It took all of about 3 seconds after the preview aired of tonight’s episode for the emails/tweets/DM’s to start flowing in about Madi in the preview and Chris Harrison saying, “You haven’t heard the last from Madi.” Guys, how many times does editing have to screw with you before you realize this show toys with your emotions through the editing? Surely we don’t have to go over all the editing tricks they’ve pulled countless times over the years that had everyone thinking one way, but it ended up either A) never being shown when the actual episode aired or B) completely opposite of what you thought it was. Hell, this season they already did it with the Barb crying fit of “Don’t let her go…bring her home to us” speech. Before yesterday when I told you in the updated spoilers that Barb was talking about Hannah Ann in that clip, how many people assumed she was talking about Madi? Basically everyone. On the little spoilers I had given up to that point, and realizing last week when pics were released that Peter was in the same shirt on his date with Madi as when his mom is pleading to him, basically everyone and their mother was convinced Barb was speaking of Madi. And realistically, knowing she only met Hannah Ann for the first time in her life one day earlier, looking at that quote now, it’s kinda even more ridiculous. But that’s another story for another day.
Whatever the case, they got you again last night. You see in the preview for tonight Chris Harrison sitting down with Madison asking if she regrets what she did. She said yes. Then we see Madi riding in a car to what seemingly is the final rose ceremony. It wasn’t. That conversation with Madi happened post-Australia. As I said in the updated spoilers yesterday, Chris Harrison talking to Peter at that final rose ceremony has something to do with him telling Peter that Hannah Ann is thinking of leaving. Madi doesn’t come into play until after filming in Australia is over. Take this for instance. His last date with Madi happened and she leaves. The next day is his final date with Hannah Ann. The day after that is the final rose ceremony. So Chris Harrison is not talking to Madi that morning about any sort of regret or her returning. You could even just look at her eyebrows:
First pic was on her date with Peter when she left. Second is her talk with Chris. Clearly her eyebrows are much thicker when talking to Chris. Before you say, “Hey, you never know. Maybe she went to a salon in Uluru and got them touched up in two days…” Save it. The Madison/Chris conversation happened post filming, and Madison does not show up to the final rose ceremony. Don’t let the editing deceive you.
Yesterday about an hour before the show started, I tweeted this out:
I’m still trying to confirm it. I might be able to tell if it’s legit by tonight’s episode. Or it may air tonight since I don’t know where tonight’s episode ends. But even if it doesn’t end up happening, I’ll let you know what it was.
— RealitySteve (@RealitySteve) March 9, 2020
Needless to say after yesterday’s post, it was crazy. But not the crazy like what happened on Thursday where people were immediately telling me “Uhhhh, you sure about that?” I never got that yesterday. In fact, I just started hearing even more stories about this season and things that went down that are all sorts of messed up. But since I can’t prove any of them, it’d be too much gossip. And the second I even throw out a guess, even if I specify it’s a guess, it turns into “Reality Steve said this happens,” which isn’t true. Anyway, in regards to my tweet, I did hear something that definitely didn’t refute anything I said. It actually added a layer to everything which, if true, would be really interesting. However, I don’t know if it’s true. I haven’t gotten it confirmed. It never aired last night, so, we’ll know tonight. If it airs and what I was told was true, I’ll let you know. If it ends up not being true, I’ll still let you know as well what I was told. Don’t think I’ve forgotten what I tweeted a little while back either about something I heard, and if true, I’d just throw my hands up in the air. I said if that ends up not being true, I’d tell you what that was as well. So both of those I will tell you tomorrow, whether they end up being true or not. Right now, I don’t think either is.
Tomorrow I’m gonna have a lot of stuff to go over this season and reaction to how this all will play out. They keep saying “Peter doesn’t know” and honestly I don’t know what Peter can’t know. He doesn’t know what’s going on in his own life? Really? How is that even possible? So it could just be their choice of words, but I gotta believe Peter has at least a clue what’s happening in his dating life right now. But if you’re asking me definitively what’s gonna happen tonight, I really don’t know. What I gave you yesterday is what I know up to this point. He got engaged to Hannah Ann at the end of this thing, they break up in the clip we see of him saying “I’m so sorry,” and during their breakup he says he still has feelings for Madi. And judging from the clip with Chris Harrison, Madi we can see still has feelings for him. Where that leaves them now, I do not know. If I did, I’d tell you. But we’ll all find out tonight, because there’s nothing left after that.
Also tonight, we will see Clare as our “Bachelorette” live. And knowing that the last 3 “Bachelorettes” who were introduced on the ATFR got to meet 5 of her men, I’m guessing we’ll get the same with Clare. Right now, I have 13 of Clare’s men that I believe will be on the show. I had 18 yesterday, but 5 looked to have either some social media activity, or haven’t set their IG to private as of last night, so I’m holding off on them until I get more possible confirmation. So hopefully the 5 she meets tonight are ones that I already have. I gotta believe at least a few will be as the odds are in my favor considering I have close to half her cast. Anyone she meets that I already have, I will be immediately posting to Twitter and IG, and then I’ll have their bios in the column tomorrow. If it’s someone I don’t have, I’m sure within minutes somebody on social media will inform me who the guy is. Happens every season.
As for some of Clare’s guys, we saw last week where I told you a couple of guys who were 25/26, who were initially told they were cast for the upcoming season, then received word right around the time Clare was named that they were no longer needed because they went with an older “Bachelorette.” Well, per usual, production was lying to people since that’s their job. You’ll see when I start releasing some of Clare’s guys, there are some 25/26 year olds on the show this season, so clearly while those guys were told they weren’t needed anymore because of their age, that was a lie. If that were the case, they wouldn’t then go cast some guys that are the same age as the ones they told weren’t age appropriate. Hard to understand their logic, but, we know productions job is to lie to people and butter them up, even during a let down. So unfortunately, a few guys suffered that fate this season.
March 10, 2020 at 8:14 AM
Certainly I can’t be the only person who was floored by the dynamics of Peter’s family. It’s great that they consider themselves so close – yay. But Mama Barbara is so firmly enmeshed in Peter’s life that I view it as a HUGE red flag for any potential mate. In this family, you are truly marrying into the whole family.
Barb’s reactions were cringe-worthy. I don’t care how emotionally charged or edited the situation is — yikes. As a person who was married for 17 years and has been divorced for 14 years — I have learned how important it is to examine the relationship dynamics of the parents of your potential partner/spouse. What is the relationship dynamic between your partner and their parents and what is the dynamic between the parents. Does your partner recognize the flaws in their parents? Can they identify and understand them?
Anyway, I digress….but Peter’s Mom would give me great pause to consider in a long-term commitment. The woman has done her son a great disservice by being so enmeshed in his life and clearly it has not served him well.
March 10, 2020 at 8:28 AM
If memory serves me correctly, which it probably doesnt, wasnt Mati’s overnight last? She brought up to Peter last night that she asked for one thing and how hurt she was that he put his needs first. Girlfriend didnt even bring this up til her overnight, right?
Maybe she did at the rose ceremony. I’m so confused with her. I remember her telling him she was saving herself for marriage at the rose ceremony, but I thought the “you cant sleep with other 2” was at her overnight which then didn’t happen.
I’m sorry, but didnt she know what she was in for? Peter is known for being intimate in windmills, etc. Her lifestyle, while commendable, is polar opposite of his. She had weeks to remove herself from show when she knew he wasnt saving himself for marriage. She knew her strong faith would not allow her to continue on with him. I’m thinking girl wants to be first virgin bach to meet her virgin husband.
I do applaud her for sticking to her beliefs, but she should have jumped ship weeks ago.
Poor Peter, bec Barb is guilting him, controlling and a complete train wreck. Peter is looking for a wife. It’s not Barb looking for a future daughter-in-law.
March 10, 2020 at 8:30 AM
Spot on! Run both of you, HA and Mati
March 10, 2020 at 8:34 AM
I, too, was disgusted with Barb (and the rest of Peter’s family) for making Madison the villain, blaming her for waiting till the end to voice her opinion about Peter sleeping with other women in the Fantasy Suites. Poor Pachi! So, they condone his having sex with TWO women, when he’s over the moon about the third? But, as I posted in an earlier comments section, Pete’s parents are the same people who sat in the audience at the live AFTR last season, beaming with pride when Hannah B blurted out that she and their son had had sex FOUR times in the windmill. Atta boy. And, why the heck is a 28 year-old pilot still living with his parents? He flies for a major airline…surely he earns enough to have his own place. I truly hope Madison dumps his ass tonight on live TV!
March 10, 2020 at 8:40 AM
I was a skeptic but I came around to Madi and Peter after their emotional talk last night. It was touching to see how they connect with each other, he had her smiling by the end and taking the fight less seriously. Barb torpedoed it, and Madi was spooked back into her over-cautious nature and left. Good if she comes back to Peter and they make a go of it. I’ll support it. Re: Hannah Ann, she needed to up her game to get Peter’s attention back if she were to stand any chance. She should have done what she wanted and begged, or made some other dramatic overture, instead of sweetly sitting there and softly sharing her feelings. Peter likes drama.
March 10, 2020 at 8:44 AM
The conversation Pete had with his brother was also cringey. Little bro actually thinks when you get married you keep acting like a single frat bro on the weekends? Go out line dancing and drinking whenever you want? And the girl just gets to come along for fun and stuff? Dude, grow up man. Relationships are all about sacrifice and coming together for a new life, not just adding a girl to yours as it is. People who think looking for a spouse whi fits in to your life are gonna struggle. You don;t fit a spouse into your life. You create a new one with them. Together.
Pete handled his season so poorly. He was just clueless in how to manage the season. And honestly he really doesn’t know himself very well because he probably hasn’t really ever had to try to. It has cost him.
March 10, 2020 at 8:58 AM
Twitter was on fire last night with lots of hate going towards Pete’s family for sitting around discussing his sex life on national TV. And for Barb, who wants to control her grown son and was being a complete bitch to Madi. I missed a lot of the details while it was on because I was laughing so much at the Twitter comments. Talk about a “finasco” of a season. I agree with ctrealitygirl , Pete needs to cut the umbilical cord, move out of his parents house, and start making decisions on his own. He probably needs to distance himself from his family to break the habit of letting them influence him so much.
By the way, some of the Twitter comments about how Peter likes to party and go line dancing all night were freaking hilarious!!! His mom made a fool of herself with those comments. Run, Madi!
March 10, 2020 at 9:06 AM
I also totally agree with the comment that crushonspivey made about relationships aren’t about finding the perfect match, but starting a new life together. Geez, nobody is perfect and who’s to say which person’s life is the right way to live. Peter’s brother was embarrassing.
March 10, 2020 at 9:21 AM
Could not agree more
March 10, 2020 at 9:24 AM
March 10, 2020 at 9:24 AM
Totally his mother’s fault that Madi left. Shame on her
March 10, 2020 at 9:30 AM
I thought the whole family … except possibly Peter’s dad … were cringeworthy. How Barbara treated Madison was horrific. So glad to see Madison stand up to her. Peter definitely needs to cut the cord … and soon … or he’ll be alone the rest of his life.
March 10, 2020 at 9:38 AM
I don’t think Peter’s family will ever be the same and maybe that’s a good thing. I also think his family became too used to the spot light these past two seasons and were drinking the reality Kool-Aid.
March 10, 2020 at 9:53 AM
denisew, Madi told Peter about not want him to sleep with others right after he handed out the roses for the F3s. Well before the start of fantasy suites.
March 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM
Obviously Madison could have told Peter earlier about how she felt about the Fantasy Suites. But she did tell him before the Fantasy Suites, not after. So, Peter knew the consequences. If he was really looking to compromise and change so he could be with Maddie, that would have been a good place to start. But he wanted to sleep with Hannah Anne & Victoria. That’s what it comes down to. I’m not surprised that Maddie left the show. I am quite surprised that she’s dating Peter after the show. I would think that once she was out of the bubble, she would have been like “what was I thinking?” And she SHOULD be thinking that. As for Barb, her defending her son’s desire to sleep around and go out partying, and NOT wanting that to change, is I mean, a WTF moment. Normally when you have a 28 year old kid sleeping around and partying you want them to find a good woman that will help straighten him out. What mother wants their large grown adult child to continue to act like a 20 year old college kid? What a mess. The family dynamics & relationship dynamics are pretty horrific. I wouldn’t be surprised if Maddie has already broken up with Peter and we get an ending similar to Hannahs.
March 10, 2020 at 11:17 AM
You’re remembering wrong. She told him right after he kicked Kelsey off, he definitely knew going into FS week and flat out ignored her. He’s selfish, and definitely not ready for marriage.
March 10, 2020 at 11:18 AM
As for the Bachelorette, I was very skeptical that they would cast Clare, because of her age. Now, I do think it’s a nice change to have an older woman be the Bachelorette. But not Clare. The idea of having a 38 year old woman be The Bachelorette is so that they can do so in a more mature manner. But we’re talking Clare, who went on basically every Bachelor show there was & really looked pretty foolish every time. I guess she gets sympathy points for being dumped by Huan Pah-Blow, but I don’t see where her other points come from. I realize this Bachelor season didn’t have any viable women left at the end. So Clare was all they had in their back pocket? This feels like desperation. I don’t see any way this ends up well. Wait, I take that back. It could be well produced into a satisfying ending…. but beyond that, I don’t see how it ends well.
March 10, 2020 at 11:23 AM
Most accurate description of the brother (and the entire family screaming “you can’t change him!”) ever
March 10, 2020 at 11:42 AM
Thanks again Steve, for your spoilers all season! But how could you forget to mention those adorable baby kangaroos???
March 10, 2020 at 11:57 AM
Am in the minority that I’m on Barb’s side. She saw pretty clearly how unsuited her son and Madison are. Madison saw it too. Very wise of her. Was impressed. As for Barb’s butting in, Peter is 28 and still lives at home. He’s still involved with them. Finally Mom saw what I saw. If Peter pursues Madison, she will end up cutting him off from his family and convincing him to join her family’s cult—Markle-like.
March 10, 2020 at 12:07 PM
Wondering if Peter only wants to chase after Madison because she opted to leave… like he only wantswhat he can’t have. If he loved Madison so much, he probably knew early on and wouldn’t have had much interest in fantasy suites in the first place. I also find it odd that he never questioned how much religion played in Madison’s life in the first place since it seems like a reasonable question between to partners. I’m over Peter and his theatrics. What a douche.
March 10, 2020 at 12:17 PM
What is off-putting to Peter is for sure when Barb said Hannah Ann and Peter looked like her and his dad Peter Sr.
Peter was like, great, I’m dating my mom?? That was eye-opening for him lol
March 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM
My take for whatever it’s worth. I truly think Peter loves Madi because with her he believes he can be the man he has always aspired to be. A better version of himself. I think he sees so much potential and values how good of a woman Madi truly is. I think he envisions his life with her as probably one of substance and fulfillment like he’s never known. I think he’s frustrated with his parents because he sees past the fluff and physical attraction of the others and truly sees her heart. He wants more for his life. I think Peter’s family cannot even credit him with a mature relationship outside of casual dating and sex. I think he’s lived up to what they see him to be and with Madi he sees so much more. They aren’t doing him any favors. I also couldn’t stop shaking my head at his mom last night. I couldn’t believe the way she was manipulating him and this seems like a regular occurrence with her. I dated a guy who’s mom was the same way. Eventually his mom and dad divorced. Sadly it affected everyone and her and her son don’t even speak anymore. A sad situation all the way around. I think Madi should stick to her convictions and if they date and he becomes the man he wants to be and it turns out to be the man she has prayed for then wonderful, but if they try it and it turns out to be about the chase or he falls back into his bachelor ways then she needs to stand up for that and not settle.
March 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM
@gleb I think everyone agrees Peter isn’t compatible with Madison. It’s just Barb’s delivery that just makes everyone’s skin crawl. Peter Sr just enables Barb by hugging and letting her cry on his shoulders.
Peter’s brother just didn’t have any faith Peter will be able to be celibate LOL
March 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM
Excellent points. Madison should escape the situation for good and Peter might as well ask for an arranged marriage.
March 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM
I don’t think it’s a matter of Peter and Madi not being compatible, but rather how much dedication to making compromises they have as to whether they could make a relationship work. People don’t have to be in the exact same place with religion or politics, but if there is a desire to work something out, it can be done. Look at Sean and Catherine Lowe… Sean came from a very religious family and Catherine did not. I remember thinking that they were not a good match when I read the spoilers for the season, but Catherine has since become a Christian and is involved in their church. Also, Becca and Garrett had opposite political beliefs, and they are still going strong in spite of it. If Peter does still like to go out and party all the time and go line dancing all night (LOL) then I don’t see it working out. But if he sees the potential to do something bigger with his life, I think Madi would be the one girl on that season to have that influence on him. Its more about personal choices than what it looks like on paper. Of course, Madi has to decide if she has enough love for him to endure his crazy family, especially after Barb was so rude to her. We only see what’s on the screen and we never got the whole, true picture. I think it’s fair to say that time will tell with these two. It always does with the final couples.
March 10, 2020 at 2:17 PM
This season needs Maddie to walk out on Pete tonight on live TV. Just dump him on the spot for good. It is what this season needs and what fans of the series deserve after the crap show that was this season.
March 10, 2020 at 2:54 PM
Noooo!!! Maddie is awful! Peters parents are way out of line, but she walked into that date mopey and sour faced (as usual). What are they supposed to say to a woman who clearly doesn’t want to be there, and is 1000% not right for Peter. Like another poster said, major red flags!! I would be crushed too, if my son ended up with someone SO clearly wrong for him. If they end up together she WILL absolutely change him and will probably cut him off from his family. I’ve seen this happen before with my own super religious family members. I just don’t get what he sees in her. She’s a debbie downer, weirdly awkward around him, and very self righteous. Run Peter, run!!!
March 10, 2020 at 3:29 PM
I think the Peter still doesn’t know comment is about him proposing to Madison and he doesn’t know her answer. As for the religion issue, sorry you’re either there or not. Peter is not. I don’t think they would work out.
March 10, 2020 at 4:38 PM
I totally agree. Call it editing or whatever, there was a huge difference in Hannah Ann’s and Madi’s reception with his family. Barbara talking to Madi was unbearable to watch. Who wouldn’t want their son to be with someone like Madi, especially since it’s evident he’s so in love with her? I am team Madi all the way. I think Peter has been a great bachelor. I’m tired of all the negativity he is getting.
March 10, 2020 at 5:05 PM
The final episode is about to start, so here are my comments before all is revealed. I do not understand people who choose mates who are hard work right out of the gate. Life is hard enough that you don’t need to deal with other people’s drama, differences in beliefs and lifestyles, etc. from the get go. I thought it was strange how the details of Peter’s love life were openly discussed in his family, but they already know about the 4 times in a windmill, so…. I got the impression that Peter told his family a lot more about how deeply religious Madison is than was aired on TV. Peter is not a “man of faith” and I don’t see them being compatible. In this case, I am team Weber Family. Hannah Ann is the easy choice, but being that it’s the Bachelor, I fully expect that the wrong choice will be made. Peter has no idea what he wants. Signing off to turn on the TV now!
March 10, 2020 at 5:27 PM
Sounds like you’re projecting.
March 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM
I never gave Hannah Ann a chance (I’ll blame producers for editing out her personality), but she is articulate, poised, and extremely mature for her age. Given the circumstances, I’m really impressed by her speaking so honestly and directly to the lame-o Pete. Sheesh, he is so full of bs… All talk, no action. Can’t wait for this season to be over!
March 10, 2020 at 8:09 PM
Oh Barb, dear Barb. We get it. You desperately do not want your son with the girl who has (at least on camera) some character, backbone, morals and ethics. You prefer the more promiscuous option for your son. I am NOT passing judgment on Hannah Ann for participating in the fantasy suite. In fact, I think going on a show which typically culminates in a fantasy suite (i.e. sex) when one is saving herself for marriage…eh…um…probably should have disclosed that material fact earlier in the process. I’m looking at you Madi.
But come on, Barb! You really, really prefer the girl who was cool having sex before marriage (on national TV) as opposed to the one who didn’t? It’s weird. Really weird. I don’t know any moms like this. Oh wait Barb, option number three was even more up your alley. Has anyone told Barb about Victoria F.’s Virginia Beach exploits? Cue the waterworks again. There was an even *sluttier* alternative in the final three.
If left up to Barb, Peter would be with Victoria F. Nope, I’ve gotta correct that. Barb is currently writing to producers:
“To Whom it May Concern:
Were there no porn stars available for my son’s season? I know, I know, Kim Kardashian is married so she wasn’t available. What about Paris Hilton? That would have been a great match. Why couldn’t you find my son some sluttier options. I am so very disappointed.
Barb (Peter’s mom who is still crying…WAAAAAA!!! In case you forgot who I am. WAAAA!!!)
March 11, 2020 at 2:35 AM
Wow Steve, you sure screwed the pooch on spoilers predicting how this season would turn out.
When you are left saying that you were just told a spoiler at the last minute but will only tell everyone later if it’s actually true… that’s NOT A SPOILER!
March 11, 2020 at 4:28 AM
krashing you’re a troll.
March 11, 2020 at 4:32 AM
Big red flag when Peter said during the proposal that “She gets to spend the rest of her life with me”, versus “We get to spend the rest of our lives together”, just saying…
So proud of Hannah Ann, she handled herself so well. She would make a great bachelorette when she is a bit older.
Peter’s Mom really showed her bum, WOW. What a crap show. Now we know why Peter hasn’t yet found his manly parts. The only good moment he had was when he looked at his parents and said “I love her and that should be enough”, well said Peter. Unfortunately, I don’t think it will make a difference with Mommy Dearest.
Madison also handles herself well, considering. I give them a 2 out of 10 on making it last.
March 11, 2020 at 7:10 AM
Darn, after Barb’s evil ways, Peter and Madi should just elope and start having babies just to stick it to her!
Barb can only deal with doormats..eeeekk.. Peter Sr is trapped. FREE Peter Sr campaign needed!
Hannah Ann should have called Barb out. She’s right to call Peter out though.
March 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM
The only way Peter has a chance with Madi is if he packs up and moves out of mommy and daddy’s house and moves closer to Alabama. He needs to put some distance between himself and his wicked mother. Mommy Dearest is going to do everything in her power to break them up.
March 11, 2020 at 11:40 AM
Gonna guess this is one of Victoria F’s friends?
March 11, 2020 at 11:41 AM
Gonna guess this is one of Victoria F’s friends?
March 12, 2020 at 8:32 PM
This show was never designed to find love but to create a new crop of fodder for the TV industry. Just look at the ages of the “suitors” for the new bachelorette. It’s obviously a bunch of miss matches by default. It also shows that potential real matches in her age (intelligent, educated, successful, mature) are obviously very reluctant to participate. The script is deliberately emotionally abusive and extremely disrespectful to people who honestly and naively are looking for love on this show. I left a comment of that nature on youtube and have been banned from commenting in the future. They don’t want you to know and will take steps to keep it hushed up. It amuses me that they think of me as so dangerous that they had to shut me up. This is a show designed to appeal to a young, bored, desperate, female audience and the way they go about it proves that they don’t think highly of this group. Look at the audience. 98% young women. If the show had real quality you would see men and people of all ages in the audience no matter what the topic is.
Just imagine the part of Hanna Ann giving him the ring back would really have been the end. It would have meant that the entire show was in the garbage and people would have lost interest.
So they brought Madison back (I’m sure they offered her money to do so) to make it look like there is hope. I doubt that she will end up with Peter because if she is serious about demanding respect from him – that ship has sailed and she knows it. From where I’m standing it looks like she is a phony character and willing to overlook her standards for public attention (and financial gain) or she would have stuck to her guns and declined to see him again. If Peter would really love her the way he claims then he would have been incapable to have sex with the other girls. No one at his age and level of maturity is so confused as to “love” two people almost equally at the same time. Remember the guy is a pilot and (supposedly) capable of making decisions and have judgement with consequences of giant proportions if he want’s to do his job.
Take the advice of a woman who knows – don’t take shows and their quality seriously if the audience is mostly very young females.