Dr. Reality Steve

Podcast #42 – Interview with Desiree Siegfried (Part 1), “Reader Emails,” & “Dr. Reality Steve”

Hi Steve,

This is a question I’ve thought about a few times and finally figured I’d ask to just appease my interest. Has any bachelor/bachelorette (aside from Jason and Molly) gone back to dating contestants from their season that they had sent home after things didn’t work out with whoever they ended up with? Jason and Molly are the only ones I can think of. But I know there were rumors at one point about Andi and Nick, but that just ended up being a bunch of BS. Any others end up back with people they had originally broken up with?

Thanks!

Comment: Prince Lorenzo started dating Sadie Murray, the girl he didn’t choose in the end. And I think he saw someone else from his season if I’m not mistaken. In terms of serious dating, like a former lead got into an exclusive public relationship with someone he didn’t choose? I don’t think so. But have leads hooked up again with someone they didn’t choose. I’m sure of it.
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Hi Steve,

I read last week about Astrid flying out to paradise initially but then deciding not to return when filming resumed due to her boyfriend which got me thinking are there “reserve” bachelor/bachelorettes who only appear if anyone cast members don’t show up for any reason?
I think your spoilers, tweets and podcasts are brill and make watching the shows more interesting having inside information – keep up the good work!

Comment: Yes, for both franchises. They’ve had people in a Mexico hotel waiting to go on BIP in the past then never used them and sent them home.

Bachelor/ette have alternates the first night in case something happens.
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Hi!

Couple questions!

1. I’m glad there are still people who love the challenge! I saw you once wrote you love Johnny Bananas. How can that be possible?!? I won’t ever get over him screwing Sarah over. Both him and Camila are the shadiest people I’ve ever seen on that show. We’ll agree to disagree on that Sarah. Sarah screwed him over the season before. Why is he not allowed to screw her back?

2. Just a comment, but I can’t believe Derrick isn’t getting any recognition this season! I love him and wish he would have gotten some recognition for coming back! He’s been a ghost this season.

3. I know Ashley I has her own podcasts these days, but would you ever have her on yours? I would love to hear sides of things that she hasn’t talked about (i.e. nothing about Jared). I kinda get the feeling you’re not crazy about her, so didn’t think you would have her on, but didn’t know if that was out of the question?’ Nothing is out of the question. But I can tell you I haven’t reached out to her. My guess is she wouldn’t do it.

4. I kinda feel really bad for Lacey! She doesn’t seem really close to any of the girls, and none of the guys like her. As a guy do you have any insight into why this is?

Comment: No. Haven’t heard much.
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Hi Steve!

First of all, thanks again for the work you do! I can’t believe how much time you give to trying to talk sense into the crazies out there. Please give yourself a break from that!

Just finished listening to and enjoying your interview with Josiah. I felt he was one of the most real and forthcoming guests you’ve had. The spelling portion was hilarious (and I was pleased that I spelled them all correctly – please let him know I have a good home for his trophy ?).

On to my question. It’s been said repeatedly that all contestants on the show are tested for STDs. Does the show disqualify everyone who has an STD? Or is it just disclosure and to help them avoid liability down the road?

Comment: I’m pretty sure they aren’t let on the show with a known STD.
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Random observation and a question

Why do you think Adam and Raven didn’t get engaged? You said a few times over that you’d be shocked if they did so just wondering why that is.

Also…funny that they even showed the spat with Kristina and Raven when, during Kristina’s departure, they showed the two girls hugging and you hear Kristina say “thanks for everything”. Ha.

Comment: I’m sure Kristina was upset with her in the moment bc she probably realized Raven was right in that situation. Probably helped her make the decision she did at the rose ceremony and probably why she thanked her.

I just never saw those two together. Be surprised if it lasted.
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Dear Steve — excuse me for the following rant. After watching Monday night’s latest episode of BIP, and then watching the dribble about Dean, I just need to vent.

Let me state I am not a fan of Dean. I’ve met plenty of Deans in my lifetime and just because they are dogs does not make them terrible people. It just makes them dogs.

I was kinda hoping that we would not have to go through a season with a whining woman pining after a guy that it’s obvious to everyone she can’t have. I’m wondering, do the producers encourage guys like Jared and Dean to be wishy washy for the storyline?

Dean told Kristina that he wasn’t that into her right before the first rose ceremony but she gave him her rose anyways. Then she whiningly complains last night that she wasted her time pursuing Dean and not checking out other guys. Look Blake asked her out. He told her he was interested but she said NO because she wanted to pout and whine. Wouldn’t it have made some sense to get away and let Dean see how it feels? She blames Dean. She blames DLO. She blames everyone except herself. She could have gotten up and confronted Dean at the pool that night. But no, she has to whine and play the victim. NO WONDER she doesn’t have a healthy relationship. She’s a basket case.

When are these girls going to learn that when a man tells you who he is, believe him!

Personally, I think Dean got his buddy Ben to keep DLO around for him at the second rose ceremony. I’m sure Ben didn’t mind. DLO isn’t bad to look at and seems like a nice person. He didn’t have anyone else anyways. And it gave Dean time to get to know DLO better which he obviously did.

I’m just saying that Kristina is a victim because she set herself up to be the victim in this. The best part of the show last night was when Wells asked her why she was chasing Dean? It was like a light bulb went off in her head.

I will NOT be missing her presence for the rest of the show! Only problem is that I’m wondering who is going to step up and fill the whining void. I’m hoping no one but seeing the twins coming in the next episode, I’m guessing someone will be whining. Your feelings towards Kristina are shared by many. She absolutely made excuses for Dean. It wasn’t DLo’s fault at all. DLo did nothing wrong. Dean played her the whole show, but she chose to only think about the nice things he said and did to her, which had her completely fooled.

Also, what is with Lacey? Now I know Canadians have their own unique sense of humor but Daniel’s language towards Lecey seems very insulting. I’m sure this is the editing, but even last season in BIP, his edit was very sexist. Is Lacey so needy that she would latch onto someone who treats her like s**t??

Does the show pick out these insecure and needy women for BIP because they make good storyline.

It’s a good thing that this show is short because there is only so much of this drunken BS that one can watch. I thought they were trying to play down the drinking, and in the Jack kissing story, the catalyst behind the kissing was shots.
So much for that.

Comment: Lacey was into Daniel waaaaaaaaaay more than he was into her. These people get so fixated on being with someone from the franchise because they know people will talk about them and they live for the social media love. Like, LIVE for it. They can’t breathe if they don’t get it, and then come crying to me about the attention other people get over them. Oh wait, did I say that?
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Hi Steve!

My question goes back to last week, since I know Ben Z went home…

Why do you think he gave his rose out to DLo? He essentially had Alexis, Sarah, and DLo to choose from. Do you think this was a production thing to keep the Dean/Kristina/DLo love triangle going, or do you think they had some sort of connection off camera?

Thank you!

Comment: I’m sure it was strongly suggested to keep DLo there.
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I know I have been writing quite a bit asking you some Bachelor questions. I just want to say thank you for continually addressing people’s concerns in your blog and on Twitter. I don’t think people mean to bug you, I just think you are the one they think of as an authority when it comes to Bachelor stuff. Anyway, I for one appreciate your updates. Now onto a new season!

Comment: Thank you. I understand that part. All I’m doing is pointing out that when Fleiss tweets what he does, who do you think immediately gets bombarded? Me. If I know the answer, I’ll tweet it or blog about it. But when you get numerous tweets and emails asking the same exact thing like, “Did you see Fleiss’ tweet? What do you think that means?” I mean, what am I supposed to say? My job is covering this show. Of course I see what he says. And even if I happened to not be checking my phone, just assume immediately 5-10 people will contact to tell me what he said. So yeah, that part gets a little old.

Basically any tweet or email that starts with, “Did you see…” just assume yes I did. Like, how can I not?
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Hey Steve!

Reading your spoiler about the Dean/Dlo/Kristina reunion episode, I can’t help but feel really bad for Danielle and I’m interested to also hear your take on it?

She is being attacked pretty ruthlessly on her social media accounts and I’m genuinely confused as to why anybody thinks she did anything wrong? She went on a show about dating multiple people(someone many other people on the show did) and yet seems to be the only person receiving such an intense amount of backlash. I personally saw this season as Kristina becoming WAY too invested too quickly, Dean not being that into her, pursuing Danielle, but Danielle getting most of the blame. I would imagine Deans Instagram post with Kristina was a slap in the face to Dlo and I’m guessing he doesn’t post anything like that for her when the show is done airing.

Sorry this was long I’m just really curious to hear your take on this? Am I missing something? Because I just can’t grasp why Danielle is receiving such a widespread negative reaction. Doesn’t quite seem fair. Anyways thanks in advance Steve I love seeing your opinions on these things!

Comment: She’s getting unfairly attacked. She did nothing wrong. Dean was downplaying his relationship with Kristina to her just like he was downplaying his relationship with DLo to Kristina. All she was doing was acting on what Dean was giving her.
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I was wondering why they didn’t have Kristina give away her rose to keep someone on before she left the same way Matt came back to give his rose to Jasmine. I think I already know the answer. They needed Jasmine for ratings. They don’t care much about keeping Blake and Fred around.

Comment: You answered your own question.
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Dear RS

What is up with Taylor Nolan? (Look at her latest Instagram)
Is everything okay?

Comment: I don’t know.
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Hey Steve!

Love your podcast and posts about all things bachelor. Your honestly and bluntness is amazing. So I read the post from today and you said you can’t always follow their social media which I totally get there’s always something new when I check it hahaha but anyways raven tweeted this last night and I think it kinda explains her whole “fight” with Kristina so I thought I would share.

We’ve all dated a dean and can see right through him I know it’s hard to see it when you’re actually the one in the relationship but from the outside, you can smell the f*ckboy from a mile away. I try not to judge/hate these contestants from what’s shown on TV because I know a lot has to do with editing and what they decide to show on TV but it’s too hard not to with this guy. I find him completely 3000% disingenuous and a straight up liar. This is due to him saying he “loves” Kristina yet treated her like crap, you don’t do that to people you “love” even if it’s just as a friend. Sorry not sorry he’s straight up full of it. Can’t wait to see him roasted by Kristina and DLO. I think I can go as far as to say I would enjoy seeing Josh Murray again on one of these shows instead of dean. Preferably neither but dean is at the absolute bottom of my list. Anyways I don’t want to waste your time anymore on this dud but I am curious to know if you think we’ll ever see dean again? I know that’s probably hard to predict I’m just curious if someone has acted as poorly as he did before and still made it back on the show. I certainly hope not that’s for sure.

Thank you for all that you do!!

Comment: While I do think Raven was speaking from experience like she expressed in her tweet, I still don’t think she was wrong to say what she did. And I do think she was upset with Kristina and not just because that used to be her. I’m sure that was part of it, but she can feel that but also still be mad at Kristina for not listening or seeing all the signs Dean was throwing her way.

I have no idea if we’ll see Dean again on a future show. But you can bet your ass you’ll see him all over social media hanging with Bachelor people who have tons of IG followers and who sing his praises.

As for Kristina, lets just hope she learns from this. I’m not convinced she has.
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1. So what changed, was Peter bluffing for more cash? Or did he finally just give in because of their constant pushing? I’m not exactly sure. I always thought he would end up being it, so when I’d heard he turned it down initially, I was surprised. Whether or not that ever gets acknowledged or brought up, I doubt it. Or they’ll be a flat out denial to make it seem like I had wrong information. I’ll stand by my sources on that one. I also said that day though that I still thought the show would come hard after him and it doesn’t mean he won’t change his mind. Look, anyone looking to build a brand and open up opportunities for themselves would be a moron to turn it down. Peter is most definitely thinking business first here.

2. I follow some bachelor nation people on Instagram and it’s laughable when they all try to change the viewers opinions of other cast members by posting and tweeting that said person is a great person blah blah blah. I mean I don’t think Dean is mean or cruel or a bad person but in the context of the show, a show about “relationships and love” yeah he’s the worst and an a**hole. But some of these bachelor nation people are selling him hard, it’s uncomfortable. It’s pretty transparent.

3. Deans latest Instagram is also laughable. We’re supposed to believe you were a douche to Kristina and it doesn’t matter because she’s out of your league anyway? Lol Total garbage.

4. If Amanda and Robby break up at the reunion because he cheated, why did they go to Mexico together recently? After the cheating?

Comment: I don’t know how to answer that other than to say we saw how Amanda and Josh’s relationship was up and down last year. This isn’t someone who immediately cuts something off when something bad happens in the relationship. That’s all I can think of.

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  1. shouldbeworking

    September 6, 2017 at 12:00 PM

    Let me just say that as a Canadian, I don’t know any men that talk like Daniel. Even I think he’s weird. He’s just putting on a show for TV.
    How is it they find the some of the most desperate women and the biggest players to put on this show? But I guess that makes the show!!
    Thoughts and prayers for Harvey survivors and hope that Irma doesn’t make Florida landfall.

  2. bobcat87

    September 6, 2017 at 3:05 PM

    To the person who cut her dog’s toenails-

    So, I’m not sure I understand the situation with the dog. It sounds like you left your husband a voicemail to call immediately, then texted him to call ASAP. You thought he might not realize it was important (do you have a tendency to send these kind of messages?), so you texted again saying that it was an emergency. He called back and was PO’d to find that it was just an issue with the dog’s toenail bleeding. I would be too! If I were him, I would have thought somebody died or that you were in a ditch somewhere. I wouldn’t classify this situation as a huge emergency, and would be careful about crying wolf if I were you.

    Now, this does not necessarily mean that he isn’t insensitive- your story about your niece’s football game shows that he has some selfish tendencies. If you want to work on your marriage, I think I would recommend more clearly differentiating for him what is a big deal to you and what isn’t. If everything is always made out to be a big deal, he will assume you are exaggerating its importance to you and decide for himself what he thinks is most important. If you are more discriminatory, he will be more likely to pay attention to your feelings when you say that something is really important to you.

    If you try and can’t get reach some middle ground with him, honestly, this relationship seems on very shaky ground moving forward. A lack of respect by one’s partner is concerning and not something that either of you should have to put up with. Best of luck!

  3. LM111

    September 6, 2017 at 6:28 PM

    Re: first letter (fight with husband).
    You seem to have a strong grasp on what it takes to be in a relationship, and I agree that your husband doesn’t quite get it. And, he sounds pretty selfish. I’ve been with guys like that before; you put their needs first, THEY put their needs first, and suddenly your needs are permanently on the back burner (side note: I was once engaged to a man like this. Loved him to death, but we had the same type of fights you guys have. So, instead of chucking the relationship, we went to a therapist together. The therapist looked at my then fiance and asked “what are you doing to put her needs first?”. My fiance was visibly dumbfounded. He finally answered “Why would I put someone else’s needs above my own?!”. He was being completely sincere. He just didn’t get it.

    Back to you. The problem is – what to do about it. You obviously love him or you wouldn’t have married him. But this is a hard personality trait to change in another person. I’d have to read your letter again to see if you have children. If so, maybe seek counseling. If not, it’s a tough call. Day-to-day happiness is so important. Pay attention to how often you feel angry or frustrated with this man. If it’s daily, or even every other day, it might be time to cut your losses.

  4. shenanigans

    September 7, 2017 at 5:24 AM

    Re/ the woman who cut her dog’s toenails: at the risk of stating the obvious, many people aren’t meant to be married. They are selfish to the bone and not willing/able to compromise and put someone else’s needs first. Granted, you can drag your spouse to counseling and try to change him, but it probably won’t work. He is who he is. The most you will probably get from counseling is 1) confirmation of the situation and 2) tools that will help you stay sane and respond more appropriately.

    And that’s where your behavior comes into play. If your husband told you repeatedly not to cut the dog’s nails – but, you did it anyway and botched it, you shouldn’t have been surprised that he was ticked when you told him. Even worse, you sent him several messages and declared it an emergency. To be honest, I can see why that annoyed him.

    I’ve been married to a man with similar tendencies for 22 years. And, here’s why it works: I learned early in the game what annoys him and what doesn’t – and I act accordingly. At first, I thought he was a selfish jerk and that we didn’t have a great marriage. Over time, however, I realized that many couples have these issues and it’s just a matter of not pushing the wrong buttons. Sure, it would be great if he thought just like me and we didn’t have any issues. But, that’s just not reality. For us, the key to staying married and being happy was learning how to treat each other lovingly and not making a huge deal out of things that the other partner didn’t care about.

    Bottom line: you can’t control how he behaves – only how you react. Pick your battles carefully – and with that in mind. Once he told you how he felt about the dog’s nails, was it really that hard to honor his wishes? Was that issue really worth the fight?

  5. kygirl13

    September 7, 2017 at 6:32 AM

    Just sitting here patiently waiting on your thoughts of them casting Arie as the new Bachelor…

  6. shouldbeworking

    September 7, 2017 at 7:00 AM

    Seriously? Arie?

  7. ctrealitygirl

    September 7, 2017 at 7:15 AM

    Mike Fleiss needs to stop expending all trying to drum up a bachelor candidate just for shock value. It seems every time Reality Steve swears it’s one person, ABC pulls a fast one and names the person that RS swore it wouldn’t be. “Shouldbeworking” I second your comment: “Seriously, Arie?” Who even gives a hoot about him now? He’s a has been! With all the guys they had to choose from that’s the best they could come up with??? I am convinced they’re trying to sabotage this show. Rachel’s season was a hot mess…now Arie as the Bachelor?

  8. rob22

    September 7, 2017 at 8:23 AM

    @shenanigans, that’s a great answer. The interesting thing about relationships is that we are all largely trying to get our own needs met. We just do it in different ways. We can call that “selfish” or we can call it “human”. It’s just a matter of perspective. Is it selfish of the husband to get upset about being text bombed about the dog’s toenails? Possibly. Is it selfish to hit him up with 911 texts when you botched the toenail job that your husband told you not to do in the first place? Possibly. It’s just a matter of who you ask and who’s perspective you take. Probably they’re both a bit selfish.

    My wife does irritating things that I’ve repeatedly asked her not to do (such as throwing her clothes all over the floor, leaving dirty dishes on the night stand). Am I selfish for getting irritated? Or is she selfish for doing the things she knows irritates me. I don’t think there’s a right answer. They’re both kind of selfish.

    As I’ve aged, I let more things go, even if I feel irritated. So does she. She probably lets more go than I do. When I was younger, I wasn’t able to do that, so we fought a lot.

    So, some of it is maturity. Some of it is self awareness and making an effort. In the end, the key much of the time is just the ability to recognize that most of the stuff that irritates us is really small stuff. I can step around the clothes or ignore the dirty dishes…. or even pick them up. It doesn’t need to be a fight. And we’re both happier because of it. In your case, you don’t need to cut the dog’s nails. And if you do, and botch it, you don’t need to try to dump the problem on him. And, of course, he also could react differently & more patiently. But you BOTH need to mature and let things go. Otherwise your marriage won’t last.

  9. rob22

    September 7, 2017 at 9:30 AM

    So, Arie. That’s a real Hail Mary. He was from Emily’s season, which was 5 YEARS AGO!!! So, while there have been other Bachelor’s his age, such as with Nick, he’s really been out of the Bachelor limelight for a long time. Nick was last on The Bachelorette just two years ago, so when he got the gig, he was still very much in the current mix, especially with his BIP appearance. Not so with Arie. I would have to think that a lot of guys would have said no for it to come to this. I’m sure Ben 2.0 could have happened, as I was pushing for, but this means that he said NO WAY & dollars didn’t make a difference. And obviously the same for Peter too. I almost have to wonder why anyone says yes. It’s not like you’re making millions of dollars like most stars, and you’ll get trashed on Social Media even more than the stars. Who wants that?

    I do believe that having Nick diminished interest in the show, and ratings are going down. I think Arie is going to take it down another notch. This show is definitely starting to come unglued. No show lasts forever.

  10. tinyred500

    September 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM

    I personally don’t mind if Arie is the next Bachelor, it makes no difference to me, it’s a cheesy programme just for fun….why worry who’s the lead, why take that part so seriously? I think he will be at least entertaining to watch, maybe the producers want to be less predictable with their choice, who knows.

    Other than that I do agree with a lot with what Rob22 has to say, inasmuch all programmes have their day, and who seriously wants their reputation and integrity rubbished and thrown under a bus on social media and the media in general? With cheesy and sleazy reality telly there’s a huge personal price to pay, and I for one wouldn’t and couldn’t see it would be worth it, you can’t buy back your reputation (or privacy) and I know there’s going to some individuals who will say that Arie’s isn’t perfect already…but that’s not the point.

  11. keddo

    September 7, 2017 at 10:58 AM

    I didn’t watch Nick’s season, because I couldn’t fathom him having sincere intentions. I won’t be watching Arie’s season, either. I probably would have watched Peter or Ben H. v.2.

  12. jchen0111

    September 7, 2017 at 11:52 AM

    Guess Peter said no to the gig..would’ve much rather watched him…Arie..not very much =/

  13. jchen0111

    September 7, 2017 at 11:56 AM

    Loved the podcast with Desiree btw, can’t wait for the 2nd part of it next week!

  14. jlal

    September 7, 2017 at 5:08 PM

    I like Arie. He is a professional, old enough to want to settle down, is not looking to build a social media brand, and is good looking. What is not to like?

  15. adelina

    September 7, 2017 at 6:01 PM

    Following Steve on Twitter and reading the sheet that is already being thrown around about Arie’s past and his cheating and underage dalliances. The best is a Reddit post where someone speaks on Jef Holm and Arie past visits to sorority houses and sleeping with young college girls.

    Of all things….Jef Holm chimes in on Twitter to respond that “he’s never been in a sorority house” and that he hasn’t been Arie’s friend in years because Arie is “disgusting.”

    Wowza.

  16. qtontv

    September 7, 2017 at 9:41 PM

    Wow, so it’s Arie!! He was on before my Bachelor-watching time, and first thoughts were attractive, established, adult man. But then I read about all these sexual predatory/usual f*ckboy behavior and I have to wonder what we’re in for. Geez. I think this show is determined to go down in lawsuit flames. I really have no desire to see a gray haired man make-out with teenagers wither. It kinda takes away the satisfaction of knowing Peter overplayed his hand and his bachelor manipulation plan fell apart.

  17. jlal

    September 8, 2017 at 3:52 AM

    I don’t know about Arie’s supposed bad behavior, don’t do social media. Frankly I think most of the men and some of the women on these shows don’t behave very well. Not to mention, you can’t believe everything you read on SM.
    He is the right age to settle down, not 26 which is too young. This might force them to get women and not immature girls. Thinking of the twins here. It is also nice to have someone who is not just looking to build a social media brand.
    After Nick they almost lost me, so having someone new/old is a nice change.

  18. tinyred500

    September 8, 2017 at 9:45 AM

    @jlal, I agree with what you say.

    Arie is 35 years old (not some immature 26 year old who’s even more unlikely not to want to commit) and I don’t expect any man not to have any bad history by that age. A lot of men on the franchise have a history too and yes some not so great. If social media is to be even part believed he likes younger females, so? (Smh). Girls at university are old enough to know better, they are old enough to consent, it takes two to tango. I really can’t hack the holier than thou peeps out there, and RS is one of them. Shame on him for peddling Arie’s alleged past and retweeting stupid tweets, so infantile.

    Most men at 26 are not ready to settle down, let alone propose, so I think it’s better that the bachelors are older, 28 and upwards is far more of a realistic age group. I like the fact Arie is less likely to want a ‘brand’. From what I’ve seen on Emily’s season, he was funny and good fun to be around, and I like the fact he’s foreign (okay, he may have been brought up mostly in America, but his parents are both Dutch and so culturally different). I just have to wait till it hits the UK’s television screens…or watch online.

  19. rob22

    September 8, 2017 at 10:46 AM

    Those who are claiming that Arie matured, should remember that he was already 30 years old when he appeared on Emily’s season. Also, over the last five years, he hasn’t developed a reputation of a responsible, ready to be married, mature adult. I’m not judging him. If he wants to run up the score with fan girls and Bachelor alums, that’s his business. But that doesn’t make for a very good narrative. And obviously the narrative is now being driven by social media and it’s not good at all. In fact, it’s being portrayed as a complete joke. The show’s got some PR work to do, stat!

  20. jlal

    September 8, 2017 at 11:38 AM

    Once again, I don’t do the whole social media thing, twitter, instagram, etc. However, from everything I’ve read on this site, as well as on other sites, most the guys from this franchise ‘…run up the score with fan girls and bachelor alums’, heck sounds like most of the women do too. Also, most people I know date around and fool around, until the meet “the one” fall in love and get married. It is called sowing your wild oats. Sounds like maybe the crazy Peter fans RS is always talking about are pissed and putting out crap. Let’s be real, other than maybe Ben H. and Sean, none of the guys from this franchise have been exactly models for decency.

    I stand by not having an issue with Arie. Good looking, professional, not a social media hound, old enough to really settle down, and seemed likable enough on Emily’s season.

  21. jlal

    September 8, 2017 at 11:44 AM

    One more thing – I think the crazy Peter fans and RS are just upset at be duped, so are taking it out on Arie.

  22. jchen0111

    September 8, 2017 at 1:12 PM

    Time will only tell is Arie will be a good bachelor =)

  23. rob22

    September 8, 2017 at 1:40 PM

    I want to be clear. I don’t dislike Arie. In fact, like with Nick, I rather expect that Arie will spice things up a bit in the drama department. So, I’m all for it. My comments were more towards the typical Bachelor fans who are wanting “true love”, as phony as that ends up being. If you don’t have a Bachelor who might feasibly get married, then you start to lose those fans. The worst part is that the show rehabbed Nick to shine him up and make him look good for the part. But he didn’t credibly deliver that during his season. Right on the heals of Nick, we have Arie. And Arie is not polished up at all. The show must have really been caught off guard by Peter declining. Because they could have had Arie on BIP and polished him up a bit before going this direction. Oh well, it should be fun anyway… in a trashy sort of way.

  24. heliofan

    September 8, 2017 at 3:18 PM

    I’ve met Arie a couple of times. One was at an autograph session for Indy Lights drivers prior to him being on the Bachelorette and the other time was in the paddock area at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course during a race weekend. Both times he was kind and charming. He is extremely attractive, more so in person than on TV. Yes, he has a reputation but aside from Sean and Ben H.,which Bachelor hasn’t. I’m looking forward to his season. I think it will be interesting.

  25. tinyred500

    September 8, 2017 at 3:23 PM

    I think long time watchers of this franchise should know by now that it isn’t a credible way to meet your lifetime mate. If they’re still watching it and still believing that, then they are the deluded ones. Bachelorette aside, we know there’s only been two bachelor’s who have stayed and married someone they met off the Bachelor programme. I think the falling ratings is mostly due to its tired and predictable format, change it, reinvent it and it may gain a different audience. Maybe they should have a Bachelor who perhaps would be seen to be more successful, a more credible catch, e.g. someone who has their own business and independent wealth, and thus wouldn’t care one iota about IG followers or gaining a brand etc., afterwards. Too many contestants now go on the shows for all the ‘after stuff’, and sadly it’s the way most reality programmes end up.

    If the producers can’t obtain credibility with their choice of leads, then all they have left is drama and entertainment for the audience, just a show for all its silliness. Really and truly it’s what we should just accept, because going back to my opening sentence, it isn’t a realistic way to meet your future spouse.

    Not forgetting Desiree’s podcast, I for one enjoyed it, I enjoyed it more then I thought I would. It was interesting and I always like to hear what goes on behind the scenes. I look forward to hearing part two.

  26. angela0722

    September 8, 2017 at 4:14 PM

    Just finished listening to the podcast with Desire and I cannot wait to hear why they didn’t get their wedding paid for/on tv! I’ve always wondered this and was thinking about it again when they did the recap of all the other weddings a few weeks ago when they showed Carly and Evan’s wedding. So strange! Thanks for linking to that Right Reasons/Soulja Boy video – hilarious! Loving the podcast – especially the Bachelor guests!

  27. katieottawa

    September 11, 2017 at 2:13 AM

    I finished listening to the podcast. Steve you are wrong this was the worst interview by far. Probably didnt help that it came after Josiah who was so interesting and entertaining. What a snooze this one was. I can now understand why the franchise has tossed her. Wow this girl was on 2 shows with one being her the focal point yet I kept asking myself “was she even there??” Was she on some kind of medication that causes amnesia??? because she doesnt seem to remember a whole lot of anything. all i heard was “I dont remember…I cant remember, I dont know” Did she even answer any questions without sounding like she wasnt on some other planet the whole time she filmed the 2 shows.

    A tip for all future podcast guests. Be entertaining and dont answer every question with I dont know. I dont remember. Im not sure. No one wants to listen to that. Ill pass on the second part.

  28. jlal

    September 11, 2017 at 4:10 AM

    Tinyred, I agree with you that since most now go on the show to build their IG followers and whatever other SM sites out there. I think ratings have fallen because since everyone is just there to “build a brand”, they have to make the show about whichever poor sap gets to be the “bad” boy or girl. What I find wearing is when the show turns into the “Chad” show or the “Corinne” show and not about the core person. The manufactured drama is so obvious. Plus, they just can’t seem to understand when the horse is dead. It was a truly different and better show in the early years, before the quest for SM fame took it over. Some drama is interesting, but the core of the show should be the relationships with the lead. That is now secondary to the manufactured drama and it is sad.

  29. tinyred500

    September 11, 2017 at 3:29 PM

    @katieottawa, I enjoyed Desiree’s podcast more than I thought I would. However, it do agree about her not remembering too much, or being a tad vague! There are some things you would remember, e.g ‘who was in your limo’ would be one I’m sure you’d not forget! Two stand out experiences, you would remember quite a bit, even if you hated the experience in parts.

  30. LynnS

    September 12, 2017 at 1:25 AM

    I 100% agree with you! I was really looking forward to this podcast, but it quickly became maddening that she didn’t seem to remember much at all. How could she not remember events from such a unique experience from not that long ago? It seemed like she was trying to sound laid-back and cool, but it ended up making her sound stupid.

    Another tip for future podcast guests: Prepare!

    I could tell Steve was getting frustrated with her frequent “I don’t remember” answers.

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