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The “Bachelor” Finale Recap Including an Exclusive Look at 9 Guys on Andi’s Season

Lets get to a bunch of questions surrounding last’s finale and ATFR, starting with the three you are most interested in:

1) What did Juan Pablo say to Clare in the helicopter?

I’m actually surprised at how many people are asking this. Did you not watch the show? It was basically re-iterated twice. Once in general, and then later the exact wording. When they got in the suite and Clare confronted him, she mentioned how he said he loved being physical with her. Then after he dumped her, her exact quote was, “Don’t say you love f***ing me.” Even WetPaint ran that story before the show aired last night, getting confirmation from a “source.” Well, it’s obvious that source is one of the girls from the show that Clare told it to, but that’s neither here nor there. The point is all you had to do was listen to what Clare said and she told everyone after she got dumped the exact specifics. Not sure why when they brought it up on the ATFR that Clare didn’t say it again, but hey, it’s not like she’s gonna go dropping the f-bomb on live television so I can see why she avoided it.

2) What surprise was Chris Harrison promoting all episode that never happened?

It’s no secret after watching last night that Juan Pablo was over the show, and the show was pretty much over him. From his tweets, from Chris Harrison constantly bad mouthing him to the media this season, to the numerous reports the producers hated him, it was obvious this relationship went sour. If you want to commend Juan Pablo for anything, it’s how he basically turned the tables on production last night. The surprise Chris was referring to was they were expecting a proposal last night because that’s what Juan Pablo told them he was going to do. E! Online ran a story today essentially saying the same thing. But he never had any intention of proposing. And he never will. He just decided not to tell them he wasn’t going to so they couldn’t plan ahead. Essentially just f***ing with them. Never told them if he was gonna accept that monetary offer or not either. Just kinda left them hanging and thinking a proposal was coming, and then made Chris Harrison look stupid when he asked, “Don’t you have a surprise for us?” Huh? What surprise? I know no surprise. Esssss ok. So yeah, producers thought he was proposing last night because he told them he would, even though he never had any intention to. So they hyped it just in case, and it backfired.

3) What happened two weeks ago that gave Juan Pablo and Nikki a “change of plans” in their relationship?

That was the DWTS issue. Juan Pablo was going to be a cast member this season, but the higher ups pulled the plug on him probably because of the media storm he caused with his gay comments and realizing that people didn’t really like him as much as they did back in September. So as I told you a couple weeks ago, he was no longer going to be on the cast. When Chris asked them “What are your plans now,” the reason he said “Our plans changed a couple weeks ago” was because that’s when he found out he wasn’t going to be on DWTS. If he was on it, he’d be put up in housing in LA, and I’m sure Nikki was gonna move out there for the time being with him, kinda like Catherine did with Sean. Now? I have no idea what those two plan on doing. He certainly isn’t moving to Kansas City, and I don’t see her moving down to Miami by herself to live with him. Your guess is as good as mine. I mean c’mon. Does anybody believe these two will last after watching that debacle last night?

4) Why wasn’t Neil Lane in St. Lucia?

Well, he was. And he met Juan Pablo. They just decided not to show it on the episode. They saved it for thedeleted scenes. If Juan Pablo would’ve proposed in St. Lucia, the scene of him picking out rings with Neil would’ve been shown. He didn’t, so it wasn’t. Pretty simple.

5) So did Juan Pablo ever have any intention of proposing to anyone this season?

No. Absolutely not. I’ve been telling you that for months. One of the things that I can’t prove but, ummmmm, if you watched any episode this season, then watched his performance last night, I don’t think it’s hard to tell that he was not invested into this process at all, is glad it’s over, and will probably never have anything to do with this franchise ever again. ABC’s fault for casting him in the first place, and Juan Pablo’s fault for acting like a horse’s ass for most of the season.

6) Do you think Chris Harrison was too hard on Juan Pablo and Nikki last night?

Ehhh, yes and no. Yes in the fact that Chris basically got embarrassed by Juan Pablo for the whole surprise thing and they still had a good 20 minutes of airtime to fill, so he had to keep harping on it. No in that, it’s his job. I don’t think Chris asking Juan Pablo “Why can’t you just say you love her” was too much. I think he could’ve directed more questions at Nikki and asked her what she thought about things, was she expecting a proposal, when she didn’t get it was she mad, what’s it been like over the last 4 months, etc. Chris didn’t ask anything that the live audience and everyone sitting at home didn’t want to know, which was, “Why can’t you act like you’re happy with everything?”

7) Do you think Juan Pablo loves Nikki?

Absolutely not. There’s a reason Juan Pablo never said on TV last night that he loved her. Had nothing to do with cultural differences, or being private, or whatever BS answer he was feeding everyone. He didn’t say he loves her because he doesn’t. It can’t get more simple than that. For four months I’ve told you this guy was in it for the paycheck, had zero interest in finding a wife on this show, was never going to propose on TV, and will never propose to any of these girls in real life. It’s just the way it is. Nikki will realize that sooner rather than later and they’ll be done. What an absolutely bizarre f***ing relationship. Yikes. Have some self respect Nikki. To sit there and take that on live TV? I mean, wow. Just wow.

8) Do you think Nikki is in love with Juan Pablo?

I think she’s trying to convince herself she is. Small town girl, getting the taste of fame, I’m sure that Nikki is much more into the fact she “won” the show than she is of actually being with Juan Pablo. No self respecting woman can sit up there like she did last night and not stand up for herself or speak out on their relationship. She says she doesn’t know if he loves her, but then in the same breath says, “Well, he doesn’t say it, but he shows it.” She’s completely been brainwashed and everyone watching last night, apparently except for her, can see this relationship is going nowhere.

9) How did you think Andi came off last night?

Lets just say I’ll take Des roller blading around Santa Monica Pier over Andi walking awkwardly through a park with a giant grin on her face any day of the week and twice on Sundays. One of the more cornier intro packages we’ve ever seen, and that’s saying something.

10) Ummmm, will you be spoiling Andi’s season?

As long as this show is on the air, I will continue to spoil it. Every. Season.

Ultimately I think you saw Juan Pablo’s true colors come out in St. Lucia and then on the ATFR. You say all those nice things to Clare and about Clare, then you let her go, and just because she’s honest with you about how she feels you immediately do a 180 and say “Glad I didn’t pick her?” Does he realize what a complete jackass that makes him look like? Not to mention rude, insensitive, egotistical, and any other horrible adjective you can think of. Then again, none of what happened last night should really surprise anyone. He’s a phony who was just in it for the fame and money aspect of it, had no idea what he was getting into, and when he started realizing that not everyone is going to like you, had no clue how to react. Usually it meant going on the defensive and insulting more people. But hey, that’s Juan Pablo. He doesn’t know any better. He doesn’t think he’s done one thing wrong all season. Not one. And that’s pretty much him in a nutshell. Clueless.

Glad to be done with this debacle. Moving on to next season. Lets take a look at some of Andi’s guys, shall we?

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  1. liz123

    March 12, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    @caffeinequeen, I was totally being sarcastic (in reference to oddball comments above mine) when I mentioned North Korea, etc. I totally get Between Two Ferns. Have seen many of them. I apologize if you didn’t catch the tone of sarcasm. The internet definitely needs a sarcasm font for this reason!

    @jacey, sorry, maybe I didn’t communicate that too well. I really wasn’t trying to say the internet necessarily invented the phrase. I honestly don’t know who did or when, but I am rather certain it was not Dianne. 😉

    Also, jacey, why did the People cover change your impression of Nikki? I thought the People cover showed her in the exact same light (looking to Juan Pablo both literally & figuratively). You didn’t see it that way?

  2. hh81

    March 12, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Thanks Steve, I stumbled across your site quite early in the season so was very happy knowing the spoilers. Especially as JP was by far the worst Bachelor ever. I can’t believe he was picked as a lead, his English is terrible. He never talks about anything other then himself, Camilla, football and Venezuela.

    I’m a big Bachelor fan, I found a site were I can watch episode going back to season 15 can anyone recommend any where it can watch episodes going back further? I live in the UK, so need a site which allows access to all countries.

    Really looking forward to Andi’s season, Josh Murray sounds great, I agree with Steve he’s got the next Bachelor written all over him, if he doesn’t get snapped up that is. Reading a brief description of all the guys it seems Andi’s minimum requirements are that they have graduated. Makes me think that they knew at the beginning that Andi was going to be bachelorette.

    I really disliked Clare during whole of the season but after the final I feel for her, it seems she genuinely thought JP was into and had feeling for her.

  3. angelfish

    March 12, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    In both live TV and radio, the biggest mortal sin is to have DEAD AIR. Chris Harrison was desperately trying to find something, anything to talk about with JP. Nikki was obviously not going to say anything to either help or hurt the situation.

    Chris was not harassing JP, he was being a professional and doing his JOB. Something obviously JP has no concept of. Chris Harrison gets paid big $$$ to do what he does, and for me, that was the perfect example of him trying to salvage what little he could despite JP’s petulant and bitter childishness.

    Chris was doing his job. JP doesn’t even have a real one of those.

  4. jacey

    March 12, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    Best break down of the Bach breakdown I’ve seen thus far — in case you haven’t seen it.

    @Liz123 –
    Was less how they looked on the People cover, but that they were on it. I’m thinking the People exclusive yielded at least $50K ea. It’s all about the Benjamins. I saw that and things started to make sense again.

    Nikki received the “bitch” edit this season — deserving or not. Unfortunately, it hasn’t won her any brownie points with respect to public opinion. Playing demure tones that negative perception down. There’s clearly a PR person working with them. Smart move. ABC shouldn’t be the only ones making bank off their story. They should profit, too.

  5. bambi404

    March 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    So excuse me in advance if this is not PC but being that Andi is Jewish, why are there no Jewish guys in this original line-up? I know we are only looking at 9 of the guys right now but wouldn’t the producers want to include just a few Jewish guys? I think it may be important to Andi because at one point she said to Juan Pablo ” you don’t even know what religion I practice” so she does think about that, even if only a little bit.

  6. rosespourmoi

    March 12, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    Juan Pablo played it wrong at every turn — during the show and then at the ATFR. He had plenty of time between the two to turn his image around after he was seeing that show producers decided to do something they’d never done: Turn on the lead. And now he’s really screwed himself. He didn’t have to propose or even say he loved her. All he needed to do was say, “I’m sorry.” The most interesting comment was the exchange when Catherine said, “You don’t slap the hand that fed you.” Now this comment had even greater meaning that what appeared on the surface. Juan won’t get any of the perks that the show could bring (which is what he wanted in the first place) and will have to get a real job. Sniff, sniff.

    The reason Juan wasn’t participating was because he was angry. And like a child, he wouldn’t communicate. Those with narcissistic personality disorders deal with conflict like children do because they’ve never evolved emotionally beyond that point. Even his mother and cousin told both women he couldn’t handle conflict like an adult in so many words–so his culture ain’t got nothin’ to do with it.

    It was obvious in his body language and his dialogue with Chris Harrison, constantly claiming he was being interrupted…. He was angry. He blamed the show for screwing him out of DWTS, but he did that to himself very early on. And now he decided to take control (in his mind). But he just burned all the bridges. Please don’t say “He didn’t want to drink the Kool-Aid so props to him.” You are giving him way to much credit.

  7. rosespourmoi

    March 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    *too much credit, I meant.

  8. flightgirl

    March 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    There was a room full of people for Chris to talk to instead of trying to force JP to sputter out an I love you when he didn’t want to. Move the hell on Chris. It was redundant and boring. Ask Nikki a question instead.

    As someone mentioned earlier, Desi and Chris were there and also on the same season with JP. I would have liked to have heard from them.

  9. angelfish

    March 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Flightgirl….I agree Chris could have asked a lot of other people all kinds of irrelevant stuff. But that’s not the purpose of ATFR.

    And yes, Chris Sigfried actually LIVED with JP for about 7 weeks on the Dez season. If anybody has any decent input on the REAL JP, it’s him & the other guys from the season.

    But I imagine they all have to be REALLY careful what they say, because some want to be on Bachelor Pad, and don’t want to burn any bridges with ABC (Unlike Juan Pesto), and ABC is paying for Dez & Chris’s presumably VERY expensive wedding.
    No biting hands for those folks!

  10. duckquack

    March 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    liz123……i know what “te adoro” means…..nowhere did i say it means I love You….
    “Amor” is said on his twitter when is giving the link for the youtube song video
    tube video before it starts it says “Mi carita” which can be my sweetheart, or my dearest….both ways have been said by people.

    what happens to their relationship from now on is what will show their strength, if they survive it will be great, if they don’t it will be no different than many others, and not because he refused to say ” I love you” on TV…..

  11. duckquack

    March 12, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Chris Sigfried did not live with Juan for 7 weeks…..dude has a wedding coming whose ass he gonna kiss Juan or Fleiss?

  12. duckquack

    March 12, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    Juan’s family’s home date was edited heavily, once Pablo refused to co-operate….
    Pablo was ousted from Sean’s wedding…Pablo was going to DWTS and they said he was too risky..
    then they put cash on the table on AFTFRC and insult him as if to buy his love….he refused it all, he was pissed they manipulated him and turned it around when they needed him the most.
    Catherine shows her coochie to earn the dollars they are
    producers just adore her, meanwhile Sean is a pawn and knows not half the stuff she does…there is a reason her new sister in law treats her indifferently.
    once you veer off their program you are hated, Travis, Brad, and all those who did not follow the puppet
    Once the show is done he doesn’t owe them anything.
    Brad got paid half a million $$ for his second gig, and did no promotion.

  13. angelfish

    March 12, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    Oh excuse me, duckquack….JP was eliminated at the end of week 6…My mistake. I’m sure that makes a HUGE difference.

  14. amyrn22

    March 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    @rosespourmoi I totally agree with you. Great point of view. He was acting like a immature child and I think its all bc of DWTS kicking him out. He didn’t really care at all about finding a wife obvi, so the show edit wasn’t what bothered him. Also, he didn’t care that everyone was mad at him for his gay remarks. All he did was defend himself. It was that DWTS offer that really made him mad.

  15. duckquack

    March 12, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    angelfish 6 weeks or 7 weeks really makes no difference, and JP never hung out with Chris…they were not bunk-mates…
    either or, you don’t kick a brother when he is pummeled from all sides, just so you can be a puppet….you get up like a man and say you know what, not sure i could carry the show with 27 pms beyotches.

  16. jacey

    March 13, 2014 at 6:37 AM

    Juan Pablo’s motivations for flipping the script aren’t central to the outcome. What’s significant is that he DID. I don’t see how highlighting this fact gives him any kind of credit. ‘It is what it is.’ The question is, will it having any lasting effects. Imo, it’s completely ludicrous that there’s this expectation to declare love and/or propose; or otherwise be threatened with a bad edit, abandoned, etc. Juan Pablo being a first class a$$ doesn’t excuse ABC’s culpability in what’s turned out to be a very negative (albeit successful) season of The Bachelor for all.

    I personally don’t subscribe to all the boxed fairy tale crap. Things going awry or contrary to ‘tradition’ grab my focus and time. Would love to see the network stop blowing smoke up our collective arses, and trust us to handle some non-whitewashed (and I mean that literally and figuratively) REALITY TV. I think we all just proved (with the most recent melee) we can handle it.

    One of the most popular shows on the network is a FAIRY TALE in which conflict is its lifeblood. How awesome (and more realistic) would it be to have (for example) the lead standing at the alter and have the wrong one or nobody show up? Instead we see them (with voiceover) explaining their decision to leave as they pack their bags and head for the airport.

    Love him; hate him, or something in between. Intentional or not; Juan Pablo & Co brought us, hands down (imo) the BEST season of the franchise EVER!!!

  17. liz123

    March 13, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    I agree 100% with you, jacey. It was a great season. Don’t we all watch mostly for the drama anyway? A contender for the best finale ever in terms of twists. I don’t always have to see a “happily ever after” to enjoy the show. It’s more like *real* reality anyway when it doesn’t work out as planned– such is life.

    duckquack, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at in general. That JP “won” over ABC & he does in fact love Nikki?? I just disagree. He wanted a measure of fame imo & he failed at that b/c he couldn’t hide what a jerk he is. As far as Nikki, I think (for now at least) he just has the major hots for her. I’m very interested to know what you mean when you say that Catherine has shown her “coochie”. Explain please? And what exactly is “half the stuff she does” that Sean doesn’t know about (but you apparently do)?

    Btw, I’m totally stunned that the turn of events is such that I find myself defending ABC! What’s happening to me? 😉

  18. jacey

    March 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Check out this video dedication from Juan Pablo to Carla Rodriques circa 2009. A point of interest @ 3:09. It appears Camilla doesn’t carry her dad’s name. Not sure if that’s a culture thing, or what.

    And yes, @Liz123… Sharleen piqued my interest, and the frequent infusions of drama kept me tuned in. Say what you will about JP, the only thing predictable about that cat was his unpredictability. He kept reaching new lows (with the aide of one big co-conspirator), and I luv that about him — along with his nonconformity to the “process.” Btw… How big a hypocrite is ABC for villainizing (not that he helped himself any) him and building up ‘too little, too late’, sour grapes, would-be-with-him-right-now-had-he-not-dismissed-her, Clare? Oh, wait. Betcha Chiclets she’s among the cast of Bachelor Pad. Let’s not forget, they manipulated her just as Juan Pablo did. Doubt they’re done.

  19. rob22

    March 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM

    I don’t know anyone that watches The Kardashians because they like, respect or care about them at all. People like a good train wreck and The Kardashians deliver. Three week marriages, Lamar Odom, Bruce Jenner, Kanye. You can’t find more self absorbed people then that. Mix them with vain, self absorbed, entitled beyotches and a train wreck is guaranteed. So people watch.

    Now, The Bachelor has always sold the “fairy tale”. And they didn’t get that this time, so they flipped into sell the train wreck mode. And it worked. The ratings were high. The question is whether they just made lemonade out of lemons, and will now return to the fairy tale, or whether the ratings of the train wreck will draw them more in that direction in the future. People might be getting too bored and cynical for the fairy tale. Certainly the show has a solid Plan B if a show ever goes sideways again like it did with JP.

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