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The Bachelor 18 - Juan Pablo

The “Bachelor” Juan Pablo Recap Including Deleted Scenes & Who Are These Girls Juan Pablo Takes Pictures With?

Just in case some of you forgot, even though the spoilers to the season have been up for 2 months now, remember that in my column on a weekly basis, I acknowledge the spoilers. Especially this week. There’s too much good material from last night for me not to bring up stuff that happens in future episodes with certain girls. So just so none of you are surprised or what not when you read today’s column, if you have no clue what happens this season, or don’t want to know, I suggest you stop reading now. Cuz I’m getting right into it on page 1. I think my biggest thing with Juan Pablo this season is that he just doesn’t get it. He doesn’t know what to say, he doesn’t know how to act, he doesn’t know how to “carry” himself as the Bachelor, and he’s exactly what I figured he’d be coming into this season: all style, no substance. They took a chance on a guy who the audience wasn’t invested in at all from their previous season because he barely got any camera time, and they swung and missed. It happens. Surely they won’t make that mistake again.

Hey, did you check out Nikki and Juan Pablo’s twitter accounts this morning? Within 20 minutes of each other, both decided to tell us they were at the airport heading somewhere. Now, Juan Pablo travels all the time, so that’s nothing new. But the pediatric nurse hopping on a plane on a Tuesday for no reason? Uhhhhh, yeah. I don’t think I have to spell this one out for you. It’s obvious what’s going on. These two are real rocket scientists. March 10th will only give proof to what these tweets are really about:


During Ben’s season, we all remember those photos that graced the cover of US Weekly with him and mysterious women he was getting awfully close to that became the subject of a lot of cheating rumors. Well, I figured I’d bring these to your attention which were posted on Instagram last Tuesday & Wednesday. I took the screen shots on Thursday and I know how to subtract. I’m good at math.


Now, before you start freaking out, lets go over a few things. Were these private pictures? No. Both of these girls Instagram accounts are public so it’s not like these are trying to be hidden. Does this prove he’s cheating on Nikki or anything along those lines? No, it doesn’t. Does it look good for his image? Absolutely not. I know, I know. Those that like Juan Pablo will dismiss these as nothing, which I expect. But he just doesn’t get it. Dude, you’re the “Bachelor.” You don’t want to give anyone any ammunition to use against you, and basically for two months, that’s all you’ve done. Put yourself in Nikki’s shoes. Do you honestly think she looks at these pictures and doesn’t at least ASK what exactly these are? Not even a little curious as to what these are about? I certainly would if I were her. But hey, maybe they are soooooo secure in their relationship that neither of them question each other about anything and everything is just rainbows and roses. Uh huh.

I mean, when Nikki is doing Valentine’s Day photo shoots like this, what could Juan Pablo possibly have to worry about with her? It’s not like she wants to turn this opportunity into a modeling career or anything. No, of course not. Just a quick question though: What happened to Nikki’s ass? I mean, we had the shot of her in Miami just two months ago, and now this. I’d say I see a little difference, no?


UPDATE: Had to remove the pic of Nikki due to copyright laws. But click on that link above from the photo shoot and you’ll know which picture I’m talking about.

Your ratings are in from last night’s episode, and they got their highest rating since the premiere in the 18-49 demo with a 2.6, however, overall viewers were down 350k last week, as last night drew 8.25 million. The premiere and last week each drew 8.6 million viewers. Not a huge drop off by any means, but noticeable. Also, your deleted scenes are up from last night. It’s official. We can now call Kat the Queen of the Deleted Scene. Yet another one of her clips that ended up on the cutting room floor. Did she piss someone off when she was there or something? Then again, it’s not like she probably wanted this scene shown. Just her trying to pull teeth getting Juan Pablo to have a conversation and him having none of it. Also we get to see Clare emphasizing, yet again, that neither she nor any of the other girls in the house like Nikki. And then some alone time with Sharleen. Here you go:

Speaking of having nothing good to say about Nikki, Elise chimed in on her conference call last week to tell people what a crappy person she thought Nikki was. Thank you, Elise. I appreciate it.

In case you missed my podcast appearance with Jason & Molly, you can check it out now. Always enjoyable going on with them because I know they won’t hold anything back in regards to the show. We talk a few times about production and how things work behind the scenes, and also about the safe house visits they had once Jason had dumped Melissa and started seeing Molly.

And finally, forgot to mention this last week so I promised I would today. A couple Saturday’s ago, I had received an invitation to join a woman named Nancy for her 30th birthday. She and 10 of her girlfriends were coming down from Altus, Oklahoma where they are stationed with their husbands in the Air Force, to have a night on the town in Dallas. I was invited to meet them for drinks since they were big fans of the site. We met at the Social House in Uptown then kinda bar hopped on McKinney Ave. Been a while since I’d done that, so thanks ladies. Had a great time and it was fun meeting you all. Quite the interesting group I must say.


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  1. amyrn22

    February 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Does it annoy anyone else that whenever Juan Pablo is asked what he wants most in a woman the very first thing he says is “She has to be a really good dancer.” What the hell? First of all, he’s no professional dancer…he’s not good. I would understand him saying something like “She has to be willing to dance with me sometimes because I like to dance” but making “being a good dancer” as a requirement for his “wife”? What an idiot. Probably just part of his whole dancing with the stars plug. And it also makes no sense, because he picks Nikki, who is the worst dancer in the house.

  2. sheilar1

    February 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    Juan Pablo treated Clare like she was dirty goods. He did not have to make such a big deal out of it at all. Maybe they didn’t have actual sex but SOMETHING happened for him to react. You were fine at the time but not good enough now? What the heck? They showed kissing and hugging in the water. Nothing else if anything could be seen. He blamed it all on her. What a baby.

  3. sheilar1

    February 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    Also if he felt so bad about it why not eliminate himself from the competition.

  4. bachlover18

    February 4, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    JP was driving me nuts last night with his repeated “Look at me, look at me.” JP, if the b*tch doesn’t want to look at you when she’s crying, then leave her alone.”

    Reality Steve, I disagree with your theory of JP and Clare not having sex in the ocean. Clare is a dramatic, insecure hoe. She had to claim her man while she had the opportunity. Wouldn’t it be classic if she ended up pregnant? Maybe Clare would let the baby be in JP and Nikki’s wedding.

  5. bigfatwoman

    February 4, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    I realize Clare is a desperate, insecure drama queen, but it’s hard to believe something more didn’t go down other than kissing. It wouldn’t be easy to have sex in the ocean but there had to be some 3rd base action happening.

    I would’ve been outta there on this season. Juan Pablo is such a self absorbed clueless guy. I think he’s a nice guy, but geez…..he’s sooooooo dumb!

  6. jacey

    February 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

    I dunno, Steve. I’m gonna choose to believe my eyes, ears and instincts on the ‘did they or didn’t they’ question. I’ll get to why in a min, but before I do… Believe it or not, but some of us are actually sharp enough to know when we’re being manipulated and managed to figure out that the happenings in Vietnam were staged. And we have enough skepticism and curiosity to take what’s said in the public space, swirl that around with what we watch and form plausible, and maybe even irrefutable, conclusions.

    As to the ‘ocean’ question. It’s not so much what did happen that leads me to conclude that those two did the deed, but what didn’t. Yeah, you’re an aficionado in this realm, but I make a very good living off reading people and piecing info together to uncover unknowns to ascertain the truth. Got pretty darn good BS barometer.

    Those two spent most of the day pawing each other — most of it in front of the other women. There was the boat, the time in his suite, the rose, yet there wasn’t one mention of the impact of ALL that on the other 10 women during his PDM (public display of remorse). NOTHING. So then the question becomes what was different about the time the ‘ocean’ time? The others didn’t even know about it (well, other than that little tidbit). From there it’s all about the match. Add the aforementioned to all the little clue dropping Claire did (including a piece that didn’t air where she’s talking about Nikki and snidely comments that she (Nikki) didn’t have the time in the ocean). Here’s some of the nuggets she dropped that I recall (there are more):

    1) “Cheers to finding love, being loved and *making love*.”

    2) “It’s not about being fair but about listening to your heart.” The two of them were completely rude to the other girls with their all-day makeout sessions during which time they disappeared at one point for what had to be at least 30 mins. More tonsil hockey, but JP makes no big deal about that. It doesn’t even come up.

    3) She says in an interview that they just “went for it” and that it was “pure bliss in *every way*,” then she compares herself to a baby giraffe with wobbly legs. She’s clearly differentiating the ‘ocean’ time from anything that’s transpired up to that point.

    4) That comment about Nikki not having been in the ocean with JP and that oh so snide look on her face. I think I saw her choke up a feather. Both women have kissed him and had alone time. She never even mentions the private suite (or the day as a whole) which is uniquely her experience with JP.

    I know she’s a few Kimonos short of a Korean wardrobe, but why would she cooperate with being portrayed in such a (w)horrible light without anything tangible to show for it — other than a negative public image? Bachelor Pad? Maybe, but that’s a stretch. It took her out of any hopes of becoming The Bachelorette. And why would JP be upset over something the other contestants would likely learn was staged for the sake of ratings? It just don’t make no sense.

    Steve quoted Chandler Bing. I’m quoting Judge Judy. “If it doesn’t make sense, it isn’t true.” The suggestion that nothing happened doesn’t jive with the evidence I don’t care how much manipulating the producers did. They had a 1st hand view of how eager those two were to ‘put it together’ so they instigated it. It’s dark. They’re in the water up past their mid-sections. The cameras stayed a respectful distance away… yeah.

    Now some personal womanly perspective…

    That kind of reaction Clare had only comes from one place and it ain’t playing tonsil hockey with some fakey Don Juan. Nope. That reaction comes from feelings of humiliation for having served our pearls to some swine only to have them take away the afterglow with some douchey move to distance themselves from us and the act; freeing themselves up for the next conquest. Hell, she hadn’t even had time to absorb that realization (I guess that’s next week). She was too busy defending and apologizing for having sullied his stellar persona and irresponsibly negatively impacting his 4 y/o (who isn’t even gonna see it) when all they did was some more kiss’n.

    Btw… if that’s all they did, JP looks like a creepy, psycho, boorish goonish hypocrite for raising all that hubbub over some smooching. Please!

    Clare thought she had JP all sewn up. It worked for Courtney and Molly. Why not her? She didn’t cite the all day ass-grabbing they were doing as the reason. His remorse and her glee was specifically about what happened at 4 AM. We know who she wanted taking her ‘call’ in the wee hours and he almost certainly pushed her buttons. Well, he swam in her ‘ocean’ I just like mixing metaphors.

  7. bazooka

    February 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Is anyone else grossed out by the way Sharleen and JP kiss? SO awkward.

  8. sarald00

    February 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    I also find Sharleen’s kissing with Juan a little awkward.

    I think Juan P. is going to have a difficult time being faithful. He just seems to “like” too many women. When it was Ben’s season, you could tell he really only liked 2-3 of the women “a lot”…but Juan seems to like several. And the pics of him with some women other than Nikki, if they were, indeed, after The Bachelor ending….well, that is just an example.

  9. jacey

    February 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    Congress has more chemistry than Juan P. and Sharleen.

    Did anyone one catch the fact that she was referring to him as ‘sir’ (I think it that’s the word she used) when he gave her the 1st impression rose, and she couldn’t have been more aloof if she tried. Went right over his head. The guy is drawn to women he believes to be superior to himself — who are otherwise unobtainable to him in the real world.

    Smart girl. She told him directly she wasn’t going to show all her cards. Clare foolishly played the only ‘hand’ she had (at least in his eyes). I guess she had to try

    JP called the one thing Clare had to offer (in both their views) a “mistake.” Ouch!!! Though self-inflicted, you have to kinda feel sorry for her.

  10. kachia

    February 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned that when JP and Claire “snuck” back to his suite, she just HAPPENED to have a bathing suit there? Struck me as odd.. Did they run back to her room then sneak over to his place all while the others were waiting?

    And am I the only one who things the way he says OOohhhhhhhhhhhhhah to act like he is interested is creepy?

  11. bigfatwoman

    February 4, 2014 at 6:16 PM


    I tend to agree with your sex or no ocean sex philosophy. Steve strangely dismisses some things far too quickly (ie, Sean and his overt gayness, Juan would NEVER be the Bach, etc), and because he thinks he’s all knowing, he is always on auto pilot when challenged.

    To me the biggest tell was Clare’s reaction. I’ve seen women get the pump and dump before and their reaction and facial expression is just like Clare’s.

    Looking forward to Sharleen leaving. Her bewildered intellect act is a bad cover for someone strictly looking to further their career.

  12. inara

    February 4, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    I’m surprised no one else has made this connection…JP didn’t seem to be bothered by what happened with Clare until AFTER his first one-on-one date with Nikki. Up until now, he’s only been on group dates with Nikki and liked her, but I think after the one-on-one, he realized he REALLY likes her. This date took place only a few hours after he hopped into the ocean with Clare. I think regret set in once he realized he was more into Nikki and he realized how badly this was all going to look in the long run, especially for Nikki if he picks her. How’s he going to explain that to her? That’s my take on why the sudden turn around on Clare.
    In other news, does he have NO OTHER word to describe women other than “cute”?? He’s like a 13 year old girl, ffs.
    That’s how he’s described every one of the women, their outfits, and why he likes them. Because they are “cute”. Blech. He’s gross.

  13. kasey31

    February 4, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Just wanted to comment to Amyrn22-
    I have noticed that too and thought it was so strange.
    What an odd answer to give regarding one’s criteria on what they consider most important in a relationship.. Dancing? I get it, maybe he finds women who can dance sexy, but, really, THAT’S the first thing that comes to your mind every time someone asks you that question? You’d think he’d say, intelligence, having a kind heart, etc, despite whether or not he was taking this process seriously.

    As for the beach incident. It’s hard to tell. Jacey brings up some valid points, but so does Steve. I can definitely see Clare over reacting to what she thought was such a “magical, blissful night”.. Clare over reacts to everything, as we’ve seen, so it’s hard to take her seriously. If it were practically anyone else, I’d say yes they did.
    On the other hand, that is the exact reaction I’d expect if they did have sex that night, only to have JP say it was a mistake. So, I don’t know? Clare’s definition of making love is probably a really great back massage.

  14. bachelorguyca

    February 4, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    This dude is clueless.

    Nikki- no doubt that she has lost some weight. On the show she does not look attractive, but the photos (probably photoshop’d) do make her look good. Of course prof makeup, hair, and a thinner body help.

    Clare- I’m ashamed to admit I’m from Sacramento. How does a girl this cute turn 32 and not be in a serious relationship? 1) She cuts hair, 2) She’s high maintenance, 3) She’s a head case. Dont get me wrong, if I bump into her I’m totally asking for a selfie pic!

    Andi- I like her. Really like her. As in possible stalking her, lol. No, she’s smart, sexy, and she posts some good photos on twitter.

  15. kasey31

    February 4, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    Inara- Really, really good point about Nikki’s date possibly having an influence on the change of heart with JP. I hadn’t thought about that..

  16. jacey

    February 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    @Inara, actually I pointed out that I felt the repercussions of his final pick seeing all that was what inspired the ‘remorse.’ It’s under the January 30th (emails) thread. Good observation.

    @Bfw… You’re 100% with that tell. So many of us women have known that face at some point.

    Can’t really comment much on the ‘all-knowingness’ of Steve Just not familiar enough with his work. If pages look too cluttered and busy, I tend to skim them rather than read thru, and skip many altogether. I don’t follow any of this on Twitter, broadcasts, and Facebook, etc. Nothing personal just not that vested.

    I have, however, occasionally noticed condescending comments directed at his readers in the past as well as today’s recap. Some may be justified. Today’s about the choreographing of events on the show didn’t seem to be, which is why I said something. I’ve been commenting here on and off for at least a year. Never directed comments at him before. Likely won’t again.

    But yeah… the ‘because I said so’ response to the ‘did they or didn’t they’ question & his reasoning (none) for the assertion that they didn’t doesn’t pass the smell test — 90% track record or not.

    Appreciate the spoilers, though. I’ve skipped whole seasons based on them. Was gonna skip this one, but tuned in to catch the awkwardness between JP & Sharleen.

    Never watch in real time. Never give it my undivided attention. Kinda did both last night (well sorta undivided). Was pretty predictable what all the teasers were about. Did normal turning away, listening from somewhere else in the house, and muting throughout. The kiss sounds are gross and JP’s cheesy act assaults my ears.

    Didn’t see Kelly’s exit. She was the comic relief and will be missed. Can’t wait for WTA.

  17. iheartvino

    February 4, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    Amyrn22 and Kasey, I’ve wondered that ever since the premiere, about why in the world that’s always what Juan P says when mentioning what he’s looking for in a wife. So bizarre. Then again everything about him is bizarre, from his mixed signals to his stupid “I have a daughter, I don’t want her to see me kissing a bunch of girls” rule. As many have said, he really doesn’t know how to be the Bachelor and clearly wasn’t comfortable a lot of the time.

    Inara, I hadn’t thought about that either, about how Juan Pablo felt guilty and realized he was more into Nikki on their date the day after his “swim” with Clare.

  18. sandallia2014

    February 4, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    I don’t care for Clare, in fact, I would love to see actress/comedian Molly Shannon play Clare in a spoof of this season’s The Bachelor….whose with me?! Still, I think JP was just wrong for telling Clare that what they “did” was regrettable, something they shouldn’t have done when he says on camera that she is sexy and that he will be thinking about her a lot, that being with her is hot (paraphrasing of course).

  19. sandallia2014

    February 4, 2014 at 10:12 PM

    Oh yeah and it looks less and less to me like JP really expects to meet his Mrs. Wright this season. Sometimes he looks a little bored on dates like he can’t wait to collect his money for being on the show and make out a lot with Clare and a couple others, knowing that none are going to be an acceptable step mother for his daughter.

  20. serapa

    February 5, 2014 at 6:08 AM

    I 100% agree with Jacey. That look on Clare’s face only happens when a woman has slept with a man. If they didn’t have sex in the ocean, I bet their bottoms were off and they were majorly feeling eachother up. As a woman, I too think that they must have had sex for Clare to be reacting the way she is. Yes, she’s emotional, but there is something unique about her emotional reaction that is yelling, “I gave you my ace card and you are now telling me it was a mistake???!!!”

    If Clare had held something back, she wouldn’t be so hurt. If they just kissed, she wouldn’t have reacted so emotionally. She would have been upset, but not like this. Poor Clare…she doesn’t know how to play the game.

    As for Nikki, that girl knows how to play a man. She has got it down….some call women like her a “man eater”. She knows that she wants to win and she’s saying all the right things to JP and to the camera. She knows how to work it to get what she wants.

    As for Andi, I really like her and I 100% agree that she is not into JP and is seeing this as her audition for the Bachelorette. She will get it too…good for her!

  21. mush

    February 5, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    ive been thinking about it a lot, and steve is right. they did not have sex. if abc wants us to think they did, then they didn’t. the producers told her to make that toast about making love. and what the eff about jp wanting to be fair to the other girls?! he kissed sharleen in the soccer stadium in front of everyone. he kissed clare on the boat in front of everyone. in group dates he singles out clare all the time. hes being led by his dick.

  22. mush

    February 5, 2014 at 8:14 AM

    should I not like andi because shes obviously acting, doing what the producers say in order to get her own show, the bachelorete? or should I like her because that’s what shes doing?

  23. cfizz

    February 5, 2014 at 8:29 AM

    My friends and I have decided that ABC has begun shooting this season’s Bachelor like a Spanish Soap Opera >> Example: (start 1:40-2:06). ie. the music, the up close shots with scene fades to the sad girl, JP touching the girl’s face making her look at him… so similar to Clare’s post warm ocean water breakdown with JPabs, minus all the tears.

  24. jacey

    February 5, 2014 at 8:29 AM

    @Serapa – Succinct and dead-on. Couldn’t have said it better.

    I think, perhaps it wasn’t so much about the fact that JP hit it and quit it. Probably more the fact that Claire had been all braggadocios and smug in front of the camera, the other women and millions of viewer eyes BEFORE she found out JP was having big time buyer’s remorse. Yes, Clare. In this game, there *are* takesies backsies.

    If she had just been quiet about it, the remorse would not have had quite the same jarring negative impact to her, personally, or the audience view of her.

    Man! Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch. Remember that childhood (moral) tale? Or this one…

  25. kittykat

    February 5, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    What I don’t get is how Clare thought she wouldn’t be perceived as easy and on the trashy side. Come on girl. Have some self-respect! She knew they were filming and chose to put herself in that position and in my opinion, she made a complete fool of herself. It wasn’t like ‘making love’ with her soul mate; it was a quickie in waves with a horny dude she barely knows then hours later, he is trading salvia with another girl.

    I thought the crying scenes were so stupid as if she thought by her throwing herself at him, he didn’t just end the show right then and there. What else was JP to do? Every week, she would be pawing at him to give her more and more attention. She was already being unbelievably pushy before the romp in the South China Sea and a Clare/JP show has no interest for me.

  26. strick432

    February 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    So who really knows if they went “all the way” in the ocean? I know and everybody else on here knows JP had a woody and there definitely was some kind of hanky panky going on other than just kissing or it wouldn’t have been such a big to-do about it.

  27. amdh

    February 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    So, just my two cents, but I don’t think they had sex in the ocean. I wasn’t sure, but then Clare said, “I just wanted to go have a swim in the ocean” and shrugs, like she’s confused what was so wrong with that, and in the preview for next week, we see her asking “Did we do anything inappropriate?” as if to say, “It’s not like we had sex! Why are you making a big deal out of it?” I don’t think she would have asked him that if they had actually had sex, because the obvious answer would have been “Yes, we snuck away and had sex in the ocean while cameras were recording us and my daughter may see that someday… so yes, we did do something inappropriate.”

    I think it upset her to the extent that it did because of him bringing his daughter into it and making her feel like she has disrespected the most important person to him. As soon as he mentioned his daughter, she lost it. Plus, she seems to be a very emotionally intense person, so there’s that, too.

  28. iheartvino

    February 5, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    mush, that’s also a great point. Anytime the producers/editors want us to think one thing, the opposite is usually the truth. That’s enough reason right there to be convinced that they didn’t. Also, as many have pointed out, Clare has shown to be extremely emotional and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she built it up in her head to be a bigger deal than it actually was.

  29. kittykat

    February 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    I think it is clear that they had sex without coming right out and saying it. With everything she boasted about in the interview chair, she is so proud of herself until he brought her down a notch. Regardless of the reason JP told her he wasn’t proud of his actions, she would have been crying because based on her comments, she was acting like it was the greatest climax of her life.

  30. serapa

    February 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Well we are all agreeing on one thing.

    Juan Pablo had a major woody for Clare and if it wasn’t S-E-X, it was definitely some major 2nd/3rd base hanky panky. This was still a silly move on Clare’s part. What was she thinking? That it would be love and rosees???….hmmm…wait… this is ABC’s The Bachelor.

    Either way, she showed too many cards too soon. Latino guys tend to be old fashioned in this area and JP comes across as the old fashioned type. He wants to have sex with a ho, but marry a “good girl” – perferably Latino also.

  31. jacey

    February 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    With points made here in mind, I went back and watched the last hour again. Here’s my takeaway.

    JP asked Clare if she said anything about what happened. I missed that, originally. The impetus for that was she dropped that nugget during the toast. Can’t you just see the wheels turning in his head? “I’d better shut this sheeeet down now.

    Looking at it from his perspective how long would it have been before somebody connected all that time they spent alone together with what she said in the toast? And as someone already pointed out here, he was distancing himself from what happened because he knew it would be seen by whomever he ultimately chose. Way to cya, Dude! His “daughter” is going to see this. Take out “daughter” and insert ‘the girl I actually pick’ and things start to make a lot more sense. When talking to camera,

    I also noticed she was clearly parsing her words when talking to camera about JP being “on board” with the “feeling” Keep in mind; she’s talking to the camera crew who already knew everything. They saw what went on hours earlier by JP’s initiation (the pool). If something additional didn’t happen in the water, wouldn’t the camera people already know the dude was onboard since he initiated it? And before someone says it, no, she wasn’t explaining it to us – other than by extension. She was saving face with the people who were there. “He was totally onboard with it – “you saw what happened “or something to that effect.

    During the exchange, regarding what went down and what she was thinking beforehand, Clare described her motivation this way; “what would I want to do if there were no cameras around… If it was just me and you.” If they had just done more of the same in the water and if her intent and the outcome weren’t different, then the above excerpt from her explanation makes no sense.

    If all that was simply about being fair to the other girls, and concern for Camilla, then that conversation should/would have been about the entire day, not just the 4AM stuff. If you take sex out the equation, none of that drama makes any sense.

    I think somewhere along the way in all that, the light bulb went on for Clare and it dawned on her what he was really worried about. At that point she went from indignant to sobbing on-camera.

    In the upcoming episode, she’s trying to gauge where she stands, but in the place of growing a pair (instead of still hanging from his), and asking him, “hey, are you regretting the sex?” She sidesteps the real issue with “Did we do anything wrong? The answer to that is a de facto NO. Inappropriate, ummm ya, but there’s no rule that says they can’t.

    I’m sure the producers want to wring as much out of this as they possibly can, so when talking about their tryst, she’s likely been instructed to bump right up against it without explicitly saying they had sex. Plus, I do believe there’s a very arbitrary and archaic rule that leaves sex on the table, but direct references to it can’t be made on camera.

    Hey! I would love to think that a 32 y/o woman is smarter than what’s been portrayed, but I’ve seen nothing else that reasonably explains the drama within the framework of ALL that transpired that day (if the warm ocean was just more busting slob).

  32. LynnMJ

    February 5, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    As far as the ‘did they or didn’t they’ question, I couldn’t care less. JP is becoming more and more creepy every passing week. The way he constantly says, “look at me…..listen to me” makes me think that’s the way he talks to his child but is now using that technique on the women. Blech! Looks like a bad kisser, too.

  33. inara

    February 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    As someone else mentioned, and this occurred to me late last night. (Why in the world am I thinking about the Bachelor late at night??!)
    Anyway, I think the producers fed Clare the toast line about “making love” to try to stir up drama. That seemed out of character for Clare and when she said it, the girls all went “ooooooo!” I’m sure it got the wheels turning for some of the other girls and that’s just what the producers would want. It’s not good tv if the other girls don’t get suspicious about what might have happened. So yeah, I think that was a totally scripted set up by the producers and likely it freaked JP out.

  34. stefaniy

    February 5, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    Okay I feel really bad for the girls on the group date it was extremely not classy of juan pablo to be so obvious about singling Clare out and kissing her in front of the other girls. But he seems to not really care what so ever because he pretty much seems to be doing that every group date this season however he doesn’t just kiss one girl on a group date he’ll make out with like a couple of them.. I wonder how the girls feel after they actually watch these episodes because in the moment of that kiss you can tell they think they are the only ones being kissed by JP and they feel sooo special that’s why they assume they are getting a rose however imagine later watching it all back and seeing what really goes on they must get pissed.

  35. mush

    February 6, 2014 at 8:33 AM

    I love watching the bachelor after reading the spoilers and all your comments. this is so fun. thanks, guys.

  36. iheartvino

    February 6, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    inara, definitely! I don’t think there’s any chance that the producers DIDN’T tell Clare to say that in her toast. She even paused a little before saying it, which made me think it was something planned.

    mush- isn’t it fun? I enjoy RS’s columns and commenting back and forth on here with everyone way more than I enjoy watching this train wreck of a show.

  37. mush

    February 6, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    I rewatched the ep and jp is right in his tweet that nobody saw the kiss. andi, of course, reacted because she was told to by the producers. she works for them doing what they say so she can have her own bachelorette show. sharleen reacted a little and another girl pointed, but they are tourists who will point a lot and have mouth open wow moments a lot reacting to the scenery. so there are lots of clips for the producers to chose from to cut to when jp kisses clare. and also, look at the girls in the background when andi is reacting to the kiss, Cassandra is one. they are doing nothing! just rowing, having fun.

  38. mush

    February 6, 2014 at 9:34 AM

    also about the girls not seeing the kiss, but it being all editing making it look like they did. kat or someone at Vietnamese house over dinner later said clare and jp were in the bushes. but nothing about the kiss. nobody saw the kiss, only andi reacted and said as much because she was told to. abc has me in wrapped around their little finger, analyzing every little thing. im onto the fakeness and editing tricks, but abc says, so what. at least im watching. im a sucka!

  39. meuw

    February 6, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    “Im just TOO fair”, Juan Pablo says… perhaps he meant “I’m just too Fair… I feel it would only be fair if I were to go have sex with All the women in the ocean… then my superior sense of fairness wouldn’t be so rattled!” ??
    Can’t leave out te other sister wives!

    I had to say that the way Juan Pablo handled the ocean episode with Clair really revealed his attitudes towards women… He plaid a pretty age old card on clair, one that women like to think we’ve moved past in our time of Equality for women … not so it seems for our awe inspiring Juan Pablo.

    He may as well just have pulled out the scarlet letter and smacked it on her. How typically demeaning of him to be totally on board with whatever they were doing in the ocean, but then after treat her like she’s dirty and that she dragged him into the lurid event, while He was only going to the ocean with pure thoughts, gallantly, just to help her with her uptightness.

    Can you imagine if they were to get married, That Will be their memory of your first intimacy together… Juan Pablo telling her it was a mistake, and implying it was dirty & sluty.
    Super smooth, Juan Pablo.

    I think I would have to leave the show! I’d be thinking, if he really thought I was “The One” …then it wouldn’t bother him that something happend that the others didn’t have, OR that they did the NO NO, in the ocean….

    I bet ” he was thinking, oh “beaver butts” if I merry a did Sister wife want-to-be from this show, she’ll watch this episode and given their demure ways I won’t get in Too much heat for the NO NO in the ocean, but it will definitely put a damper on our time in my Love Dungeon that week, Oh Man!! ”

    btw women don’t make that big a stink about just making out, so there was something “BIG” going on in those waves to make her feel so glorious!

    Ohhh! BTW, did you see how he kept demanding that she not break eye contact with him when she he was speaking to her when she started crying, saying ” I don’t like it when you look away from me” …
    Super Creepy dude.

    Plus he kept talking over her and telling her she was wrong, in that condescending baby talk thing he does.. Oh that would make me mad!

    Can you imagine being with a guy and you cry in front of him for the first time and he tells you in this baby talk, condescending voice : #1- Stop Crying
    #2- I don’t like it when you don’t look at me!
    #3- just delete it from your mind, it’s over with now…!

    Ummm, see ya!!! Ya, creepy little man!

  40. serapa

    February 7, 2014 at 7:14 AM

    After much thought and listening to RS, I am beginning to rethink that Clare did not have sex in the ocean. ABC got me on this one….

    Poor Clare…she is not playing the game right. She is clueless just like JP

  41. jacey

    February 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    Yeah, the producers are manipulative regarding the contestants, what airs, etc. I get that. None of it, however, explains why what transpired in the ocean was differentiated from what happened practically all darn day. Even mingled with a heavy dose of skepticism, certain things just don’t add up, otherwise.

    ABC manipulating events, what’s said, or leaving certain things on the cutting room floor does not adequately explain the sobbing if all that happened in the ocean was more of the same stuff that happened during the group date. Women don’t generally respond to rejection to that extreme (no matter how purportedly crazy they are) unless they’ve given up the goods. Further, JP regretted specifically what happened at 4 AM, not what transpired earlier in the day which was far worse because the other women were AWARE of at least JP & Clare’s disappearance for an inordinate amount of time. Does anyone think they thought they were somewhere holding hands? THAT was completely rude and disrespectful yet he never raises it as part of his concerns. As far as the denials go, that was gonna happen, regardless. Has anyone ever owned up canoodling – even in the fantasy suite — before??? Coitus or not, there’s no question that something well beyond what they did earlier on occurred in the water. Even if Clare was coached to insinuate they had sex, it doesn’t mean they didn’t..

    I don’t believe half of the stuff I see coming out of this show. My sporadic tuning in is rooted in disbelief. Trista & Ryan, for example, may actually be the happiest coupling on the planet, but what I see doesn’t bear that out. Everything about them seems contrived (zero chemistry — and Ryan couldn’t look more uncomfortable). Smacks of an ‘arrangement.’ The same can be said of Sean & Catherine. Didn’t watch the wedding (haven’t watched any of them for that matter) … was already stocked up on BS for the week.

    I guess the bottom line is, whether ABC used her, JP did or there was some combination of both — Clare still comes out looking like a desperate fool. It’s almost better if she did go all the way. At least in that scenario she got SOMETHING for her trouble cuz she sure ain’t gett’n that final rose and her ‘brand’ is sullied at best. As someone amply pointed out, the vast majority of men in general, but particularly Latin men, will cavort with ‘easy’ girls, but don’t respect them or consider them marriage material. Same can be said of ABC… ‘Easy’ (or easily manipulated)’ chicks make for great ratings, but the next Bachelorette — not so much.

  42. kittykat

    February 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    I agree with you @jacey. To me, Clare’s comment of denial is simply to save face in the light of national exposure for their rendezvous that night. I just can’t believe that she has that level of sobbing otherwise. Not that JP has to learn some tact but he wasn’t wrong in his attempt to have her be a bit less pursuant of him after that uncomfortable toast she made.

  43. debbielynn62

    February 7, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    Hello Steve, I’m a big fan of yours. I want to comment about a reply you gave to someone’s suggestion for your site where people ask you questions and you answer them.
    The person had suggested that you could give your reply after each question so one didn’t have to scroll up to see what the person’s questions were each time we read your answer. You replied that for all the work or trouble it took someone to scroll up a little bit wasn’t much work to do and you didn’t think it needed changing. I can’t remember the exact wording but that was the gist of it.
    Anyway, I really liked that person’s idea. You see I am legally blind and so in order for me to read your wonderful site or anything else on my laptop, I have to zoom in to at least 175% so each time I read one of your replies to multiple questions, I have to scroll up a Lot to get back to remind myself what the question was and it is a big deal to me. So assuming it’s not a big chore to anyone is wrong and I really do wish you inserted your answer after each question, it would be easier for me and I’m sure others would like that too!
    As for my opinion on this season of the Bachelor, ewwwww, Juan P is a, let me say this is a nice respectable canadian gal way…..the container that a refreshing summer’s eve wash comes in…..and not even all that cute in my eyes, it’s a wonder there weren’t more girls walk out on him. I believe you when you say he’s not there to look for a wife but there to promote himself!
    Thanks for all the interesting reading!

  44. lobsterandbeer

    February 9, 2014 at 6:06 AM

    Wowsers I must be on a different page as everyone this year? I really don’t believe there was ocean baddunka-dunk at all!! Clare was very clear that she wanted to swim in the ocean (she said in her interview that she even tried to get the girls to go with her) and she was ecstatic that Juanny Pab was joining her. Don’t forget she has been doing nothing but live and breathe this guy for weeks so imagine what a high she was on that he was paying so much attention to her all day. I have a hard time believing that anything beyond some underwater first base stuff happened that night, especially considering her personality, the fact that he has a daughter, the 3 cameramen, and producers on the beach and all of America that were watching, haha! When she saw him the next day she was on an emotional high thinking she had his love solidified because she got extra time, and when he crushed her sensitive soul by not feeling the same special thoughts saying it was a mistake PLUS throwing in the fact that it might affect his daughter I think he may as well have thrown a bomb in her face! He also realized that he was manipulated to go for a swim with Clare and that he didn’t want to be portrayed as “that guy” (aka Ben F) and that his future pick (that he probably already knew was Nikki) and the media would probably look at it in a negative light (and they have) so he was trying to redeem himself not knowing Clare would have a hormonal breakdown about it!

    Speaking of Ben (bleck) I also don’t see why all the negativity about Juanny Pab! I think he is cute, and I guess maybe I just get his humour? He seems compassionate and the “look at me” is common with men who are struggling with a second language because they find they have to repeat themselves if they do not communicate directly to you. I guess I am just finding myself not fast forwarding half as much as I did during Prince Lorenzo, Jake Pavelka, Brad Part II, BEN and Sean!!! Maybe next year they can find someone that makes me put my PVR remote away??

  45. regalsusan

    February 11, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    If you have not read the blog today in the Daily Beast about Juan Pukeo, please do so now. Its a great take on this season, El Bachelor and how we are suffering thru possibly the worst season. ABC made a huge mistake with this clown as the lead. I think by the end of it, nobody will like him. His 15 minutes of fame has turned into a nightmare for him. His poor Camilla will be so ashamed of him, his worst fear, besides hurting anyone. His words, not mine.

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