelmed by society telling us how to look and what beauty is. Overall, every woman at one point believes they are not beautiful enough. Then there are people who say “beauty is on the inside”, which honestly is far more meaningful and truthful yet rarely supported by society. The first night will completely contradict beauty being on the inside and will showcase first hand how women are compared and defined as “wife material” based on looks alone. One woman will be deemed prettier than the other and this is what society constantly brainwashes us to believe. If we are not as beautiful as the woman next to us, then say goodbye to a chance at getting men to notice you. As a marketing major, I understand ratings, believe me I do, but with a massive female fan base, I think they are walking on thin ice. Second, most fans want to see Kaitlyn and don’t like Britt (I know you do but majority do not). I think overall, they’re heading for a decrease in ratings if they aren’t careful. One, because females are sickened by this decision to have Britt and Kaitlyn chosen by the men, and two, because a lot of Kaitlyn fans or non-fans of Britt do not want to see her dramatic season. I know you said people will watch regardless but I think you underestimate morals or fan loyalty. Majority of feminists already find the bachelor disturbing and now many will use this as a reason to quit watching. Additionally, loyalty is huge and many fans are loyal to the bachelor/bachelorette, not the show itself. Just look at ratings for the TV show Reign and you’ll see they’ve plummeted due to Mary and Francis not being together. Fans have been saying they’re going to stop watching until the show fixes it and with ratings decreasing, some are clearly holding true to that. Don’t underestimate the will and loyalty of the people, especially angry females that make up a majority of the fan base.
You wrote recently about how you found it interesting that Kaitlyn dominated one poll and that now Britt is dominating another poll. There is a very simple reason for that. When fans were voting in the previous poll, they had it in their minds there would be only one bachelorette and no competition would be used to decide the next bachelorette. Kaitlyn won by a landslide because she is what MAJORITY of bachelor nation wants to see. I personally LOVE Kaitlyn but I’m not ignorant, I know Britt has a following too. However I’ve been looking closely these past few weeks at social media and fan reactions. If you look during shows, especially after the announcement, MAJORITY of fans were angry Kaitlyn didn’t get the position by herself. #TeamKaitlyn trended on twitter. Britt started trending too but majority of tweets claimed she’s terrible and they won’t watch if she wins. Occasionally there were pro Britt tweets but CLEARLY, the fans wanted Kaitlyn while the producers wanted ratings. With that being said, fans are saying guys are more likely to choose Britt because let’s be honest, it’ll be a popularity competition between the two of them and while I think Kaitlyn is prettier, I think majority of guys will deem Britt as prettier. So in your first poll, yes, I voted Kaitlyn because she seemed the most popular and the most likely to generate ratings. In your second poll, I voted Britt solely because men will go off looks alone and Britt can be very persuasive. I think if you had Bachelor Nation choose between the two, it would easily be Kaitlyn (even based on previous contestant preferences). I know the show can rig it in Kaitlyn’s favor and very well could do that, but part of me believes they want to make a “villain Bachelorette”. I guess we will see.
Lastly, like I said, I was always Team Kaitlyn. I never approved of Britt and it’s not because she’s the prettiest girl in the room but it was because of how she came off. I think Britt is stunningly beautiful and at times has a solid personality, however, something about her bothered me. For two years I was in a mentally abusive relationship where I was constantly manipulated and from fairly early on Britt rubbed me the wrong way. It wasn’t until I saw some of her interactions with Chris that I realized it was because I felt she was manipulative, and having been manipulated myself, I felt like she was saying what Chris wanted to hear and what would make her look good. She’s pretty while being eloquent and meticulous with her words. When she freaked out about Kaitlyn getting a rose on the group date is when I really just did not like her. I get being upset but talk to him one on one, not in front of the other two girls. Understand you still have a shot at getting the rose during the ceremony and naturally, you will not always be first based on past history of the show itself. She became incredibly dramatic after that and when she was saying she would eliminate herself it CAME OFF as her trying to either end it first or to make him beg for her to stay. I do admit, the other girls were pretty harsh on her but at the same time, I understood the point they were trying to make. She cried more than the average person (her and Ashley I. both) and as a woman, I (and I think a lot of females) want a strong female that can roll with the punches and not constantly play the victim like Britt seems to do. This leaves Kaitlyn as the better option (in MY opinion). Additionally, when I saw she was a “waitress in Hollywood” I looked her up on IMDB and of course saw she was in a few minor films. This just made me wonder if she was really there for Chris or did she want to be the Bachelorette to launch her acting career. I believe the latter. During Women Tell All, I admired her for standing up for herself but at the same time I got the impression she was trying to repair her image and campaign for the Bachelorette again. Overall, I just feel Kaitlyn is more genuine and likable and would be a better Bachelorette.
In the end, the producers can absolutely rig the show to go the way they want. I honestly will still be rooting for Kaitlyn but overall, I think there were other ways they could have increased ratings that didn’t sacrifice the feelings of contestants or people watching at home. Rejection by one guy is bad enough but 25 is brutal and by the Bachelor/Bachelorette not caring about feelings, they will run into hot water. Yes we as a society thrive on drama, but we also are a generation of change and no one wants to see a woman being handed to the wolves like the Bachelorette plans on doing to start off the season. Feminism is on the rise, just look at stars like Emma Watson who try to repair the image of feminism and call for men to even get on board. The show should take that into consideration because a LOT of people are upset about pitting women against each other during a show where THEY SHOULD BE in power themselves as well as people are mad that Kaitlyn is being “screwed over” by producers when she was clearly the fan favorite.
Thanks for reading or not, choice is yours.
Comment: This “pitting women against each other” and “sexism” and “being rejected by 25 guys” stuff I really just don’t understand. I’m not seeing that at all. And when both of these women voluntarily agreed to do this, why is the show taking so much heat for it? Either one of these girls could’ve said, “No, I’m not comfortable with this. I’m not doing it.” But they weren’t and they didn’t. So why are we so upset about it when, yeah they might not think it’s ideal, but they still agreed to it?
Not sure if you can answer this because it could give information on your sources but curious as to why your sources don’t spoil the show themselves, why they feed you information instead. Assuming they are in positions where it could jeopardize their jobs or something.
Also do they get any compensation from you?
Love your site!
PS I saw a question asking which season the winner went first. i believe it was Jesse Palmer’s season because the runner up was on the side of a road throwing up (Tara?)
Comment: I don’t pay my sources. Don’t need to.
What forum would they have to release this info where people would believe it anyway?
Let’s be real, this show hasn’t made it this many seasons because the producers are a bunch of idiots. This Bachelorette^2 move is brilliant. They are leaning toward Kaitlyn, but Britt has a fan base. Kaitlyn’s garnering considerably more support. Andi’s season, if I remember correctly, saw lower ratings than previous seasons. So what do we do?
We ask Britt to come on as a competitor. Britt is building her brand. She’s gorgeous. She’s come to expect that men will fall all over themselves for her, as they have in the past. Of course she will agree to do it; of course she will expect to be chosen by the men. And people will tune in to see how it plays out. When the men choose Kaitlyn, we will have a major Britt Breakdown (some alliteration for you, Steve), and the majority of viewers will be cheering on the new and unusually spunky Bachelorette.
Why would the women agree to do this? Britt is supremely confident that men will choose her over Kaitlyn. And all exposure is good exposure as far as her career aspirations are concerned. But why would Kaitlyn agree? Kaitlyn has been assured that she’ll win. She certainly didn’t, however, seem entirely convinced on ATFR. And her insecurity will draw even more sympathy from viewers.
I’ve seen a number of reporters and viewers commenting on Harrison’s affection for Britt. But in his TV Guide interview, he says “[he] loved it” when the audience booed Britt. They owe her no loyalty. She’s money. Period. And if they can make money off of further humiliating her, they will do it.
And for the record, I despise when people speculate and predict the season with a ridiculous authoritative voice. But this scenario seems on par with the skeezy manipulations of producers past.
Comment: Interesting theory.
I know you’ve shared details about the casting timeline, and so it bothers me every time I hear a contestant say things like, “I’m only on the show because it’s you,” or, like in the case of Whitney, she said something along the lines of (paraphrased) ‘My friends and I were watching the show and they all thought Chris would be a great match for me so when I heard he was going to be the next Bachelor I decided to apply.’ Is this just a complete lie? Didn’t she have to apply to be a contestant long before the new Bachelor was announced or even under consideration? Do they ever add cast members after the Bachelor (ette) is announced, or do cast members ever find out who it is and then remove themselves from the show? Now I’m thinking about the Britt/Kaitlyn situation. Have the upcoming cast members been told yet who the two Bachelorettes are? Have they been able to watch the show if they’re being sequestered now? I’m curious as to how it all works since I always notice when it’s mentions and the obvious falseness annoys me (of course much of it is false, but still). What insights can you share?
Clearly continuously confused
Comment: A lot of questions in there.
Whitney was obviously in the casting process before Chris was selected. She was going through it as Andi’s season was airing, so she could see it was possible it could be him. And yes, she could’ve pulled out if they decided they didn’t want Chris.
They’ve only done the early announcement a few times. Emily was announced in January, 2 months before her filming started. Juan Pablo was announced on Des’ ATFR in August, so about 6 weeks before he started filming. All the other ones are announced right around the time filming begins.
I’m sure all the guys this season will know tonight going in they’ll be voting. But it’s not like they knew 2 weeks ago. They all found out Monday if they read my blog earlier in that day, or by Monday night, when it became official.
Your site is the most consistently entertaining thing I read! It really helps me get through some long days!
I understand this might not get posted, since the season has ended, but in hearing opinions about whether or not Chris and Whitney will last, I think a couple things have been overlooked. There has been a lot of talk about how awful Arlington is. While it probably isn’t the right place for the fame-hungry women on the show, a lot of people would happily move to an area like that if it meant they’d have a happy home life and financial security. It’s also been mentioned that it would be tough giving up a job to move to a new place.
I think there is a bigger issue that spells “doom” for these two. It’s obvious there are huge relationship inequalities, way more than for most of these TV couples, that would leave most women uncomfortable, if not seething.
1. Obviously, the lead has a lot of power over the women throughout the show. If a woman talks back to him, it is likely that she will go home and get humiliated on national television. That sets up a pretty unequal relationship.
2. On top of that, Chris is asking a hell of a lot from a woman he barely knows: to leave her home, family and friends, give up their job to move to an area with little opportunity. Most importantly, she will have to give up some of her financial security. Whitney even mentioned becoming a full-time mom. Do you really think Chris is ready to start sharing his checking account with a woman he’s only known for several months? That is a difficult dynamic.
3. From what he said on the show, he plans to keep his current home. That means Whitney will move into his home, where he has his routine and way of doing things. She will have to conform again.
4. This guy just has to live in Arlington in his house with his current job, which is why Whitney has to sacrifice so much. But, now he’s decided to up-and-move to LA for a new TV show. Once again, Whitney will have to tag along as Chris does what he wishes.
So, yeah, the move to Arlington will be difficult, but that’s not the problem. Any woman in her right mind would point out these inequalities, and it does not look like Chris deals with conflict well. This arrangement might work with a well-established couple with a lot of trust, but this is too forced of a situation for that. I give it 5 or 6 months, depending on how long they fake it. I had to write in, because I saw a poll where the majority of people said they thought they would last.
Go on with your bad self!
Comment: All very good points. There’s a reason this show is 1-for-19 in producing marriages from the lead and the final girl he chose.
I think ABC does “Payoffs” (for lack of a better term) sometimes. Carly really did look the “mean girl” to Britt. Of course ABC used it to their advantage climaxing with the scene of Britt crying and wailing outside the night she left with Chris & the others listening inside. You know ABC feels bad about some of that stuff. So they let Britt have her turn, made room for her too. I am Team Britt, BTW. But the fans wanted Kaitlyn and I think ABC wanted Britt purely for ratings, financial reasons, but ABC didn’t want to upset the fans and NOT pick Kaitlyn. (Becca would have been the best choice, really.) So there you go 2 bachelorettes. ABC does walk a fine line trying to keep everyone happy. Remember Ashley’s season with JP. Do you remember how many guys left ON THEIR OWN?? I thought it was really embarrassing. That show really is crazy… crazy good!
Comment: I guess that’s one way to look at it.
I kind of get the feeling that producers have another twist up their sleeves. Do you think maybe producers planned to do the Jay/Byron format but decided against it because of the “anti-femenist/misogynistic” backlash?
Comment: It doesn’t seem like they’re gonna change their mind, but we’ll know shortly.
Thought you might enjoy this conversation I had on Twitter. This person created their account Tuesday morning. First time I’ve encountered the crazy people you deal with on a daily basis. Holy cow. ????????
From a long time reader
Comment: Unfortunately, it’s the world we live in. Social media can be a hell of a place sometimes, can’t it? That person obviously has social issues and can say all that with zero repercussions. They’re just a troll. Unfortunately there’s stuff that’s a gazillion times worse than that that’s said every day on Twitter. Be thankful that was as tame as it was. Sad.