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The Bachelorette 10 - Andi

The “Bachelorette” Andi Recap Including What Happens with Eric’s Exit Tonight

-Cocktail party time, and our first guy drama of the season. Eric gets the first 1-on-1 time that we’re shown, and it’s for a reason. Yeah sure, he told he wanted to thank her for their first date, but the whole point of this was to have his date interrupted by a bouquet of flowers and a card that Nick sent through. The transparency of this scene is so ridiculous, it’s mind blowing. In 28 seasons of the show, NO ONE has ever interrupted 1-on-1 time with a gift. Sure, they interrupt all the time because they’re told to walk in and interrupt, but to see this gift brought in was just laughable. Oh, so Nick got on the phone, called the florist, and told them he wanted it delivered at the exact time Andi was sitting down with someone else? Sure he didn’t. So dumb. So contrived. And so utterly pointless. I said in the spoilers that a guy this season writes Andi anonymous letters. That person eventually will be revealed to be Chris. I think she gets her first letter from him on tonight’s episode. This wasn’t anonymous because they made it known it was from Nick. Chris is the letter writer this season who does it anonymously. Not sure when he eventually tells her or if she figures it out, but it’s definitely him who does it.

-It took all of a whopping couple days, but now skeptical Nick is all in. They kiss outside the mansion and Nick is sold. “I have 100% genuine, real feelings for Andi.” As opposed to what? 50%, maybe half hearted, phony feelings for her? I’m a little confused Nick. Is one hiking date and kissing on top of the clock tower all he needed to be sold. Or was it the prodding from producers behind-the-scenes convincing you after a week of filming how much you were into her and things were looking great between you two? Now we can kinda see why Nick said the things he did on the plane. I get the sense that Nick was pretty oblivious to this show, how it worked, and past seasons. My guess is Nick had never watched this show before, got caught up in all the dates, faux romance, and what not, then when he gets dumped in favor of Josh, what he said on the plane was his true feelings. He had no idea it was coming, totally thought she was gonna pick him, and was pretty surprised when she didn’t. And that shock and awe came from the fact he was probably easily manipulated behind the scenes into thinking that Andi was going to pick him. Nick is no different than the previous 27 second place finishers. Don’t worry pal. It’s not like Andi or Josh didn’t hear you call them out or anything. Oh wait….

-The drama begins when JJ pulls Josh outside and talks about the story behind Andrew getting a waitresses number when they went out the other night. He’s talking about the night of the stripping group date, since JJ, Andrew, Nick, Chris and Eric were the only ones not on that date. I guess producers took them to dinner, Andrew was flirting, got a waitress’ number then flaunted it in the car. JJ and Josh decide to confront him on this at the cocktail party. Not sure why they wouldn’t have confronted him the night it happened, or bothered to tell Andi, but I guess that’s not important right now. They go up to Andrew, tell him they don’t think it’s right what he did, and Andrew calmly gives a, “I’m not gonna engage in this” comment before walking away, up the stairs, and into his room closing the door. I think Nicholas did the same thing this weekend when his mom told him he was in trouble for not cleaning his room, so this really went over well. JJ and Josh follow him and call him out for walking away from the situation. Andrew doesn’t seem to care as he sits in the room sucking his thumb so they can go to commercial break. I’m assuming.

-Marcus with another stealth appearance at the cocktail party and he says that he “believes in love at first sight…you’re a sweet, most unique girl I ever met…can’t stop kissing you.” Sorry Charlie. Josh already beat you to that one. He can’t stop kissing her either and told her, so you lose. Maybe those lines will work on some of the girls down in Mexico, and since I’m guessing they didn’t get to watch last night’s episode, you’re totally in the clear. Use those again and see which poor sap falls for them. It’ll be comical if they do. Marcus really does come across as a loner this season, and Andi has already pointed out that twice that he’s in the background. By all accounts, this is all accurate. Marcus did keep to himself in the house, never really got that close to anyone, and only liked talking with certain producers.

-Andrew finally comes out of the room after changing his pants that he pissed down his leg in, and says he’ll speak to the guys. He claims he was handed a waitress’ number the 2nd or 3rd night he was there and doesn’t remember talking about it with the guys or flaunting it in the car ride home. Obviously JJ and Josh’s story (further collaborated by Nick) is completely different. Someone is lying. Did they completely make up an “Andrew got a girls number” story for the sake of some cocktail party drama, or did it really happen? I wasn’t there so I can’t know for sure, but I was told that’s what happened, hence the reason I pointed it out last week. I guess we’ll get more of a resolution to this at the “Men Tell All,” so it’s just picking sides at this point. And I’m guessing more people like JJ, Josh, and Nick than they do Andrew who comes across as a complete weasel on the show. So he’s probably got very little support in his corner. Really? Women just come up to him and start handing him their number? Wow. Congratulations.

-Andrew then starts laying into some of the guy’s for accusing him of this and in an ITM calls them “low life’s.” Josh angry. Josh want to punch wall. Nick say Josh has temper and Josh show he get angry when someone disrespect Andi. AAAAARRRRHHHHHHH. Maybe Josh hasn’t watched much of this show in the past as well because he decided to steal a phrase from who could be the douchiest character we’ve seen on this show in the last 5 years. Josh tells Andrew he’s a “grown ass man.” Oh boy. Don’t ever say that. Seriously. You realize that Chris Bukowski coined that phrase while trying to bow up to guys during Emily’s season, and look where that got him? Telling someone you’re a grown ass man is never a good thing. Your actions should show it. I guess at least Josh can get away with it since he ends up getting the girl in the end, but still. Awful phrase that needs to be retired and any guy who says it in the future needs to be immediately booted from this show after being given a blanket party by the rest of the guys. Code Red, fellas. No excuses. New rule I’m implementing.

-Rose ceremony time. Nick, Josh, and JJ already with roses. Andi: “These nights are bittersweet…cannot say how grateful I am and thankful I am…and how lucky I feel tonight…by the way, this waitress Andrew hit on isn’t as hot as me, is she?”

Marcus: Every time I hear him speak I feel like I’m in the most boring science class with some teacher rambling on and on about microbiology.
Brian: Ooooohhhhh boy…tonight’s his big night. Brian gets to live out his fantasy of showing off playing basketball in front of Andi.
Marquel: I’m guessing the members of Boyz II Men were most disappointed in his performance cuz, you know, c’mon. He should know better.
Tasos: A musician, had a halfway decent voice, and he couldn’t remember the chorus of the song?
Cody: I think in the past week, I’ve gotten three emails comparing Cody to a different character. Those will be in Thursday’s column.
Patrick: Really has done nothing in three episodes other than make love to Andrew.
Chris: Took a backseat this week with no date other than being the shoulder for Dylan to cry on. Budding bromance.
Eric: Get ready.
Dylan: I’m guessing his story next week on his 1-on-1 will start tugging on the heart strings.

“Andi, gentleman. It’s the final rose tonight. When you’re ready. I wonder which former female contestants I can woo with my rendition of ‘I’ll Make Love to You’ being a single dad now. I’m sure it’ll work on one of them.”

Andrew: If the guys were that upset at what he did (which they should be if he got a chicks number), why wouldn’t they immediately tell Andi? I wouldn’t look at that as tattling. On something like that, she has a right to know since the whole concept of the show is to fall for Andi, and if he got another girl’s number and shared it with the guys, then well, it’s kinda obvious he’s not there for her, right?

I’ll be back with another column tomorrow which I’m sure a lot of you will have thoughts on since, judging from the previews, looks like they are going to show Eric’s exit in full. I mean, they’re showing Andi’s reaction to after she let Eric go and they even show Eric leaving in a cab, so it looks like they’re gonna show the whole thing. Here’s what I can tell you how he left. During the cocktail party, Eric and Andi got into an argument outside. He confronted her about being fake and being an actress who wasn’t reallyt here to find love. This obviously set her off, she got upset, she starts crying, she let him go and ends up canceling the cocktail party. Looks like we will see more of that conversation tonight but that’s the gist of it. Eric thought she was being a bit phony and called her out on it. Does it make Eric a bad person? Of course not. That’s his opinion and he’s entitled to it. If that’s what he witnessed, then that’s what he felt like he needed to express to her.

Unfortunately, the circumstances surrounding what happened to Eric after the fact magnify this situation. If Eric were alive today, this thing would have been promoted from the very get go, because unfortunately, Eric’s drama is what brought the mood down in Connecticut. If he was eliminated at a rose ceremony, it would’ve been easy not to show. But this was a separate argument she has outside with him, it got a little heated, and it made Andi upset enough to start crying and cancel the cocktail party. In a sense, Eric is right. Of course she’s acting. Every lead has to act or else there wouldn’t be a show. They act like they like some people more than they do, and they have to act like they don’t like someone as much even though they really do. It’s part of the job. Eric had every right to call her out on it if that’s how he felt, especially if they just had a 1-on-1 date less than two weeks previous and he’s noticing a change in her behavior. He called her out, she got upset and sent him home. So yeah, it didn’t end well for him and it certainly wasn’t positive, but the show wants you to see everything that happened, so it looks like they’re gonna show it. I don’t know how they don’t considering they’ve already showed her reaction to it.

Seeing a guy who got the first 1-on-1 of the season already gone by episode 4, you knew this was bothering him enough to speak up. And unfortunately the guy ended up passing before this topic could’ve been examined more in depth at the “Men Tell All.” Guys were not happy with Eric and this drama he brought to the table, right or wrong. It’s just how they felt at the time. Obviously in the grand scheme of things, it’s small potatoes. Eric spoke his mind before he left, and unfortunately, this will be the lasting image of him on the show. But lets not pigeonhole the guy into whatever they show tonight because he’s obviously much more than that. Because he didn’t like a girl on a reality TV show and called her out for not being real and being an actress doesn’t minimize anything he’s previously done in his life. Talking about it the day he died wasn’t necessary. Too soon. But you’ve all been asking since he died what the circumstances were surrounding his exit, and the show certainly looks like they’re not shying away from it, so that’s what happened. I’m sure what airs tonight will be a lightning rod topic for the next week or so.

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  1. tia89

    June 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    I’m actually happy to finally know the reason why Eric left, as it was not nearly as bad as I was thinking. Yes, you can tell Andi is extremely upset by what he says however you have to respect the fact that he was honest with her about what he was feeling. It was kind of clear that Andi wasn’t as interested in him as she was with some of the other guys and he obviously realized that.

    I really like Andi as The Bachelorette however comparing how she is this season to last season, it’s literally like two different people.

    Eric seemed like the most genuine guy in the house and I’d be surprised if this truly changes anyone’s opinion of him. I was in the audience for the Magic Mike group date and it was so interesting to see that really only Josh and Marcus paid attention solely to Andi. The other guys were more interested in getting to know all of us in the audience then Andi(obviously that wasn’t shown). I’m sure Eric was not the only one who felt that way, but probably the only one who valued being honest and risking getting sent home, then staying quiet on hopes of more screen time.

  2. angelfish

    June 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Everybody on that show is acting in some capacity, from Chris Harrison to the producers to the guests, the lead and the daters. Everybody. Everbody says things they probably don’t 100% believe and/or feel. I simply do not believe that Eric was 100% honest 100% of his time on the show.
    Getting all bunchy & self-righteous on a competitive reality TV show is just juvenile to me. That includes all of the guys calling out Andrew instead of taking the info to a producer.
    Eric’s outrage may be more sour grapes than non-judgemental honesty, but he may be totally justified in what he says. He may come off as perfectly reasonable and logical, or disgruntled and jealous. We’ll find out tonight.

  3. linny

    June 2, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Trying to be as respectful as I can to the deceased, Eric, may he rest in peace. That being said, so far, what I’ve seen of him on the show, he seems to have a big ego and wants to conquer everything he does. Hence all the death defying stuff he did all the time, some of it is mind blowing, to risk your life for what, an adrenaline rush/thrill? Andi didn’t even kiss him on that one date they had; but he questions her about finding love, and is ticked because he “didn’t get a special hello from her” when she saw him. Obviously, she didn’t find love with him, that is her right at the lead. I don’t think Eric could never handle not being #1 in anything he did, including the show. Also, he didn’t go on it for love, so to call Andi out is almost funny, he went to promote his around the world odyssey.

    Yes, sorry he died, but he died doing the dangerous stuff that made him who he was. Again, it’s very sad that he passed away. But for folks, including RS, to put him on some type of pedestal, only because he died is not right either. Even with all his worldly accomplishments, at the end of the day, Eric was a guy looking for adventure and fun 24/7. No way he was going to get married at this point in his life. That all gets muddled and not mentioned because his horrible death.

  4. bigfatwoman

    June 2, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    Hmmmm…..interesting development with Eric. He has come across as really likable and dynamic, but without him here to tell his side of the story, we’ll never know his reasons.

    I really like Andi, but I have to say I am still baffled by her choice in Josh. I think he seems smarmy. Give me a JJ or Nick any day of the week. They are way less smooth and seem way more genuine.

    By the way, when I see Marcus, all I think is porn star. He definitely has the look.

  5. ashleigh11

    June 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    The vibe that Eric had is more ‘real’ than many of the others, and since we weren’t there, it’s impossible to really take stock of the way Andi behaved – maybe he just realized she wasn’t ‘that’ interested in him based on the stand-offish way she was after the date and he realized he didn’t want to play the game or waste more time there. Maybe she put out a vibe that turned him off and something happened that pushed it over the edge for him. It’s ok for Andi to call out Juan Pablo for the same reasons, but not for Eric to do the same? Fair is fair, in my opinion. People shouldn’t be judged for expressing honest opinions – whether it’s the lead or the ‘contestants’.

  6. jacquibk

    June 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    I think that Eric felt more for Andi than she did for him. It was way too soon for her to “decide”. When he spoke to her “last night” about thanking her, I believe he was fishing for approval or confirmation that what he felt for her was returned. When he did not get what he was seeking, his wheels began turning and he became frustrated with the process. Had he stuck it out and was able to handle the journey, he may have had a shot at her heart and may even have been alive today. This “journey” is not for everyone. It is hard to find love and even harder to find it when you are competing with a boat load of competitive men vying for the affections of one woman. He called her out because he himself could not handle it. In the end, I am so sad that his story ended in the loss of his life too young. I surely would have preferred hearing down the road that he had found the love of his life. He said that was his ultimate goal, and I believe he was honest about that. He will be dearly missed by all who loved him. I believe he was a genuine and sensitive soul who sought out thrills to compensate for a lack of connection. Had he found that connection, I believe his soul would have been content. He said it himself, that his list was growing short and he was ready. RIP, Eric.

  7. linny

    June 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Wow, Michelle, thanks. Even his sister, who loved him dearly, knew the day would come when she’d get the call he died. He was such a risk taker and daredevil. And sometimes the price for that is serious injury or death, it’s very sad.

    We must remember whatever is shown tonight, whether it puts Andi or Eric in a bad light, this was done when no one had any idea he would meet such an untimely death when he returned home.

    For me, I’m going to view and judge, as if Eric had not died, that’s only fair to Andi, and whatever she does tonight. It will be so wrong if people bash her, ONLY because Eric died after he left the show. She had nothing to do with that.

  8. nora j

    June 2, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    Honestly I think the reason Eric called her out was prob cuz he could feel she wasn’t as into him anymore. This isn’t Andi’s fault…she just wasn’t feeling the connection with Eric. I think that made him accuse her of acting like she liked him earlier, etc…like he prob felt she led him on….or if not exactly that then he’s bothered somehow by her not being as into him anymore and this is the way he rationalizes it. Why else would he accuse her of acting? I think if Andi was really into Eric and showed it, he wouldn’t have had this argument with her.

  9. bigfatwoman

    June 2, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    That Eric tribute was nothing but a gratuitous Andi pr move. I wonder if they invited any family members or friends to honor him? Where were the photos? All we got was Andi dancing around the fact that she was snubbing him because she was smitten with Josh.

    Epic fail.

  10. angelfish

    June 2, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    I think it was an appropriate ending.

    It’s not an Eric Hill tribute show, it’s the Bachelorette. Eric was a small part of it and they paid their tribute to him twice. I’m sure all of his family & friends have done many tributes, memorials and other things to mark his life and death. Time to move on.

    I also thought he realized she wasn’t that into him, so he cut his losses, tried to make it her fault for “acting” and decided to force the issue.

    Not a bad guy, just a bad contestant. He wasn’t number 1 on Andi’s Hit Parade, so he moved on. He wasn’t the first, and he won’t be the last on this franchise.

  11. linny

    June 2, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Bottom line, if Eric hadn’t died (doing what he loved), Andi would not be bashed like she is on social media. It’s shame, she didn’t know he would die after her left the show, no one did. There’s real time, when the show taped, and now time, after the fact that Eric died. As RS tweeted, absolutely, they have nothing to do with each other.

    RealitySteve ?@RealitySteve
    Lets separate Eric and Andi’s argument from his death. One has nothing to do with the other.

  12. lmh0195

    June 2, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    I definitely couldn’t fault Eric for calling out Andi. He was completely expressing his opinion. I agree with steve and what some of the previous posters have said. At the end of the day, pretty much everyone has done some kind of acting on that show. Not saying Andi was acting when she was with Eric because I wasn’t there but she obviously did a 180 on him otherwise he wouldn’t have brought up the whole “acting” thing. At the end of the day, there is a show to make. Andi might not have liked what Eric said to her but it is what it is. There’s really no such thing as reality tv anymore. Mostly scripted to keep the audience watching and guessing (well not if you read steve’s blogs) but that’s just how the game goes. Btw thanks michelle00 for posting the article from today. Very touching and heartfelt. I feel for his family and they r in my prayers.

  13. nora j

    June 2, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    Okay I just watched the episode. I think the problem was Eric and Andi didn’t really have that romantic chemistry…for some reason they were stuck in friend zone…I think Eric felt frustrated by this but really it’s no one’s fault and I think both of them were being as open as they could be. I think when eric said she was acting he didn’t realize how offended she’d be by that. I kind of feel bad for Eric but I guess he should’ve been more careful with his choice of words. I think Andi kind of overreacted (as we’ve seen her do before with Juan Pablo). I think Andi is prob already paranoid that she has to be fake with some of the guys and lead them on..I mean that’s part of the show. Anyway I think Eric should’ve realized it wasn’t about being open, it was just about lack of romantic chemistry between the two of them..and Andi should’n’t have freaked out so much. It was kind of stupid way to end things between the two of them because neither one of them is a bad person.

  14. kata

    June 2, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    Another reminder why I don’t like this woman. She never allows anybody to question her without getting all defensive. She is used to being Daddy’s Princess. So passive aggressive. What does that say about her that the first time someone dares to point out one of her flaws she flips out and throws them out? Sure, Eric could have said it better… but she is still all drama. And she does act a lot. The Bachelorette or the Bachelor is not for those just wanting to be real. I just hope Josh never confronts her or that is over too.

  15. 10zen

    June 2, 2014 at 11:24 PM

    This episode made me think of Andi as the villain, not Eric. He was undoubtedly awkward in his approach, but her quick to anger reaction made me believe that Eric touched too closely to a particularly sensitive nerve of Andi’s. Rather than just calling a time out to allow the situation to defuse, she opted to use her power of rose bequeathing and just railed her frustrations out on him before insisting he leave (and then railing on the other poor sods in waiting).
    IMO, she went too far; actually, she came across a bit too hypocritical: remember her frustration in attempting to have a discussion with JP after their night together when he wouldn’t let her explain herself adequately? Her choice was to storm away in anger – under the circumstances, it felt refreshing, however, in retrospect, it appears that she has a bad habit, if not also revealing herself to be immature and spoiled.

  16. karynr

    June 3, 2014 at 5:58 AM

    Bfw….I’m really surprised at you! You’ve watched this show for years and I can’t believe you think Andi had any control over the tribute. You should know better. The lead doesn’t have control over stuff like that and never has!

    People always have to point the finger and play the blame game. Andi didn’t feel the connection, period, end of story. She didn’t do anything bad or wrong.

    How can someone in that position not act, at times? I think it would be close to impossible to be placed in that situation and not have to act occasionally.

  17. Athena

    June 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM

    Two people, both of who, in the perfect world of enough sleep (which I’m sure is lacking during the taping) and hindsight, could have done better in the communication dept., still doing the best they could at the time. No bad guy(s).

  18. rob22

    June 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM

    “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here”. Captain Renault, Casablanca

    “I’m shocked, shocked to find acting and phoniness going on here”. Eric, The Bachelorette

  19. sunday

    June 3, 2014 at 7:56 AM

    The whole Eric Hill situation is very sad. I, for one, was haunted by watching him in these past episodes. I couldn’t help thinking that if Andi hadn’t eliminated him, he would still be alive today. Perhaps my thoughts are a bit extreme, since Eric was undoubtedly a thrill seeking adventurer – therefore his death could have taken place during another place in time. This show is so off-the-wall when it comes to finding love – and yes, a certain amount of acting is required by both the Lead and the Contestants. I was honestly convinced that Eric was only on this show just to get another stamp in his passport, as well as a chance to plug his documentary so people would follow him on his adventures around the world. As for Andi, she quit her job to see if there would be any other offers after the show airs. The bottom line is that they’re all nuts in one way or another and some truly do believe that the grass is greener on the other side so they go on this show thinking that this is their big chance to catch their big break. I do feel that Andi’s defensiveness was a bit over-the-top in how she reacted to Eric questioning her sincerity in finding true love on this show. As for Eric – he expected more from Andi because of their one-on-one date. No one was really wrong here. When you mix true feelings with fantasy, there will always be drama and hurt feelings. RIP Eric.

  20. addicted2rs

    June 3, 2014 at 8:22 AM

    We weren’t there so we don’t know why he was accusing her of “acting”. Maybe it is because she basically has to treat all of the guys the same even though internally she would have varying feelings amongst the guys. He did specifically say he thought he would get a special hug or greeting because they had a great date, but he watched her hug all of the guys the same.

    I think Andi reacted poorly and perhaps Eric should have chosen different words when communicating, but it would seem wrong to be negative toward either.

    Let his memory live in peace.

    Thanks Michelle00 for the link to the article, I loved reading what his sister said. He was a very well loved man and he certainly lived his short life to the very fullest.

  21. karynr

    June 3, 2014 at 9:34 AM

    Thanks for the article, Michelle. My heart and condolences go out to his family. RIP Eric Hill.

  22. kristimichelley

    June 3, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    I think they really did they best they could given the circumstances. It’s obvious they were very different people. I don’t care whether you like Andi or not, she reacted and defended herself as anyone would. Eric’s death had nothing to do with her. This show is meant to entertain, and unfortunately they are dealing with a situation they’ve never had to deal with before.

  23. socialhermit

    June 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    I just have to say that Reality Steve is HILARIOUS. Seriously. he makes this boring, predictable show fun with his witty, blunt, creative, on-the-nose commentary. When this dumb show is finally off television, you will always have an audience because you’re writing is refreshingly humorous, honest, and creative. Sometimes, I prefer just reading your column instead of the show but it’s better to read them together. I appreciate your dry sense of humor and your unemotional detachment to these buffoons; I’m genuinely laughing out loud while reading your columns. Mike Fleiss SHOULD be paying you for enhancing is lame-o, manipulative show. Anyway, thanks!

  24. socialhermit

    June 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

    Oh and one more thing. It’s not even the spoilers that attract me to your site, it’s your writing!!!!! The spoilers have now become an added bonus/the frosting on the cupcake of you’re already hilarious dissecting of this soap opera disguised as a “reality” show. It’s an unreality reality show.

  25. realdeal

    June 4, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Andi is going for pure physical attraction, and Josh is “her type”. Josh doesn’t seem to have much substance compared to some of the other guys, but she’s already made up her mind of who she wants after the first episode and no guy has a shot.

    The cameras can’t hide that she’s not giving any of the other guys much of a chance. Eric called her out and she got flustered and upset. She’s got to have a final four and Marcus, Chris, and Nick fill those 3 slots.

    It’s clear who the front runners is and it’s Josh without a doubt. It makes you wonder if Josh and Andi were introduced and knew each other as acquaintenances before the show.

    How do Patrick and Andrew keep getting a rose as of Episode 4 when she seems to show no interest in either of them?

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