The person I was asked most about all season of when am I gonna have her on the podcast again it today’s guest, Courtney Robertson. Obviously Arie will never come on this podcast, but Courtney might have been the next best thing. Why? Well once you listen today, you’ll realize (like I did when interviewing her) how much Arie told her from the second he got back from filming. I mean, he told her EVERYTHING, and we discuss it all today. Not to mention we also find out a nice little nugget regarding a reconciliation with Ben Flajnik that she hadn’t spoken about publicly yet. All in all, I’d say this is one of the more meatier podcasts in a while. There’s a lot to take in and while Courtney is a friend of Arie and defends him, she certainly doesn’t let him off the hook for everything either. I think anybody who watched this season and all that went along with it will no doubt be excited to hear about some of the behind-the-scenes things Arie was saying and doing, essentially confiding in Courtney from the second he got home from filming. To say I was a bit surprised is an understatement. As always, if you want to reply to the interview please include Courtney’s Twitter handle (@bugrobertson) in your replies. I have no doubt you’re gonna enjoy this one.
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(SPOILERS) Courtney joins me to talk about the conversation we had in September when she found out Arie was named the “Bachelor” and where they were in their relationship, Arie buying her a house (7:55), Sydney and Arie’s relationship (10:41), conversations she had with Arie after he returned from filming and what he told her (21:17), his thought process on the final rose ceremony day (25:32), his social media slip ups with Becca (30:14), what advice did she give him in regards to contacting Lauren (32:42), the proposal on the ATFR/break up with Becca on camera and why he did it (39:23), her thoughts on Arie & Lauren together publicly for the first time on the ATFR and their relationship (45:38), her reconciliation with Ben Flajnik (55:30), and where does her friendship with Arie go from here (1:00:44).
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tinyred500
March 8, 2018 at 9:39 AM
I enjoyed the Podcast and I thought Courtney was honest. Yes, she supports Arie, but she’s at least objective about him and his decisions too.
I found a lot of podcast rather enlightening (I’m not surprised by that), especially when Arie told Courtney when he knew he’d made a mistake….at the time he was walking Lauren off and sending her home…..!!!!!! He didn’t think to stop and say,..erm something, anything to suggest he’d made a mistake. He went on to propose to Becca straight after and within hours. What was he thinking….okay we are all human, but to know ‘before’ you even proposed to another, you knew it was another girl you wanted to be with is not okay by me.
It seems Becca had no idea about the camera’s coming to film the break up, and the reason Arie told Courtney was to ensure she got to be the bachelorette, because she had her story! The ‘very’ worse excuse ever, I agree with RS and Courtney! Argh!
I love RS cynical laughs throughout, especially when Courtney said they were planning a televised wedding! Lol lol I could go on….I just can’t and won’t.
I really don’t have a problem with Arie changing his mind, it happens, it’s life, and the method of getting to know someone during filming must be completely surreal and real simultaneously. I just detest the way it was done and handled. It was truly gross and extremely distasteful. We can only watch and see how this pans out.
shenanigans
March 8, 2018 at 12:42 PM
In the end, Arie’s decision to be the bachelor was good for Courtney, because it forced her to realize that they didn’t have a future together. Otherwise, she would continue to wonder if something more could develop between them. Now, she can move forward and find the right man for her.
As far as Arie and Lauren, they are still in the infatuation stage. If they are still together and in love three years from now, I’ll believe what they are selling. Until then, I remain skeptical.
sarahe
March 8, 2018 at 1:40 PM
I find it interesting that Courtney basically confirmed what I commented yesterday: Arie wants a woman who can make him feel needed and more like the dominant one in the relationship. Becca seems much more strong willed and independent than Lauren.
Donald
March 8, 2018 at 2:52 PM
I enjoyed the podcast and appreciate Courtney confirmed what Arie said from the time he proposed. One observation on the finale is Arie broke up with Lauren, kissed her and said I love you and she was the 1st girl he said “I love you”. I believe he was conflicted and I see nothing wrong if Lauren likes to be taken care of and found the man that wants to do so. In no way she strikes me as a door mat to be walked all over but more so like the silent “boss lady” that reaches a man’s heart without saying much in a quiet way. He popped the proposal because he truly loves her and wants her to have no doubt about his feelings for her after the switcheroo. Everyone forgets the influence of the producers on the show that can mess with one especially a hopeless romantic as Arie. Yes he was on the dating field a long time but ready to settle down and have a family; let’s wish them well….I think they will last because he is a good guy. True LOVE will stand the test of time, I hope he gets the last…..hahaha!!
tamara
March 8, 2018 at 5:05 PM
Very enjoyable interview. It is hard for me to respect courtney, as she knew sydney thought it was a committed relationship and she clearly had an emotional affair with Arie, which is almost as bad as a physical one. He clearly has multiple relationships at the same time, and isn’t forthcoming about what’s going on to each woman. He’s broken hearts before, so not convinced he truly cared about Becca, and has learned from his past relationships. He clearly toys with women, including courtney.
LM111
March 8, 2018 at 5:22 PM
Great interview. After listening to it, I kept thinking Arie was an idiot for not giving Courtney a real chance. She’s way more likable than Lauren.
sharperlens
March 8, 2018 at 10:53 PM
I have a feeling Courtney and Arie discussed a gameplan (weighted heavily pro Arie) long before your first question was asked.
TeresaRenee
March 8, 2018 at 11:43 PM
Courtney was so patronizing when talking about Sydney! Very disrespectful and she sounded all superior acting like Sydney was this clueless idiot while she herself was above her… almost like a mean girl making fun of her while she and Arie laughed about it.
kaye
March 9, 2018 at 12:16 AM
Courtney said she and Arie actually had to have a convo that their current “friendship” arrangement was no longer appropriate now that he’s engaged. She said it “registered” with him, as if he didn’t understand it on his own.
Men who need attention from other women, regardless of their relationship status (as seems to be the case with Arie), will always be that way….even if they are in love. No woman should accept that from a partner, and I can’t imagine fragile Lauren being ok with Arie’s female “buddies” or women (like Courtney) hanging around who are obviously pining for him. If there is a wedding, I’m pretty sure Courtney isnt going to be high on Lauren’s invite list…for obvious reasons.
shenanigans
March 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM
TeresaRenee, I didn’t view Courtney’s comments about Sydney as superior or patronizing – they were actually wise.
Courtney knows the score – that you need to ASK a man about his other relationships, rather than simply presume that he is being exclusive. If you don’t have that conversation, you may wind up in Sydney’s shoes: sleeping with a man who is dating other people behind your back (and who feels justified in doing so because you “weren’t exclusive”).
Sadly, it wasn’t Courtney’s place to have that talk with Sydney. It was Arie’s. But, he was never going to have it, because he would have lost Sydney as a bed buddy. It tells me a lot about his character (or lack of it).
soccertory
March 9, 2018 at 8:06 AM
I didn’t like that Courtney basically blamed Sydney for not knowing he was cheating on her. It is not your fault when someone cheats on you because you weren’t grilling them about who they were with and what they were doing. That bothered me. “She should have known”? Sydney may have been naive or in love denial but that doesn’t make it her fault that he screwed around on her.
LM111
March 9, 2018 at 9:57 AM
On the topic of Sydney, Shenanigans is 100% right. Ladies, you are NOT in an exclusive relationship until you have a conversation about exclusivity. Stop worrying about scaring the guy away. If he’s really into you, it won’t scare him. If you get push back from the guy it’s because he wants to sleep with you and other women too.
Staying silent won’t “make him fall in love with you”.
To put it in perspective (on a much smaller scale). Imagine you went on a few dates with a guy, kissed him goodnight, but weren’t that into him. Maybe you knew you would never fall in love with the guy. Now imagine that that same guy ASSUMED you were his “girlfriend” because of those dates and that kiss (stuff that meant nothing to you). How annoyed would you be? You didn’t promise him anything. You didn’t commit to him. Now you have to deal with the problem of shaking this guy and all that drama.
NOBODY wants a person to ASSUME they are committed. Let people speak for themselves. Ask the right questions and accept the answers! Be smart out there.
mltjen
March 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM
Well if that was the case it didn’t work at least for me. I think it made him sound worse. She said that he knew when he let Lauren go he was making a mistake but he still did it and still proposed.
somy
March 9, 2018 at 11:17 AM
First off, I really think that it would be in Courtney’s best interest to move on from Arie. I think she’s way too hung up on him and can’t separate hooking up and a relationship. I think it’s quite sad how she continues to stand up for him after the way he’s treated her in the past. Perhaps she should take a note from Sydney’s book. Courtney’s patronizing tone about Sydney was real rich, as if she’s some authority, given the way she puts Arie on a pedestal.
Secondly, the notion that you’re supposed to constantly ask your significant other if they’re cheating has got to be one of the most preposterous things I’ve heard. Sydney has mentioned that they called themselves BF/GF, which I think implies exclusivity. Even if it doesn’t, I’m sure Arie knew that Sydney thought it was an exclusive relationship. Seriously though, are we all supposed to ask our SOs every week if they’re cheating and vice versa? That’s crazy. I’m happy I don’t live in their world.
shenanigans
March 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
Somy, the sad reality is this: if you don’t specifically ASK a man if he is willing to be exclusive, you will NOT know his intentions. This is particularly true for men like Arie, who enjoy dating different women.
Sydney and Arie were clearly on different pages regarding their relationship, which implies that they never had that conversation. You don’t need to have it every day, week, or month. In reality, you only need to ask one question: “Am I the only one you are sleeping with?” It’s something you NEED to know to protect your own sexual health.
To me, it is foolish to presume anything.
somy
March 9, 2018 at 11:51 AM
Respectfully, shenanigans, don’t patronize me about having a successful relationship.
littlelil
March 9, 2018 at 12:48 PM
Some seriously stupid comments here. You shouldn’t have to ask your significant other if they are being exclusive – if you’re in a relationship, it’s assumed it’s exclusive, otherwise it’s cheating. Honestly, it was women’s day yesterday. Women shouldn’t have to ask sh*t all’s. Under no circumstance should a woman be cheated on and for it to be excused because they didn’t ask if it was exclusive, or “she should have known”. That is such horsesh*t and anyone thinking that way is going back in time instead of progressing forward.
soccertory
March 9, 2018 at 2:36 PM
Amen sister!
beapancake
March 9, 2018 at 2:45 PM
Exactly! So stupid these comments. When you live together and spend holidays with your families, yes you are in an exclusive relationship- no you don’t need to ask monthly if you’re still in that exclusive relationship. Clearly he’s a cheater.
shenanigans
March 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM
Somy, no one is “patronizing” you. I was simply to responding to YOUR comments, which used words like crazy and preposterous to describe posters who disagree with you.
The fact is this: Sydney presumed they were exclusive and they were not. According to Courtney, Sydney never asked Arie if he was seeing someone else. Obviously, she SHOULD have. Maybe he would have lied or deflected. But, at least Sydney would have realized that he wasn’t as invested in the relationship as he was.
If it were me, I would want to know.
LM111
March 9, 2018 at 3:12 PM
Still agree with Shenanigans.
Question for those that disagree. So, if you’re dating someone for a few weeks and just getting to know them, it’s ok for them to assume you’re exclusive? Really?? Maybe you enjoy a guy’s company, but the attraction isn’t totally there, you’re unsure about him – he should assume you’re his girlfriend?
Dating is just that: DATING! Normally, you date different people with the goal of finding one person you want to be exclusive with. That’s completely normal, it’s certainly not cheating.
adelina
March 9, 2018 at 3:13 PM
I enjoyed the podcast. Courtney does seem a little territorial with Arie, which I find a bit odd.. I mean, does she really think that Lauren is going to want to be shown around town by one of Arie’s former lovers? And an exceptionally beautiful one at that?
Arie is the type of guy that always needs attention and validation from women. Being with Lauren isn’t going to stop that. Just as he was shown to have reached out to Bekah M via Instagram, he’ll continue to do that and Lauren will end up getting annoyed. She may be a wallflower, but eventually she’ll catch on.
somy
March 9, 2018 at 3:23 PM
Wow… Considering you’re saying people shouldn’t be presumptuous about their relationships, you are being extremely presumptuous about me! I’ve done it all, just hooked-up, dated, been in relationships. There’s a lot of misogyny here. Women can date around just as much as men, FYI. It’s not just men who like to hook up, and wanting to hook up shouldn’t be an excuse to cheat on someone! So Arie gets a pass because he likes to date around? If he wants to date around, he absolutely should, just don’t make some girl think you’re her boyfriend. On that note, Sydney has said they they called each other boyfriend and girlfriend – in other words, there wasn’t assumption, they actually called each other that. I still don’t think that you have to ask someone if you’re exclusive after you’re already calling each other BF/GF. It kind of comes with the territory. I you don’t want to be exclusive, just say, hey let’s not call each other that b/c I’m not ready! At the end of the day, I don’t know even know why we’re talking about this. All I think is that Sydney shouldn’t be blamed because Arie was cheating on her.
somy
March 9, 2018 at 3:29 PM
Also, it’s quite interesting how both shenanigans and LM11 both love using colons and preaching to ‘ladies’ about how to ‘date’. You guys must be kindred spirits with your similar viewpoints and writing styles!
tinyred500
March 9, 2018 at 3:50 PM
I also agree with shenanigans, you only normally need to ask once and then you’ll know either way…exclusive or not. However, I don’t know if Sydney was aware of Arie’s past when she first met him, if so, I would have been mighty wary and not presumed a thing, and perhaps been a tad more questioning because of his past behaviour.
I also agree that Courtney was far too emotionally invested in her relationship with Arie, it clearly wasn’t in the true friend zone with her, never truly in neutral territory when it came to his relationships either. However, she also added that other exes had been in touch in the past too, it appears she doesn’t completely let go which isn’t wise nor good. She had a wake up call when Arie accepted the bachelor gig, quite why she thought he’d be different 2nd or 3rd time round I have no idea, but this is her chance to truly move and find her Mr Right.
ladyjane747
March 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM
Sydney sort of struck me as “stalkerish.” She didn’t run into Arie at an event, wasn’t introduced to him by mutual friends; she looked him up on Instagram or whatever and made herself known to him that way. I guess this is a thing now and men and women do this, but she knew he was from the show and reached out to him, which to me is just odd. It’s different when Bach Nation people do this to each because they have this show in common, but she came out of the blue. And then she moved to AZ! She claimed she was considering a move to AZ anyway, but I’m calling BS on that. Maybe if it was a move to LA or NY, but Phoenix? Scottsdale? She moved there because of him. He never told her he loved in a year and they never had the “exclusivity” talk and he didn’t invite her to his brother’s wedding. She knew deep down what was going on but didn’t want to ask because she knew the answer and didn’t want to hear the answer and didn’t want to end things with her “celebrity crush.” Courtney obviously knew the score between Arie and Sydney and knew he wasn’t serious about her. It’s not Courtney’s responsibility to update Sydney; it’s Arie’s. And now Sydney continues to act “stalkerish” by beating a dead horse. Move on, lady. He just wasn’t that into you. And Courtney should probably move on, too.
littlelil
March 9, 2018 at 9:27 PM
I also love how personally invested everyone is in other peoples lives. Who gives an eff about the Arie/Courtney/Sydney triangle and who are we to judge and pick sides when we are outsiders?!!! The only thing that we know because it is consistent is that Arie is a dog. He’s had his season, let’s move on. The fact we’re all still talking about it… it’s like we’re letting The Bachelor/producers/network win… LOL
tinyred500
March 10, 2018 at 12:08 AM
Invested? No. Picking sides? No. We are just commenting on what we heard on Steve’s podcast, just like when you hear something on the radio or read in the newspapers or a magazine. It’s a comment board for thoughts etc., on the shenanigans within a stupid franchise etc., and nothing more.
pdxkg
March 10, 2018 at 8:04 AM
Wow, this attempt at a PR puff piece on Arie, by Courtney, made Arie seem even worse than I believed him to be. Of course Sydney would have asked about the exclusivity of their relationship, but Courney never discussed this with Sydney and believes Arie’s story. Courtney told him to approach his exes, this only sounds like backtracking to cover for Arie’s stupidity. Also anyone who has met Dutch families knows it is a very matriachial family structure, and Becca woudl be more like his mother. Lauren seems easier to manipulate, but I think she has a core of steel and Courtney will not be seeing much of Arie until their relationship ends.
ladyjane747
March 10, 2018 at 8:48 AM
littlelil – I love how people comment in comment sections about how people shouldn’t comment on blogs/podcasts. LOL That’s what comment sections are for! And the more people comment on Steve’s blog, the better it is for him. If Courtney/Arie/Lauren don’t want to be commented upon, they shouldn’t be out in the public eye. That’s the whole premise of what Steve does. Fair game! And I don’t know anyone IRL who watches these shows (or at least will admit to it), so I don’t have anyone to mull them over with, so I express my opinions here.
rob22
March 10, 2018 at 6:35 PM
I’ve been out of town and just watches the finale and extra episode. I’m pretty much OK with the result. I do think Arie and Lauren are a better fit. Obviously Arie botched the choice and the breakup. But Arie and Lauren are together and happy! At least for now. And Becca gets the cash and prizes for being the Bachelorette. Win, win, win. Plus the show, I’m sure got extra good ratings. Grand slam!
And I’m frankly surprised that there have only been two switcheroos. They get like 6 weeks and 3-4 dates to pick a soul mate. And one has worked out. I really wonder why more guys don’t go to option B. It seems like an obvious move when Plan A fails.
Look, I’m not saying Arie isn’t a douche. He probably is. I’m just saying thawhat happened seems fairly normal. I think many of us have had intense relationships that fell apart after a few weeks. I’ve been on both sides of that scenario. It’s not like they dated for two years and Arie left Becca at the alter. The anger of people is insane. Especially Bekah. What the hell was her issue? She seemed to be on a personal anti Arie crusade for some reason. The other girls including Kendall were much more understanding. Oh, and I love how Becca stated that she knew she signed up for her love life to be filmed. Duh. Yeah. She gets it.
tinyred500
March 10, 2018 at 11:34 PM
If you haven’t listened to Courtney’s podcast you might want to….she said Arie knew he made a mistake ‘before’ he proposed to Becca. If that’s anywhere true….or part true…something happened to make him proceed, it’s anyone’s guess.
I always thought JoJo was a better fit for Ben than Lauren. I’d hate to be the girl on the receiving end of any of indecision/conflict though.
tinyred500
March 11, 2018 at 4:33 AM
Regard to Bekah and the like for their over the top reactions. I agree, it comes across as crazy and more! I have a number of possible conclusions as to why. When casting, the producer’s select certain people knowing they will react and over react given their interview, past, and psychological test results. Some do it to extend their 15 minutes of fame (for BIP etc), and finally some just can’t cope/accept with rejection, and being rejected by the lead on a reality show.
You only have to look back over some seasons, especially during the WTA and MTA tapings and see the car crash and disproportionate reactions with rejected contestants, after being with the lead for no more than a few hours. Who needs closure and why?! Remember the bunny boiler AshLee Frazier? She was nasty and horrid. It does show emotional immaturity and neediness ….these being common traits with many of the more emotional contestants.
We know the shows is a numbers game. The lead only truly likes no more then 4, so the others make up as time fillers and some are selected (by the producers) to stay for their back stories, personality types, and bachelorette options. I do wonder (given how perverse and twisted the producers can be) if producer’s tell the rejected contestants they were only there for dramatic etc., reasons and not because the lead ever liked them. It would add to the rejected contestants disproportionate emotional exits and vitriol thereafter. Ghastly, if true. 🙁
deedledee
March 11, 2018 at 8:57 AM
Just wanted to chime in that I concur that Sydney was deluded about the relationship. There were mega red flags that she saw their relationship differently than he did and she needed to speak up. Men (even dbags like Arie) do not need to read minds. Was he shady? Yep! But it is your responsibility to initiate that conversation if you desire exclusivity, not to assume that you can read into things without explicit words. Hopefully she’ll learn.
mgood
March 11, 2018 at 1:20 PM
I think Courtney and Arie discussed what she was going to say prior to her doing the interview in an attempt to make Arie look better and justify his poor choices. She’s very elusive in some of her answers and probably doesn’t know how to explain some of the things Arie has done. She likely also knows Arie and Lauren won’t make it and in a year they’ll be back to their friends with benefits or whatever they’re situation is, so it’s in her best interest to do as Arie requests.
wakanda
March 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM
ABC’s cameras captured the real Courtney Robertson..there is no change despite her pretzel twisting fantasies in a scribbled memoir, or alternative facts on Steve’s podcasts..Courtney was as snake and remains a snake..if Sydney was naive and thinking she was the one, wtf was the snake hoping for by renovating his house with him, and thinking this was her future crib.
if Sydney didn’t ask the right questions, wtf does the snake brag about the best sex for the world to read just because he asked for it to be so, if she wasn’t hoping to be the one.
don’t worry about the plenty of good looking women of Scottsdale Lauren, do stay away from Courtney the slithering snake though.
jlal
March 12, 2018 at 4:00 AM
I know I’m late posting, but I just couldn’t take it anymore. Ladies and Men, if you don’t have a conversation where you both state that you’re going to be exclusive, then you’re not. I hate the patronizing tone of it the ladies job to ask, it is both. I’ve dated guys who assumed we were exclusive when I never said as much. If you’re dating someone and you haven’t had a conversation about whether you’re seeing others, then shame on you. It is not misogynistic as it goes both ways. I thought the Arie/Sydney relationship sounded pretty one sided and she just didn’t want to face reality. It easily could have gone the other way too. Two people are not always on the same page in a relationship. It doesn’t make the one who is not as invested a “bad” person.
sarahe
March 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM
Everyone in this comments section is being WAY too snippy with one another for no reason. First of all, I agree with many posts on here that in any relationship, it is 100% important to be on the same page. At some point, when you start seeing a lot of someone, it’s not a bad idea to ask them where they stand in terms of seeing other people. This applies to men and women. If one party wants to be monogamous, it should be on them to see if their partner is on the same page as them (regardless of gender).
That being said, we shouldn’t blame Sydney either. It’s not unheard of to think that Arie gave her certain assurances or treated her in such a way to make her think she was the only one. She at one point felt secure enough in their relationship to believe that they WERE monogamous. She didn’t feel the need to ask and was hurt when she found out otherwise. That doesn’t make her dumb or naïve, it just means that she felt his behavior indicated a different situation than it was. You guys really don’t think Arie knew that she felt that way?
People, this perpetuates the issue of women being pitted against each other. Courtney, as someone older and more experienced in a relationship, knows that if she is seeing someone and likes them enough to want exclusivity, that she would bring it up and ask. All she was doing was advising Sydney to do the same moving forward. Let’s not turn this into anyone was bashing anyone else.
jlal
March 12, 2018 at 10:47 AM
sarahe – I was responding to all the posters on here saying Arie cheated on Sydney, as well as those acting like it is just men who date around. Heck, when I was single I was the one not committing and most of the guys I dated assumed way too much. Also, to those who say (like they’re so intimate with their relationship), that Arie led her on. Umm, when you don’t take someone you have been dating for a year to your brother’s wedding – huge red flag. I have dated many Mr. Right Now’s, vs. Mr. Right. Arie isn’t the only one to date someone to fill time until the right one comes along.
sarahe
March 12, 2018 at 11:25 AM
@jlal I am with you on the whole brother’s wedding thing. If I’m dating someone for a long time and they don’t invite me to family functions like that, I personally would question things. I also agree with you that people are allowed to date whoever they want until they find the right person. And I don’t consider what Arie did to Sydney cheating so much as he let her think what she wanted to think about how serious they were and did his thing regardless.
My only point is that I do believe in respecting people’s feelings, and when it comes to dating, if you want to date around, fine. But BE UP FRONT about it. Based on the stories that have come out about Arie, I am getting the vibe that he isn’t up front with the women he’s dating about the fact that he is dating other people or that they aren’t the only one. He doesn’t have to say “Hey, I want to sleep around until I find the right person,” but he could say, “I’m looking for something serious, and I am dating in the hopes that I find someone who I feel strongly enough about to be serious with.” That, in my opinion as a single woman, would be fine and level set my expectations. If I wanted more than he did, I’d stop seeing him. Simple.
I’ve said it before, but I’ll repeat it: any issues I have with Arie are not about him wanting to date or play the field, but rather the way he disrespects others in the process. I’m basing this entirely on the numerous stories I have seen and read from women who have dated him that all seem to have the same patterns. There is a lot to be said about someone’s character in how they treat others, and I’m of the opinion that honestly is a great policy when it comes to dating.
LM111
March 12, 2018 at 12:16 PM
Did Arie REALLY mislead her? He never told Sydney he loved her. She never asked about exclusivity (probably because her intuition kicked in and she was afraid of the answer). It’s perfectly normal to date around until you meet someone that you can fall in love with. He didn’t lie to her. Sex doesn’t lock anything down, people. Many people have FWBs and take sex casually. If you’re feelings for someone run deeper, a level-headed person would, at some point, have a conversation to make sure they’re on the same page, It takes maturity and confidence to broach the subject, but without that dialogue, you can’t be mad if you find out later that there’s another person involved.
Think about it logically, would a person cut off other possibilities (like meeting someone they could potentially “love” ) to commit to someone they only “like” or even “like a lot”? After a year, did Sydney think he loved her but was too shy to say it? Really? A guy that told Emily he loved her in a matter of weeks? I know it’s human nature to make excuses for behavior we don’t like or understand when it comes to people we love, but wouldn’t it be easier to have the difficult conversation?
LM111
March 12, 2018 at 12:18 PM
*your
tinyred500
March 13, 2018 at 3:08 AM
There’s a story in the Daily Mail online, USA Showbiz bit, that’s carrying the same photo of Arie with both Sydney and Lauren etc, that RS has on his Twitter page. It credits Reality Steve for noticing the similarities between the two photo’s.
adrie
March 13, 2018 at 3:18 AM
Quick question – the ring Arie proposed to Lauren with… was it recycled or new Neil Lane? Anyone know? AFTR just aired in australia keen to know!!
tinyred500
March 13, 2018 at 5:09 AM
No, it was a different ring. Becca had an oval one, and Lauren’s was a cushion cut and square. 😀 Becca’s ring went back to Mr Lane.
adrie
March 13, 2018 at 6:15 AM
Do you think arie “bought” it or it was another bachelor paid for Neil Lane?
tinyred500
March 13, 2018 at 6:23 AM
Well seeing Neil normally supplies them all (via ABC), I’d assume ABC paid as normal, unless Arie specifically states he paid. 😀
LynnS
March 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM
I agree with you. Especially since it was televised live in such a big way.
somy
March 13, 2018 at 10:19 AM
I stopped commenting on this thread because it was quite obvious that someone was posting using several usernames. I can see that even after I pointed that out that the individual made more usernames and started posting (even if you exclude the colons, there are obvious stylistic similarities). I’ve been reading Reality Steve for a long time and always read the comments, and haven’t seen this before. Seems like this particular podcast with Courtney brought out the crazies (more likely in the singular). Looking forward to continue reading his posts in the future, where hopefully commenters will just be happily commenting on what’s going on regarding the show.
shanna429
March 13, 2018 at 6:56 PM
I agree. I guess I only knew of Courtney what I saw on her season she she seems really intelligent and sweet. Lauren is dull and does not have any confidence. Lauren will make sure Arie is no longer friends with Courtney. Lauren will be intimidated by her. Arie is going to get tired of reassuring Lauren all the time. I give it a year. I hope Arie doesn’t marry her just to save face.