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Update on the Rozlyn Papa Interview

Sometimes stuff comes up, and things get postponed. I apologize, the interview with Rozlyn had to be pushed back a day due to, well, her being a mother. Understandable. I mean, what’s more important: Reality Steve getting the much anticipated interview with the most controversial “Bachelor” contestant ever, or, tending to her kids needs regarding school. C’mon. It’s a no-brainer. Me. And only me. Can’t believe she did this. Where are her priorities? I’m kidding. Here’s an email I received from Rozlyn last night apologizing for not being able to do the interview we were set to record last night.

__________________________________________________
From: Rozlyn Papa xxxxxx@gmail.com
Subject: Can’t wait to talk to you!
To: “Steve C” Steve@realitysteve.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:50 PM

Hey Steve,
I am so sorry we didn’t get to chat tonight! My son has his 101st day of school tomorrow and to celebrate, all the kids are supposed to dress up like dalmatians… Get it? 101 Dalmatians 🙂 Anyway, I was up all night making his little polka dotted outfit. I’ve cleared some time tomorrow evening just for you and I am really looking forward to finally chatting with you! I am a huge fan!

Talk to you tomorrow!
Rozlyn Papa

Sent from my iPhone
___________________________________________________

Now, this is probably a good thing considering the story that TMZ posted late last night on their site saying there’s a sex tape being floated around to a bunch of porn companies, and supposedly Rozlyn is in it. A representative who’s seen the tape says, “it’s definitely Rozlyn” and that the tape features Rozlyn “performing one sexual act with a well-endowed gentleman”. Her rep is saying they have “no knowledge of any tape”. Needless to say, we will address this in the interview tomorrow. I wouldn’t rush to judgment on something like this. If she’s on a tape, it’ll get out and we’ll see it’s her. If it’s not her on the tape, then this was the tabloid press just looking to smear somebody. I’ll withhold judgment until this tape actually appears and there’s proof it’s her. Let’s just pray TMZ is doing what they do best and stirring up interest and none of this is true. God help her if this is actually legit. Then again, Kim Kardashian is famous because of two things:

1) Her dad was the guy who read OJ’s suicide letter to the media when the Juice was zipping down the 405 in the backseat of a white Bronco with a gun in his hand
2) Making a sex tape with Ray J that involved showering. Of the golden kind.

And look where that’s gotten Kim today. Sex tapes are the way to go apparently…ha ha. Joking. Seriously, for Rozlyn’s sake, she better hope it’s not true. I’ll get an answer from her tonight and you’ll hear it tomorrow. See you guys then.

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59 Comments

  1. Phei

    February 24, 2010 at 11:06 PM

    Awwwwwwww!!! Roz is a wonderful mom, looking forward to it, and TMZ are idiots.

  2. Phei

    February 24, 2010 at 11:28 PM

    Corrie had this to say about the WTA:

    Well, since I was completely edited out of last nights show I’m not sure it’s even worth informing y’all of the where abouts of my outfit but since I have gotten emails from a few people who saw me back there somewhere I guess I will. I PROMISE I did talk… but I really only had nice things to say.. and t.v. people don’t like nice, so I was cut. LOL.

    on her blog http://ohsodandy.com/blog/

  3. Vivi

    February 25, 2010 at 1:08 AM

    I’d say, not looking good for Rozlyn …

    TMZ is credible. Not to say the sources to the story credible, but (and unlike UsWeekly, etc.) TMZ wouldn’t publish unless reasonably confident the story is true.

  4. Calvinschick

    February 25, 2010 at 6:21 AM

    Ok Reality Steve, you are a blind man. I play poker for a living, so in reality ( no pun intended) I read people for a living, and Rozlyn was 100% bold face lying!!!! She needs to work on her lying skills. Everytime she was lying she said “absolutely”. That was one of her biggest tells among others. She also looked incredibly guilty on the show when Chris pulled her aside to tell her to go home, notice she never questioned it??
    Ya, it’s pretty obvious and I would like to play poker with YOU someday! Ha!

  5. my_4_girls

    February 25, 2010 at 7:14 AM

    Love your blogs, and don’t mind waiting another day for this interview. i’ll be checking back to see it. Keep up the good work!

  6. my_4_girls

    February 25, 2010 at 7:14 AM

    @phei — i wondered why we didn’t hear much from Corrie on Monday… thanks for the link!

  7. bigpoppaevil

    February 25, 2010 at 7:40 AM

    Just like Wes, Steve is trying to rehabilitate Rozlyn’s image. Too much damage has been done. TMZ doesn’t report a story unless there’s legitimacy behind it. They didn’t say it WAS Papa in the video, just that it’s been shopped around and someone’s claiming it’s her. BIG difference.

    You can throw her all the softball questions you like, smothered in perfume, but you’re not gonna be able to save her, Steve. Those that believe Papa is innocent will continue to do so, and those who weren’t sure I very much doubt you’ll sway to your side. Not any longer.

  8. ashley m

    February 25, 2010 at 7:57 AM

    If Roz did make a sex tape I doubt she is gonna admit to it. Why would she? She is probably hoping it doesn’t come out. I agree with bigpoppaevil, the people who don’t like her, never will and those on the fence won’t either because even if it’s not her in the sex tape, the word it out and this will send them over the edge.

  9. nobody2010

    February 25, 2010 at 7:57 AM

    Calvinschick :Ok Reality Steve, you are a blind man. I play poker for a living, so in reality ( no pun intended) I read people for a living, and Rozlyn was 100% bold face lying!!!! She needs to work on her lying skills. Everytime she was lying she said “absolutely”. That was one of her biggest tells among others. She also looked incredibly guilty on the show when Chris pulled her aside to tell her to go home, notice she never questioned it??Ya, it’s pretty obvious and I would like to play poker with YOU someday! Ha!

    I totally agree with you!

  10. hordac

    February 25, 2010 at 8:16 AM

    Don’t get me wrong Steve, I LOVE what you do, however I do think that YOU believe Rozlyn s**** rainbows! Your spin of her is far more generous then she probably deserves. Can’t wait to see what you say if it IS her in the porn tape. My guess is it will be “so, big deal, young, needed the money for her son, yada yada yada”. I have to agree with other posters in that to go against ABC, you will take the opposing position every time no matter what. I’m not going to say that Rozlyn f***** producer man, but she sure as hell did something inappropriate.

  11. hordac

    February 25, 2010 at 8:18 AM

    By the way, as a mother, I’d like you to ask Rozlyn if that dog costume was actually homemade. Then I’ll be impressed.

  12. nobody2010

    February 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM

    Rozlyn should be on the show for Jake and she is a total looser hitting on other men. She can do whatever she wants, shooting porn in her spare time, but she was on a show to date Jake and she totally killed it.

    Oh dear. Rozlyn, you have just thrown yourself under the bus if this sex tape is legit. And yes, I am afraid it is. I just hope she doesn’t swear on her child’s life over this one….

  13. Phei

    February 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM

    nobody2010 :Rozlyn should be on the show for Jake

    No one goes on the Bachelor for the Bachelor.

  14. mv0934

    February 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM

    Okay people…even though tmz is pretty legit…that doesn’t mean it is confirmed that Rozlyn Papa’s is on the tape. Remember, they are still tabloid site..They don’t go dig up stories and make sure they are completely credible and true before posting. Not everything on tmz as been completely true. These are paps, not professional reporters. Blatt claims that it is her but nowhere does it say that they definately know it is her.

  15. linzbaybe

    February 25, 2010 at 9:24 AM

    SOoooo the producer revealed ‘production secrets’ which was the ‘inappropriate relationship’ that was grounds for dismissal on both their parts. She was not being completely honest, and it showed in the way she defended herself. Hell, what does it matter… after the show finale they all become one big incestuous family anyway.

  16. linzbaybe

    February 25, 2010 at 9:36 AM

    O’ sexually repressed society that we live in, some of the greatest classy people have tapes out there [i.e. Pamela Anderson, Paris Hilton] What’s one more?
    p.s. Even Vienna is now featured on one of Trannysrus websites

  17. Nobody

    February 25, 2010 at 9:59 AM

    Some people are just as stupid as can be… they give Forrest Gump a run for his money. Why would anyone with half a brain allow themselves to be filmed doing the nasty? I’m not saying I think Roz is guilty, but come on, people. You have to know that in this day and age a videotape of this sort WILL make it onto the internet or onto a porno rack at a discount video store somewhere.

    Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe anyone who videotapes themselves having sex.

  18. j_benedict311

    February 25, 2010 at 10:07 AM

    Join Rozlyn’s side of the controversy by becoming a fan of the facebook page.

    Click here to go to the facebook fan page

  19. Vivi

    February 25, 2010 at 10:27 AM

    mv0934 :Okay people…even though tmz is pretty legit…that doesn’t mean it is confirmed that Rozlyn Papa’s is on the tape. Remember, they are still tabloid site..They don’t go dig up stories and make sure they are completely credible and true before posting. Not everything on tmz as been completely true. These are paps, not professional reporters. Blatt claims that it is her but nowhere does it say that they definately know it is her.

    Actually, unlike bottom of the barrel trash tabloids that have zero credibility (such as UsWeekly), TMZ wouldn’t have published that story unless they were reasonably confident that the story true and knew the source as credible, thus highly probably that the girl is Rozlyn.

    However, doesn’t stand to reason that Rozlyn has done porn — only that someone is shopping around a video of Rozlyn having sex.

  20. tvGeo

    February 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM

    @Calvinschick

    I’d be careful about “reading” someone based on a video that was spliced together. I’m not saying you’re wrong in your conclusion, just sayin’ I would prefer to see the un-edited version of the show then I’d be more comfortable reading body-language or identifying “tells”.

    Tiger Wood’s press conference is much better for scrutiny because it was un-edited.

  21. babyfat101

    February 25, 2010 at 11:09 AM

    “the most controversial “Bachelor” contestant ever”? riiiiiight. I’m going out on a limb here and will guess that she will deny she has made a sex tape. OR maybe she was in a loving relationship with Mr Well Endowed and didn’t know the camera was running…

    AND isn’t tmz usually spot on with what they write?

  22. dixie60

    February 25, 2010 at 11:27 AM

  23. Phei

    February 25, 2010 at 11:37 AM

    Good for her, smart girl

  24. nobody2010

    February 25, 2010 at 12:24 PM

    dixie60 :well today she went to E! for a job audition:http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b168842_amid_sex_tape_rumors_bachelors_rozlyn.html

    I thought she suppose to be home making some kind of costume for her kid ……

  25. Deegirl

    February 25, 2010 at 12:35 PM

    There have been several people criticizing Steve for his column lately. As a longtime reader I’m disappointed at the change in this blog. I used to look forward to Tuesday morning to read his hilarious recaps of the Bach. That being said, I don’t blame Steve a bit. When he broke the Jason/Molly/Melissa “scandal” his popularity skyrocketed. He’s been contacted by and mentioned in the mainstream media and he’s rubbing elbows with pseudo- celebrities. Maybe he wants to have his 15 minutes and open up some career options in tabloid reporting.

    ABC isn’t crying either. Their ratings are up. How long can they keep regurgitating this show and keep it interesting without some additional drama aka Brad chooses no one, Jason changes his mind, Wes has a girlfriend, Roz and the producer? If Steve spills the beans and more people watch that’s good for ABC.

    Melissa went on to DWTS and is now on TV. I’m sure all this attention won’t hurt Roz’s career either. I don’t think many people go on this show looking to get married. If it works out great but look at the footage of the ex-contestants shown on WTA special. They are hooking up and having fun. And being recognized doesn’t hurt their dating life at all.

    The show is edited and the situations are staged to heighten emotions. Everyone in the same house competing for the same person and going on some pretty good dates on ABC’s dime. Don’t forget the longer the staying power the more likely you are to get a nice vacation at a five star hotel all expenses paid.

    It’s a TV show. Roz will survive. Steve might cash in. There are several funny blogs out there like Steve used to write so I visit those sites for a laugh. Although as far as funny goes Steve was the best.

  26. thewipf

    February 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM

    The saddest thing is that you couldn’t do this interview a week ago. If more people could have heard her full story before the WTA they would have been able to see what a slime ball Chris is. For example when you know the story behind the producer and his dad visiting her you could see that Chris was setting up his whole little line about her meeting the parents just to make her look guilty. He completely manipulated the conversation. I agree with others on here that people have made up their minds at this point and it will be hard to change. Look even people that have commented to this thread still some how believe that her lack of shock when Chris tells her it’s time leave, proves that there are just some

  27. thewipf

    February 25, 2010 at 12:50 PM

    nobody2010 :

    dixie60 :well today she went to E! for a job audition:http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b168842_amid_sex_tape_rumors_bachelors_rozlyn.html

    I thought she suppose to be home making some kind of costume for her kid ……

    It says she was there on Tues. wrong day. Chris has been saying that she has only been talking out to draw attention to herself because she is trying to get in the biz. She is a model and makeup artist. She has most likely been doing auditions for years. It seems like if Chris and ABCs story were true that Roz would get better publicity by saying that she is seeing the producer. ABC could claim they killed two birds with one stone, by creating two different couples from one season of the bachelor.

  28. Artzilla

    February 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM

    “If it’s not her on the tape, then this was the tabloid press just looking to smear somebody.”

    Or ABC getting back at her for telling a story on air that made Chris Harrison look bad. Although CH was doing a bangup job of that already in the hostile, mocking way he approached her in the interview.

  29. Artzilla

    February 25, 2010 at 1:18 PM

    Vivi Actually, unlike bottom of the barrel trash tabloids that have zero credibility (such as UsWeekly)

    So because Us Weekly actually spoke directly on the record to people that showed Vienna’s seamier side, although these people went on the record with full names and details, they have zero credibility to you?

  30. Bernie

    February 25, 2010 at 1:23 PM

    Um. Rozlyn’s email to Steve is a publicity stunt. Of course she needs to redeem herself by lying about how she’s at home making a costume for her child.

    I think given how defensive and angry she was getting with Chris on Monday, and she is not acting because when she tried to act on the Bachelor it came across as cheesy, she is definitely a pathological liar. Strikes me as one of those people who can’t decipher the lies from reality anymore.

    Just another girl trying to get her foot in the door and comes across as a total idiot.

  31. Artzilla

    February 25, 2010 at 1:29 PM

    Bernie :
    U
    I think given how defensive and angry she was getting with Chris on Monday,

    Well, when someone goes on the offensive the way Chris Harrison did, and starts off an interview with the condescending-as-hell line, ” What is true, in your mind?” then he absolutely deserved the flamebroiling she gave him so well. A non asshole might have phrased the question, “What do you want people to know about this?” CH’s intenmt in phrasing it the way he did was to imply that she was somehow deluded, and he really came across as a world class ass.

    He is an arrogant jerk. I would not be surprised if the sex tape story was something leaked from Harrison’s camp itself.

  32. Bernie

    February 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM

    Artzilla do you also think the girls did not see what they said they saw?

  33. Artzilla

    February 25, 2010 at 2:13 PM

    Bernie :
    Artzilla do you also think the girls did not see what they said they saw?

    Yes, I do, considering that one week they went on record as having not seen anything unusual, and suddenly this week, there is an “on all fours on the couch” story. And a “making out on the stairs story. And Valiesha retracting whatever she said. And Corrie saying that she had nothing bad to say about Rozlyn, then having her screen time on WTA reduced to a blooper clip of “Corrie, did you just fart?”

    It makes ABC/CH look pretty vindictive.

  34. Phei

    February 25, 2010 at 2:20 PM

    Agrred Art, how can Jessie say she didn’t see anything out of the ordinary one day and the next say she saw them kissing. I mean come on people.

  35. Lilo

    February 25, 2010 at 2:38 PM

    Rozlyn is such a liar and RealitySteve is too horny for her to see that.

  36. rocketter

    February 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM

    Off Topic—-but RS could you look into the “Survivor” scandal involving Parvati and Russell??? Seems like Parvati got some insider info on Russell who was supposed to be ‘unknown’ to the others?? Is that how she got to end??? hmmmmm thanks!!

  37. lgm

    February 25, 2010 at 2:56 PM

    Anybody ever seen the film “Wag the Dog?” Seen the loudest voice prevail in the media? Seen Warning Colors raised from Yellow to Red if there is a vote pending? Then maybe we should be wondering if ABC and the Producers floated this rumor at an opportune moment. AAAAAALLLLL this time with no word of the tape, then Rozlyn actually agrees to appear AND faces off pretty bravely and effectively and suddenly….there’s a sex tape? RIGHT! But for all those “where there’s smoke there’s fire” “guilty before proven innocent” and and misogynistic women I suppose it’s a good ploy. Yaaaaawn!

  38. NYC

    February 25, 2010 at 3:34 PM

    The show is on for one more week. Why is everyone still rabid about bashing Roz. After next week it really won’t matter anymore.

  39. lemon-lime

    February 25, 2010 at 3:35 PM

    I consider myself a modest woman.but, there was a time in my life (around 17/18) where I could have very easily been convinced to make a sex tape. I did at that age pose for some raunchy pictures my boyfriend took. Pictures hustler wouldn’t print. All I’m saying is, young women especially ones who were lacking a strong father figure growing up, often crave attention from males. Men sense this, and use it to their advantage. I was desperate for male approval/love.
    I’m 31 now, and I sure am glad I didn’t get killed or ended up a crack whore. Looking back at all of my teenage antics, I have no idea what I was thinking.
    Even if it is Roz on the tape, I don’t think she should be judged. I mean, if she’s not doing those things now, I don’t think the tape is relevant. How many of us can really say we’ve lived a saintly life?

  40. CCM

    February 25, 2010 at 3:37 PM

    Wow. Steve, thanks for sharing the E-Mail from Roz. However, I am surprised that the two you don’t converse in Whoreanese. Cheers!

  41. Maybaybie

    February 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM

    My son is 6 and today he had his 100th day of school and they had a big celebration. All the kids made projects (my son made a poster with 100 snakes on it- they are his favorite), so I tend to believe what she said about her son. I will hold my judgement on the other stuff until there is proof. I’ve been a longtime Steve reader and I have seen the shift in the slimy-ness of the show since the beginning. They are trying to keep it interesting and unfortunately people love drama. Remember the good ‘ole days of Little House on the Prairie, Family Ties, Growing Pains- no one would watch that now. Who wants a good old fashioned love story when you can have sex, lies, and videotape? It’s sad, but we still watch. What’s sadder is that some people actually believe what they are seeing.

  42. lemon-lime

    February 25, 2010 at 3:54 PM

    On my daughter’s 100th day of kindergarten, they released a 100 balloons. So cute.

  43. Amy89

    February 25, 2010 at 4:10 PM

    why is a sex tape a big deal? everybody has sex right? and nobody is making anybody watch it – every animal on this planet has sex..its not a big deal!

  44. bigpoppaevil

    February 25, 2010 at 4:31 PM

    I doubt ABC has anything to do with the sex tape; the guy who’s shopping it just waiting until everything surrounding Roz hit fever pitch (i.e. the WTA episode). Still not proven it’s her, so it’s wait and see.

  45. jeffsaysno

    February 25, 2010 at 4:35 PM

    The guy that says “it’s definitely Rozlyn” is the owner of some porn company. If I owned a porn company, I’d probably say that Angelina Jolie did one of my porns, and Jennifer Aniston another.

  46. Wes Supporter

    February 25, 2010 at 5:25 PM

    Ladies, let this be a lesson to you. No matter how “hot” you think you are, don’t degrade yourself by acting like Roz — ie, exposing your crotch, doing the shimmy to attract guys, etc You may like the attention you get in the moment, but you will be dismissed as a dimwitted bimbo — and no one will take you seriously.

    As for Roz, I am not fan of hers. I think she exploits her sexuality. Imagine how much more impact she would have, with her beauty, if she were modest and conducted herself with class and discretion instead of acting like a sex craved maniac.

    Having said that, I support Steve and Roz here. Let’s break this down, shall we:

    Motive: ABC dismissed Roz and the producer for an “inappropriate relationship,” implying they had slept together. However, after that happened, Roz told the public that she had merely used the phone of a producer after she was told she could only speak on the phone with the cameras rolling.

    Why would the producer be fired?

    He could have been fired for merely violating protocol and disobeying orders. His loyalty was with a contestant, not the show. That alone is grounds for dismissal.

    Roz’s willful breaking of the rules is also grounds for dismissal.

    Why I beileve Roz:

    1. None of the women saw a thing after she was dismissed. They suddenly remembered things after being coached for WTA.
    2. The women contradicted themselves.
    3. CH couldn’t confirm a thing – so he had to rely on hearsay. Did he dismiss a woman based upon gossip from other women who might have been jealous of Roz?
    4. THere was no evidence of this supposed relationship on film.
    5. After allegedly having tried to manufacture a scandal for ratings, ABC needed to save its ass and the reputation of its show — and so it threw Roz and the producer under a bus.

    Do you not think ABC would be capable of this?

    Consider this: how the networks manufactured the scandal to convince the public to support the war on Iraq. Their journalists took to the air and blatantly lied.

    Michael Jackson. Martin Bashir got an exclusive with MJ for Nightline. In turn, MB used that opportunity to try to sell MJ as a pedophile. Statements were taken out of context. Insinuations were made. MB blatantly lied and misrepresented the entire interview to convince the public that MJ was molesting his children. Later, MJ produced his own video which contradicted MJ’s documentary. MB later retracted the entire story and admitted that MJ was a good man.

    Why did MB do this? There was great ratings to be had by casting MJ as a freak and a pedo. In additon, MJ was challenging a record label on fraud charges or some other legal matter in a case which could have cost that company $millions. What better way to shoot MJ down that to ruin his reputation. ABC did this and deliberately.

    Look. I don’t like Roz. I think she is stunning and very quick on her feet. I think she exploits her sexuality. Smart, good, decent women don’t do that. Yes, it’s easy. yes, society encourages women to let it all hang out and to use our parts as power. But women with true integrity and who respect men and respect male-female relationships conduct themselves in more respectful fashion.

    However, ABC had motive, opportunity, and a part record of lying and character assassinations — stemming from even their NEWS DIVISION, which should be their flagship of integrity. They do it without so much as a second thought on behalf of their own bottom line. What was at stake here? CH, Mike Fleiss, and the Bachelor show made out to be a big, mendacious Joke.

    What other motive might they have had? If CH did indeed have an affair with the producer’s wife, what better way to get rid of the problem then to fire the producer. Isn’t that what happens when a powerful man makes a pass at a female coworker who rejects him? He fires her and gets rid of the problem and humiliation she reminds him of? I can’t tell you that when Roz confronted him with that statement, that he looked mortified and stunned. THat was not the reaction of someone who was guilt-less. If she had lied, he could have laughed at her. IN fact, I saw him laughing as women were saying outrageous things are her alleged “inappropriate relationship.”

    ABC is lying to save its ass. Because she is fighting back, they are going to use all the power at their disposal to destroy her. Worst of all, their propaganda effort appears to be working. Look at the posts on here.

    The statements were absurd. ANd Gia’s comment after Roz denied the relationship — that “why didn’t you just leave the show since you were in love with him.” Roz said nothing happened – and yet, Gia acted as though the accusation was the gospel truth, even though it was based on hearsay.

    Also, why did ABC have a need to zoom in on facial expressionsn of disbelief and disgust at Roz? That is subliminal programming. Those people must think she is guilty — so she must be. The audience members are ABC employees., They were coached too! Did you notice when the audience clapped to support points ROz made that the applause was edited out? You heard the beginning for a second and then it stopped abruptly.

    If she were guilty, why did they sequester her away from the other women? Wouldn’t it have made for better TV and higher ratings to have her sitting there among them?

    As for the women’s statements, consider Gia’s statement that Roz shoudl have been grateful for the opportunity ABC gave her. Imagine that ABC’s contract stipulates that the participants have to say what they are told. They are given lines to read. If these women wanrt opportunities for celebrity, do you think they woudl defy ABC? Did Tanner not claim he heard Wes admit to a girlfriend on MTA only to retract it afterwards on grounds that ABC made him say it?

    Come on. ABC is selling a scandal. There was no need for details. If ABC had any class and integrity, they could have allowed Roz to say her piece and then say that they could agree to disagree, instead of asking for details which publicly embarrassed and damaged Roz’s reputation for life.

    As for her visiting him, if Roz were lying about everything else, why didn’t she lie about seeing him too, given how that visit would look? People are consistent, and yet she was upfront about that. There are many reasons why he could have visited her, many of which have nothing to do with sex. Most people assume sex since she is gorgeous and she was made out to be a harlot. But the man’s father accompanied him. How romantic would that be? In addition, don’t you think that if you were being accused of illicit things as part of a national smear campaign, that you woudln’t want to seek support and even counsel from others who were being smeared alonjg with you? Maybe you’d even want to develop a strategy and figure out how to combat this.

    Given how lacking in integrity ABC is, I am inclined to disbelieve ABC,

    Roz is not my kind of person, but I do believer her account of what happened. Yes, she might have flirted a little, as that is her nature, but does it even make sense from the producer’s perspective that he would be canoodling with Roz after she got intimate with another man just hours earlier? WHat man wants sloppy seconds? Plus he is married.
    ABC’s version of events does not make sense, IMO.

  47. Vivi

    February 25, 2010 at 6:21 PM

    Artzilla :

    Vivi Actually, unlike bottom of the barrel trash tabloids that have zero credibility (such as UsWeekly)

    So because Us Weekly actually spoke directly on the record to people that showed Vienna’s seamier side, although these people went on the record with full names and details, they have zero credibility to you?

    No, because UsWeekly isn’t credible. Hasn’t been since becoming a weekly and, simply put, credibility doesn’t sell weekly magazines specializing in celebrity gossip and scandals.

  48. Artzilla

    February 25, 2010 at 7:11 PM

    Vivi :

    Artzilla :

    Vivi Actually, unlike bottom of the barrel trash tabloids that have zero credibility (such as UsWeekly)

    So because Us Weekly actually spoke directly on the record to people that showed Vienna’s seamier side, although these people went on the record with full names and details, they have zero credibility to you?

    No, because UsWeekly isn’t credible. Hasn’t been since becoming a weekly and, simply put, credibility doesn’t sell weekly magazines specializing in celebrity gossip and scandals.

    According to you. So tell me why your opinion deserves any credibility?

  49. Artzilla

    February 25, 2010 at 7:13 PM

    Vivi simply put, credibility doesn’t sell weekly magazines specializing in celebrity gossip and scandals.

    But exclusive on the record interviews with people who give their names and details, do sell weekly magazines. Such as the cover story interview Kelly Osbourne gave to Us this week.

  50. Phei

    February 25, 2010 at 8:32 PM

    Wes Supporter :Ladies, let this be a lesson to you. No matter how “hot” you think you are, don’t degrade yourself by acting like Roz — ie, exposing your crotch, doing the shimmy to attract guys, etc You may like the attention you get in the moment, but you will be dismissed as a dimwitted bimbo — and no one will take you seriously.
    As for Roz, I am not fan of hers. I think she exploits her sexuality. Imagine how much more impact she would have, with her beauty, if she were modest and conducted herself with class and discretion instead of acting like a sex craved maniac.
    Having said that, I support Steve and Roz here. Let’s break this down, shall we:
    Motive: ABC dismissed Roz and the producer for an “inappropriate relationship,” implying they had slept together. However, after that happened, Roz told the public that she had merely used the phone of a producer after she was told she could only speak on the phone with the cameras rolling.
    Why would the producer be fired?
    He could have been fired for merely violating protocol and disobeying orders. His loyalty was with a contestant, not the show. That alone is grounds for dismissal.
    Roz’s willful breaking of the rules is also grounds for dismissal.
    Why I beileve Roz:
    1. None of the women saw a thing after she was dismissed. They suddenly remembered things after being coached for WTA.2. The women contradicted themselves.3. CH couldn’t confirm a thing – so he had to rely on hearsay. Did he dismiss a woman based upon gossip from other women who might have been jealous of Roz?4. THere was no evidence of this supposed relationship on film.5. After allegedly having tried to manufacture a scandal for ratings, ABC needed to save its ass and the reputation of its show — and so it threw Roz and the producer under a bus.
    Do you not think ABC would be capable of this?
    Consider this: how the networks manufactured the scandal to convince the public to support the war on Iraq. Their journalists took to the air and blatantly lied.
    Michael Jackson. Martin Bashir got an exclusive with MJ for Nightline. In turn, MB used that opportunity to try to sell MJ as a pedophile. Statements were taken out of context. Insinuations were made. MB blatantly lied and misrepresented the entire interview to convince the public that MJ was molesting his children. Later, MJ produced his own video which contradicted MJ’s documentary. MB later retracted the entire story and admitted that MJ was a good man.
    Why did MB do this? There was great ratings to be had by casting MJ as a freak and a pedo. In additon, MJ was challenging a record label on fraud charges or some other legal matter in a case which could have cost that company $millions. What better way to shoot MJ down that to ruin his reputation. ABC did this and deliberately.
    Look. I don’t like Roz. I think she is stunning and very quick on her feet. I think she exploits her sexuality. Smart, good, decent women don’t do that. Yes, it’s easy. yes, society encourages women to let it all hang out and to use our parts as power. But women with true integrity and who respect men and respect male-female relationships conduct themselves in more respectful fashion.
    However, ABC had motive, opportunity, and a part record of lying and character assassinations — stemming from even their NEWS DIVISION, which should be their flagship of integrity. They do it without so much as a second thought on behalf of their own bottom line. What was at stake here? CH, Mike Fleiss, and the Bachelor show made out to be a big, mendacious Joke.
    What other motive might they have had? If CH did indeed have an affair with the producer’s wife, what better way to get rid of the problem then to fire the producer. Isn’t that what happens when a powerful man makes a pass at a female coworker who rejects him? He fires her and gets rid of the problem and humiliation she reminds him of? I can’t tell you that when Roz confronted him with that statement, that he looked mortified and stunned. THat was not the reaction of someone who was guilt-less. If she had lied, he could have laughed at her. IN fact, I saw him laughing as women were saying outrageous things are her alleged “inappropriate relationship.”
    ABC is lying to save its ass. Because she is fighting back, they are going to use all the power at their disposal to destroy her. Worst of all, their propaganda effort appears to be working. Look at the posts on here.
    The statements were absurd. ANd Gia’s comment after Roz denied the relationship — that “why didn’t you just leave the show since you were in love with him.” Roz said nothing happened – and yet, Gia acted as though the accusation was the gospel truth, even though it was based on hearsay.
    Also, why did ABC have a need to zoom in on facial expressionsn of disbelief and disgust at Roz? That is subliminal programming. Those people must think she is guilty — so she must be. The audience members are ABC employees., They were coached too! Did you notice when the audience clapped to support points ROz made that the applause was edited out? You heard the beginning for a second and then it stopped abruptly.
    If she were guilty, why did they sequester her away from the other women? Wouldn’t it have made for better TV and higher ratings to have her sitting there among them?
    As for the women’s statements, consider Gia’s statement that Roz shoudl have been grateful for the opportunity ABC gave her. Imagine that ABC’s contract stipulates that the participants have to say what they are told. They are given lines to read. If these women wanrt opportunities for celebrity, do you think they woudl defy ABC? Did Tanner not claim he heard Wes admit to a girlfriend on MTA only to retract it afterwards on grounds that ABC made him say it?
    Come on. ABC is selling a scandal. There was no need for details. If ABC had any class and integrity, they could have allowed Roz to say her piece and then say that they could agree to disagree, instead of asking for details which publicly embarrassed and damaged Roz’s reputation for life.
    As for her visiting him, if Roz were lying about everything else, why didn’t she lie about seeing him too, given how that visit would look? People are consistent, and yet she was upfront about that. There are many reasons why he could have visited her, many of which have nothing to do with sex. Most people assume sex since she is gorgeous and she was made out to be a harlot. But the man’s father accompanied him. How romantic would that be? In addition, don’t you think that if you were being accused of illicit things as part of a national smear campaign, that you woudln’t want to seek support and even counsel from others who were being smeared alonjg with you? Maybe you’d even want to develop a strategy and figure out how to combat this.
    Given how lacking in integrity ABC is, I am inclined to disbelieve ABC,
    Roz is not my kind of person, but I do believer her account of what happened. Yes, she might have flirted a little, as that is her nature, but does it even make sense from the producer’s perspective that he would be canoodling with Roz after she got intimate with another man just hours earlier? WHat man wants sloppy seconds? Plus he is married.ABC’s version of events does not make sense, IMO.

    Excellent comment Wes, just one little thing I would correct though, Ryan actually was already divorced and was dating another woman in the entertainment business. He was as single as Roz

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