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“Reader Emails,” & Deleted Scenes from This Week

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Hey Steve!

We’ve learned from your site that the show controls many aspects of contestants/winners lives. When a couple from the franchise gets married, do they sign any agreements regarding what would happen if they divorce? I would guess the show would want the rights to announce and first interviews, but how much else would be controlled by the franchise and their PR machine?

Thanks for all you do!

Comment: Not sure about that. I mean, it is pretty amazing that of the few marriages they have, all of them are still going strong and none have gotten divorced. Although, this Marcus/Lacy whatever-they-want-to-call-it certainly isn’t looking great right about now. But again, we saw 10 minutes of their wedding and people are way less invested in them.
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Steve,

I haven’t watched a single episode of the bachelor/bachelorette/BIP in about five years, but I still love to read your spoilers before each season… Way better than the real thing! Anyway, the main reason I emailed you is to say thank you for your relentless plugging of Friday night lights for all these years. I’ve been reading you since back before Jason/Melissa/Molly, so I’ve heard your praise of FNL for a very long time. I’m a resident physician and mom, so I don’t ever get a chance to binge watch anything. However, I recently had reconstructive surgery on my foot, and I chose to start watching FNL while I’m laid up recovering. I’m almost through the entire series and I can’t wait to watch it again. Seriously, thanks for the recommendation. It’s a fantastic show… definitely my new favorite.

Clear eyes, Full hearts, can’t lose!

Comment: Yesssssss!!!!! Another convert. I wouldn’t lie about something like that. It’s a great dramatic television show. One of the best network TV dramas in the last 20 years, and one of the more realistic depictions of a husband and wife that we’ve ever seen. If not the MOST realistic married couple ever on TV.
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Hi Steve,

Thought you’d be interested to know that the guy who played Adam (the Bachelor) in UnREAL last year has a small part in 13 Hours. So strange to see him in a serious role after watching UnREAL (but I highly recommend 13 Hours – excellent, super intense movie).

Comment: Haven’t seen “13 Hours” yet, but when reading a review, I remembered seeing the name “Freddie Stroma” in the credits, and I knew that was Adam from UnREAL.
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Hi Steve,

Question- Des just posted something for her and Chris’ one year anniversary and mentioned she is sorry they couldn’t share their whole day with everyone. Just a thought-do you think they’re angry with the bachelor franchise for not airing their wedding which is why they haven’t really associated with them since? Like on episode 1 of Ben’s season Chris Siegfried should have been been there giving advice, not Chris Soules. Do you agree?

Comment: Do I think they’re angry? I’m sure they are to certain extent. Do they hate the franchise? I doubt it. Because without the franchise, they wouldn’t be married. But absolutely I’m sure they’re scratching their head as to why Tanner & Jade get a TV wedding and they were the only engaged couple from the “Bachelor/ette” franchise NOT to get one.

I mean, they kinda have stayed associated with them. At least up to this point. Remember, they were on the Rose Parade float last year, we’ve seen them at “Tell All” shows, and they were in the BIP 2 finale last season to talk to the final couples.
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I am part owner of a local family business.

The rep from one of our vendors a few years ago mentioned The Bachelor and we talked about it several times, and I mentioned your site as a source for my knowledge. Though our conversations are not strictly about the show, it was a topic starter.

Last week he told me that the company’s other rep was retiring soon and he wanted to recommend me to take his place, which would all but guarantee me the job. Being a family business, I had to politely turn him down though.

This company is ridiculous in how they treat employees. The average employee has been there 26 years or something like that. The job is basically entertaining the clients, schmoozing them with dinners, ski vacations ( I don’t ski), golf trips to some of the best courses in the country, dinners out, tickets to shows and big sporting events (Super Bowl, The Masters, , etc)

Wait… Why the **** did I turn it down?

Just thought you would like to know that your impact goes beyond your site.

And No, I can’t help you get your resume in for the job…

Comment: Yeah, exactly. Why did you turn it down? And if you ever end up accepting it, I’ll only ask for 10% of your income, since my site essentially got you the job.
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A few disclaimers first:

1) I am well aware that Jubilee is an adult who decided to come on this program and is fully responsible for the decisions she makes and things she says.

2) I recognize that everything the viewing audience sees is heavily edited.

All that being said, though, I am an adoptive parent and recognize a lot of things Jubilee is doing as relatively typical behaviors for people who have been adopted. This is not a blanket statement by any means and I’m obviously not as valid as someone who was adopted, but when addressing my children’s behaviors the first thing I always think is “they are coming from a place of trauma and loss.” And I let that affect my perception of what my children are experiencing.

As an adoptive parent watching her, a lot of the time my heart just felt sad for her. While she made the choice to go on this show that is, essentially, a constant fear of rejection, I can’t imagine coming from a place of loss and have that looming.

From what I’ve understood and what you have written, it makes me physically angry to watch the girls buy into the drama that production is creating. I understand I am coming from a protective parent perspective, but it all just struck me as really tasteless. (Which, I know, I shouldn’t expect them to be classy.)

That you know of, was there more to what happened that night than we saw? I’m just trying to make sense of what I just saw.

Thanks!

Comment: With Jubilee’s date? Nothing too out of the ordinary that I know of. I think Jubilee is a complicated person with a very complicated past, whose presence on this show is questionable. Then again, the second production found out about that backstory, it makes all the sense in the world as to why they’d cast her. They eat up stories like that.
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Hi, I was wondering if past Bachelor/Bachelorette seasons would ever be put on Netflix or Hulu or ABC’s website? I’d be curious to watch one of the first few seasons to see how it compares to later ones.

Thanks!

Comment: I think you can purchase some past seasons on Amazon Prime. I’m not sure why every season isn’t available on any of those outlets the second the season is over. I don’t understand that side of their business. They aren’t very big on the digital side.
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Hi Steve!

So glad that your weekly columns are back! This show is such a mess and if it weren’t for your entertaining commentary and spoilers I probably would not even bother watching it…

-Olivia initially seemed like such a strange fit for this show. Out of all the women she was one of the few who actually had a real occupation. JoJo the 24 year old house flipper? Please. The occupations of most of these women are extra laughable this season. I imagine if most of them had to provide verifiable proof of income that would be a fail. Olivia seemed like an intelligent woman who actually had a promising career in reporting. She is very well spoken and articulate. She comes across 10 years older than she is. I think that is part of why she initially seemed so out of place in this group…That being said, it is becoming painfully obvious that she is looking to just get her name out there even if it is thru “bad” publicity. I imagine that she knew exactly what she was doing when she decided to give these vulture like producers so much material to work with. Thoughts? I think the exact opposite. I think Olivia was clueless while she was there about how she was coming across. There have been plenty like her before, and there will be plenty like her in the future. When you’re in that moment, nobody really has the foresight to know how what they’re saying during filming will come across to 8 million Americans a couple months later. You don’t think, you just do.

-From the way you initially described Caila, I think people were expecting someone totally different. She is coming across mature and very put together, easily the most tolerable person there. But…something seems off. Do you know more about her than what you are putting out there right now? Is the show choosing to edit her in a certain way on purpose? We’re only 3 episodes in. And I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment she’s mature, put together, and most tolerable. I guess people see different things, but that’s not what I see. Not that she’s some loose cannon or anything like that, but nothing about her strikes me immediately as, “Oh yeah, definitely most mature and put together in the house.”

-Prediction…This cast is going to be the most eager bunch of Instagram promoters to ever come out if this show. I get that there is money to be made thru Instagram promoting, but really. Some of the stuff they hock on there is so ridiculous. Kaitlyn and Shawn seem together solely for this purpose. Anyway…I think that 99% of people come on this show now for that reason…gaining social media followers in order to promote something. How long will the show be able to continue if this is what it is becoming known for? Casting people who are pretty much there to build their ridiculous social media following. I think viewers are going to start getting tired of The Bachelor’s “formula” a lot quicker now knowing that most if these people are there for a specific reason that didn’t even exist a few years ago.

Comment: Yes, that is absolutely why 99% of the contestants now are coming on this show, however, I don’t think it affects their casting at all. I really don’t. If anything, I think more and more people will want to come on the show to promote themselves, meet other people the franchise, and eventually pimp products online. Hey, Ashley I. has a new fake eyelash line!
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Hi there Steve,

Last night was one of the more fascinating shows this franchise has ever produced. First you have the obviously terrified Jubilee, awkwardly saying someone else should go on the date because she’s scared of helicopters (when really she was afraid of rejection). Then you have the stunningly real conversation they had at dinner. Wow. I sat there thinking, “she’s alone in the world, and scared…and probably in over her head on this crazy show. Thank goodness Ben is being so nice to her.” It was moving to watch.

I was glad to see that, but what really became fascinating was watching the other girls’ condescension to Jubilee when it became obvious that she had a successful date with Ben. That whole sequence could be the subject of a graduate seminar on sociology and race. Consider the following:

1. Olivia has been deliberately antagonizing these women from the first day, hogging Ben’s time, playing mind-games, even trash talking a bit. But she’s a hot blonde, and therefore intimidating. Plus, people sort of expect that your average twentysomething white dude would like the hot blonde. So, no confrontation, no need to drag her in front of a group and basically check her driver’s license and make sure she has a right to be there. They mutter about Olivia, but they’ve learned to live with her.

2. Jubilee basically took real estate that the other girls didn’t expect to lose. After all, she’s black, and with African-American features (lips, hips). Ben isn’t supposed to like her. She’s supposed to know that she doesn’t have a real shot at this. Why else would they so deliberately recast her nervous comments about the helicopter as something “incredibly hurtful”, and portray her as thinking “she’s the Queen Bee”? Girl needs to learn her place…

3. Fascinating also that this charge is led by Amber, herself a mixed race girl, but much more Caucasian in her features. Watching her trying to dress down Jubilee (and right in front of Ben no less!), it was as though the subtext was, “you’re not the right type of black girl for this crowd, honey.” It was mean in a way that I doubt Ben fully understood, even though he did ultimately defend Jubilee.

4. Notice that when Jubilee didn’t want to cooperate with the firing squad of girls who wanted to “talk” to her, that was also portrayed as arrogance, when it was quite obvious that Jubilee was intimidated by it and thought it was unfair.

5. Any of those girls would deny being racist, and would probably be offended at the very idea of it, reciting a list of black people they are on friendly terms with.

6. For once, reality TV got real. Wow.

Comment: All excellent points.
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From your 81 year old young @ heart cheerleader????

Dear Steve:

You have stated many times that you would advise against all young woman not to go on the Bachelor, and I agree! Since many of them read your column, can you please list the reasons why they should not go on!! Because I think so many of them have the mindset of, “Well, as long as I don’t say or do anything stupid, they can’t make me look bad,” which couldn’t be further from the truth. They can make anyone look how they want. Not to mention, every season a lot of girls say and do stupid things.

Also, you never mention why the guys should or shouldn’t go on the Bachelorette; why or why not?

Your spoilers are very good and precise????

Comment: Pretty much for the same reason. I think a lot of them have an arrogance that they’ll come off looking good, and as we know, that’s very rarely the case.
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Hi Steve!

My husband and I have done several Vegas trips and love it, but I finally convinced him to have us book the Palazzo for our next trip in a few weeks. We typically hang around City Center or Wynn, but we want to try some new places in the Venetian/Palazzo area and I know you’ve said you only stay at the Palazzo. Do you have favorite places to eat? I’ve heard good things about the Lagasse’s Stadium, too. We’re looking for anything from casual dining and midday drinks, to a fancy dinner. My favorite restaurant over there is Delmonico Steakhouse. It’s in between the walkway from Venetian to Palazzo. Legasse’s Stadium is the worst sports book on the strip in my opinion. I think it’s a dumb, too cramped, food sucks, and the TV’s are small. But hey, I’m picky when it comes to my sportsbooks. Venetian has the best one in my opinion.

And did you have any insight into Jenny Mollen no longer being on the after show, or did I miss it? I know she was on for After Paradise, which is technically different…and at first I didn’t like her on the show…but now that I’ve sat through several BORING after shows, I feel like they’re needing someone like her to keep the conversation more interesting. Or really, it just needs to be cancelled ASAP! But if it has to be on, don’t make it so embarrassingly lame.

Thanks!

Comment: Not sure why she wasn’t invited back, but personal opinion, is that her humor is not made for that show. If you’re gonna let her on, let her do what she does. But it’s not a good match for their audience in my opinion.
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Hey Steve,

Just now reading today’s recap. More recent than Matt’s season, Sean had a one on one date with a black contestant. I believe her name was Leslie Hughes. It was a “pretty woman” date where she got to wear diamonds, but she got sent home before the date ended and if I’m not wrong the musician they had lined up for the cheesy private concert ended up playing to an empty room.

Comment: Yes, I believe I received a total of 17 emails today regarding that date I forgot. I counted. You are correct. No need to print all 17.
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As far as the whole Mike Fleiss – “Bachelorette of Color” article — Do you think they would possibly try and say that making Caila the next bachelorette would be a diverse choice? Based on your comments of her being ‘always on’, I’m curious if she could potentially be the lead next year as she falls in the top 3 pattern. I’m also curious if we’ll ever hear any of the girls say anything about it. My guess is no since the producers have picked Olivia to target. (Sorry if you already put this in a blog post that I missed.)

As always – thanks for your fun and sarcastic blogging!

Comment: Well if they are being truthful with their “non-white Bachelorette” comments, then yes, I think it’d be her. But we have no idea if they were just saying that or blowing smoke up everyone’s asses like they usually do.
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Hi Steve!

Love your site. I was just writing because I noticed something that could effect your predictions that I wanted to point out.

ABC’s official Bachelor brackets have Ben going from 8 girls to 4 girls in one episode, while your predictions include a Final 6 episode separately. My guess is that because there are a good amount of eliminations that don’t happen in Rose Ceremonies, they edited those episodes together? I don’t know. Wanted to let you know so you could update your predictions accordingly.

Thanks so much for your hard work!

Comment: Yeah, the ABC “Bachelor” bracket never has each episode breakdown with the correct number of girls. Not relevant. What you see in the spoilers is how the breakdown goes.

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  1. angelfish

    January 20, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    The reason they didn’t have Chris Sigfried come to “advise” Ben was because he was never The Bachelor. He was simply a contestant. Chris Soules, Sean & Jason were there to let Ben know what it was like to be the man in front and the new face of the franchise. They were all leads and that’s completely different from what Mr. Chris Hartsock was.

  2. kmannone723

    January 20, 2016 at 12:32 PM

    I don’t think Calia would be a good bachelorette in my opinion she seems too immature to me. If I was to pick a non-white Bachelorette that might be more interesting I would pick Jubilee personally. They’ve had a military Bachelor Andrew Baldwin I believe why not a military bachelorette?

  3. kmannone723

    January 20, 2016 at 12:47 PM

    If they want Calia for Bachelorette they might as well have Britt because they are so similar in personality my nickname for Calia is Britt 2.0

  4. rob22

    January 20, 2016 at 2:37 PM

    I think MF might have backed himself into a corner with the whole “diverse” Bachelorette comment. If he goes with Caila, of course, people aren’t going to necessarily agree that she’s that diverse. Half Asian is diverse? OK. He’s obviously not going to go with Jubilee, or the edit would have been better.

    My bet is that he ends up with another white Bachelorette. Forcing Caila or even Jubilee into the equation when the formula will call for popularity on Social Media…. ehhhh…. I don’t see it.

    Also, I cannot believe what a non factor Becca is in this show. Though, I guess if I think about it, she was just kind of there in Chris’ season too….. but she just kept on getting roses until, wow, she’s in the F4, then the F3, then the F2. I’m not saying she didn’t have her fans, but I think that was mostly the crazies who thought her being a virgin made her somehow more credible (there for the “right reasons”). She had zero interest in that dim bulb stuttering m/f Farmer Fred, just as I don’t see her having a ton of interest in Smilin’ Peter Brady. It’s just a big charade. I still get a heavy lezbo reading from Becca. Just sayin.

  5. angelfish

    January 20, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    All those “diversity” comments referred to “the future” and means absolutely nothing for right now. As Steve pointed out, that could be next season, next year or 2024. It’s completely non-specific and worthless words.

    I think it’s JoJo or Caila next season, unless the reach back to somebody from a previous season that’s still memorable. And that will be tough.

  6. duckquack

    January 21, 2016 at 12:17 AM

    WTF is the Farmer doing back on the screen, he needs to go back to his farm and hibernate for the winter..he looks like a pudgy turd…is it possible he wants to beat the other Chris from Chi-town who was addicted to the show.

    Jani is much prettier and could potentially make a good Bachelorette….the crying wimp Jubiiii Jooob needs to go home…
    Ben needs to gain some muscle, he looks like a scrawny teenager.

  7. kmannone723

    January 21, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    @Rob I’m still kinda hoping for Becca as bachelorette especially after Kaitlyn’s raunchy season it would be nice to have someone pure and mature for a change. Although I will still watch either way but Kaitlyn kinda turned me off a bit especially when she brought nick v on and had sex with him damn near on camera before fantasy suites.(My mom covered her ears and eyes when they were in the hotel having sex) then she kept him til final 2 just to humiliate him. Me and my mom both felt back for Nick even though we don’t like him that much he still didn’t deserve that especially if she knew weeks prior she was choosing Shawn in the end.

  8. rob22

    January 21, 2016 at 12:51 PM

    I was kind of hoping for Becca too, but probably for different reasons. Ok, yeah, I admit I thought she’d be easy to make fun of. But lately I’m thinking she would be really dull.

    The whole Kaitlyn, Alf, Nick thing….. I thought it was ridiculous, of course, but in the end it made the show interesting & we could really hurl mud at the three of them. It was fun. So, since the whole premise is phony, isn’t it really better when we have a clueless lead like Juan Paco or Kaitlyn? There’s more to make fun of that way. Ees OK. I mean Smilin Peter Brady is killing me. I’m not even making it through the first 20 minutes before I’m asleep.

  9. kmannone723

    January 21, 2016 at 1:03 PM

    it’s hard to know who they’ll pick even Whitney might be interesting instead of someone from this season. but they also need to consider the audience as well; after a very sexually charged season which would you rather see a true virgin(Becca) or someone different like Jubilee,(really not hoping for Calia she’s another Britt), or someone that recently got single like Whitney or even Britt actually give her a chance since she didn’t get it last time.

  10. dogmomma

    January 22, 2016 at 8:24 AM

    I think Britt is in a relationship now, and I just recently read that Whitney has started dating someone as well.

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