This is a question I’ve thought about a few times and finally figured I’d ask to just appease my interest. Has any bachelor/bachelorette (aside from Jason and Molly) gone back to dating contestants from their season that they had sent home after things didn’t work out with whoever they ended up with? Jason and Molly are the only ones I can think of. But I know there were rumors at one point about Andi and Nick, but that just ended up being a bunch of BS. Any others end up back with people they had originally broken up with?
Comment: Prince Lorenzo started dating Sadie Murray, the girl he didn’t choose in the end. And I think he saw someone else from his season if I’m not mistaken. In terms of serious dating, like a former lead got into an exclusive public relationship with someone he didn’t choose? I don’t think so. But have leads hooked up again with someone they didn’t choose. I’m sure of it.
I read last week about Astrid flying out to paradise initially but then deciding not to return when filming resumed due to her boyfriend which got me thinking are there “reserve” bachelor/bachelorettes who only appear if anyone cast members don’t show up for any reason?
I think your spoilers, tweets and podcasts are brill and make watching the shows more interesting having inside information – keep up the good work!
Comment: Yes, for both franchises. They’ve had people in a Mexico hotel waiting to go on BIP in the past then never used them and sent them home.
Bachelor/ette have alternates the first night in case something happens.
1. I’m glad there are still people who love the challenge! I saw you once wrote you love Johnny Bananas. How can that be possible?!? I won’t ever get over him screwing Sarah over. Both him and Camila are the shadiest people I’ve ever seen on that show. We’ll agree to disagree on that Sarah. Sarah screwed him over the season before. Why is he not allowed to screw her back?
2. Just a comment, but I can’t believe Derrick isn’t getting any recognition this season! I love him and wish he would have gotten some recognition for coming back! He’s been a ghost this season.
3. I know Ashley I has her own podcasts these days, but would you ever have her on yours? I would love to hear sides of things that she hasn’t talked about (i.e. nothing about Jared). I kinda get the feeling you’re not crazy about her, so didn’t think you would have her on, but didn’t know if that was out of the question?’ Nothing is out of the question. But I can tell you I haven’t reached out to her. My guess is she wouldn’t do it.
4. I kinda feel really bad for Lacey! She doesn’t seem really close to any of the girls, and none of the guys like her. As a guy do you have any insight into why this is?
Comment: No. Haven’t heard much.
First of all, thanks again for the work you do! I can’t believe how much time you give to trying to talk sense into the crazies out there. Please give yourself a break from that!
Just finished listening to and enjoying your interview with Josiah. I felt he was one of the most real and forthcoming guests you’ve had. The spelling portion was hilarious (and I was pleased that I spelled them all correctly – please let him know I have a good home for his trophy ?).
On to my question. It’s been said repeatedly that all contestants on the show are tested for STDs. Does the show disqualify everyone who has an STD? Or is it just disclosure and to help them avoid liability down the road?
Comment: I’m pretty sure they aren’t let on the show with a known STD.
Random observation and a question
Why do you think Adam and Raven didn’t get engaged? You said a few times over that you’d be shocked if they did so just wondering why that is.
Also…funny that they even showed the spat with Kristina and Raven when, during Kristina’s departure, they showed the two girls hugging and you hear Kristina say “thanks for everything”. Ha.
Comment: I’m sure Kristina was upset with her in the moment bc she probably realized Raven was right in that situation. Probably helped her make the decision she did at the rose ceremony and probably why she thanked her.
I just never saw those two together. Be surprised if it lasted.
Dear Steve — excuse me for the following rant. After watching Monday night’s latest episode of BIP, and then watching the dribble about Dean, I just need to vent.
Let me state I am not a fan of Dean. I’ve met plenty of Deans in my lifetime and just because they are dogs does not make them terrible people. It just makes them dogs.
I was kinda hoping that we would not have to go through a season with a whining woman pining after a guy that it’s obvious to everyone she can’t have. I’m wondering, do the producers encourage guys like Jared and Dean to be wishy washy for the storyline?
Dean told Kristina that he wasn’t that into her right before the first rose ceremony but she gave him her rose anyways. Then she whiningly complains last night that she wasted her time pursuing Dean and not checking out other guys. Look Blake asked her out. He told her he was interested but she said NO because she wanted to pout and whine. Wouldn’t it have made some sense to get away and let Dean see how it feels? She blames Dean. She blames DLO. She blames everyone except herself. She could have gotten up and confronted Dean at the pool that night. But no, she has to whine and play the victim. NO WONDER she doesn’t have a healthy relationship. She’s a basket case.
When are these girls going to learn that when a man tells you who he is, believe him!
Personally, I think Dean got his buddy Ben to keep DLO around for him at the second rose ceremony. I’m sure Ben didn’t mind. DLO isn’t bad to look at and seems like a nice person. He didn’t have anyone else anyways. And it gave Dean time to get to know DLO better which he obviously did.
I’m just saying that Kristina is a victim because she set herself up to be the victim in this. The best part of the show last night was when Wells asked her why she was chasing Dean? It was like a light bulb went off in her head.
I will NOT be missing her presence for the rest of the show! Only problem is that I’m wondering who is going to step up and fill the whining void. I’m hoping no one but seeing the twins coming in the next episode, I’m guessing someone will be whining. Your feelings towards Kristina are shared by many. She absolutely made excuses for Dean. It wasn’t DLo’s fault at all. DLo did nothing wrong. Dean played her the whole show, but she chose to only think about the nice things he said and did to her, which had her completely fooled.
Also, what is with Lacey? Now I know Canadians have their own unique sense of humor but Daniel’s language towards Lecey seems very insulting. I’m sure this is the editing, but even last season in BIP, his edit was very sexist. Is Lacey so needy that she would latch onto someone who treats her like s**t??
Does the show pick out these insecure and needy women for BIP because they make good storyline.
It’s a good thing that this show is short because there is only so much of this drunken BS that one can watch. I thought they were trying to play down the drinking, and in the Jack kissing story, the catalyst behind the kissing was shots.
So much for that.
Comment: Lacey was into Daniel waaaaaaaaaay more than he was into her. These people get so fixated on being with someone from the franchise because they know people will talk about them and they live for the social media love. Like, LIVE for it. They can’t breathe if they don’t get it, and then come crying to me about the attention other people get over them. Oh wait, did I say that?
My question goes back to last week, since I know Ben Z went home…
Why do you think he gave his rose out to DLo? He essentially had Alexis, Sarah, and DLo to choose from. Do you think this was a production thing to keep the Dean/Kristina/DLo love triangle going, or do you think they had some sort of connection off camera?
Comment: I’m sure it was strongly suggested to keep DLo there.
I know I have been writing quite a bit asking you some Bachelor questions. I just want to say thank you for continually addressing people’s concerns in your blog and on Twitter. I don’t think people mean to bug you, I just think you are the one they think of as an authority when it comes to Bachelor stuff. Anyway, I for one appreciate your updates. Now onto a new season!
Comment: Thank you. I understand that part. All I’m doing is pointing out that when Fleiss tweets what he does, who do you think immediately gets bombarded? Me. If I know the answer, I’ll tweet it or blog about it. But when you get numerous tweets and emails asking the same exact thing like, “Did you see Fleiss’ tweet? What do you think that means?” I mean, what am I supposed to say? My job is covering this show. Of course I see what he says. And even if I happened to not be checking my phone, just assume immediately 5-10 people will contact to tell me what he said. So yeah, that part gets a little old.
Basically any tweet or email that starts with, “Did you see…” just assume yes I did. Like, how can I not?
Reading your spoiler about the Dean/Dlo/Kristina reunion episode, I can’t help but feel really bad for Danielle and I’m interested to also hear your take on it?
She is being attacked pretty ruthlessly on her social media accounts and I’m genuinely confused as to why anybody thinks she did anything wrong? She went on a show about dating multiple people(someone many other people on the show did) and yet seems to be the only person receiving such an intense amount of backlash. I personally saw this season as Kristina becoming WAY too invested too quickly, Dean not being that into her, pursuing Danielle, but Danielle getting most of the blame. I would imagine Deans Instagram post with Kristina was a slap in the face to Dlo and I’m guessing he doesn’t post anything like that for her when the show is done airing.
Sorry this was long I’m just really curious to hear your take on this? Am I missing something? Because I just can’t grasp why Danielle is receiving such a widespread negative reaction. Doesn’t quite seem fair. Anyways thanks in advance Steve I love seeing your opinions on these things!
Comment: She’s getting unfairly attacked. She did nothing wrong. Dean was downplaying his relationship with Kristina to her just like he was downplaying his relationship with DLo to Kristina. All she was doing was acting on what Dean was giving her.
I was wondering why they didn’t have Kristina give away her rose to keep someone on before she left the same way Matt came back to give his rose to Jasmine. I think I already know the answer. They needed Jasmine for ratings. They don’t care much about keeping Blake and Fred around.
Comment: You answered your own question.
What is up with Taylor Nolan? (Look at her latest Instagram)
Is everything okay?
Comment: I don’t know.
Love your podcast and posts about all things bachelor. Your honestly and bluntness is amazing. So I read the post from today and you said you can’t always follow their social media which I totally get there’s always something new when I check it hahaha but anyways raven tweeted this last night and I think it kinda explains her whole “fight” with Kristina so I thought I would share.
The reason I was so frustrated at @kristinaschulma is because I've BEEN Kristina. Confused and hurt. I was mad at my old self. Not kristina.
— Raven Gates (@ravengates09) September 5, 2017
We’ve all dated a dean and can see right through him I know it’s hard to see it when you’re actually the one in the relationship but from the outside, you can smell the f*ckboy from a mile away. I try not to judge/hate these contestants from what’s shown on TV because I know a lot has to do with editing and what they decide to show on TV but it’s too hard not to with this guy. I find him completely 3000% disingenuous and a straight up liar. This is due to him saying he “loves” Kristina yet treated her like crap, you don’t do that to people you “love” even if it’s just as a friend. Sorry not sorry he’s straight up full of it. Can’t wait to see him roasted by Kristina and DLO. I think I can go as far as to say I would enjoy seeing Josh Murray again on one of these shows instead of dean. Preferably neither but dean is at the absolute bottom of my list. Anyways I don’t want to waste your time anymore on this dud but I am curious to know if you think we’ll ever see dean again? I know that’s probably hard to predict I’m just curious if someone has acted as poorly as he did before and still made it back on the show. I certainly hope not that’s for sure.
Thank you for all that you do!!
Comment: While I do think Raven was speaking from experience like she expressed in her tweet, I still don’t think she was wrong to say what she did. And I do think she was upset with Kristina and not just because that used to be her. I’m sure that was part of it, but she can feel that but also still be mad at Kristina for not listening or seeing all the signs Dean was throwing her way.
I have no idea if we’ll see Dean again on a future show. But you can bet your ass you’ll see him all over social media hanging with Bachelor people who have tons of IG followers and who sing his praises.
As for Kristina, lets just hope she learns from this. I’m not convinced she has.
1. So what changed, was Peter bluffing for more cash? Or did he finally just give in because of their constant pushing? I’m not exactly sure. I always thought he would end up being it, so when I’d heard he turned it down initially, I was surprised. Whether or not that ever gets acknowledged or brought up, I doubt it. Or they’ll be a flat out denial to make it seem like I had wrong information. I’ll stand by my sources on that one. I also said that day though that I still thought the show would come hard after him and it doesn’t mean he won’t change his mind. Look, anyone looking to build a brand and open up opportunities for themselves would be a moron to turn it down. Peter is most definitely thinking business first here.
2. I follow some bachelor nation people on Instagram and it’s laughable when they all try to change the viewers opinions of other cast members by posting and tweeting that said person is a great person blah blah blah. I mean I don’t think Dean is mean or cruel or a bad person but in the context of the show, a show about “relationships and love” yeah he’s the worst and an a**hole. But some of these bachelor nation people are selling him hard, it’s uncomfortable. It’s pretty transparent.
3. Deans latest Instagram is also laughable. We’re supposed to believe you were a douche to Kristina and it doesn’t matter because she’s out of your league anyway? Lol Total garbage.
4. If Amanda and Robby break up at the reunion because he cheated, why did they go to Mexico together recently? After the cheating?
Comment: I don’t know how to answer that other than to say we saw how Amanda and Josh’s relationship was up and down last year. This isn’t someone who immediately cuts something off when something bad happens in the relationship. That’s all I can think of.