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21 Comments

21 Comments

  1. LynnS

    July 24, 2015 at 7:46 AM

    Steve says that if the bachelorette is proposed to, she has to accept. It’s in her contract. What? Are we living in a country where arranged marriages are legal?

    I’ve heard him say this several times now. But how can a person be forced to accept an engagement? I don’t get it. We live in a free country and cannot be compelled to accept an engagement – even if it is in the contract. We do have freedom to choose who we want to marry, and accepting an engagement on your terms is part of that freedom.

  2. vessel

    July 24, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    Yeah I’m a little hazy on that as well. Does that mean that Juan Pablo essentially broke his contract by not proposing? When Steve says it’s a contractual obligation I take it to mean she’s agreed to accept a proposal but if it comes down to it and she tells them “no way” they will badger her to accept like crazy but she could still say no and be faced with a possible lawsuit. According to Steve they probably wouldn’t really pursue legal action, though, because it makes them look bad.

  3. LynnS

    July 24, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    To me, it is laughable that lawyers would actually put in the contract that if the Bachelorette is proposed to, she must accept. It goes against the person’s civil liberties.

  4. janela

    July 24, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    I’m guessing that because it is almost more common to break an engagement in our culture than it is to follow through on getting married that producers and participants aren’t considering it very absurd that it is in the contract. Contestants make the big dramatic proposal episode and then just wait a couple months and break it off.

  5. adrie

    July 25, 2015 at 6:03 AM

    What I don’t get is how she was allowed to say no to Nick based on this “must accept” business. Did Shawn see her first that day hence she accepts Shawns then rejects Nick? Or did producers tell her beforehand you can expect two proposals today and you are allowed to decline one? What happened Steve??

  6. vessel

    July 25, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    @adrie this has happened before a few times. Nick proposes first and she says no and sends him away. It’s allowed because producers know she’s going to say “yes” to Shawn who will inevitably come next. It happened the same way with Both Ashley and DeAnna. Anyone remember another Bachelorette who had both final 2 guys propose?

  7. adrie

    July 26, 2015 at 2:08 AM

    @vessel – but does Kaitlyn know? For example is Kaitlyn standing there thinking “oh crap I am contractually obligated to accept nicks proposal” and therefore she should be saying yes orrrrr do the producers get in and tell her before the final “you can expect two proposals and reject one”?

  8. sparkly

    July 26, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    I think that the contractual obligation to accept a proposal only applies to her final pick. Since she chose Shawn, if he proposes, then she must accept. She doesn’t have to accept a proposal from Nick, just because he proposed. He wasn’t her final pick. That is the only way it makes sense.

  9. brick

    July 26, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    So bachelorettes are under a contractual obligation to accept a proposal from their chosen final pick. What of the bachelors – what are they under contractual obligation to do? Propose? Despite someone like Brad deciding not to I guess.

  10. brick

    July 26, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    As much as I don’t normally like Bachelor in Paradise it’s going to be nice to turn on the TV Monday nights and not see Kaitlyn after tomorrow night. It’s nothing personal but definitely time for a break from Kaitlyn. It’ll be telling of the level of seriousness of Kaitlyn and Shawn to find out what city they plan to live together. My guess is they’ll go for LA. Or that she will.

  11. vessel

    July 26, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    @brick Juan Pablo didn’t propose so I think “contractually obligated” has some wiggle room. If you don’t care about being expelled from the ‘Bachelor Family’ like Juan Pablo is then F the contract, I guess.

    @adrie Yeah Kaitlyn knows. Producers tell her both guys have the Neil Lane rings and she has to reject one. They know Shawn is her choice so Nick is sent to the little proposal altar first and she says “no”. I mean I’m basing that on the two other Bachelorette seasons I remember where this scenario played out, that’s how it went down. This season? All bets are off, it’s been so weird.

    You’d think by now that the reject would know based on the fact it’s mid-day and they ALWAYS use a sunset proposal. Meh, who knows. Maybe Nick just didn’t care and went through it anyway. When you hear how horrible these people are according to Jason Mesnick I’d guess they browbeat and sleep deprive you into doing almost anything.

  12. duckquack

    July 26, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    Trista had 2 guys propose..
    Jen Scheft being the bachelorette did not accept a proposal, only dating.
    A bachelorette or bachelor do not have to accept the proposal….

  13. stevely

    July 27, 2015 at 4:42 AM

    Juan Pablo wasn’t expelled from the Batchelor franchise because he didn’t propose. Brad Somebody didn’t propose because and they brought him back a second time. Juan Pablo got in trouble from their a) Andi Kaufmann post-coitus edit b) the fact that he was supposed to propose to Nikki on the After the Final Rose (in exchange for money) but he backed out – without telling them – after he got canned from Dancing with the Stars due to the negativity from the post-coitus Andi Kaufmann edit that he got hit with.

  14. vessel

    July 27, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    It’s Andi Dorfman. And I think Juan Pablo got cut from DWTS because of the anti gay slurs he made to the press.

    Steve has said after Brad 1.0 proposed to no one they changed the contract to indicate that a proposal must be extended/accepted. How far they would take it if it doesn’t happen (ie. legal action) is the question.

  15. kmannone723

    July 27, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    Yes Steve there is a Cooking Channel. The Celebrity Worst Cooks that Chris Soules will be on premieres in the fall on Food Network.

  16. cjscjs711

    July 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    @vessel That was my understanding about DWTS and Juan Pablo – the anti-gay slurs. He tried to say it was a language barrier, but no one believed that. What did he mean by saying, “more perverted”? Hard to get out of that one.

    I think the enforcement of the clause probably depends on the circumstances. If saying “No” to all proposals would give them good TV or better, I doubt they’d enforce it. Just like the clause about no spilling the beans — on social media Snapchat or talking loudly on a plane about losing, while eating Cheetos…..

  17. flightgirl

    July 27, 2015 at 8:28 PM

    The most annoying part of tonight’s ATFR was Chris H. asking Nick and Kaitlyn over and over about their “past relationship” going into the show. How many ways do they need to answer the same lame question??

  18. brick

    July 28, 2015 at 5:56 AM

    The one thing that surprised me is at the end I was a slightly bigger fan of Nick’s than anyone else (Kaitlyn or Shawn). I started out not liking any of the three. If Kaitlyn was really as honest, ballsy and independent as she likes to tell herself, she could have said no to the producers and let Nick down easy before he went through his whole speech. She could have stopped him earlier even if it was after he got out of the limo and not as early as Andi insisted on (who I have more respect for in that regard).

    Kaitlyn does as producers tell her and I’m inclined to believe she and Shawn aren’t as strong as they’re making out to be, that it’s an act to keep producers happy for the time being and let’s face it, they both get something out of it with the continued appearances and publicity. I think the immature, crude, nose picking, Kaitlyn was the worst bachelorette in the history of the show. RS may think K and S are still lovey dovey, but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought that her Snapchat leak was accidental.

  19. missannmcd

    July 28, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    brick: 1) No one has ever done anything so scandalous as pick their nose in the history of the world. 2) I smell a whole lot of jealousy….hmmm

  20. brick

    July 28, 2015 at 5:56 PM

    missannmcd, don’t quit your day job to become a shrink. People have no reason to be jealous of a girl like Kaitlyn who grew up in a redneck town in Alberta and shows it. And actually yes, in last week’s episode Kaitlyn actually did pick her nose for the cameras while laughing hysterically about it. Go back and re-watch, but you need to have your eyes open first. She’s a rather plain looking girl with the body of a pre-teen. Crude, vulgar and immature. Not much to be jealous about. It’s a parent’s role to love and accept their offspring unconditionally perhaps – warts and all – NOT the viewers’ job.

  21. brick

    July 28, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    missannmcd, people often admire those they’d most like to be like. In which case I honestly feel a bit sorry for you, that your standards are so low as to put someone like Kaitlyn on a pedestal. If you want to idolize someone perhaps a bit of discernment would go a long way.

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