So before we move on to the next story that happened, I just kind of want to go back to your TV show of what is your shooting schedule with this?
I mean, I hear about TV shows all the time where it’s like, There’s obviously, I don’t even know how many episodes you guys produce because it’s one of the, it’s a syndicated show. So it’s, it’s airing everywhere at different times. What is your shooting schedule for this show? How many episodes are running in a given calendar year?
So it’s, we’re direct to syndication. We, I think we have about 180 new episodes a year. It’s, we’re on every day. And in most markets we’re on for an hour and the first half hour is a new episode and the second half hour is a repeat. So our shooting schedule, we shoot approximately 30 days a year. We were shooting today as a matter of fact, and we shoot kind of in two or three day blocks.
And we do seven or eight cases a day when we shoot. And they’re long days. I mean, I ran from shooting to here. It’s a long day. We spend much more time on each case than you see. So 30 times, you know, about seven on average is about 210. Some of the episodes are two cases if they’re very simple. And then every once in a while there’s a case we can’t use for one reason or another.
So it ends up in about 180, 190 episodes a year. And it’s a pretty relaxed shooting schedule. It’s 30 days a year, you know, two or three days at a time, which is the reason I also have a full time law practice.
I was going to say, it’s only 30 days a year for this show. You had 180 episodes and you’re like, wait, wait a second.
So what do you do for the other 11 months out of the year? And you say you have your law practice,
right? Yeah. I have three kids, a law practice. I mean, I have, yeah, one, one, too many jobs somewhere, but you know, I love them all, so. For now I’m doing all
of that. And what, what are your kids ages?
I have a nine year old, a seven year old and a two year old.
Okay.
So,
you know, you’re getting into whatever the sports gymnastics, I mean, games on the weekends and stuff like that.
My nine year old plays baseball and now water polo, which is, oh boy. And then my seven year old who’s a girl does musical theater and dance. And then we’ll see what the two year old does.
Right now it’s terrorize us, but
you know,
eventually he’ll do something. So yeah, sports or, you know, Theater on the weekends. And I have a spreadsheet to try to keep track of where everyone needs to be after school.
So, okay, moving on this story with Devin happens last Monday when I broke it. And then two days later, Jones season starts airing.
And then a story breaks end of last week that one of Jones contestants had a restraining order taken out against him. Now I said this on my podcast yesterday. So for people that are, you know, that missed it, and I think you and I kind of discussed this offline. Again, I don’t want to diminish this woman who filed a restraining order against Gil but I don’t want to say they’re two completely separate cases, but I, or situations, but they almost kind of are because of the timing with Devin, Devin had probably a month or two of going through a process to be a contestant on this show.
And he had a restraining order seven years ago on his record, whether they found it or not, we both under the agreement, they probably should have at some point found that
probably
with Gil. His restraining order, for those that aren’t familiar, was filed by a woman on June 11th of this year, and he left for filming days later.
I don’t know the exact day filming started, but I think it was right around the 24th. So there were maybe seven days in, or excuse me, 13 days. So two weeks in there, and they had pretty much already completed their background checks of Jones men. A restraining order is filed. And look, I’m the last person that’s going to make excuses.
And for this show and say, Hey, don’t be so hard on them, but I’m sorry. I believe them when they say our background checks were already done. He left days later after this restraining order was filed. And I just don’t think, I don’t think the show works with us. You know, they had 24 men on Jones season.
This was filed June 11th. They have their roster set to go. Let’s say they left on the 19th or the 20th. I don’t think on June 12th, they go, okay, let’s go down the list of 24 men. Has any of them been filed on any of the 24 men? Okay. June 13th. Has any of them been filed on the 44? Devin, seven years ago, you had plenty of time to go find that this.
I’m sorry. I can’t put this on the show, not diminishing what this woman filed against him. She obviously felt harassed and stalked by him, but. Unfortunately, I think we have to chalk this one up to just bad timing for the show. I mean, it just came out right after the Devon stuff.
I agree with you. I think, you know, you cannot be doing a check every single day up until filming begins.
I mean, what if she had filmed, what if she had filed it the day before and it didn’t make it into the system until after he’d already begun the show? I mean, you can’t really expect that level of search. On the other hand, all you had to do was type his name into the LA County database. And you would have found that, but you know, it’s still tough, right?
It’s, I think at some point you got to draw a line and your background check is done. And if it’s a week before filming and something happens in that week, you chalk it up to bad timing.
Yeah. And, and like we said with Devin, Devin was clearly dishonest or downplayed whatever happened back in college. He downplayed that temporary restraining order with Gil.
I’m sure they asked him the same thing. I ask everybody, is there anything that can get out with Gil, as I explained in my podcast, he wasn’t served his papers until August. So he didn’t even know a restraining order was taken out against him from June 11th to whenever he left for filming. So he couldn’t even tell them who can’t, we can’t accuse him of what we’re accusing Devin of, of, Hey man, You weren’t honest or you downplayed it or you flat out lied.
Gil didn’t even know he didn’t get the paperwork until August 11th. I have video of him receiving the paperwork because he evaded. Apparently he, he evaded a processor for a while. Wasn’t opening his door. And this was after he got back from filming, not saying before, because this is what the daughter told me that they tried.
And because he’s a a school teacher. He’s actually an athletic director at a high school in orange County. He wasn’t in school, so they had to like try and find out where he might’ve been and he was never answering his door. And then I guess the original TRO, the time ran out. Cause you said it’s a, you know, 21 days, 25 days, whatever that ran out.
So they had to refile. And then the daughter said we were so sick of him evading and we couldn’t get him this paperwork. And she told me my boyfriend and I knew where he was doing yoga in a park one day And I had my boyfriend serve him why I filmed it and she sent me the video of her boyfriend handing gil the papers At a yoga in a park one day and that was in and I asked her when did this happen?
When what date was this and she told me august 11th, or maybe 17th, but it was in august So he didn’t even know, that he had gotten a restraining order against him until august 11th or 17th, which was Months after he had returned from filming again,
he wasn’t as honest. I mean, so the, what happened with Gil was they filed for a restraining order.
The temporary order was granted. They came back after the 21 or 25 days and said, we weren’t able to serve him. So they extended it for another 21 or 25 days. Again, very common. And it’s, it’s also very common to not be able to serve someone, you know, it’s, you don’t want to, especially with a restraining order, let them know you’re coming.
So you’ve really got to find it. A time where you know where they’re going to be, because a lot of people are not just going to open the door for somebody knocking, holding papers, or knocking and not telling you why they’re knocking. So, after this, after it was renewed, she went back to court, and there was actually a hearing.
The judge put her under oath. and determined that they weren’t going to extend the temporary order again. They were going to dismiss the temporary order, but without prejudice, obviously. They weren’t telling her, we’re not going to, you know, ever issue you a permanent order, but we’re going to get rid of this for lack of ability to serve him.
Then she filed another one. She just filed the same restraining order, and it was actually denied on a temporary basis, which is really interesting. Because at that point, the judge who denied her temporary order was the same judge at the hearing who said I’m going to dismiss this for lack of service. So he’d already kind of met this person and she’d already testified before him and he declined to order it on a temporary basis.
Now that could be any number of reasons, including because maybe she said he’s off filming a show and the judge thought there was no risk the second time. Who knows? But now we’re waiting. Now he’s been served, and now they have their hearing on the request for a permanent order. Set for I think october
and so is so that the request for hearing is so the first one was filed It was given an extension and the second extension was denied So she refiled but you said it was denied So where how are we having a hearing if her most recent one was denied
good question.
So in california Regardless of whether your temporary order is granted or not, you are given the opportunity to come to court to seek a permanent order.
Oh, okay.
So it doesn’t matter. The court date is set automatically, either way. In this particular instance, what happened was they denied it. They set their 21 to 25 day date.
Everybody showed up on that date, including Gil, with a lawyer, and apparently everybody decided they want to proceed with this hearing, right? Gil doesn’t want to, you know, stipulate to a stay away order. Maybe she doesn’t want to stipulate to one either. She doesn’t want to let it go. So there’s still no temporary order in place.
But now the judge has said, okay, you both want a hearing, you get a hearing. We’re not going to do it today because probably nobody’s ready. You know, Gil just probably got a lawyer. He wants a little bit more time. He’s entitled by law to a little more time. And so we’re going to set a hearing date and it’s basically a trial.
And the judge made the standard kind of orders. You got to disclose your witnesses, exchange evidence, and come back for a trial. And, you know, that one’s in California. And that one’s in my kind of home. So these are, you know, the file, the forms they filed are the ones I see every day. Very standard stuff so far.
The only interesting thing is, If you remember the standard for getting a temporary order, it’s basically if everything you say is true, can you get an order on a permanent basis? And this judge apparently said no to her restraining order the second time, which isn’t fatal. It happens that people who don’t get a temporary order are given a permanent order.
But it’s interesting because what the judge has in effect said is, even if I believe everything you say, you don’t have grounds for a restraining order. So it may be that there’s more that she wants to tell us. There’s, it may be that there’s a backstory that just doesn’t easily fit into a form. I don’t know.
But she’s, I guess, serious enough about this that she’s going to pursue the permanent order, even having not been given a temporary order the second time. Which is an uphill battle for sure.
So the video I have of the daughter’s boyfriend serving him paperwork. That’s the restraining order, the original one, right?
So he does have, he has been served. What has he been, that’s the temporary
restraining order? So he was served with her application for a restraining order. The second one, that first temporary restraining order is gone.
Gone.
That expired. It was dismissed by the judge, but it wasn’t dismissed because the allegations were false or because he didn’t believe her.
It was dismissed because she failed to serve him. And due process prevents the judge from issuing a permanent order without the other party having noticed that it’s happening. So, what happens in California and in Los Angeles. is you file your paperwork. The court decides temporary order or no temporary order.
And then you have that whole packet of paperwork. And then you have to serve the person if you want to have a hearing for a permanent order. And that is true even if you didn’t get a temporary order issue. So now he knows what her allegations are. He knows what she’s seeking. He has due process. And now he gets to go for a hearing, which is his notice and an opportunity to be heard.
So I guess we will just wait to see you know, this is just a story where it’s like, okay, it’s out there. We know that our woman is accusing him of just, I guess, constant harassment, phone calls, emails, showing up to places that she was at. That’s what the stuff that I have read. I don’t know if when you went into the details of this and looked at it, did you see anything that was, Oh, wow.
This is. It’s bad. I mean, it’s all bad. Obviously, he, he harassed her in some way, but I didn’t read everything. You did. What did you see in there? What did you notice?
You kind of summed it up. I think there were, there were a lot of allegations about being at public places at the same time, which are taught, which are always tough when you live in the same place.
There were certainly a couple of allegations about repeated phone calls on a couple of occasions. It’s not okay to call someone 24 times in one day, no matter why you’re trying to get a hold of them, you know, unless there’s some extenuating circumstance. There also weren’t any records of the communications.
Normally that’s the easiest thing to prove is you slap on, you know, your call log showing 24 missed calls or showing a hundred non responded to text messages, right? There’s no reason to text someone a hundred times when they don’t respond to you the first 99.
Yeah.
There wasn’t much of that. But she filed the papers herself.
So it could just be that she didn’t gather her evidence in time, and that’s what she’s doing now. It’s definitely not the most outrageous set of facts I’ve ever heard, or anywhere close. But it, there, the details are missing. Because these forms that you fill out to kind of describe them are very short, and That’s kind of what the hearing is for is to fill in the blanks.
You know, why are these repeated phone calls a problem? Why do they keep happening? Things like that. And it’s a, it’s an open, it’s a public courtroom. So maybe someone will go in and listen. Who knows?
You have a message.
I know. Or if something, you know,
Okay. I, that, that was interesting stuff about Gil.
And like I said, it’s just one of these things where. Really horrible timing because it literally broke four days after I broke the Devon story. It’s just like, this show just probably didn’t need as much they already had enough bad publicity with the Devon stuff, it was picked up by everybody and now all of a sudden, the Gil stuff is plastered everywhere.
But, I, I hope that people understand, we are not defending the show, we are not saying, We’re not making excuses for the show, but this is a very different situation. They did honestly did not know about this. And unless they literally checked every day from June 11th until whenever Gil appeared on the show, they wouldn’t have known.
And you can’t expect any television show to be like, all right, We got 24 contestants coming on the show. They’re coming here on June 20th. Let’s check every day if anything’s been filed in the LA court, it’s just like Because not everybody on the on jones season is from LA. So what are you gonna do go to 25 different districts?
Of
course and this is one that very easily could have been missed in a background check not only because of the timing But because if it was really just being processed Maybe the form didn’t go into the correct system yet, you know, and so even if they had run a background check closer in time, it still might not have processed this.
And yeah, you can’t really expect them to go searching his name in every jurisdiction in Los Angeles or in California to make sure there wasn’t a restraining order filed on any given day between now and I would say the time he’s off the show,
right? What did
we find in the middle of the show? You know, I mean, it’s, it’s not defending them.
This one was a little bit more.
Yeah. This has been such a great talk and I’m so glad I got in touch with you. Cause I feel like I can go to you with any sort of legal stuff that now comes up in my world. The one thing, and it’s, it’s crazy that you reached out to me about this, but the one thing that happened in this bachelor nation world, that’s literally been going on for over a year now is the Clayton Eckert situation.
And obviously I would have loved to have you around at that point. And, you know, we spoke a little bit about this before we came on and I definitely want to have you on in a little bit. To, to talk about the Clayton case because you your expertise is, is family law and that’s where Clayton’s situation happened.
It’s, is part of a family law case yet, you know, a little bit about it, but not the full story. And I can’t expect anybody who hasn’t literally been following every day for the last you know, 15 months to know every bit of detail because it is so detailed and so crazy. The amount of blogs that she has written where she literally has gone back on her story and incriminated herself by writing blogs, writing tweets, her lawyer, writing tweets the case happening, the judge deciding eight days after the trial back on June 10th that I, that I attended, which was fascinating.
It’s my first trial ever to attend in person. We’ve got to sit in the What’s the side room? What’s it had a
separate room or just,
we weren’t allowed in the court, but we were in the separate room because it was such a public case. There were so many people that were interested in it. They set us up in a public room where they had a flat screen for us to watch.
It overflowed. Yes.
Interesting. So there were so many people, the gallery was full.
Yeah. They only allow, and look, it was like two benches. Inside the courtroom. So, and there was probably how many of us were in the overflow? I’d say 30 to 35 people maybe in the, in the overflow
trial.
And it was just two hours.
And, you know, because her lawyer, her lawyer went first, put her on the stand and she was on the stand for probably 50 minutes, and then they brought up her doctor and then they brought up Clayton, her lawyer never got to cross examine Clayton because after two hours, it was like, okay, This is it. Like her lawyer, the biggest thing he needed to do was cross examine Clayton yet.
Clayton’s lawyer got to cross examine Laura and cracked got cross examine their doctor witness, who they absolutely obliterated. And then Clayton gets up there and his, and his exam. And, you know, his. Was done by his lawyer and then that’s when the trial ended because the two hours were up and it’s just like that lawyer wasted so much time because everything that Laura said up there and everything that she said to her lawyer when she was being examined by her lawyer, it’s like stuff we already knew.
It’s like they retried everything that we knew from previous. Hearings i’m just like I don’t get this why is he wasting time Going over facts that i’m pretty sure the judge already knows about And he never got around to cross examining clayton Like it just seemed like that was his bitch probably why he lost the case He never even got to cross examine the main witness, you know, so
yeah That’s a big Problem right in california.
You can call the other witness as your witness on your side, right? And that’s usually what people do first. They don’t even want their client to testify They want the other guy to testify first
And he put his client up there. He put Laura Owens up on the stand and she was up there at least 45, 50 minutes of the two hours.
And he kept asking judge, where are we at on time? Okay. Let, let, let us call up the doctor. And he calls up a doctor that hadn’t even met Laura or seen any of the paperwork until that day. Like it was just the most bizarre thing, the thing that he wasted time on. And then that’s why when Clayton’s lawyers crossed examined that doctor, like I said, they obliterated him and made him basically I don’t want to say a non witness, but his testimony became moot because he knew nothing.
It was just like, why are you calling? Why did you bring this doctor as your witness? When he, I shouldn’t say he hadn’t met Laura to that until that day, and he had never interviewed Laura ever. He was just going off of, I guess, what the lawyer had told him. And here, here’s the paperwork about this case.
But he had never sat down and personally interviewed Laura about her pregnancy. And yet he was their main witness. Medical witness. It’s bizarre. But yeah, so anyway, what I want to do is I’m going to get you the main paperwork because there’s, it’s so much paperwork, but the main things that I think you need to look at for this case.
And I would love to have you back on in a little bit to discuss this case, because I think you’ll have plenty of things to say. The fact that I told you that the judge issued a 19 page minute, which everybody has said is just
unheard of,
unheard of. Recommended her to the Arizona, Maricopa County prosecutor’s office.
It’s being investigated now. She is being investigated for if they’re going to pursue criminal charges against her, which coming out of family law, again, you could probably say unheard of. Never
happens. Never happens. The DA would be busy all day long. If we weren’t out criminal activity that was revealed in family law courtrooms, they would never, you know,
and there are people out there that are just like, There are, you know, I, I get it for people that haven’t followed this for the last 15 months and the amount of lies that this woman is told and the fabrications that she has done and time that she has wasted of the law enforcement in the state of Arizona.
There are people like there are murderers out there. There are rapists out there. Why would they? And it’s just like, you know, maybe, maybe they, you know, they’re going through the investigation right now. They might just say, look, we’re just not going to pursue it. We, we went, we interviewed people and we’re just not going to pursue anything, but there is a chance.
And I think there are a lot of people out there that if you really dug into this case this woman should be made an example of, and yes, maybe she didn’t rape anybody and maybe she didn’t murder anybody. But she still committed what I believe criminal activity in her past. And I think it definitely needs to be looked into.
And I think that she needs to suffer consequences other than 163, 000 at the judge rule that she owes Clayton and his legal fees, which. She’ll never pay in a million years, you know,
and you know, one of the main purposes of punishment is not just to punish people, but it’s deterrent effect. So there’s a really good argument that it’s not wrong to make an example of someone it’s right.
It’s one of the reasons that we have punishment. And you know what, she sounds like she did to him and I know a little bit, but not enough. It sounds outrageous and it sounds like something she may have done to other people. And so making an example of her might be something that actually the criminal justice system should do.
We’ll see. I was going to say,
as a judge, did you ever do that? But then again, you say you’re an arbitrator. So you’ve like, if you ever.
No criminal activity. I mean lots of criminal activity, right? Just today we were filming there was welfare fraud There was section 8 housing fraud. I mean we see a lot of criminal activity, but we don’t we don’t do any criminal law We don’t have a hot bench jail if we did it with people.
So
Yeah, I yeah this this case is really I mean it It’s crazy because the first time we heard about it, she had released her statement to the son. She gave a, you know, told the story to the son because she said, I’m pregnant with twins. Clayton Eckert is the father. And in the state of Arizona, you have to come up with a parenting plan.
And this guy won’t respond to me. I need to know what to do with these children. And Clayton come to find out was just like, yeah, because one, I don’t believe you too. I don’t believe you because I never penetrated you. We never had sex. And three. Even if by the craziest act of God that you happen to be pregnant, I don’t want to have anything to do with you.
I don’t want to be with you. So why are we working? Why do you need this parenting plan? And just the emails that she sent him? I mean, you will be.
Number three, he doesn’t get to do right, but it sounds like number one or number two. I mean, he doesn’t get to just, I don’t want to have anything to do with you, you know, but
if she was never pregnant, he does, that’s just my point is.
Yeah. Of course
not. And. You know, I, the, the little bit that I’ve had heard that I have heard has centered around, you know, the DNA testing and there wasn’t even a fetus in there. And so I’ll read everything and I’ll, I’m sure I’ll have a lot to say.
Yeah. And I’d love to hear what you have to say about, cause everyone is very happy with judge.
Her name’s judge Mata. Everyone is just thrilled with the way she just laid the iron fist down in her judgment and was very, very thorough of, Hey, Look at all these things that you just I’m basically I’m sorry I don’t believe a word that you say is essentially what the judge said in their judge
She didn’t have to do that.
I mean you have to are so overworked Their minute orders are usually one paragraph that the clerk types up
Yeah,
and clearly she took the time that she probably doesn’t have to you know Go through and create a record for appeal potentially for criminal prosecution And that’s that’s a real that’s a real big thing for a judge that is overworked and you know underpaid to do
Yeah, it’s just it’s really fascinating to see where this goes It’s very possible that the investigation leads nowhere and they don’t pursue criminal charges against her It’s very possible.
We have no idea. I don’t even know what the percentage is. Is it 50 50? Is it 75 25 that she does or doesn’t? I have no idea because I don’t really know what’s going on with the investigation. I just know an investigation is still ongoing. I know the attorney general in Arizona was asked about it in a press conference recently.
She addressed it and said we are looking into it. We’re very well aware of the magnitude of this case, the popularity of this case, because it, you know, it took on a life of its own. This isn’t just Oh, a girl tried to, you know, a girl claimed she was pregnant and she wasn’t. I mean, that story seems to be as old as time.
It seems to happen a lot. It is a, you know, a pattern of abuse, a pattern of constant you know, like I said, this is the third time this has happened. She has claiming three or four miscarriages in her life. From three different men, all of which she has protective orders against. It’s just like, do you have three protective orders out against men that you all claim got you pregnant and you lost the baby all three times?
I’m sorry. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt from us. It just, there’s too much fishiness here.
And it sounds like this may be the first guy she went up with. She went up against that had the resources to shut it down.
Well, that was,
we
didn’t know the other two guys. Basically had to acquiesce and just say, I gotta, I, I don’t have, you know, they weren’t on reality TV shows.
Nobody knew about those two guys until this case became public. And then all of a sudden those guys and people that knew them came out of the woodwork and said, she did the same exact thing to me, dude. So Clayton, the two men got in touch with Clayton and they’ve all become best friends. They, this was, this was crazy.
You probably don’t know about this. On the day of the court hearing on June 10th, both of those men that she had accused in the past that she has protective order against showed up at the court and her lawyer called the Scottsdale police department and said, these guys shouldn’t be here. She has protective orders against him.
The judge is like. They are witnesses. They were going to be called up in that day. And he’s, he’s arguing something that even if they’re called as witnesses, they still can’t be within because she has protective orders against them. And the judge again, shot her lawyer down and said, absolutely. They have every right to be here.
The police showed up that day because he called nine one one. But when, when the judge, cause he went to the judge in the morning and said, these two guys should not be here. She said, they’re witnesses. Of Clayton. And then he ended up calling nine one, one police came out and police were just like, what do you want us to do here?
He, they have every right to be here. And he’s like, well, because they were given PTOs or yeah, PRO, permanent restraining orders. And in California, cause these two men were from California, they shouldn’t be in Arizona. And judges like they’re witnesses. They’re allowed to be here. So I,
Proceedings are always an exception.
Otherwise somebody that had a temporary restraining order. Could never go to court against someone and get a permanent one because they couldn’t be in the same courtroom. And everyone kind of knows when you’re sitting in court, by the way, with a bailiff right there, you know, in the courtroom, that’s almost always an exception to a restraining order.
And if it, and if it isn’t in a particular instance, some other arrangement is made so that the testimony can still be obtained. They don’t just have to stay away from a proceeding, which their witnesses.
And I think, you know, again, like I know this is so like, Lay person of me but to be like do you honestly think in a court of law that these two men?
I understand that you got a protective order against them and you you fear them What do you think they’re gonna do sitting in a courtroom with a with a bailiff there? Do you honestly think they’re gonna? Harass you from sitting in it, like it just, but again, this is, this is her, this is what we deal with with her.
But yeah, it was, it was a wild scene. I was fascinating sitting there in the overflow room, watching the case. She got flustered a couple of times because I apparently there was a couple of times in the overflow room where we reacted rather loudly. There were laughs because of her testimony. And I guess that seeped through the walls and she got a little flustered because she heard us laughing in the overflow room and she started crying on the stand.
It was just,
it
was wild, but I can’t wait for you to read all this stuff. And I can’t hear you
because I saw the headlines. It was like, what is going on? You know, and these things pass by.
Yeah. Yeah. Craziest thing. I mean, who would have thought this guy literally had a, a one night hookup that didn’t involve sex with a girl on May 20th of 2023, nobody, including him ever would have thought in a million years, we’d be at where we’re at now and what he has gone through for the last 15 months about this.
It is. It is batshit crazy. It’s one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen. But yeah, yeah. Rachel, thank you so much for coming on. This was so much fun. I, I, I definitely think you cleared things up for a lot of people in regards to the Devin situation, the Gil situation. And definitely going to have you on soon again after we go, after you.
Get the correct paperwork that I’ll send to you in regards to this, the Clayton case, the pertinent stuff that you need, because there’s no way you can get caught up on 15 months of stuff. It’s just,
no. Thanks for having me. This is great.
Yes. Thank you so much for coming on. Check you out on the hot bench syndicated show.
There’s different times in different cities. I’m sure you’ve seen the commercial for it. I know I’ve seen it. It was crazy when you reached out to me. I was like, I know I’ve come across that show. I’ve watched it here and there for like five or 10 minutes, but obviously I didn’t know the names of any of the judges.
So, when you identified yourself, I’m like, Oh, okay. Yeah, I’ve seen that show, but, and it might have been
reaction. It’s like, and
it might’ve been when I was sitting, getting my getting my tires rotated at the, at the car dealership, something like that. Like when it’s in
a lot of, we got a lot of big presence in auto body shops, maybe the dentist,
I was just like, I know I’ve seen this show on with the three judges up there and Yeah.
But yeah, I, again, appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much. And obviously we will we’ll be in touch.
Sounds good.
Okay. Bye.
Bye.
Thank you so much to Rachel for coming on. I really appreciate it. What a great first time on the podcast. I cannot wait to have her on again. I can’t wait to hear her thoughts once she dives into this Clayton stuff.
And I just, I literally want to ask her, like, obviously, In the position that she’s in, and you heard her talk about the fact that she does about 180 episodes a year, six to seven cases a day for 30 days. That is pretty crazy, but she’s obviously seen a lot and heard a lot in her position, but I still want to ask her, have you ever seen anything as crazy as this case and how many twists and turns it had to it and all this stuff.
And I, I really want to know. Cause I, I find it interesting. And obviously she is somebody that has probably seen a lot in the position that she’s in, but man, this case gets crazier and crazier. I mean, the fact that documentarians are interviewing people to put this in a documentary documentary and pitch it to one of the streaming services shows you, this isn’t just like, Oh, a girl.
Pretending she was pregnant to keep a guy around and she wasn’t. No, it is, you all know, if you followed Dave, if you followed myself over the last year, you know, how deep this goes and how crazy the story has gotten. And it’s just, it’s, it’s a fascinating, fascinating story. So that’s why I can’t wait to have Rachel on again in the future.
Anyway, again, thank you all for listening. I really appreciate it. Follow me on Apple podcasts. Also rate and review, but you got to hit play. It’s the only way it counts as a download. Daily Roundup was posted a couple hours ago, Sports Daily an hour ago. For Rachel Juarez. I’m Reality Steve. Thank you all for tuning in and I will talk to you tomorrow.
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