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Bachelor in Paradise 3

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Hi Steve,

Have you heard anything about Evan? Do people like him, and is he actually as whiny and pathetic as he seems on camera? Do you think Carly actually likes him, or is this all about saving face for her after last season and leaving with a “fiancé”? I haven’t heard too much negative about him. Well, other than the fact his ex-wife called him a deadbeat who’s nothing but a “sperm donor” to his kids. Ouch. But as for the other people on the show, he seems to be well liked.

Also, in your opinion, which (if any) of the three “engaged” couples have the greatest chance of actually becoming the next Janner?

Comment: I honestly have no idea. I can’t see any of them getting married.
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Hi Steve! A few things…

Random observation, but I’ve never seen any contestants on Paradise wearing sunglasses, even though it’s obviously sunny in Mexico. They’re always squinting into the sun and looking uncomfortable. My guess is that contestants are prohibited from wearing them for the same reason that you rarely see mirrors on the show – because of the likelihood that you’ll see the camera reflected in them. Can you confirm? Same with “Bachelor” and “Bachelorette.” They don’t let them wear sunglasses on a 1-on-1 date. I think because you might see the camera men in the reflection, and it just seems impersonal on a 1-on-1 date, no matter what the sun issue is. At least for the TV show. In real life, sure, wear them all the time in the sun if you’re on a date. Just doesn’t work on TV.

Also, I keep seeing your site mentioned in blogs by contestants. Sharleen’s and Ashley’s come to mind. In case you missed that, I just wanted to let you know!

Keep up the good work!

Comment: Sharleen’s I see all the time and always point it out on Twitter. Ashley people have notified me on occasion when she brings it up. I guess I shouldn’t say I’m surprised. I’m pretty sure almost all the contestants are aware of the spoilers.
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Hey Steve,

You said you were a little light on reader emails so I do have one quick question. I guess this calls for speculation on your part a little, but you recently said in your video chat that Nikki was considered the bitch in the house on JP’s season, and also Andi since they were/are close friends. Just wondering if you know of some big “divide” amongst the women that season? I ask because I know Andi is also very good friends with Sharleen and Kelly, were they also considered bitchy by the rest of the contestants? I realize this is now ancient history but the group dynamic on this show is always interesting to me.

Thanks!

Comment: Andi, Nikki, Kelly, and Sharleen kinda separated themselves from the rest of the group from what I was told. They were their own little clique.
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3 things

1. Izzy is nuts

2. I want to take Ashley by the shoulders and shake some sense into her, she is and has made a fool of herself. But Jared is enabling her to a point by not just walking away and not talking to her. I agree on both points.

3. Who cares what Jordan did 2 years ago to his ex-girl, yes he cheated and has lied about it but she needs to just stop she is making herself look like a stalker.

Comment: Couldn’t disagree more with your assessment. I don’t think she looks like a stalker at all. Trust me, as someone who’s dealt with one, what Brittany has done (making two IG posts in 3 months) is far from stalkerish.
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Hi Steve!

You mentioned a few weeks ago on Twitter that JoJo broke up with Jordan before After the Final Rose because of everything being reported about his past behavior. Since they were together, though, do you think she really did break up with him and then decided to get back together? Or do you think they were together the whole time and people mistakenly believed they had broken up? Just curious for your thoughts. I believe they have a business relationship. Always have and always will. I could sit down for dinner with them, and no matter what they said to me, I’d still believe this is more of a TV relationship. It’s just the way I feel.

Also, have you ever read Ashley I.’s recaps for Cosmo? She’s actually very articulate and a good writer. That seems to support your idea that she’s acting her part on the show and not nearly as crazy as she appears to be.

Thanks for the great recaps and spoilers! I look forward to them every week.

Comment: Yeah, I’ve read those more recently just because she’s such a main focal point of BIP and I wanna see how she reacts to herself. She definitely comes across more self aware in her column and makes good points, but then you see how she acts on the show, and something isn’t adding up.
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Hey Steve! Long time reader but first time writing. I have two questions:

1. What’s with the tattoo on Lace’s ring finger? Looks like an infinity sign. Has she been married before? Never noticed it.

2. What do you know about Evans job? From what I can gather, although the show just loooves to call him an “erectile dysfunction specialist”, he is not, in fact, a urologist. It seems like he is more of a manager for the ED clinics. Based on some of his Instagram photos, he also seems to be doing pretty well for himself (see: photos of his Maserati).

You da man Steve! Keep up the good work!

Comment: He owns ED clinics, yes. And yes, he has a Maserti and a Lambo. He’s loaded according to what I’ve been told. Does very well for himself.
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I’m an editor, so I wanted to offer this: Gray is the US spelling, and grey is used elsewhere in the world, but particularly the UK — kind of like humor vs. humour.

Hope that helps!

Comment: Well there you go. I still hate it.
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That was some painful TV to watch. I mean shut up. Shut up. Shut. The. F—k. Up. Ashley I reminds me of that scene in the Airplane spoof movie where the lady starts losing it and won’t shut up and people line up to smack her in the face (eventually there were folks with baseball bats, brass knuckles, a wrench…you get it). That girl’s capacity to bring the bottomless self-pity crazy ugly cry fest is worthy of Guinness record consideration.

I’m not saying this in defense of Jarod or Caila, mind you. I’m just saying shut the f—k up. Shut uuuuuuuuupppp. Wow. Gandhi would break her damn jaw. Eventually we just had to turn the sound off.

That girl needs some serious therapy. And I don’t mean an hour or two with Dr Phil kinda therapy. I mean in-patient, Girl Interrupted kinda therapy. Whatever. Just get her the hell off my screen.

Glad you were able to get that off your chest. May I offer you a glass of water? An oxygen tank?

OK…let’s be humane for a moment.

Eventually, after venting all the irritation Ashley generates, we have to step back and realize that she’s a human being, whose desperate insecurity is being exploited for tenths of ratings points. This franchise has already seen three people kill themselves, and judging by the way they’ve chosen to handle Ashley I, that doesn’t seem to be impacting their production decisions—for example, letting her stay last night after she didn’t get a rose. The show is a great laugh at the expense of the vain, overweening types like Josh Murray, but it’s also a highly combustible cocktail for folks whose TV appeal is based on intense insecurity. It ain’t for everybody, that’s for sure.

Ok…the rest of the show is kind of mild by comparison, which might explain why producer folks thought they needed Ashley around the bring the crazy. The Nick-Josh thing is played out at this point, and without Ashley, the Caila-Jarod thing would bounce along for a few weeks and then peter out.

Comment: Yeah, the producers only care about producing compelling television. Regardless of what anyone thinks about Ashley’s behavior, she is the person that everyone is talking about the next morning. And that’s what they care about. Including her.
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Do you know anything about what Sarah’s deal is with all of this? She seems so much smarter than most of the contestants, so my question is why she would have given her rose to Daniel, when he was so obviously just in the whole thing to be goofy (and I’m so GLAD he is, as he’s hilarious) when Christian seemed super into her and vice versa. I hate that I care at all about the substantive outcome of all of this, but it seems like Sarah had no reason to sabotage her tenure on the show, particularly when she had at least some functional relationship with Christian. (I’m sure the answer is producers–but then, original question: in my view she seems somewhat smarter than being controlled by that). If you have any background insight on her that you are able to share I’d be really interested as she comes off as intelligent, doesn’t seem to be a huge social media whore, has the vote of approval by Sharleen (whose views I tend to agree with), and in this season did kind of weird stuff that I would normally think was producer-driven.

Comment: I honestly don’t know much about the situation. But I’m just as confused as to why Sarah keeps putting herself on the show, other than the obvious reasons I state for every contestant.
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Steve,

I want to register my disdain for how Haley and Emily (“the twins”) are being treated on this show. I got suuuper bored and actually watched the latest “After Paradise” and E and H were sitting right there, chatting and contributing, but nobody EVER introduced them individually or referred to them by their names. Not once. Just “welcome to The Twins” and “Thank you to The Twins for joining us” and “Twins, what do you think?” Seriously. It’s really, really just making them into sexist caricatures / non-person male fantasy objects — way more so than I would expect, even for even this franchise. ABC, at least pretend to have some class.

Signed,
They. Have. Names.

Comment: I did notice that last week and forgot to comment. I don’t know how to take it, honestly. If they don’t have a problem with it, then why should I? Or maybe they do have a problem with it but never expressed it. I don’t know.
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I’m sorry but I’m sure you have addressed this, but I probably missed it.

I know what Chris Harrison says about why he’s not hosting After Paradise, but is there an underlying reason? He says it wasn’t his call…..

Comment: According to the link I provided yesterday, they just decided to use someone else who wasn’t as close to the situation. Whether or not to believe that is a different story.
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OK this is a really odd one, but I’m hoping you or one of your readers can help me out. I’m obsessed with the rug on the BIP after show (pretty much the only reason to watch). Any idea where it’s from? Or how to find out?

Comment: Ummmmm, no clue.
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Hi Steve,

Congratulations on your nomination for the Reality Tv Awards! I wish you continued success on your site. Also, I wanted to say thanks for retweeting Sharleen’s blog this week about BIP. I must say that she gives a great unbiased review of the show for someone who appeared on the bachelor. I have a few questions.

1. I found this article regarding DWTS casting and I was wondering if you thought that it was valid? http://www.eonline.com/news/788652/are-simone-biles-jojo-fletcher-jake-t-austin-joining-dancing-with-the-stars. I don’t know anything further than that story. E! is usually pretty good on DWTS casting, and JoJo has said she’d be interested, but I don’t know. What better way for her engagement to thrive and to get rid of all the break up rumors than to move to the west coast and live in LA for the next month or so while your fiancé is in Charlotte 3-4 days a week. But hey, these two got exactly what they wanted so I really don’t think they care. However, nothing is official yet. Remember, they’ve never taken a “Bachelorette” for DWTS except Trista, but that was over 10 years ago. Most people don’t even remember Trista was on the first season of DWTS. So I’ll believe it, if/when JoJo is officially announced. I’m not so sure yet.

2. If JoJo was cast on DWTS this season, would that mean that she would have to stay with Jordan until at least after she gets eliminated from DWTS or until it’s finale airs? There’s no contract that states anything. They could break up tomorrow if they wanted to. Granted, that wouldn’t be a smart business decision, but they could if they wanted to.

3. When does the new season of Celebrity Marriage Boot Camp with Jade and Tanner premiere? I believe October.

4. Do you predict that there are any couples that will be announced on the last after paradise show like Cassandra and Johnathan were that started dating post-filming? Thank you

Comment: As far as I know, nobody that isn’t engaged is a couple, so I don’t see that happening unless something develops in the next couple weeks.
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Hi Steve!

Did you watch the Nick interview on AfterBuzz? That was like nails on a chalkboard that I couldn’t quite listening to for some reason! He’s pretty likable on BIP right now, but man, that guy in an interview is just…monotone mumbling, nerve grating, at least to me. I don’t know if he just finds himself so fascinating that he doesn’t think he needs to try, or what. He likes hearing himself talk, no doubt. But what he said in parts was most certainly interesting.

And apparently he has drunk so much of the Producer Kool-Aid that he actually believes it himself. “There is no edit! There is no edit!” Geez. And he contradicted himself about 100 times, saying there was no edit and then telling a specific story where the editing and manipulation completely defined the story. I have no idea why someone who has looked so stupid so many times on this show still defends it and buys what they’re selling. Yuck!

Comment: Yeah, he’s backtracking on a couple things. I get it to certain extent as to why he says no editing, but he’s being very loose with the definition of the word “editing.” What I really want Nick to address and be honest about is his relationship with JoJo before the show. He knows. He’s just not saying anything.
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Just wondering why you think the show is so strict on bachelor/bachelorette couples but allows BIP (Amanda and Josh) to make it so obvious?

Comment: I really can’t answer that other than BIP is a more fun, light hearted summer show, so they obviously don’t take it as seriously or else Josh and Amanda wouldn’t be living together right now.
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Hi Steve,

I can’t remember which BIP alum I saw being interviewed (some YouTube video), but they mentioned that couples get paid a bonus if they get engaged at the end. Since no one can ever prove an engagement wasn’t sincere when initiated, and there’s no way for the producers to stop post-show break-ups, whoever’s left at the end might as well claim to be engaged.

Do you know any details about this engagement bonus? Is it true? How much is it? And is it openly discussed among producers and cast members? If so, what do they do to make sure people aren’t taking advantage of them and claiming fake engagements? I don’t believe that’s true.

Another sort of related question – I can’t remember how Chris H words it, but at the end of the show, aren’t the cast members told that they either have to get engaged, or end their relationships? Obviously, the show doesn’t get to control these peoples’ post-show relationships. But would they get penalized when it comes to pay (which I assume doesn’t happen until the show is aired, to keep them quiet)?

Have you ever seen one of the contracts? Or is there one posted somewhere?

Thanks!

Comment: A BIP contract? No, haven’t seen one. I’ve heard stories of them delaying payment because of post show behavior, but I haven’t heard of someone getting stiffed on their paycheck for doing the show.
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Hi Steve,

This is my first time emailing you. I’m on your site every season of course and I rarely have a question that you’ve not already answered. My apologies if you’ve been asked this a million times but here it goes: when Chris Harrison comes out at the beginning of tonight’s BIP episode he mentions to the group how a lot has happened in a week. I’ve heard him speak in terms of weeks gone by before and also noticed that Evan replied affirmatively in terms of the “week”. My thought is that it could not have been a week because the entire time in paradise is only 18 days. Curious if you know whether the producers encourage the cast to speak in terms of weeks between rose ceremonies, to give the sense more time has gone by (or maybe there’s another reason they do it?). It’s silly from my perspective, because I’m thinking it’s probably been 2 days or maybe 3 at most. Maybe when The Bachelor was in its early stages this was believable, but now (and especially with your site available to all) it’s completely annoying that they make an effort to keep up what’s clearly not reality. Maybe I’m reading into it too much and it feels natural to call it a week even though it’s not. Never been on reality TV myself, so maybe I’m out of touch.

Comment: Yes. Contestants are told to speak in terms of episodes or “weeks” as shown on TV, not in terms of how many days they’ve actually been there.

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  1. rob22

    August 24, 2016 at 9:10 AM

    Although it definitely feels odd to watch Sarah on this show & some of her relationship choices, I think we feel that way because she’s supposed to be the “poor, sweet, disabled girl that everyone ignores in the real world”. That’s kind of the narrative that’s been advanced in the past. But, that’s all it is. A narrative. She’s just a person like everyone else, who happens to have one arm. Bottom line: she’s on BIP for the same reason as everyone else. For attention, for the party, and possibly to advance a D-List career. You could answer that way for every single person in the franchise. The narratives are just story lines from producers & are, in no way, attached to reality. But I get it. They do a great job with their narratives. Even I have to step back and remember that it’s just a producer driven show that will do anything for ratings. That’s their job. Truth telling is not even on the list.

  2. valadega

    August 24, 2016 at 10:24 AM

    After the aftermath of BIP I wonder if the producers of The Bachelorette are relieved they didn’t cast Caila in the role? It now seems to me Caila was in it only for the fame.

  3. cjscjs711

    August 24, 2016 at 10:43 AM

    Caila, Jubilee, and a few others strike me as rational, level-headed people who are not able to fall in love with a man they’ve never met, within several hours or a few days. Britt was another one this was not the right forum for. As we’ve discussed here before, coming back AGAIN isn’t a good idea. Also as we’ve seen with many in this audience regarding Jordan’s ex – you can’t win the popularity contest. Either way you’ll get vilified. Whether you speak up or keep quiet. You really just have to please yourself.

    I love the wild mustang Jade and hope she and Tanner don’t overdo the appearances – as SOME have done…….!

  4. LM111

    August 24, 2016 at 12:20 PM

    Anyone else notice that Jade seemed a bit off last night? She just didn’t seem happy at all… and the few times she actually smiled, it seemed forced.

    And btw… I’ve changed my mind on Daniel. Pretty funny guy. Loved his conversation with Ashley about Jared (first, you get 10 guys…. hahaha).

  5. crushonspivey

    August 24, 2016 at 12:46 PM

    LM111, Daniel is he star of this season. He is so cringeworthy funny. Awkward yet hilarious. HE has made this season so much more enjoyable with his offbeat humor. He is the Ryan Lochte on the franchise. So so dumb. But hilarious.

    Ashley I might have been right about Caila not being into Jared, but she is still a hot mess. I mean, she has scared off any hopes of finding a normal guy with her unhinged emotional outbursts over Jared. Jared. Let that sink in…Jared. Honestly, Ashley just needs to get laid.

    Lacey is still bat poop crazy. I mean, Grant has to be desperate for a level of fame to want to be a part of that. And Carly and Evan? Seriously? Both are sadly pathetic. But I guess that is why we watch. We want to see them make idiots of themselves, and they certainly all oblige in this franchise.

  6. rob22

    August 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM

    @crushonspivey: Good call on the comparison between Ryan Lochte and Daniel. I saw a little bit of Lochte’s reality show, and I’ve seen a few of his interviews over the years, and the guy is as dumb as a sack of hammers. That, and a very limited moral compass. But, until recently, I gave him credit. He realized the one thing he could do was swim really fast. He had $1M in endorsements built up & he was going to keep swimming until they dragged his old, dead carcass out of the deep end.

    I suspect that, like Lochte, eventually Daniel’s level of stupidity will lead to a similar issue with the police or other problems. People that stupid, who don’t really seem to have a moral compass, eventually cross the line and they sweep up whoever’s around them into their mess.

  7. rob22

    August 24, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    LM111: I personally have never taken Jade and Tanner at face value. I’m sure they enjoy be around each other, and all, but I see their pairing as a business arrangement. A way to maintain attention, run their social media based businesses and keep on with their D-List celebrity status. I just refuse to buy their “love story”. Eventually, arrangements like that get old & people decide to move on. I’m not sure if Jade is reaching that point, but IMO, it’s only a matter of time.

    It’s tough enough to try to take relationships from The Bachelor seriously. But BIP? Come on. Do people really believe those are real?

  8. javagirl

    August 24, 2016 at 7:09 PM

    Ashley I is so annoying. She is a total Jared stalker but he loves the attention.. Oooh poor Ashley, she needs me. boo hoo hoo.

    Caila & Jared were making a porno in the water – they so totally had it, it was pretty obvious. Jared is so ho hum boring though, his personality is like watching paint dry.

    I agree about comments on Carly & Evan.. a really odd coupling. I cringed when they kissed.. he creeps me out.

    And Lace slurs her words even when she is not drunk, what’s up with that… she is a doozy.

    Are the twins as stupid as they act or this a put on for attention.. They act like they never passed the 3rd grade. Seriously dump idiots. And one of them stated she was better looking than anyone else so she didn’t understand why she couldn’t get a date. Really? wow.

    Amanda has that sickening sweet baby voice… another annoying one. She should just go home, no one would miss her; Josh would just say Next…

  9. am22

    August 24, 2016 at 7:31 PM

    To the gal who has to watch seasons of the bachelor/ ette. For the guys I’d recommend Sean (he had more diverse and tolerable ladies, and Brad 2.0 avoid Ben F and Jojo (Ben was a jerk, Jojos guys were tools). I haven’t watched a ton of the girls seasons but Ali seems very down to earth and likeable. Good luck!

  10. jane527

    August 24, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    Daniel isn’t stupid at all. He has a unique sense of humor and he’s amusing himself (and us) by spouting random nonsense. He’s playing a role and he’s doing a very good job of it. Watch him when he’s talking to Leah- he’s amusing himself at her expense. He also is aware that the twins are idiots- remember when he pretended to shoot himself in the head when one of them was talking? He’s actually heard of Mussolini- have you ever heard a Bachelor contestant mention a political figure before? If you think he’s stupid, you’re missing the point completely. Different, yes but not stupid.

  11. kimmyfromdablock

    August 25, 2016 at 7:29 AM

    My take on these peeps;

    Daniel — hilarious. TV Gold.
    Carly — refreshingly honest and real.
    Evan — something very yuck. If he truly is a “deadbeat” Dad and has coin, shame on him. That’s awful.
    Amanda — no personality, just a pretty face and sickeningly sweet. Zzzzzzzz.
    Josh — there is grease dripping out of every one of his pores.
    Nick — higher quality grease, but greasy nonetheless.
    Lace — hot mess.
    Grant — hot mess with no integrity.
    Vinny — sweet. simple.
    Jade & Tanner — I totally buy their relationship. Love them.
    Sarah — get off my tv.
    Twins — sweet. simple. hilarious.

  12. kimmyfromdablock

    August 25, 2016 at 7:31 AM

    Less I forget:

    Ashley I – the schtick is getting old. Go away.
    Caila — a lost girl not sure who she should be, still in the personality developing phase.

    Steve’s site — annoying and crashing and diverting all the time !!!

  13. TeresaRenee

    August 25, 2016 at 8:06 AM

    Carly is disgusting and desperate.

  14. purplerayne

    August 25, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    “It’s tough enough to try to take relationships from The Bachelor seriously. But BIP? Come on. Do people really believe those are real?”

    LOL why Rob? At least on BIP, the couple spends more time together than they do on the Bachelor/Bachelorette. And unlike the main shows, they have the option of other love interests. It seems a bit more organic. Mind you, its not normal in comparison to the real world LOL But within this world, its the environment that makes the most sense. A bunch of pretty people with similar interests (fame) together in one house/resort, see what happens.

  15. chg1008

    August 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM

    Ashley I.- is she for real? She is truly one of the most ridiculously immature and annoying people I have ever seen on TV. She is not entertaining at all and truly needs to go away. Ashley, the “worst scenario” is you continuing to be on TV.
    Caila – one of those girls where you look into her eyes and all you see is the back of her head.
    Twins – adorable and sweet…badly in need of an education.
    Amanda & Josh: Can someone PLEASE stop the moaning in the background everytime Amanda and Josh are on screen, it’s just gross.
    Izzy – Ummmm…is the guy even interested in you? You dump a great guy for someone you think is good looking and not even aware he’s interested in you.
    Nick – I like him…but I don’t know his history.
    Vinny – sweet and natural, he is what you see.
    Grant – loves whomever he’s with
    Lace – please get a weed wacker to those fake lashes
    Jared – he’s cute, again, don’t know his history, but he seems very sweet.
    Daniel -He is so dumb it’s scary; he opens his mouth and I mute the TV.

    You have to wonder why there are so many good looking people on this show that are unable to find a mate? Hmm….could it be they are a hot mess in every other way?

  16. jlal

    August 26, 2016 at 8:51 AM

    The twins are so stupid and ignorant it is embarrassing. Daniel couldn’t believe when Haley said she thought Lincoln was our first president. How do you grow up in the US and not know about George Washington? How do you not know what a continent is and that you live in North America? Can image a European not know where or what Europe was?

    Daniel is playing it up. Once I caught on to his schitck I think he’s funny.

    I think Izzy did the right thing. If you’re that attracted to someone else, you must not be invested in the one you’re with.

    Evan and Carly are cute and I hope make it the distance.

    I don’t think Amanda and Josh have a prayer.

    Ashley I is just annoying and needs to go away. I don’t know if Jared not just telling her enough is because he gets his ego stroked or if it is producer driven.

  17. jessicat

    August 26, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Maybe Steve is light on emails because people are tired of how he responds. He often doesn’t actually answer the questions asked or else makes sarcastic comments.

  18. canesarah

    August 26, 2016 at 3:55 PM

    For the reader email wanting to know which seasons to watch- my advice is watch the ones who are married now. So watch Jason Mesnick, Sean Lowe, Ashley H, and Desiree . Add in the after the final rose and wedding specials too for all but Desiree.

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