Reality Steve

The Bachelorette 10 - Andi

“Reader Emails,” & Fallout from the Finale

Do you think if Ari is selected to be the next Bachelor will it have a negative impact within the “bachelor family”. Will the chances decrease for the alumni of the franchise to watch this show/live tweet about it since he has dated/had encounters with a lot of them?

Comment: No. They don’t care who the lead is. As many as Arie has been with, it’s still a very small percentage of the overall amount of women who have been on this show.

Great job on nailing this season!! Love reading all of your spoilers and recaps. It makes watching the show so much better! Question- at the final rose ceremony when they are each giving their speeches, is someone in their ear telling them what to say? That is a lot to remember and not stumble over. I know they will do re-shoots to get it perfect.

Keep up the awesome work!!

Comment: No. I’m sure if there are major screwups they re-shoot it, but they can edit out any speech to make it look like it flowed perfectly.

1. Do you think they spared Nick the wrath of the men at the MTA knowing how heartbroken he was over Andi? No. Only one person who ever finished in the final 2 was at the Tell All show and that was Courtney for obvious reasons. As bad as Nick was, he wasn’t even in the same vicinity as Courtney.

2. Is it me or did Andi not seem to give a sh*t about Nick? She was hysterical over letting Chris go and barely cried over Nick and then refused to give him closure / flat out said she never loved him at all. Is it possible she realized he sucked from the other guys and just picked him to be the poor soul strung along to the F2 instead of someone nicer. Or did something happen we didn’t see that pissed her off? She was so COLD. Granted he showed his true colors with the whole sex comment but man was she unsympathetic.

Comment: People will debate this until the end of time over what Andi should have said, should have done, etc. Everybody gets broken up with on this show every single season except for the final person. Some are better than others. She gave him the reason she thought was best. I mean, she was crying when she was on the couch talking to him before she let him go. Was she not crying hard enough? Was her makeup not nearly messy enough? What’s good enough? There is no answer that’ll satisfy everybody. She said what she said. Some people were fine with it, some want more.

Wow. The main reason I just don’t get this show is I don’t understand how a relationship can thrive or even survive when Guy #1 knows that his girl slept with Guy #2 and sometimes even Guy #3 just before accepting his proposal. How can someone be okay with that, yet still invested enough to pursue marriage? I just don’t get it. Happens all the time. Josh and Andi have been asked about it in a few interviews since Monday and it’s in the past to them. They don’t care. It was 2 ½ months ago.

After watching ATFR, here are my questions. I hope you can answer them!

Do you know any behind-the-scenes info on Nick’s attempts to talk with Andi before the finale? Did you know that Nick had showed up at the Men Tell All? We saw tweets of him in LA that weekend, so he obviously was there. The thing about wanting to see her in Mexico was new. I’m still blown away by this guy pining over a girl who dumped him 2 ½ months ago, so I find the whole thing hard to believe. I mean, she was broken up with him longer than she actually knew him. Think about that for a second. That’s kinda ridiculous considering the way he acted since the show.

Did Josh already know what went on in the fantasy suite with Nick? I’m sure he did at some point. When? No idea.

During Nick’s segment in the ATFR, was Josh kept in a soundproof room or was he able to watch or hear what was going on? Usually they aren’t even watching the show in the green room, but it’s possible that’s changed.

Just wondering!

1. Why in the world was that cat there?!?! How much did they pay for that appearance? It didn’t even seem that grumpy. I honestly don’t know the Grumpy Cat phenomenon. I’ve seen it occasionally on Facebook and in articles, but never cared enough to follow up. Why? Because cats are dumb.

2. Did Chris H confess his love for Andi? No.

I can’t believe that Nick broke a very important Man Law! Never discuss making love with the Bachelorette on National TV after you lost! How embarrassing for Andi, not to mention Josh. Lost a lot of respect for Nick and I’ll bet he won’t be invited back to any Bachelor events in the future!

Comment: I’d say the audience is pretty divided at this point. Basically the ones who love Nick and hate Andi thought it was great. And vice versa.

Delighted to see your sources came through as usual. Disgusting how TPTB played Nick because of the video..shameless!

Comment: We have no idea if that’s what they did. Nor will we ever know. Pure speculation.

Hi, Reality Steve.

Long-time reader, but I had never written you before this season, and now it’s twice; go figure. Congrats on spoiling another season. I never had any doubt!

Forgive me if you answer some of these in your recap, but I’m writing before it is posted.

1) I’m assuming the Michelle Money question about announcing the bachelor was staged / planned, since everything seems to be on this show. Do you know? I’m sure it was.

2) Earlier, you said that you give Andi and Josh a better shot than other couples of making it. Do you still give them a better shot? Yes. The proximity factor is huge. Doesn’t guarantee anything, but it sure doesn’t hurt. No one has to pack up their life and move somewhere else. That’s kind of a big deal.

3) When Chris Harrison said “you all didn’t know THAT was coming” [after Andi dumped Nick], that felt like they were acknowledging you, and probably the closest they will ever come. Did you feel the same? Never thought that.

4) Do you think that Nick was prodded by a producer [as Nikki Ferrell tweeted] to say the making love line? Do you think most of their exchange was producer-driven or was it how Nick was feeling? Given the video you posted the day after, and how different Nick seemed from the others, it seemed real to me, but heaven knows you can’t think anything is real on this show. He claims no producer told him to do that and he never intended to bring it up.

5) Any news on the Arie vs. Chris for bachelor front? Do you have a preference on who will be more fun to write about? Professionally, Arie would be a better choice because he’d give me so much material based on all the women he’s been with. But I’d rather they chose Chris. I’ve said Chris since the day the spoilers came out, and I really think that’s who they’ll end up going with.

Keep up the good work!

Congrats on being right! That was actually the first thing I thought of when she picked Josh- thank you Reality Steve! I just watched some of MTA since I really didn’t care too much about that episode. I definitely was curious about the “live ultrasound.” I noticed even in the preview it showed the technician performing the ultrasound using his left hand! I am a sonographer and am left-handed but it was absolutely discouraged in training, even from a left-handed instructor. This show cracks me up- thanks for spoiling as always and for your clever reviews. You’re awesome!

Comment: Yeah, based on people I’ve talked to who have had children, they all laugh at the notion that was a live ultrasound.

Best after the final rose ever! Nick is my hero! Called out Andi and exposed her for the fake person she really is!

I’m sure Josh loves the fact that his fiancée slept with someone else a few nights before they got engaged. Let’s see how long this one lasts.

Hated Andi! So glad she got called out!

Comment: See what I mean?

Hi RS!

Big fan! Congrats on spoiling another season! Not sure how I ever watched the show without your spoilers and commentary. Brilliant and much more entertaining! I noticed back a while ago when you first posted the screenshot of Josh’s snapchat that he was communicating the most with Britty_baby2. From what I’ve read online (I know you can’t believe everything you read) but it says that it is Josh’s ex named Brittany Mccord. Have you heard anything about this? Or can you confirm it is her? Or why he’d be communicating with her more than andi after the engagement? She’s not his ex-girlfriend, never was his ex-girlfriend, and any site that ran that had no idea what they were talking about. She was a fan of the Murray’s, took pictures with both brothers, and essentially said the same thing in each picture. Yet other websites went crazy thinking that was Josh’s ex. It wasn’t.

Also, I really liked Andi until the finale and ATFR. It seemed like she was very cold when she let Nick go. I feel like he was fair in saying she led him on. And I know she has to make it look like she likes him a lot but I think she did too much. Especially knowing how much he loved her. And it confirmed my feeling when she told josh “I’ve loved you since I first laid eyes on you the first night.” Just seems as if she played Nick like a fool just for ratings. Sad.

Anyway, congrats again! Can’t wait until next season!

Comment: I don’t think she did it for ratings. I just don’t know how she’s supposed to act when she’s 2 ½ months into an engagement and the dude she dumped back at the beginning of May is essentially stalking her. She obviously didn’t want to be there, she acted like she didn’t want to be on stage with him, and why would she? The whole scene was just awkward. Every ATFR show in the history of this franchise (except for Ben’s since they never brought Lindzi out) had the final 2 confront the lead. But never had the final 2 person been has hung up on them as Nick was. It was the makings of a disaster from the get go. Nothing she said up on stage was going to appease Nick or the Nick fans. Their favorite got dumped so they’re taking it out on Andi.


Great job again this season. The emails of hate are hilarious, people really need to get a life. Can’t wait to read the spoliers for next season.

Keep up the good work!!

Comment: Yes, they are very funny. Hence the reason I posted them. People need to see how maniacal and completely out of touch with reality some people are. Not just because they didn’t believe the spoilers. But their reasoning behind why they didn’t. That makes it worse.

Hey Steve, just a quick comment on what I think happened to make Nick all the sudden clam up on the ATFR ceremony. My guess is producers had him watching the finale just like everyone else so he could mentally be right back in that place, when Andi dumped him and got engaged to Josh. The problem is he never saw the proposal and Andi’s seemingly “about face” at the end in choosing Josh. I knew from you the ending all along but honestly the producers did a good job of making viewers believe Nick was the one. I was even saying as I watched her dump nick, wow it makes no sense. But once she got engaged to Josh, I think for the first time we really saw the “love” or “lust” or what have you between her and Josh. So Nick, as well, finally saw it too right before he was put on stage to face her. At that point he was defeated mentally, he saw there was no chance of winning her back and realized he’d been played all along. So maybe given more time, he would of had more to say, but since he just saw it himself, he was blindsided. I was actually expecting him to say, it didn’t make sense ALL season until the finale. Also I think his comment about her making love to him actually came from him really wanting to understand what the hell happened. Anyway, thanks for your amazing blog, I never doubted you for a minute, I can see how Nick thought it was him though.

Comment: Nick clearly thought it was him or else he wouldn’t have been moping around Milwaukee for the last 2 ½ months and trying to reach Andi as many times as he did. Doesn’t mean he had to bring up sex in the fantasy suite. Yes, it was sex. You didn’t make love to someone you barely knew.

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  1. sammydaave

    July 31, 2014 at 7:00 AM

    Hi Steve, can you elaborate on what you said about Nikki getting special treatment by producers? This is the first time I’ve heard that mentioned. Also, any thoughts on Nick being considered for Bachelor? You mentioned Arie and Chris are working with PTs already. What about Chris? This is most attention paid to #2 in a while.

  2. jessicat

    July 31, 2014 at 8:08 AM

    Regarding Jimmy Kimmel’s “predictions”: I don’t believe ABC would fill him in if Steve posted incorrect spoilers. Looking back to Desiree’s season, Jimmy “predicted” that Brooks was the winner, which was in line with Steve’s erroneous spoiler.

  3. goosiegirl

    July 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    I wish people would realize that there is absolutely no way Andi could have met with Nick in private. She was still contractually obligated to the show. Also, why would she? She is engaged to another man. Any private meeting with a man she had previously been intimate with, whether emotionally or physically, is not respectful to her current relationship.

  4. tia89

    July 31, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    If Andi didn’t want anyone to know she had sex with Nick, she shouldn’t have gone there…problem solved.

  5. adriegirl2

    July 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    steve, sorry but why would the producers do all that extra for Nikki . Are you saying that she was the “winner” from the start? And if so, did JP just tell the producers this and that was it?

  6. maddie86

    July 31, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    I do agree with Steve that she can sleep with whomever she pleases; however, Nick clearly didn’t see it as just sex, it was deeper and more meaningful. So he shouldn’t have been public about it but he truly cared for the girl and I don’t think he intended to embarrass her. My friend made a post about it:

  7. JovisMom

    July 31, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    I just wanted to say that I started Courtney’s book last night. It is a RIOT!!!! Anyone on the fence about it just read it! I

  8. penguinfan01

    July 31, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    I am thinking that Nick has some serious problems he needs to deal with. He was stalking Andi, pining away for her, acts like he can’t deal with life, and deliberately hurt her with his words. We haven’t seen this from any number 2 yet in this shows history, even from the crazy girls they have had on in the past. I think he’s a little bit psycho. I hope he gets the help he needs before he destroys himself. This does not seem normal to me.

  9. Athena

    July 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    @penguinfan01, Good point about Nick being the only contestant we know of that pined for 2.5 months after the finale when not being chosen. On the basis of what we’ve seen before it’s definitely not in the range of what appears to be usual/normal. Just a couple of thoughts about that: 1) while he has pined publicly, he may or may not be the only one who has felt heartbroken and confused. and 2) can we really use the word “normal” for anything related to this show? I’m not ready to slap a label on him or to support anyone else doing so based on what we’ve seen to date. He admitted he takes rejection hard. You could certainly be right about it being a red flag but he could just be a person who wears his heart on his sleeve.

    About Andi and the two “rejection” interactions between them – what I’m curious about is why she clearly seemed so detached during both of them. I just can’t help wondering (obviously I’m guilty of reading into stuff too) what may have happened between them from the time of their hometown date to the final scene in the D.R. Doesn’t it just seem like something really changed for her? Either in terms of her feelings (friendship or otherwise), or something about Josh that just closed her off to anyone else… That’s the most perplexing thing about all of this to me. Her sending him home and how she responded to him on the show just seemed “off” in comparison to how she handled all the other send-offs.

    What do others think?

  10. angelfish

    July 31, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    While I really like Chris, I totally agree with Steve that Arie as Bachelor would be TV gold!

    Can you imagine all the girls they cast being convinced that they could “change” his horn dog ways? That all he really needs is the love of a good woman, and he’ll change! Really, he will! He just needs REAL love and compassion, and understanding and someone to listen to him, to hold him, to cry with him, who lets him be vulnerable, and….and….and….

    Ahhh hahahahah!!!!!

    Seriously, the ladies will be lining up to prove that THEY have what it takes. We ALL know women like that, and I guarantee that the producers can easily find 25 women desperate to prove it on National TV.

    If it’s Arie, it’s gonna be a hell of a ride, and I can’t wait!!!

  11. rob22

    July 31, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    There was another similar situation as Nick outing Andi. In Jessie Palmers season, Tara Huckeby finished second, and accused Jessie of “inappropriate behavior” in the fantasy suite. I may be confusing her with someone else, but I think she also said something like “things were said….things were done”. If it wasn’t Tara, it was someone else in another season, but I’m pretty sure it was her. So, now role reversal. Yes, Jessie like Andi, had a right to sleep with her if he wanted. But Jessie pretty unanimously was viewed as a creep for taking advantage of Tara’s feelings for him. It’s kind of amazing that it’s so split on Andi. I guess guys are just supposed to tough it out and be happy that the girl gave it up? RS loves to talk about double standards…. But apparently not in this case.

  12. tinalee

    July 31, 2014 at 11:50 PM

    Wasn’t it Andi herself that talked about spending the night with Juan Pablo in the fantasy suite and how he treated her poorly afterwards? She had no problem talking about it on national tv. Why is everyone giving Nick such a hard time? He didn’t say it in a disrespectful way.

  13. oyoung1117

    August 1, 2014 at 8:53 AM

    I hate when RS acts like he simply doesn’t care enough to analyze a situation that is what everyone is analyzing right now about this franchise considering how he makes his living. It just seems so pretentious and lazy.
    Also, does anyone else notice he has always really had it out for Nikki? And after that big rant on her hypocrisy over the producers I feel like he tipped his hand a bit on his sources.
    As for Andi and Nick. I agree with Nick, should he have said it? Maybe it wasn’t especially gentlemanly but she was treating him so coldly I can understand why he might have had a “screw you” moment and just decide to quit dancing around the subject that had truly hurt him and just call her out on it. Most likely in the fantasy suite they did and said things that made him feel like it was love.
    I get that sex is “private” but after putting your entire dating life in front of the world to see, complete with lots of groping and kissing and the fantasy suite, c’mon did it really ruin her life that he shared that on any level. We all knew already, ya know? There is no virtue in decorum for the sake of decorum.
    Maybe it is just because I don’t care for Andi, I did at the start of her season, but starting with the night when she freaked out on all of them for one guys drunken behavior, then the whole Eric Hill situation, and several other occasions when you can tell she can’t handle being treated like anything other than a goddess and won’t stand for being called out on anything other, I sort of was glad Nick just did it.

  14. Sunnyside422

    August 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Amen to the comments above!

    I wish Andi would just stop trying to be this little sweetheart princess. This woman has an iron will and poor wussy Josh will see plenty of her pouty face.

    I just don’t care who the next bachelor is. Chris seems nice enough at this time. Arie seems smarmy but probably watching various vapid women trying to get into his pants could be entertaining. We shall see if smarmy or nice win out.

  15. angelfish

    August 1, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    Andi got upset with Juan Pablo because:
    1. He never asked her anything about herself in the Fantasy Suite. Andi CONSTANTLY asked Nick about himself = Not the same.
    2. JP told Andi about his time in the Fantasy Suite with the other women. Andi NEVER said a word to Nick about any of the other guys = Not the same.
    3. Andi left and NEVER attempted to contact JP again, for any reason. She never asked him for any “closure” or tried to talk him out of anything. Nick repeatedly tried to contact Andi, tried to talk her out of letting him go and DEMANDED “closure” = Not the same.

    How anybody could even remotely connect Andi’s situation with JP to her situation with Nick is mind-boggling unbelievable.

  16. mush

    August 1, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    the producers gave nikki special treatment just to create drama in the house. they wanted to make her feel cocky and have it affect the other girls. it worked.
    the only possible problem with chris is if he’s selling his soy beans to Monsanto. could be controversy. anyone know if he is? then again, maybe no one will care.

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