Crazy ass weekend I tell ya’. One of my busier ones in recent memory. After my post on Thursday, within literally 10 minutes, I was basically told, “you need to check on a few of the things that you reported,” and lets just say that was coming from places/people that would know things, so I spent all weekend trying to get stuff together. So overall, what I reported Thursday is basically correct, but there were some things that were wrong and I will be able to fill in a few details I didn’t have yet. Immediately after my tweet Thursday that sources were coming to me with new information, that started a string of “production is trying to screw with him” emails and tweets. Let me put this out there right now. That didn’t happen. Production hasn’t done anything to me. Do you honestly think that even if someone from production contacted me I’d believe a word they said? Why would someone from production want to help me? According to Chris Harrison, I’m ruining these people’s lives by crapping on the work that they do. So now they’re gonna want to turn around and help me? If anything, if someone from production did ever contact me, I’d actually think the opposite of whatever they were telling me was true. Just like the Nick plane video. There were those saying production planted that video to me so I’d put out the wrong spoiler. Please. As if people even know who is telling me what at any given time. People think they know my sources, but again, they have zero proof. It’s all just guessing. Unless you know who I’m talking to, what they’re telling me, how they contacted me, and how they know what they know, throwing out “I bet production is trying to screw with him” as a take has no basis. Easy to say. Means nothing.
Lets get right into it. You know what I reported on Thursday in regards to the final rose ceremony and what I was told happened post show. Here is the updated version with some things to fill-in-the-blanks starting tonight based on new sources that came to me since Thursday:
-One thing I reported recently was that it was clear Barbara’s plea of “don’t let her go…bring her home to us” was the same day as when Madison met the parents. But I never knew who she was talking about. Most people assumed it was Madison. It’s not. You’ll see tonight Barbara is talking about Hannah Ann. I don’t wanna say the family didn’t like Madison, but after meeting both, the family was much more pro-Hannah Ann. But Peter’s mind is on Madison. That’s where the struggle happens.
-Madison leaves prior to the final rose ceremony as we know. I don’t even think it’s the morning of either, because that doesn’t really fit. I believe she leaves the day before. One thing I reported early on that I was told stands true: Chris Harrison speaking to Peter at the final rose ceremony saying “There’s something I need to tell you, something we all just found out, etc.” does NOT have to do with Madison leaving. Peter already knew that happened. Chris Harrison is telling Peter something along the lines of Hannah Ann is considering leaving too. But, ultimately, she doesn’t.
-The main thing I was wrong about: on Thursday I said that Peter cancelled the final rose ceremony until he could talk to Madison, who had already left. Didn’t happen. Peter gave Hannah Ann his final rose AND they got engaged that day. Don’t ask how I didn’t find out that for 3 months, because I don’t know. But yes, Peter and Hannah Ann did get engaged on the final day in Australia.
-Peter and Hannah Ann have since broken up, which is the scene you see of him telling someone “I’m so sorry…never expected this to happen.” Peter is 100% definitely not with Hannah Ann right now as I reported, nor will he somehow end up with her in the next two nights. There will be a very intense conversation with her once she’s live in studio tomorrow night I’m sure.
-When Peter broke up with Hannah Ann and ended the engagement, it was ultimately to pursue Madison.
-The biggest question is where is Peter and Madison’s relationship now. I don’t think it’s as solid as I reported on Thursday, but I also don’t think it’s dead in the water. We will obviously get our answer to that tomorrow night when they are together live. He’s with her or they’re working on things. I can’t imagine she’s 100% sold based on what he did during overnights, then going and getting engaged to Hannah Ann on the final day. But then again, it’s no different than what Arie did and he’s now married and has a baby with Lauren, so I guess anything is possible.
So in regards to what I reported on Thursday, unless I went into detail about who I spoke to, what they told me, etc. it really doesn’t mean much. You don’t need to know those details because they ultimately don’t matter. Some of what they told me ended up being true (Hannah Ann is 100% not with Peter, Peter is with Madison, they’re dating and not engaged), and some of it wasn’t (Peter cancelled final rose ceremony, not 100% sure of their relationship right now). This is how I believe the next two nights will play out. I know some people will doubt it and you clearly have a right to, but, I think ultimately you’ll see that Madison leaves Australia, Peter gets engaged to Hannah Ann, they stay engaged until he breaks it off, and since he ended it with her, he has pursued Madison. Exactly where they are in their relationship right now, I think is why the show is saying “Even Peter doesn’t know.” Maybe they are solid and he’s gonna propose tomorrow night. Maybe not. That’s gonna be what we’re all waiting for.
Gonna be a wild two nights, so get ready. Lets see if my new sources over the weekend came through and this is what we’ll see. I’m confident it is.
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March 9, 2020 at 7:58 AM
I need to re-read, but if any of what I’ve just skimmed through turns out to be true……Peter will go down as one of the worst leads ever, and for every reason. Urgh!
March 9, 2020 at 8:11 AM
So, if he ended up getting engaged to Hannah Ann at the end (even if he broke up with her shortly after) why would Peter said his season couldn’t be spoiled?
March 9, 2020 at 8:24 AM
YASSSS!!! Good juice!!
March 9, 2020 at 8:26 AM
What a cluster muck.
March 9, 2020 at 8:35 AM
I guess Jason’s season being the only one on Netflix was a big easter egg.
March 9, 2020 at 8:36 AM
Sounds like he let his parents influence his decision just like he let the women influence him the entire time. He needs to grow up before he even considers getting engaged
March 9, 2020 at 8:47 AM
Sounds like he let his parents influence his decision just like he let the women influence him the entire season. He needs to grow up before he even considers getting engaged
March 9, 2020 at 8:56 AM
Hope both Hannah Ann and Madison drop a huge metaphorical deuce on this guy on national TV tomorrow night. Wow, what a putz. I would trust him to drive me in a golf cart, let alone in an aircraft
March 9, 2020 at 8:57 AM
Oh this is crazy! Thank you thank you, Steve! Can’t make this stuff up!!
March 9, 2020 at 9:10 AM
I gotta say, this makes the most sense to me. We all know trailers on this show are meant to deceive the viewer. The previous version of the spoiler felt too obvious that something major had to be missing. This show would also never allow someone to leave without having a major talk with the lead. It seems likely that Peter made the preseason “my ending won’t be spoiled” comments because he had already broken things off with Hannah Ann and was pursuing Madison. Regardless of the outcome, great work! I know it’s been a stressful haul and I would like to see a recap of all versions of the ending you were told, if you feel comfortable sharing! Your journey has been fascinating to watch as a reader ?
March 9, 2020 at 9:11 AM
No kidding. I was thinking the same thing. Unless Mom and Dad are in the cockpit, he’s screwed in an emergency. He could never pull off what Sully did
March 9, 2020 at 9:50 AM
Shocker, Pete creates more deliberate CHAOS right up till the end and beyond.
Arie only created issues after he decided to break off his engagement to Becca, not the entire season of waffling and creating awkward, unfair situations or cancelling cocktail parties after cocktail parties for everyone. Big difference.
March 9, 2020 at 9:51 AM
I’m just waiting on Hannah Ann’s dad, “Ranger Rick” to show up and ask him if he’d like to have a hatchet throwing match.
March 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM
If you’re dumbfounded by Peter in this spoiler, you should have read last week’s. Basically, Steve had Peter telling Hannah, “Since Madi didn’t show, I can’t have the rose ceremony because I need you both here to be sure of my decision.” It didn’t make much sense to some of us at the time, but RS was convinced it did.
This at least is much more plausible.
March 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM
I’m not dumbfounded at all, and I’ve been reading all the spoilers and previously commented . I was only commenting on the updated info., and just waiting to see if RS is correct again. 🙂
I’m not impressed by Peter, and how his series has panned our overall. He’s handled everything atrociously. 🙁
March 9, 2020 at 10:40 AM
I cringe every time I hear some people say Pete’s a nice guy.. EEEEKK!
March 9, 2020 at 11:24 AM
I agree with all the posts about being totally disappointed in this season and with Peter as the Bachelor. He made bad decisions the entire season and didn’t stop in the end. As with most commenters, I hope Madison doesn’t end up giving him a chance. If she or her parents are reading the comments about Peter, and if she thinks about how he got engaged to Hannah after she left and how he screwed two girls a week before he was going to choose her, then that should be enough to discourage anyone.
March 9, 2020 at 11:57 AM
you took the words right out of my mouth dogmomma! I guess Peter is a CSNY fan…”if you can’t be with the one you love…love the one you’re with.” What women would want a man who not only slept with two other women a week before final proposal, but then asked someone else to marry him just because you left – and for good reason! If he truly loved Maddie all along, he should’ve done what Colton did: NOT sleep with the other two and go after the one you love. I cannot see her accepting a proposal…esp if he gets down on one knee during the live show after watching him propose to someone else on the jumbo screen. EWwww
March 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM
This all really validates Hanna B’s decision to dump Peter. I think she second-guessed herself cuz she was jealous he got to be the Bachelor, but like Madison her instincts were probably telling her he was not a good idea…
March 9, 2020 at 1:29 PM
Ari is actually the worst. He picked Becca and they stayed together for like 3 months, and then he changed his mind. At least Peter didn’t lead Hannah Ann on for 3 months
March 9, 2020 at 2:10 PM
@stacijo, I thought Arie was struggling with his pick from the beginning and told Becca about it from the start. Even Becca encouraged Arie to find closure with Lauren, as I recall. I believe I heard Arie even consulted Ben and Sean if it’s normal he can’t stop thinking about his F2.
March 9, 2020 at 2:14 PM
Unlike most of the comments here, I can remember being young, VERY stupid in relationships, yet REALLY good at my job and pretty much everything else in life. Peter is obviously completely clueless in the relationship department, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be competent in a completely different type of emergency, or that he isn’t a nice guy in completely different situations. We don’t all mature all aspects of ourselves at the same rate, and I am extremely glad I didn’t meet the right guy for me until my mid thirties. I just wasn’t ready. And neither is Peter.
March 9, 2020 at 2:34 PM
dwwatchesreality… You have some good points and Peter may be a good pilot and he may be a nice guy, but he wasn’t a good fit for being The Bachelor because of his immaturity with women & relationships. The show Tuesday will be the one to watch to see how Peter has tried to redeem himself. He’s catching a lot of grief online.
March 9, 2020 at 2:39 PM
Hope both girls dump Peter and run as fast as they can in opposite direction as Peter is a major deuce. He is not capable of sincerity and both women deserve so much more. Hard to believe Hannah B came back and was crying over this loser.
March 9, 2020 at 2:49 PM
Makes sense with the post you made earlier with Hannah Ann FaceTiming and saying I love you. Hannah Ann just rubbed me wrong, I didn’t see anything genuine with what she said. It’s like she was forcing herself to say she loves him or I don’t care I want you… idk she was just too persistent when it came to emotions.. almost like she was buying her time and selling the image that she wants love to maybe possibly be the next bachelorette… Peter was a terrible choice and I’m actually glad his season is over.
March 9, 2020 at 3:48 PM
Been seeing a lot of worst ever posts the past couple of weeks. So here we are, the top WORST Bachelors (of the modern era) of all time:
1. Juan Pablo.
He’s a misogynist pig who hasn’t a clue how to treat a woman properly let alone be in a relationship.
2. Nick Vail.
There’s a reason why Nick has been spoon fed love interests time and time again and still strikes out. He’s not malicious as Juan Pablo is but Nick is a smarmy douchebag with the most punchable face in Bachelor history. Zero personality. Zero charm. Zero looks.
Comes across as a nice guy but is part spineless wimp and part spineless manipulator. The crazy thing is you never know what Peter you’re going to get. Would love to see one of the cast go rogue and really spill the tea on this clown.
Honorable mention. Arie.
Arie was just a dud, like Chris Soles boring, in retrospect. His season was unwatchable but not for Nick or Peter reasons. Hindsight is 20/20 but after seeing how Becca treats Garrett and her politics, I’m completely Team Arie on this one. Glad things have worked out for him and Lauren.
March 9, 2020 at 4:58 PM
dwwatchesreality, Pete is only nice in a transactional basis, like when the cameras are on or when he wants to get a promotion
March 9, 2020 at 5:18 PM
Arie split with Becca early January, not 3 months later (the facts are all on RS site and Arie has done interviews and Podcasts to confirm that ). He didn’t have a season anything like Peter, he didn’t perpetuate the drama. Peter strung the last four along, telling Kelsey he was falling in love with her, only to send her home straight after. He kept Victoria around for sex. What did we learn about any of Peter’s women? Nothing. If Peter genuinely cared about Maddison, he would treated all 3 with equal respect and not slept with any. He wanted his cake and eat it. I hope both Hannah Ann and Maddison leave him, they both deserve far better. Peter is 28 going on 18, he has a lot of growing up to do.
March 9, 2020 at 6:56 PM
Watching her leave now, and the bottom line is simple. Because Madison wanted to be with him, she allowed his spin on “growing his faith” to reassure her that he was going to be a man who put God first. That was never his priority, and so when it started unraveling and she realized his faith talk was just talk, there was nothing for her but to walk away.
March 9, 2020 at 7:24 PM
I dont think Madison gave Petwr a fair advantage by not being honest about her values from the beginning. I think he had a right to know this so he could make better decisions on fantasy suite week if he would have even taken her that far knowing what he knows now.
March 10, 2020 at 12:06 AM
Do you guys not think it’s nuts that Peter’s mother was such a cry baby. Lady take a chill pill, let your son make a big boy decision and shut up. I am team Maddie, have been since day 1. Loved how she never got in the drama, she was so quite yet so elegant. Do I think she should of told Peter how she felt before the “ultimatum” yes (which I didn’t see it as and ultimatum.) maybe he would not of slept with the other two, idk. This season has been a lot of drama, a lot of stuff that was just over the top!! Especially his Mother. She gets on my nerves. I hope him and Maddie make it in the end but I think it’s gonna be a tough road.
March 10, 2020 at 12:10 AM
And I also wonder if his mom didn’t say what she said to her would of she stayed. I think his mother with her big mouth got in her head. I can see how Peter was like WTF you told me you loved me yesterday and now this…
March 10, 2020 at 5:07 AM
Peter’s mother is team Hannah because Hannah won’t rock the boat. Mama will still be in charge. Madison is not going to be easy to manipulate. Is it any wonder Peter can’t make a decision Peter was manipulated by the women,particularly Victoria.And while Madison is sincere is there any question who will rule the roost. Peter is looking for Mama.
March 10, 2020 at 5:11 AM
one other thought.Even Chris Harrison looks bored with Peter.
March 10, 2020 at 6:54 AM
Was anyone else disgusted by the scene when Peter was first reunited with his family? His parents, his brother all commenting on how Madison was wrong by waiting till the end to spill the beans about how she felt about him sleeping with other women in the Fantasy Suites. Then Peter jumping in and throwing Maddie under the bus too. Seriously? Their son sleeps with two other women when it’s apparent he’s gaga over Maddie and they see nothing wrong with that? But, then again, those are the same parents who were seated in the audience at for the ATFR on Hannah’s season, beaming with pride when Hannah blurted out that she and Peter had sex 4 times in the windmill. And, also wondering if anyone else felt like Hannah Ann was putting on an Academy worthy performance last night about how much she was in love with Peter?? There is zero chemistry between them. I’m shocked that he proposed to her after Maddie left. Wondering if production pushed him into doing it?? I was bored to tears last night watching the show…not looking forward to to night’s grand finale. the only thing that will make it worth watching is if Madison dumps Peter on live TV!
March 10, 2020 at 7:45 AM
> Was anyone else disgusted by the scene when
> Peter was first reunited with his family?
No we know where Peter gets his penchant for enabling drama from.
> His parents, his brother all commenting on how
> Madison was wrong by waiting till the end to
> spill the beans
Yeah, lil bro especially is a piece of work… “Petey how are you going to get engaged to someone who won’t let you bang her until you are married to her?”
> about how she felt about him sleeping with
> other women in the Fantasy Suites
I don’t like the way this narrative has been worded. It’s not like Maddie tried to deceive f*ckboy Petey. What she said was “if you were intimate with someone else I’d have a hard time moving forward”. That’s not an ultimatum — that’s saying how can you bang 2 chicks 6 days before proposing to me. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to say!
> if anyone else felt like Hannah Ann was putting
> on an Academy worthy performance last night
Yeah, it felt like HA was reading from a script.
She’s a nice girl and all but not ready for marriage (which is perfectly okay — I wasn’t at 23) and certainly not to f*ckboy Petey.
March 10, 2020 at 7:57 AM
Did Pete’s mom just compared her younger self to the gorgeous, model Hannah Ann?? LOL! I am offended for Hannah.
March 10, 2020 at 8:11 AM
I concur! 🙂
March 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM
Peter is indeed a putz!
March 10, 2020 at 2:14 PM
Tonight better be good and deliver teh ending this season deserves…..Peter alone and dumped by all women from his season.
And let’s hope the TPTB at Next learn from this season. They botched it big time as well on their end. Clare needs an actual love story arc that is believable. And the drama needs to flow around that, not stupid contrived things from girls with zero shot.