Love your site, I’ve been reading for years and look more forward to reading your columns than I do watching the actual show :).
Sorry if this has already been asked and I’ve missed it but is there going to be an after paradise show? I would love for Jonathan and Mikey to get a chance to confront Joe on all his scheming and crap he said behind their backs. Especially Jonathan, the way Joe manipulated him was hard to watch. I don’t think we need that to happen. They already force fed Juelia to us and he apologized, and she still kept digging. He was asked about Jonathan and Mikey and gave his response which I thought was good enough at that point. Plus, I doubt those guys really even care anymore.
Also you have said that Tenley won’t be on Ben’s season of the bachelor but do you know if that’s because she doesn’t want to or because producers won’t let her? She doesn’t want to be on the show. Tenley is very image conscious to say the least.
Off topic but as a 90210 fan myself I do agree with you that the college years with Valarie were much better than the high school years, although I enjoyed them as well. I think you should have a 90210 quiz for sh*ts and giggles since you remember a lot about the show, I think that would be fun. No prize for the winner, just for fun. Maybe in your down time with paradise ending soon you could? People could e mail you their answers (lol now that wouldn’t create an e mail explosion in your inbox).
Anyways, keep on doing what you do!
Comment: The only problem with that is anyone can find any answer they want about pretty much everything by Googling it. So doing any sort of quiz like that would be counter productive. It’d have to be done how I did my “Bachelor” quiz at my birthday party, where everyone is there live and have to answer right away without looking at phones. That’d really be the only way to truly test someone’s knowledge of not only 90210, but anything. Google would essentially have every answer.
I am a long time reader and wanted to thank you for all of your work. I really enjoy your weekly blogs and video chats. You have been keeping me entertained for several years – since well before Jason’s season. Thanks again for all that you do.
I have a few questions for you for the Thursday column:
1) How many ITMs does a contestant do in one day? How long does a typical ITM last? A lot and they vary. All depends on what the producer needs. I’ve heard some are real quick, and I’ve heard some last til the wee hours of the morning and they won’t let you sleep until you tell them what they want. So most oblige because they just want to go to bed.
2) The information you shared concerning travel during Kaitlyn’s season and the deal with Patagonia falling through makes a lot of sense. How often are the travel plans and dates planned on the fly? Or does the show have a lot of back-up plans in case something falls through? I don’t think anything is done on the fly. This stuff is pre-planned in advance. I have no idea over 30 seasons how many times locations have fallen through like Patagonia did, but I would venture to guess you could probably count on one hand.
3) Similarly, I’m curious about the how travel arrangements work for the show. Do the airlines hold a bunch of tickets for the show since the show doesn’t know or cannot share the names of who will be flying when the tickets are booked? I believe so. A lot of nameless tickets are booked then just added later.
4) Have you ever heard of any contestants getting into problems at customs? No. But doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. I’ve just never heard one way or the other.
5) Are all contestants required to get certain vaccinations before a season starts in case they travel to exotic locations? For example for Ben F’s season were all contestants required to get the Yellow Fever vaccine in case they made it to Belize? I’m sure they did.
You have suggested in the past that the producers were not big fans of Ben F. It seemed like his season did pretty well with all of the attention surrounding Courtney. Can you share any more insight?
Comment: I was told Mike Fleiss wasn’t a fan of Ben at all and was trashing him after the season. I don’t remember his ratings. It’s not like he killed the franchise or anything, but Fleiss for whatever reason just didn’t think he was a good “Bachelor.”
Though you might find this interesting. It’s a quiz to see which “Unreal” character you are. Which UnREAL Character Are You Really? I’ll take that sometime. Although I can’t imagine which one of them I could possibly be similar to. Jeremy would be the only one.
I’ve been watching BIP2 with some of my friends, and our biggest question is why aren’t they showing more of the dates or the couples? Jade & Tanner are supposed to be engaged by the end of this, yet we see my 5 seconds of their relationship basically one of the two episodes per week. With 3 hours of the week dedicated to BIP2 it’s a little strange that about 10% of the show is the actual dates and relationships.
I know it’s not really about love and that this is all showmance and fame, but you ABC would be trying a little harder for all the saps out there!
What do you think?
Comment: I think you answered your own questions. Because this show isn’t about love. The dates where things are going great are boring to watch. Would much rather see uncomfortable awkwardness on dates, or Ashley S. getting blasted on tequila and spewing nonsense. Much more entertaining.
Hi do you know what the deal is with Mikey being brought back? Did he never go him? Did they fly him in last minute via private jet?
Comment: Heard he had basically just landed back in Chicago when they asked him to come back.
How old is Nick peterson? I saw that samantha is 28 and I’m guessing he is around her age or older. Nick is 30.
I know you said they were still dating, but was wondering if you think they will last or if it’s just for more fame? I’m having a hard time believing anything Samantha is doing on this show is for anything other than attention. Which is fine. Just admit it.
Do you think samantha or Joe is the bigger villian? Joe because of how many nasty things he did and said on the show. Samantha isn’t a saint, but her edit just shows her being shady. Not a rude, cruel, jerk off like they made Joe out to be.
Who was Ashley talking to when she was “talking” to the bird? Did she have something in her ear and a producer was talking to her because it looked like she really was talking about his ” fruits” lol that actually was funny but it’s obvious she wasn’t talking to the bird. Absolutely it was a producer.
Did samantha really do what we all that she did in the hot tub? It seemed pretty real with Joe telling her to not stop and leaning his head and arms back. Eew! What else could it have been? Do u know if that was editing or more? There aren’t many different things it could’ve been. It’s not like she put her head underwater between his legs or anything. Only a few people know for sure what happened, but I don’t think you need a crazy sense of imagination to figure it out.
Love your spoilers! Fan for years now!
I’m totally confused about the timing of this season’s Bachelorette and BIP filming schedule. My assumption is that no one actually saw the Bachelorette that was on BIP right? Bc no one seemed to have any biases to the cast. (People liked JJ!) So can you tell me when filming stopped and started for both. And then refresh my memory on the airing dates of everything? Was After the Final Rose filmed after BIP was done? Did they fly everyone in? But they already had previews so I guess they didn’t?! Thank you for shedding light on this!
Comment: Filming for BIP started Thursday, June 4th and ended June 24th. Kaitlyn’s season aired from May 18th to July 27th. Most of the original BIP cast was out there a few days before the 4th. Kaitlyn’s season began May 18th, so the cast that started the season defintely saw the first 2 episodes of Kaitlyn’s season, maybe 3. Depends on if they saw that Monday, June 3rd episode.
BIP was done taping on June 24th. Kaitlyn’s MTA taped July 11th, and the ATFR was live on July 27th.
Samantha is the absolute perfect person to have on BIP. Does any one person more fully encapsulate this franchise?
She’s shallow, disloyal, mean, and incredibly selfish. She trucks people’s feelings all day long without batting an eyelash, and then expects to kick dumb-as-a-brick Kentucky Fried Joe to the curb, letting him take all the blame for a situation she entirely manipulated, and then rejoin the group and be back with the cool kids. In other words, she’s a very, very bad person.
But holy hell she’s really hot. And she knows it. And the BIP producers know it. In fact, both her personal awfulness (Nick too? Wow) and her obvious sexiness (good lord, that bikini shot was mesmerizing) are an absurd thing to be watching. I can’t even pretend that there is something redeemable about Samantha, or that I think there ever realistically could be. I just want to watch her cause she’s, what’d Nick call her—a “smoke show”. So, in other words, BIP reveals my own shallowness to me. Great. Maybe I’ll change my viewing habits and watch the news—only to see the Celebrity Apprentice guy as a leading candidate for president. Now I feel better—the whole damn country is apparently not much deeper, given its willingness to have a reality star as a serious candidate for the most important and powerful job in the world.
Sad to say, but Juelia fits the category well too. Watching her getting all weepy at the rose ceremony, acting like her tenure on this ridiculous show was her one big chance in life, and watching person after person “pulling for her to stay” in their ITMs was an outright embarrassment. Woman, go home and raise your kid. Remember, this show is made for the Samanthas of the world.
Oh wait, wait…Mikey T is coming back for Juelia, and suddenly, magically, mystically, even though Juelia had no use for him while Muscleman was there the last time, he’s been transformed into her Great Lost Love! And as for Mikey, even though he spent most of his time hopping around Clare, hoping she’d throw a protein bar his way, Juelia has become his big “Chance At Love” too! Oh for —- sake, nevermind Juelia. I obviously had more respect for you than you had for yourself. I was wrong! You’re qualified for this franchise, and you should stay!
Feeling a little disoriented here.
Comment: Can’t say I disagree with any of that.
Hi Steve – I have been reading your posts ever since my mother told me that Jake Pavelka was going to pick Vienna and I couldn’t believe it – who is this reality steve I said???? I have been watching BIP and I finally realized what really bugged me about Samantha Steffen. Her hair is just way too long. Even before this, I was asking my hair stylist about what length of hair was just creepy and we were talking about that very unhip way too long hair thing. my new name for Samantha is Crystal Gayle. no offense intended for Crystal but both of them have that way too long hair thing going on.
I think that she thinks her “beautiful” hair is an asset but just get it cut! Everything about this woman screams “I need attention”. I’ve been watching for many years and I’ve never felt the EEEWWW factor as I have with samantha and her freakin ridiculous hair. I would take Ashley I’s crying before the yuck factor of this jet black way too long hair.
Am I way out there in my thinking?
Comment: The last thing I’ve thought negatively about Samantha was the length of her hair. Must be a chick thing.
I just finished watching my first “After Paradise”. Before watching After Paradise, I disliked Joe a lot. Once I saw that he owned up to his mistakes, I have a lot more respect for him. I can fully understand someone having tunnel vision if they thought they had a connection with someone prior to the show.
I thought it was a Cheap Shot of the show to bring on Julia after Joe had already apologized and explained himself. I AGREED with the older caller who said that Julia needs to grow up and move on. When you look back at the episode when the two of them got together, Joe didn’t even ask her out. From what I remember he said “Does anyone want to go horse riding with me?” and Julia jumped up and said she wanted to go. Then throughout the date, it was clear Joe was luke warm about Julia, but Julia interpreted everything as though he was “into” her, which clearly wasn’t the case.
I completely agree with your post last week where you said a person with a child should not get any preference on these shows. THEY are the ones who have made a decision to leave their child for this. I’m getting tired of all of this stuff where people say that they have to treat Julia differently than the others. I thought the caller was right on about Julia. I don’t exactly remember what she said, but the message I heard was… She’s an adult. She needs to own her decisions and stop crying about it.
Anyway… just my take.
Oh and the Nick thing was very cheesy. I live on the West Coast so I already knew who the Bachelor was going to be. The Nick talk was really, really stupid in my opinion.
Comment: Can’t say I disagree with much of this email either. I’ve given my thoughts on the “single mom” thing, as well as Joe’s apology.
I’m curious to confirm my thoughts of Sunday’s episode. The whole Juelia drama seems to continue to escalate. I feel like her “favor” to Chris H. was something that had to be producer driven. I don’t see her asking to bring Mikey back on her own. I felt it comical the way the whole thing was set up for her to interrupt Chris to ask him to find out if Mikey would want to give it another go. Even if it were her idea am I right to believe that Chris H. is a talking mouthpiece? Like he can’t make that type of decision for the show correct? Everything has to be approved through the puppet masters of the show? Mikey never went home right? I don’t believe he went all the way home and then came back did he? Just keep in mind this is a TV show. Will probably answer most of your questions. But no, Mikey did go home and wasn’t home more than a few hours before they called him back.
The whole Sunday episode was too much! The way they made JJ go out like he was an American Hero saving Ashley so Nick would have someone to pair up with to fuel the drama with the Joe/ Samantha storyline. Ugh! I don’t dislike Juelia by any means but for her to sit there and plug herself as a great catch irritated me so much. I don’t get how someone leaves their 2 year old to try and find love this way. I mean wouldn’t it be better for her to try dating websites and be close to her daughter? I get it money talks but it’s annoying how they continue to make her the victim of the show! People F each other over all the time in real life, it sucks it happened to her on national TV but it happens! Sorry…on to another topic. Yeah, and the money they make for this show isn’t money you’re retiring off of. Some people just love the attention and the adoration on social media. In fact, addicted would be a better word for it. I don’t get it, but I know it plays a major role in their decisions.
Tanner/Jade date where he asks her to be his girlfriend what’s your thought on that? On the date? Or him asking her to be his girlfriend? I don’t know. Guess I really haven’t thought about it at all since we know the outcome of those two.
I just finished UnReal and I did like the show. I have a question about the Mary suicide note. It was planted? No one ever said it outright but from my conclusions when the note was read I felt it was a fake. It cleared the show from every wrong doing and it was just too convenient. Did Mary’s sister know it was fake? I felt like she did but was trying to protect her niece so used it to her benefit. Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention during that episode and missed something?
Thanks for the spoilers and keeping it real.
Comment: Yeah, you missed it. Rachel wrote the note and the sister went along with it to gain sympathy.
Did you see Lifetime is airing in October unauthorized movies on 90210 & Melrose Place.
I just watched the one they made on Full House. I never really watched that show but there were a lot of interesting things I didn’t know behind the scenes that happened. They have look alike-ish actors playing the parts.
Looking forward to the 90210 & Melrose Place ones as they were two of my favorite shows ever! I know you loved 90210 as well so just wanted to let you know.
Comment: I saw the one they did on “Saved by the Bell” and it wasn’t great. I have zero interest in watching the others.