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Bachelorette Desiree Spoilers

“Reader Emails,” “Dr. Reality Steve,” Desiree’s Final Four, & Your Up-to-Date Information on What’s Happening

Once again, a lot of stuff to get being it almost two weeks since my last column. No worries, once the season is up and running, we’ll be back to three columns a week. This column is filled with stuff I’ve been sitting on for over two weeks, but now that we’re down to the final four (well, three actually since the hometown date rose ceremony was last night), I figured I can share this now. Once ABC releases the headshots and bios of all the guys, I’ll then release your episode-by-episode spoilers since, as of right now, I have all your rose ceremony eliminations. There’s a few dates in Spain and Portugal I’m trying to nail down, but I do have which episode every guy left in. I’ll reveal a couple of those today, but then give the episode-by-episode breakdown once the bios are revealed so it’ll be a little easier to follow.

Lets get started with the ridiculous “Adam Scott is gonna be the next ‘Bachelor'” rumor that started not four seconds after he won the Masters two weekends ago. I understand there are people out there that would like to see new blood, but c’mon, this was nothing but self promotion by the show’s producers trying to gain attention. All you needed to do was any homework whatsoever and realize that A) Adam Scott has a girlfriend and B) do you honestly think someone as popular and at the top of their game as Adam Scott is going essentially quit golf for two months (including missing the last two legs of the Fed Ex Cup Championship) to go film a silly reality show? Really? If he was the “Bachelor,” he’d start filming in mid-September like they have for the last 5 years. Go to and you’ll see he’d have to miss two VERY important tournaments as part of the Fed Ex Cup Challenge, not to mention miss the President’s Cup, something he plays in every year. Yeah, never in a million years was going to happen. You really think Adam Scott needs to go on TV to find love? For Christ sakes, he’s been linked to former world #1 tennis player Ana Ivanovic and Kate Hudson. I highly doubt a Masters winner and someone with the status of Adam Scott would waste 2 months on this show so he could date Hot Mess from Detroit or whoever. Please. So ridiculous this was even talked about. Even if Adam Scott was single, he wouldn’t even take their call. Glad he cleared that up.

“Ready for Love” got cancelled after two episodes. I’d say I’m surprised, but I’m not. There isn’t a bigger critic of the “Bachelor” franchise than me, however, even I give credit where credit is due. I’ve been saying it for years that this show is the gold standard when it comes to reality dating shows. No one is even close. Other networks have tried, and they all have failed miserably. “The Bachelor” franchise is in its 10 year, and currently filming its 26th season. Forget reality dating shows, or even reality shows period, there aren’t many SCRIPTED shows that come close to lasting that long. All these other knock offs are just flashes in the pan. They try and essentially do the same thing the “Bachelor” does with extravagant dates, a group of contestants, eliminations, etc and they never last. “Ready for Love” had zero chance to succeed in today’s market, and the ratings proved right. It had the “Voice” as its lead in and it was drawing half the number that the “Bachelor” averages on a weekly basis. Pretty embarrassing.

Looks like Tom Bergeron got a few people’s panties in a bunch when two Monday’s ago he said that Sean and Catherine were getting married on ABC in August. That was classic. You could tell Tom was trying to be funny and use it as a set up to his joke about the bromance between Sean and Tristan, but when they immediately panned to Sean and Peta, Peta looked stunned, and Sean looked confused. Of course, Tom doesn’t realize the crazies that follow this show who freak out over every word said about anything, so immediately after the show within hours, there was already a statement out there saying that there is nothing set in stone and Tom was joking. Sure, Sean and Catherine might still end up getting married someday, and if they do, it will be televised by ABC. But it’s certainly not happening this August as Tom joked it would. Welcome to the wrath of the “Bachelor” crazies Tom. Never make that mistake again, or else people will be coming for your head. Seriously no joke, within one minute of Tom uttering that sentence on live TV, I had three people tweet me asking if it was true. Bizarre. When/if Sean and Catherine have a wedding announcement, you can be sure that Tom Bergeron won’t be the one who officially announces it during a throw away line to a joke set up an hour and forty-five minutes into an episode of DWTS. Any announcement about a Sean & Catherine wedding will come from Sean or ABC first, we know this.

One announcement ABC did make last week was that on May 21, there will be a one-hour special called “The Bachelor’s Funniest Moments,” hosted by Chris Harrison, which will show bloopers and outtakes from the previous 25 seasons. I have a suggestion, how about we just focus on the last 9 seasons or so since that’s pretty much what today’s fan really remembers. Hey, I’m sure there are plenty of funny moments from earlier seasons, but 25 seasons worth of footage, they could probably run a 5 hour show if they wanted to. If this thing is being condensed into one hour, my guess is that most of the bloopers will be from Brad’s first season on. If not, then over half their audience watching will be like, “Hahahahahahahaha hilarious. Ummmm, what season was that and who are these people?” But look for that to air 6 days before Desiree’s season premieres on Monday, May 27th.

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  1. JovisMom

    April 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    To the guy who gets a lot of girls when The Bachelor airs… EASY answer…. Valentine’s day!! Bac starts early January… a month and a half later it’s Valentine’s Day.

  2. iheartvino

    April 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Good update- lots of info. I hope it ends up being Brooks- if so my prediction will have been right!! (I commented in the last column’s comments the other day that I thought he’d be F1.)

  3. jackie22

    April 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Anyone else think Chris Siegfried looks like Adam Lavine??? 😉

  4. everglades

    April 24, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Jackie22…I thought that TOO! LOVE!

  5. honeyishrunkthellama

    April 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Where’s your love for the brothas, Steve? The one black dude on the show and he doesn’t even get a photo…

  6. kasey31

    April 24, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    thanks, steve! great column : ) im officially changing my f1 to.. drum roll….. will!! iheart, if brooks is the f1, u DO win! i think someone else picked brooks, ill go back and look..

  7. ccrider

    April 25, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    I had picked Brooks, Zak and Zack so 2 of my 3 are still in. Whoop!

  8. Kellie

    April 25, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Wow, it looks like ABC really dolled her up. I didn’t even recognize her in that photo with all that poofy hair.

  9. londonkisses19

    April 25, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Wow… she has a very verrry good looking bunch! Chris and Drew are smokin! Not really sure about the whole Brooks thing – I guess looks aren’t everything! I took my brother to the casting call last July – they called/emailed and my brother is an idiot and went back to his ex who he once again recently broke up with – ugh, it would have been so cool to see him on tv – i always told him he would of been perfect for her! End rant.. haha

  10. iheartvino

    April 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Geez it took like 8 tries to finally be able to log in. Anyone else having these issues too??

    kasey, Will as F1, LOVE it. That’d be a first. 🙂 I LOL’d at that one.

    Kellie, I had the same thought when I first saw Des’s promo pics. She looks almost plastic in all of them. Whoever did her makeup went a little too overboard with the airbrushing.

    Also, to the reader that sent in the email about that episode of The Middle- I saw that episode too and thought it was hilarous! Frankie WOULD be one of those people that takes this dumb show way too seriously.

  11. iheartvino

    April 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Kasey I now see what you mean about the typos and there being something odd going on with the site. I tried to fix the wrong spelling of hilarious above but it wouldn’t let me so I gave up and posted comment anyway. = )

  12. reddla

    April 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    What’s up with the helmet hair and mom outfit?

  13. kasey31

    April 25, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    ok so will wasnt really a guess.. BUT chris is still in it.. go go go, chris!!!

  14. kasey31

    April 26, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    jackie- i definitely see some ressemblance between chris and adam ; )

  15. Caroll

    April 27, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Chris Lambton, let go by Ali on The Bachelorette, married Peyton from a season of The Bachelor. They have a landscaping business on Cape Cod. They have a show, “Going Yard” on NBC on Saturday mornings at 9:30 a.m. in which they transform backyards. Chris is in charge of the landscaping, and Peyton does the decorating. They are really talented, and the show is enjoyable. A nice hard-working normal couple despite having been on The Bachelor/ette shows!

  16. Dianne

    April 30, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Wow! This site is seriously messed up! Steve, you gotta get this fixed, and soon! Can’t log in, can’t access the site through a saved link etc. It’s really frustrating. I took me countless times to FINALLY be able to log in.

  17. randais

    April 30, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Not for nothing, haven’t had any issues, recently, UNTIL today. I cleaned out my cookies and the very next attempt, I was able to pull up the log in.


    OH MY! Not last nights, but last weeks. I JUST watched last weeks and hoooooollllly suspenseful! I kinda feel like the longer I take to watch this weeks, the longer the show is still “alive” , isn’t this weeks the season finale? On the other hand I can NOT wait to find out if Joe really IS dead, Claire and Ryan really were stabbed, Emma will take Joe’s place or not….etc. The ONLY complaint I have, is that I have to watch (well listen to, actually) this show in practically complete darkness every week. Is everyone else having this experience or is it my tv? Seriously, the scenes are ALWAYS practically pitch dark and it’s almost impossible to see what’s actually going on for the better part of the show.

  18. velatria

    April 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM


    Nolan-Could he be Victoria’s abandoned son??

  19. addicted2rs

    April 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM


    @Velatria it has been said a few times that Victoria’s son Patrick was born 40 years ago. The Nolan Ross Wiki page does not list Nolan’s age or who his mother is though…

  20. xodeniselynnxo

    April 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Nice mom jeans, Des!

  21. velatria

    April 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM


    Addicted, Okay, I got you. I’m only getting my info from watching the show. Glad you pointed Wiki out. I will go check that page right now. Thanks!

  22. randais

    April 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Four guys and three girls left. They’ve almost got all the riff raff voted off, I’m thinking one more and then Sean should be gone. The only reason he’s still here, there were actually worse dancers, who knew? So tonight and we’ll see what happens, should be Andy.

  23. Sunnyside422

    May 1, 2013 at 6:46 AM

    Oh my goodness…what an episode! Such drama and intense acting.

    Also find the darkness of the whole episode and previous ones annoying. Hard to determine what is really going on. But recall a producer saying that this was deliberate as this is a very “dark” series. Enough already.
    Glad they are renewed for next season.

    Of course Sean would bring in Catherine! Andy stayed around because of his tears, back story and kids on display each week so Sean took a page from that book and brings on Catherine to view the rehearsal. Good grief I will be so relieved when that dork is done.

    Noticed how everyone crowds around Andy and tries to get to him for a hug after the elimination and there is the dork standing like a statue on the outer circle. He is such a dead beat! No personality at all.

  24. rob22

    May 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    It looks like Desiree had some work done. Either that, or they air brushed the photos. She doesn’t have those huge eye bags anymore. We’ll have to see when the show starts.

  25. randais

    May 2, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Amber went home. Only 3 left, Kree, Candice & Angie.

    Reynolds and Andrea (epic blindside) went home.

    Rayna and Deacon, together…FINALLY!
    Juliette…got hers (almost 1/2 a million gone)…..FINALLY!
    Gunner got hit on by a …… guy, Gunner does NOT switch hit, he kicked him out.

    Buh bye Gary Busey, ,he was bat sh** crazy anyway.

    **THE VOICE**
    Is just getting good.

    Anyone see the previews for “The Dome”? Looks interesting. But it reminds me of a show from a year or so ago…
    SYTYCD starts this month.

  26. randais

    May 2, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Sunny, which episode are you referring to? Wasn’t the season finale this past Monday? I haven’t seen it yet but I’m looking forward to it. SOOOO glad you confirmed that the show is “dark”, I totally get the “dark series” concept BUT when you miss half the show because you can NOT SEE it, seems like it defeats the purpose (of “watching” a show).

  27. rob22

    May 3, 2013 at 4:48 AM

    OK, I’m just going to say it. Is Desiree the least attractive Bachelorette ever? I mean, you can take a girl out of the trailer park….. right? Maybe they’re going after a different demographic. When I think about it, at my work at least, most of the women are not very attractive and dress very frumpy. So, maybe they’ll get more women to identify with Desiree. I am tending to think that leads like this will have this franchise jumping the shark. But maybe, as RS says, it’s not about the leads. I still have to believe that ratings will be down sharply. It’s just not a very compelling looking season.

  28. elizabeth82

    May 3, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    I think Desiree’s really pretty and I liked her personality on Sean’s season. She’s not perfect: her hair still needs work, even after getting rid of the bangs and her teeth/gums are a little weird. I think all of the Bachelorettes have been pretty.

  29. Sunnyside422

    May 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    I was referring to the final episode of The Following! I literally never left the TV while the episode aired! Does make sense that with the show’s renewal, we are left with such a cliff hanger! Kevin was interviewed and stated that this episode was the most intense, action wise, that he has ever shot in any TV or movie. I’d say so!

    Think the final 3 were determined a long time ago. Agree totally. I really like all 3 ladies, but somehow Kree has taken a special place in my heart. She seems such a sweet person. And I might add, would love to have Nicki gone and Harry Connick added to the panel. What’s wrong with 3 guys and Mariah?!

    As for Desiree, thought she was a darling girl, very genuine and cute. Far from the least attractive.

  30. randais

    May 3, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    Sunny – thanks, I am determined to watch it this weekend, somehow, between everything else.

    I would be ok with Nicki gone. I feel instead of contributing to the process, she detracts from it. And her voice…. so annoying.

  31. iheartvino

    May 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    *The Following*
    I was disappointed with the finale. It just didn’t seem very believable to me yet most of the scenes that were meant to be suspensful were way too obvious. I thought the 2 or 3 episodes leading up the finale were really good, but the finale definitely did not live up to my expectations.

    *The Bachelorette*
    I don’t want to sound like a broken record and I know the majority of people on here are big fans of Des, but I’m not one of them. I hope she doesn’t ooze with fakeness (is that a word? lol) and phony smiles the entire season. I’m sure some of the guys will provide some entertainment (and eye candy!) so I’ll of course watch. I genuinely liked Sean going into his season and I actually did care to a small extent that he would find love, but with Des, I honestly don’t care if it works for her or not. Truthfully, I’m far more looking forward to more columns from RS and commenting back and forth with everyone on here than I am to the actual show.

  32. Sunnyside422

    May 3, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Yes, Nicki’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard! I am so done with her antics and down right dumb comments! It was so amazing to hear an intelligent person like Harry give awesome suggestions to the singers. I have been a fan of his for a long time and have several CD’s. I’d throw any amount of money his way and beg him to be on the judging panel. I think once Nicki is gone, the flavor of the judging will change dramatically.

    I too look forward to RS’s comments during the season. I think Desiree is a fun type personality and I bet the guys will enjoy being with her even though they must follow the script! Ali and Ashley were upbeat and fun…Emily pretty dull!

  33. rob22

    May 4, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    Sunnyside: true, Dez might be fun. There will probably be a lot of action in the Fantasy Suite too! I really didn’t find Ashley attractive either, but her season ended up OK. So, maybe there’s hope fo Dez. Maybe she won’t kill the franchise, who knows?

  34. elizabeth82

    May 4, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Who was everyone’s fav Bachelorette? I’ve watched all of the seasons and my favs were Trista (even though I didn’t like her when she was on “The Bachelor”) and Jillian.

    Least fav was Jen Schefft (even though I liked her on Andrew’s season)! She was not feeling it at all!

  35. Sunnyside422

    May 4, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Favorite Bachelorette: probably Ali, with Ashley a close second and Jillian the 3rd. Again, they all seemed like they could have fun regardless of the weird situation of supposedly finding “love”. All had amazing personalities that enabled them to take their moment in the sun and run with it. Kudos to Ashley for picking the guy I focused on from the first night. Not the best looking, but something about JP just made him very likable. I wish them the best.

  36. kasey31

    May 4, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    **the following**
    iheart, do we ever NOT agree on something? haha.. totally agree, the following left me extremely disappointed.. there were so many ways they could have gone, and i was bummed with the way they closed out the season.. there were some really fantastic episodes this season, but, unfortunately, the season finale just didnt live up to my expectations.. easy to predict, cheesy and unbelievable scenes, and extremely brutal.. not sure if ill be watching season 2 : (

  37. randais

    May 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Ok you two, Iheart & Kasey, NOW I REALLY am going to have to make time and watch, just to see for myself!

  38. kasey31

    May 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    **the following**
    haha.. yes, randais, watch it already! and let us know what u think.. ok, honestly, i was already a bit upset at the way they had jacob killed off, so maybe that set my mood for the finale.. i thought his death in and of itself could have been the main focus in the season finale..he was such a huge character, and despite everything, i liked him on the show.. but then i think they went a little overboard with everything (dont want to give anything away) seemed like they tried too hard to cram everything into the season finale when they didnt need to..

    **favorite bachelorette**
    ashley : ) ali was ok, too.. my first bahelorette was ali bc i didnt start watching til jakes season, so i dont have a lot to choose from..

  39. iheartvino

    May 6, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    *Bates Motel*
    Kasey, you can add this to the list of things we agree on =) -I watched Bates Motel and LOVED it!! You were so right about how good this show is. The acting is phenomenal and I am glad I gave the show a chance. I actually liked it better than The Following.

    *Favorite Bachelorette*
    I didn’t watch DeAnna or Jen’s seasons, but out of the other ones, my favorite Bachelorette would be Ashley. I liked Trista’s season because it was something new back then, but I couldn’t stand how she used her baby talk voice constantly when she was on dates with Charlie and Ryan.

    Speaking of The Bachelorette, isn’t the FRC supposed to be sometime this week? I hope we find out who Des chose. I still say it’s Brooks. (and I said that before RS posted this column lol) If so, I would love to see Chris S. as the next Bachelor.

    (***Spoilers ahead if you haven’t watched yet!!!***)
    I have mixed feelings about last night’s episode. It was an improvement over last week’s, especially with the last 5 minutes having so much happen. I’m a little confused as to how/why the Carrion-triggered blackout happened right when they started the process of draining the Grayson bank accounts. Was that something the Falcon somehow set up? I hope the 2 hr finale is all they say it’s cracked up to be. I hope the original characted that dies is Ashley, but I’m guessing it will be Charlotte or Declan. I have heard a few people say it’s going to be Nolan- they better be wrong!

  40. oyoung1117

    May 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    My favorite bachelorette was Ashley. I have only ever watched Ali, Ashley, and Emily though. Emily talked about her daughter too much and seemed so artificially sweet all of the time. Ali was just SO upbeat it drove me nuts plus her guys all sucked except Chris L., and then Ashley was a train wreck emotionally which was a ton of fun to watch, she picked all the right guys at the right times that I would have picked, and to top it off she actually married her final choice. She did giggle an awful lot though.
    I think Des will potentially be great. I loved her on Sean’s season, but I can see the concern that she will put on a happy face no matter what when raw emotion would be more entertaining. But she did have a snarky and intellectually superior vibe when people were being stupid that could be really promising if she verbalizes it.

    Who do you all think is going to die next week? I read somewhere that it would be one of the nine original cast so that means it won’t be Aiden and they wouldn’t dare kill off Jack, Conrad, Nolan, Victoria, obviously not Emily, no one cares enough about Ashley to make it be her, my hope is Charlotte or Declan since their story arc is always angsty, annoying and fraught with champagne problems they are totally blowing out of proportion. But she is *spoiler* pregnant, so I bet it isn’t her. My guess is Declan and my fear is Daniel. Declan would be the best victim since then Jack would really have nothing (well except for the conveniently never around Carl) and hopefully get a bit edgier of a personality and then Charlotte would have to deal with her pregnancy alone without Declan whining in her ear about the right thing to do. Daniel would piss me off, because while I no longer want Emily to wind up with him, I love his easily led, spoiled boy who thinks he is a man personality, and how Emily has to always placate him to keep him in line. Itis just an interesting dynamic that could play out for at least another season

  41. Sunnyside422

    May 6, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Hard to believe Nolan will be off’d next week. He is so central to the whole show. Probably Declan, who we don’t see much and really serves no purpose. The Charlotte baby theme could be interesting so final guess is: Declan.

  42. iheartvino

    May 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    oyoung, interesting about Daniel, I hadn’t thought that he could be the one killed off but I don’t see why not. I read somewhere that the character that dies is someone’s love interest, so I suppose that means Nolan and Ashley are both safe since neither of them seems to be involved with anyone on the show at the moment.

  43. ccrider

    May 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Wow….it’s been a slow 2 weeks, hasn’t it!


    Who watched DWTS this week? I’m glad to finally see Sean go. I’ve never disliked Sean but he was definitely the weakest dancer of those left. My opinion….I think Ingo should go next and then I’m torn between Aly and Jacoby. I definitely think Kellie and Zendaya should be the final two and I REALLY hope that Kellie wins…..but I’m pretty sure Zendaya is a shoe-in for the win.

    How about Splash? I know there are only 3 of us fans but the finale last night was OK…..not great, but just OK. I felt so bad for Nicole. She has been a front runner throughout the entire competition and I was really pulling for her to win. Her final dive was beautiful…..until the end. I felt so bad for her. I haven’t been much of a Rory fan because he doesn’t ever dive…..he jumps, twists and turns, and lands feet first. I think that’s a lot easier to do than going in head first like a “real” dive. So, I was VERY glad to see that his final attempt was a “real” dive!

    Bachelorette: Since iheart and I both have Brooks in our F2 and she has picked Brooks to be the F1, I thought I’d liven up the competition and go with my other F2 guy…..Zak! 🙂

  44. iheartvino

    May 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    ccrider, I don’t know what to think anymore! I won’t believe anything until Steve confirms it, but Brooks’s Twitter became active again last weekend, which was before the FRC (which I think is tonight? i’m not sure) Maybe that means he was F4 if he’s not there anymore? I saw on another forum that someone announced that Brooks and Zac are out, which would make it between Chris and Drew, and they’re thinking Drew is going to be the final one.

    But again, in my opinion Steve’s the most reliable source by far so I want to wait and see who he says she picks. At this point there’s just a bunch of rumors and guesses out there on who she picks. Hopefully he will have official confirmation on the guy she picked soon, especially if the FRC is tonight.

    *Jodi Arias*
    GUILTY!! A big thank you to those of you who discussed this trial on here regularly, especially kasey and karyn, for piquing my interest enough to watch a little of the trial and educating myself enough to decide she was guilty without question. I’m so glad these jurors were brighter than Casey Anthony’s!

  45. elizabeth82

    May 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    *Arias trial*
    Yes! “No jury will ever convict me. . . ” Uh, yes they will! Juan Martinez is a ROCK STAR of a prosecutor!

    Does the fact that they were split on the felony murder one charge make any difference to the length of her sentence should she get life?

    Now all that’s left is the penalty phase . . . And the civil trial brought by Travis’ family. Good idea–don’t let her profit off anything!

    *The Bachelorette*
    I wonder if the final rose is tonight. Def curious who she picks but not in a hurry to get it spoiled. Wonder how Steve’s info will come together this time, though.

  46. kasey31

    May 8, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    **arias trial*
    GUILTY!!! and no one deserve this more than Jodi.. I am so incredibly relieved that the jury came back and gave a just verdict for someone who thought she could manipulate the world with her lies.. may God bless the Alexander family, and I hope this verdict brings them some comfort and peace..

    Elizabeth, no.. actually all 12 jurors found the defendant guilty of premeditated murder.. the brilliant Juan Martinez only threw felony murder in there as a back up bc if any of the jurors were to believe that Jodi was truly invited over the night of the murder, then as soon as she started killing him, it would be a felony to be at his house, as it would obviously be considered unlawful for her to be on his property.. also, no matter how you look at it, she stole a gun, in both her version of events, and the prosecution’s version of events, so she committed a felony by stealing a gun to use it to kill Travis.. that’s why felony murder was included.. the jurors had 4 options when it came to 1st degree murder.. a) guilty of pre mediated murder b) guilty of felony murder c) guilty of both d) not guilty of either.. and 12 jurors found her guilty of a) pre meditated murder.. it was split up this way- 7 jurors found her guilty of c) both pre meditated murder and felony murder and 5 of a) only pre meditated..

    does that make sense? it’s a little confusing.. so 5 jurors found her only guilty of pre meditated murder, 7 jurors found her guilty of both pre meditated murder AND felony murder (being in his house unwarranted once she began killing him), and 0 jurors found her guilty of just felony murder alone… but all 12 jurors DID find her guilty of pre meditated murder, so it will not fact, the fact that 7 of them found her guilty of both pre meditated and felony murder makes it even worse for her! they were not split, all the jurors who voted for felony murder ALSO voted for pre meditated murder…

    iheart- soooo glad you started watching!!

  47. kasey31

    May 8, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    the next phase begins tomorrow and it is to determine whether or not the killing was heinous.. the same jury will deliberate that tomorrow, and that will determine her sentencing.. I think its safe to assume the jury will find the murder heinous, which is the aggravating circumstance that could lead to the dp.. then its victim impact statements.. then the judge sentences Jodi on the jury’s verdict of whether or not the murder was heinous, and she will take into account the victim impact statements, as well..

  48. Athena

    May 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    re: Arias/Alexander
    My feelings about these two are very mixed and don’t have any of the Roman Colliseum-like thrills and chills and bloodlust that many people are experiencing. Their relationship was clearly a young, extremely charged, religiously influenced one that had lots of addictive elements to it. Addictive behavior NEVER leads to honorable outcomes. As a woman who is newly single and WAY older than these two were, even my elderly pheremones can make me attracted to unsuitable partners and prone to stupid fantasies that are hard to put aside. I haven’t followed every minute of the trial, but my belief is that when she went to his home that last time, she wanted to connect with him both sexually and emotionally, and she hoped against hope that he’d realize that he really “loved her” too. And, at the same time, I think she was really angry and hurt about the fact that he had rejected and demeaned her with his various mixed messages and by choosing another. Thus, the weapons and elaborate plans to get herself and them there. The incredible hypocricy (my editorial opinion) of the Mormon “chastity” expectations certainly didn’t help either of them. I think she was living in two distinctly different fantasy worlds, one that led to happily ever after and the other that involved rejection and retribution. I will admit that I can pretty easily put myself into her shoes ( even though I have NEVER EVER acted out in ANYWAY that is violent towards another) and also that I have a little more trouble relating to what he was experiencing, though I do believe it’s the other side of the same coin in terms of his attraction to her while at the same time his desire to disentangle himself from their relationship. In the end, I feel pretty much the same way I feel about the miracle of toddlers and teens making it to adulthood given all the ever-present dangers they are attracted to, I am saddened by the fact that these two couldn’t figure it out and I wish she had found some way to get serious professional help to control her angry impulses.

  49. kasey31

    May 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Athena, well she didn’t get help, and at 28 yrs old, she isn’t a child anymore.. and I couldn’t care less what travis said to her to hurt her feelings.. NO ONE deserves to be brutally killed in that fashion, NO ONE. you don’t go over to someone’s house “hoping” they’ll realize they love you and when that doesn’t happen, kill them bc youre upset you feel rejected.. please!! was he perfect? no, none of us are. it is a tragic outcome on both ends, but she has shown NO remorse for her actions, and I have been following every minute of the trail while working a full time job.. let me tell you this, she also has never once apologized for what she did. this was a big game to her.. God forbid anything ever happen to me, and everything I ever did was broadcasted to the world to see, I hope people would see past mistakes I might have made in my life and realize that I did not deserve to be stabbed 27xs, have my throat slit, and be shot in the face. if you can empathize with Jodi, great. there is a BIG difference between “thinking” about being violent and actually doing it. period.

  50. elizabeth82

    May 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    *Arias trial*
    Thanks, kasey31. I understood all the jurors found her guilty of premediated murder and what the different options were available to them for the verdict. I just didn’t understand if, should they all have found the felony component to the murder, whether that would affect the sentence at all. So if I understand what you said correctly then it doesn’t impact that. Do you know if the sentences on the table are death, life, and life without parole? Or more or fewer options?

    Athena: While they seemed to have had a twisted relationship, she clearly didn’t drive there for a last ditch effort. She took all the precautions so no one would know she was there and she brought the weapons. It’s hard for normal people to get their heads around, but she went on this journey with the intent to kill him. Why they were intimate beforehand, I don’t understand, maybe because she wanted to break down his defenses and be the last one to be with him.

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