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Two More Confirmed Contestants, Pics from Ashley’s First 1-on-1 date, and More “Reader Emails” – 3/18/11

I thought it would be interesting to get your take on the fake twitter account set up for Emily. It’s actually pretty “creepy” (as Brad puts it), when you scroll through all of the tweets, twitpics etc. How would someone have access to pictures of her daughter? If anyone would know, Reality Steve would.

Comment: Yes, it is pretty creepy but not the least bit surprising. People have a lot of time on their hands apparently and talking on message boards and creating fake twitter accounts for other people I guess is entertaining to them. No idea why this is, but I know it exists. What do you think is more “creepy”: Someone creating a fake Twitter account for Emily pretending to be her, or, people who anonymously send posts back and forth to each other every day for months talking about this show and everything involved? The latter scares the crap out of me. Those people shouldn’t be able to reproduce.

On that note, I was informed last night by an emailer that a very prominent message board has been shut down for the upcoming season of the “Bachelorette”. Uh oh. Suicide watch might want to be on now. I don’t know how some of these people are going to survive anymore. I take great pleasure in knowing that my site probably contributed at least a little to that board getting shut down considering they loved to talk about me over there. But seriously, I’m worried for those people. Keep all sharp objects, ropes, stools, and shower rods away from them. God knows what they’re feeling now that they can’t anonymously post back and forth all day about how much they hate me. Good riddance. They were dragging society down anyway.
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Does the F2 get to fly home with anyone? Do they have any support after they are rejected from a friend, family member, or even their handler? That is quite a long flight to sit heartbroken by yourself.

Comment: I believe they fly back with their handler to the states, then fly home from there by themselves. As for the therapist, I know the show has one for anyone who has emotional trauma or whatever from this awful experience, but I guess it’s up to each individuals discretion if they want to use them.
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(This has easily been the #1 question that has been asked to me in the last week. Easily got 20-30 emails asking this question in some fashion)

Love your site!

I’m confused about something though. On your March 8 column, you said they were taping ATFR that day. Who are the audience members? If no one is supposed to know who he picked then how do they tape ATFR prior to the showing of the final episode with a room full of audience members?

Comment: The audience in attendance for the WTA and ATFR tapings have to sign confidentiality agreements saying they will not disclose what they saw. So yes, they see things before everyone else, but their contract states they can’t tell anyone. Whether they choose to obey that contract is completely up to them.
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Why do you think they recast for Ashley H once Chantal supposedly turned down the offer to be the bachelorette? You said the show never do casting specifically based on the lead’s preference.

Comment: Well, here’s my take on that. When I told you I had three guys who made final casting of this season’s “Bachelorette” and all of them told me “I got a call saying they were going in a different direction”, I honestly just think that’s a line they’re fed by producers as an excuse to just say “We didn’t choose you”. Maybe they don’t want them to feel bad, I don’t know. I mean, just looking at both Ashley and Chantal, it’s not like they’re so completely polar opposites that you’d have to do this massive change in casting. So I think it was just a line they are fed. Kinda like when you dump someone and say, “It’s not you, it’s me”, when in reality you mean “It’s definitely you”.
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I guess this is a good gig for you, but I can’t believe people would invest their time in watching the show and not want to enjoy the journey by reading your stuff. I know a girl who revealed the winner twice to me, I was pissed off. She reveled in telling me – I guess similar to what you do. I will continue ignoring you.

Comment: Did someone just take the time to email me to tell me they’re going to ignore me? Uhhhhhh, ok. Whatever floats your boat. You’ll be back next season. I guarantee it.
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50 Comments

  1. chica54

    March 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    Steve, you never cease to amaze me… I can’t believe you already have info and pictures of Ashley’s season when the filming just started Wednesday. I enjoy reading your column even though you are a bit sarcastic and self-serving at times. But you do warn us with the header for your column. Keep up the good work!

  2. SherryfromD

    March 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    Ashley looks so boring in these pictures while filming. I dont know why any of the 25 guys would even care/be into her.

    The responses about what the danger dates would be in Germany (firing line, russian roulette) were hilarious as well as your answer to if anyone’s been on with a physical disability (no except for Jesse being a dwarf). Hahaha!

    What board was it that got shut down for Bachelorette? Why was it shut down?

  3. Moogan21

    March 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    reader emails on friday are what the hack off is to the jungle.
    a train wreck you can’t help but love.

    thanks for doing these blogs; don’t know what i’m going to do (during downtime at work) during the off seaosn :(!

  4. amylynn

    March 18, 2011 at 12:09 PM

    McLean or “McDreamy” is sure eye candy for us!! Yummy! haha ( : Chris Dish, not so much. I don’t see Ryan (McLean) being into Ashley at all though – but I am sure and hope he will make it far – Can’t wait to see more and more pics of the guys pop up on your site.

    As far as the board being shut down, I hope they don’t start posting their nonsense to your site (re:comments).

    KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK, RS!
    ( :

  5. chica54

    March 18, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    FYI, they are not completely shutting down the board at FORT. They are just not going to allow sleuthing and spoilers this season. Only general discussion of the episodes.

  6. Nobody

    March 18, 2011 at 12:46 PM

    @Chica:

    Apparently they decided that the “sluethers” were getting far too involved in their psychotic activities. They also got tired of posters attacking people who make comments about their favorites, much like what happens frequently on the ABC board. Go ahead and say something negative about Emily over there and see how many people come out of the woodworks to defend her and tell you how terrible a person you are.

    The mods at FORT feel the people who go on the TV show are fair game while the posters are not. Too many people got far too emotionally involved that they (the mods) decided to put an end to the madness.

  7. RTV

    March 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    FORT..lol A bunch of menapausal old bitties who life if posting on that site. They hide behinde their usernames and act like they know everything about stuff, when they just copy what RS posts in his blog. They had it coming with all their nasty remarks. It’s a loser site, you are correct Steve!

  8. Nobody

    March 18, 2011 at 1:04 PM

    Statement from FORT:

    Announcement regarding the upcoming season of The Bachelorette

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    Sleuthing started on this site as a way to win the rose ceremony game on the ABC site. They no longer run those contests, and sleuthing has morphed into something entirely different, something we don’t wish to cover any longer.
    The season has turned into ups and downs with various dubious “insiders” telling everyone what happens.
    Moderation has become a nightmare as people get too attached to their favorites and cannot stand to hear a bad word about them – which is completely against our site philosophy.
    Posters who try to say something humorous are shouted down and told there is something wrong with them – which is against our rules AND our site philosophy.
    The abundance of spoilers has attracted low quality posters who demand information and don’t contribute to discussions.
    There is a large quantity of people who can’t separate the fact that the people on TV are fair game while posters around them are not – something that is not a problem in other show forums. It’s a simple concept that should be easy to understand, yet time and time again people have complained to us that we are being too mean to their favorite contestant.
    There really isn’t any reason, nor is it healthy, to need to know from week one who the winner is of a show like The Bachelor. No one has a big bet running in Las Vegas, do they? Of all shows, this one should just be watched and enjoyed as it unfolds. What is the point of gloating that you know the winner in a show about people getting to know each other? The journey itself should be the interesting part, not “he picks the blonde.”
    The behavior in this forum has made us a laughing stock at other sites. It’s destroying the reputation of this site, and we don’t feel like we can let that go on.

    We had a problem like this in the past with the forum for America’s Next Top Model, but in that case, the posters were mostly teenagers and unruly behavior wasn’t so surprising. The constant squabbling in threads, paying no attention to the subject of the threads, refusing to follow rules that are no problem elsewhere on the site, moaning about any changes we might make in a desperate bid to accommodate everyone, resistance to anything that would help make moderation easier for our staff (who are not paid employees, they are volunteers with real lives and jobs and other concerns in their lives besides The Bachelor 24 hours a day) – it’s too much. Add to that the embarrassment of a large portion of posters who have trouble distinguishing between real life and what they see on screen, and you’ll have the Bachelor Spoiler/Sleuthing forum.

    As such, we’ve decided that we need a break. We’re not going to allow sleuthing or spoilers on the site for The Bachelorette season. We highly encourage anyone who wants to watch the show to rethink how they experience the show. Just relax and watch it on TV without worrying over the final pick. Dating shows can be a lot of fun, filled with unintentional comedy, and we will be talking about the show in the regular, non-spoiled Bachelorette forum. If you cannot unplug yourself from the mania of knowing every detail before it airs, find another site for the time being.

    If you have ever responded snottily to an infraction, accused us of favoring one contestant over another, tried to sneak in jabs with the hopes that the forum moves too quickly that we wouldn’t notice, or piled on a poster because everyone else was doing it, even when you knew it would get deleted, congratulations – YOU are the reason we are shutting down spoilers.

  9. RTV

    March 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM

    I went there one time this season and never went back. ugh..a bunch of hot air pompous old bags on that site.

  10. ARJ34

    March 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM

    Great pics TJB. Mommas proud. You are always in the right place at the right time. xoxo

  11. mommyof2

    March 18, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    I went to that FORT site recently after reading comments about it on this site. The posts were just crazy. I couldn’t understand why people were so obsessed. I just read this site and the comments. I use to go to the Lost boards on ABC when Lost was on, and the conversations were highly intellectual, interesting, etc… Although that’s gone now, at least I can laugh and enjoy Steve’s commentary and get some inside info. that makes the show even more entertaining. I don’t have time to look elsewhere. Thanks, Steve, for the recent pics from Ashley’s season. 🙂

  12. poddington

    March 18, 2011 at 3:09 PM

    As a long time customer of the Flying Fig,I have never laid eyes on Ryan… Probably hard at work in the kitchen. The food is amazing at the fig so this guy may be a keeper (although in all fairness he is not the head chef). I would love, love, love to see a hometown date. I would do some re-con work if I still lived around there.

  13. Sunnyside422

    March 18, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    Well I too hope Ryan sticks around. Unless he is a total dork, she’d be nuts to let him go. As to Ryan getting excited about Ashley…doubt it. She is a very average looking girl, but maybe personality will emerge and turn her into a darling. Time will tell.

  14. cangel44

    March 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM

    looks like McDreamy’s Twitter and his FB page have been taking down….looks like ABC has been reading your page again Steve!! But McDreamy will give us someone to dream about and I am sure he will be the next Bachelor….=)

  15. Swimgirl5

    March 18, 2011 at 6:04 PM

    The Bachelor(ette)/F1 wear disguises when traveling to meet each other. I forgot where I saw it but Ali was dressed up in her disguise and it was basically sunglasses, a dark short bob wig and a business suit.

  16. dr8834

    March 18, 2011 at 8:29 PM

    Wow if she marries Chris she’ll be Mrs. Dish lol.

    I wouldn’t choose Mickey… Chances that here’s there to “find love” are slim to none.

  17. jessica1

    March 19, 2011 at 2:38 AM

    Seriously Steve? I’m sure to get slagged as having no humor but really…you say ‘What’s the adrenaline dates on the German version? On a firing line to see if you can avoid getting sniped? A game of Russian Roulette?’

    Stupid American, generalized comment, party of one.

    And you think “people who anonymously send posts back and forth to each other every day for months talking about this show and everything involved? The latter scares the crap out of me. Those people shouldn’t be able to reproduce.”

    Bahahaaa!! That’s funny. It’s like you’re the guy who says “I know there are monkeys in the forest who like bananas and so I’m going to put a big pile of bananas right here, in the form of a blog. And I’ll spend lots of time developing that banana-blog and HOLY SHITE there are monkeys all over!! Where did they come from?! They scare me!”

    The lack of self-awareness is knee slapping funny. Like when you’ve repeatedly stated that Maddie only gets treats in the bedroom…I’m sure it’s because of all the work you had to do; you coaxing her out of her fear after first being adopted. But the double entendre. Seriously funny.

  18. kc

    March 19, 2011 at 3:48 AM

    The email to you from the person from Germany was articulate, well-expressed and perfectly grammatically-correct in English.

    Your response was both embarrassing & shameful (for we Americans who don’t make stereotypes of others from other countries) and therefore not funny .. and .. not grammatically-correct in English.. (even though its your native tongue).

    so as much as i usually appreciate you column, i agree with this part of what jessica1 said:
    “Stupid American, generalized comment, party of one.”

  19. IrishCdnDebs

    March 19, 2011 at 9:09 AM

    @Jessica1 and @kc – right on!

    I come to get a laugh of RS’s self-absorbed rantings on the franchise but keep returning because I get more of a laugh from the comments.

  20. carol1975

    March 19, 2011 at 11:59 AM

    Jessica1 & kc, you took the words right out of my mouth!

    I’m with you about the Germany comment. Stupid and uncalled for. Why is he trying so hard to look like a conceited, square american who can’t stay away from stereotypes?

    Steve’s blog is good for spoilers, and it is somewhat funny but those people who say it’s well-written should go back to school and take English 101 all over again. There are a lot of other blogs, 100 times better written and who don’t use cheap jokes to get attention. If it wasn’t for the spoilers I garantee Steve wouldn’t have as many followers as he does, especially with his attitude. He is like the male version of those people he criticiZes from FORT.

  21. mommyof2

    March 19, 2011 at 12:21 PM

    I have to agree w/ the posts in regards to the fan from Germany. Steve, your comment- even if you were trying to be sarcastic and funny- makes us Americans look ignorant.

    In regards to Fleiss’ and Chris Harrison’s comments about Ashley H. being the first professional bachelorette, uh…. huh? Isn’t she still a student in dental school? She hasn’t worked/made a living in her chosen profession yet, so she’s not yet a professional. No offense to Ashley, of course, as she will be one in the near future assuming she completes school and continues in her profession (obviously she’s smart and driven, etc…). However, this was a completely disrespectful comment to the previous bachelorettes who no doubt, have worked hard in their jobs prior to their turn on the bachelorette, and afterwards as well. Did Fleiss or the reporter take a look at each of the former bachelorette’s resume’s before making that comment? Doubt it.

  22. Sal1968

    March 19, 2011 at 2:41 PM

    I’m with the person who said the Germany comment was just supid and uncalled for. .. and I also agree that Steve’s blog it is somewhat funny but those
    people who say it’s well-written should go back to school and take English 101 all over again. No kidding – there are a lot of other blogs –
    100 times better written- and they don’t use cheap jokes to get attention.
    You know for me sarcasm is funny. …in small, occasional doses. In large doses, it is not.
    The fact is that sarcasm is masquerading as humor in contemporary culture today.
    One of the most popular sit-coms in re-run is
    “Everybody Loves Raymond.” Out of curiosity, I tried to watch an episode.
    The script consisted of one insult after another, each accompanied by a laugh track. I had enough
    after about ten minutes and gave up. That sit-com program is by no
    means exceptional in this regard. So I guess I see that it’s certainly understandable, albeit lamentable, that
    many of today’s young people think that put-downs and insults are the stuff of authentic humor.
    They are not.

  23. jennstinn

    March 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM

    Ok, that Germany comment may have been ignorant, but, uh this WHOLE BLOG makes Americans look stupid, not just that comment. I say that as a regular reader, and a regular commenter. I mean, I really doubt anyone reading this blog or writing to RS expected an intelligent comment back about the German Bachelor.

    On another note–I am looking forward to seeing Ashley as Bach/ette. I wasn’t a huge fan of Chantal, but after seeing/hearing more from her since end of season, I have no doubt she would have made a good lead. When her and the boy break up, she’s going to regret turning it down (although maybe they’d still let her do it later on?).

    Also I got the impression that when Emily said he should “save some stuff for her” that she was definitely talking about B having sex with Chantal. Sounds like they both knew he was into her from early on, and she probably just didn’t expect him to do that with her. And prob. didn’t expect to see him having fun with anyone but her.

    And it definitely sounded like on the ATFR special that Brad knew he was going to be with Emily, and kept Chantal around because he knew that’s who he’d have the most fun with. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing unless he slept with her knowing he was going to send her home the next week and because she REPEATEDLY asked him to send her home if he knew it wasn’t her. So that sucks of him.

  24. finerthings

    March 19, 2011 at 7:09 PM

    Ashley’s season is going to be SOOO boring. Her hair looks boring, her clothes look boring, she is not animated in any way. Ugh..why, Chantal, why?!??!

  25. JenJen

    March 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    @RTV – For your information, FORT released the F1 for the past two seasons (Roberto and Emily) BEFORE Steve did. So get your facts straight before you attack them.

  26. Susan

    March 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM

    Been reading this blog ever since you started and love it. I could care less that the ending was different. Obviously they’ve figured out a way to keep that under wraps. You had every date, every elimination exact, which I enjoy and will keep coming back every season.

    As far as the pictures, now I understand why the dates seem so awkward when they show them. How can you have a decent conversation or relax with people standing right over you staring down at you, it looks horrible.

    Ashley seems like a sweet girl, but I thought she looked a lot better before. Even though I’m not real thrilled about the lead, I’m sure I’ll still watch to see it play out.

    Can’t wait to see the new spoilers and let me guess, there is going to be a tab at the top of the page that says “Bachelorette Ashley Spoilers” that, let me guess again, I click on to get them!

    Keep up the good work!! You are obviously under their skin since they keep bringing you up!

    Susan

  27. JenJen

    March 20, 2011 at 2:49 PM

    @Susan – that’s a very good point regarding the awkward dates. I thought that too when I saw those pictures. Imagine trying to relax and have fun, when you have 15 people barely two feet away listening to everything you say? Tres romantique. Not.

  28. Sara

    March 20, 2011 at 4:30 PM

    As for the Bachelorette, they should have recruited Chantel the mortuary director. She was by far the most interesting woman on the Bachelor’s latest season.

    As for Brad and Emily, obviously a mis-match. No responsible mother would want to commit to a guy with a “temper.”

    Brad should have asked for Bachelorettes closer in age to himself. When men insist on dating prospective wives who are 10 or more years younger than they are, it’s a sign of their own immaturity and insecurity. He is a loser all the way around. Ugh, what a waste of air space.

  29. Susan

    March 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM

    Sara, I agree. The ages of all these girls besides Michelle were way too young. There is a huge difference between what someone in their early 20s and late 30s want. Why didn’t they have any girls in their low to mid 30s? Like has been speculated around here I think this whole group was for someone else, but at least they could have recast a few once they realized who the bachelor was going to be.

  30. luv it

    March 20, 2011 at 9:32 PM

    Fyi Chris works in Niles IL, far cry from Chicago…also, company is involved in Sports Marketing group. Doubt he’ll be around very long

  31. Athena

    March 21, 2011 at 8:41 AM

    In terms of the awkwardness, I also imagine that there are multiple takes of certain things just like in a movie, so that the spontaneity might often be lost. On the other hand though, perhaps after a while, you get kind of used to the cameras and production staff. This might be a good question for Steve to answer in his “readers ask” column.

    I’m getting used to Ashley’s darker hair color and I like it. However, those hair extensions are ridiculous. She’s so petite with delicate fine features and all the hair completely overwhelms her.

  32. SherryfromD

    March 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM

    ^^Agreed on the extensions. Her hair and length looked great before.

  33. hordac

    March 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM

    Ahh, Everybody Loves Raymond was a great show!! I still laugh at those episodes even though I’ve seen them all several times.

    Anyway, Ashley looks like a totally different person. I don’t care really how she looks by the by, I just hope she worked on her speech patterns for ‘rette. She couldn’t get a sentence out without saying “like” twenty times. It bothered me more than the jazz hands. Maybe she noticed it while watching it back because I know alot of people do it and don’t realize how much. Wow, I would run in the other direction if I encountered a dentist who spoke like that. I would figure she didn’t know what she was doing.

    I think I can anticipate the drinking game for next season with her involved, and it looks like she’ll be participating along right with us.

    Yes, have to agree with the posters who did not like Steve’s response to the German writer. I cringed as well. And everyone wonders why Americans are hated abroad. Pretty primo example right there. But for Steve, it was a pretty polite response considering the general lack of regard for his followers, ha ha!

  34. palm

    March 21, 2011 at 5:45 PM

    This might be a little old but I saw the final show and I can’t believe the other couples would encourage Emily to stay with Brad after hearing about his temper. Did anyone think to tell this poor girl to get out now before she is a victim of domestic violence?? It was a little disgusting hearing Chris effectively blame Emily for Brad’s temper by accusing her of “sabotage” or something like that. She found out he’s an egomanical bastard with a bad temper, simple as that.

  35. Witty

    March 21, 2011 at 5:54 PM

    I have been reading your blog since Jason’s season. Whenever they announce a new bachelor or bachelorette, I check your blog to find out the ending!

    As for Brad and Emily, I hope they get married….I’m not holding my breath! They have many issues to work out!

    Keep the spoilers coming!

  36. ashleyh

    March 22, 2011 at 8:30 AM

    I met Ashley while she was walking through the Bellagio, she introduced me to the guy (honestly cannot remember his name), BUT he is from Columbus, Ohio.

  37. scrantonicity

    March 22, 2011 at 9:22 AM

    Lighten up people! If you are hell bent on being politically correct, you are in the wrong place. I’m just waiting for the “little people” to show up bitching about the dwarf comment….

    Steve, you rock!

  38. amyers777

    March 22, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    Hi Steve –
    Great pictures. Very exciting. I want to mention I like Ashley’s new do. She had a big forhead so the bangs cover it up. Not to be mean but she looked a little white trashy with the old style. Now she looks cleaned up. Lastly – I live in Columbus, Ohio so I will see if I can find any local scoop. By the way your comment “feeling a squishy sensation below their waist” regarding Mickey was dead on but a bit naughty. He is a hottie but I am not sure I can get over that name. Sounds like a low-cal hamburger at McDonalds.

  39. amyers777

    March 22, 2011 at 12:12 PM

    Oops one more thing Steve… please don’t sensor yourself. You’ve got some tight-as# people reading your blog right now and they need to go find something else to do with their time. Can’t people just chill out once in a while. Gesh.

  40. canada girl

    March 23, 2011 at 7:47 AM

    I know that knowing what the outcome is before the show airs kind of spoils the fun but since Jake’s season I have been addicted to this site. I like finding out all the details!! I wonder how mad ABC and Mike Fleiss will be and how much it will annoy them in trying to find out who took the photos!!! HEE HEE
    Ryan is very cute!! I am sure that Chantal is kicking herself now!
    Can not wait for more spoilers!!

  41. canada girl

    March 23, 2011 at 7:51 AM

    I just want to comment on a couple posts about Brad and Emily. While I am not the biggest fan of Brad’s. Emily is not the sweet southern girl we were led to believe she was. If the people on here read the People interview with Brad and Em you see that she has a temper too (she admits it) and that Brad has drained his bank account on Cartier bracelets, Christina Loubitans and air tickets for himself, Em and Ricki just to prove how much he loves her so that she can be secure in knowing that. SORRY but if you love some one Emily you should not make them buy you stuff you should be confident in the the fact that what he says to you and the little things he does should be what is enough to show his love.
    Brad is trying so hard to convince us all they are happy but they will not last

  42. bachfan101

    March 23, 2011 at 9:36 AM

    I saw your add for Lauren Conrad’s clothing line at the top of the page and I remembered how you were bashing her in one of your posts about the Hills saying about how rediculous it was of her to write books and start a clothing line and only idiots would buy things from her, and now you’re advertising for her huh? Weird…

    Love your columns though, very entertaining!

  43. LMlovesrs

    March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

    It took me a while to realize it…and you probably know this but that is probably why they travel to other countries to film as the season goes on. Otherwise, they would have people stalking them up until the final episode. But, you seem to find out all the answers anyway… 🙂

    How entertaining you are…. love reading your blog!

    hope you read this on a video blog and make fun of me how I just realized this now…

  44. aligerman

    March 24, 2011 at 12:55 AM

    I thought the German comment was hilarious. Isn’t his whole blog about making wise cracks? Lighten up.

    Also, has anyone been as bored as me and looked at Frank Carpenter’s my space? There is a picture of him having sex with a girl on it! If he makes it into the final 4 the tabloids are going to have a FIELD day with that!

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