PODCAST #413 WITH CHAD & LIZZY FROM “GAME OF ROSES” PODCAST
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What’s up everybody welcome to podcast number 413, I’m your host reality Steve Thank you all for tuning in a great Thursday show for you We’ve got Chad and Lizzie from game of roses on but we’re not talking anything bachelor nation related This is all love is blind talk 90 minutes of love is blind including What aired yesterday, episodes 10 and 11.
So if you have not watched 10 and 11 and you don’t want to be spoiled, I would suggest watching those episodes first and then coming back and listening to this podcast or watching it on YouTube. We’ll get to all that momentarily. As you know, this podcast will be released on YouTube at 9 15 a. m. Eastern standard time.
It should be in your podcast feed around that time as well. And as I mentioned, 90 minutes talking love is blind. So much to talk about because so much went down on yesterday’s podcast. Hell, even during the podcast, we had breaking news, tragic news of Liam Payne from one direction. I get a text as I’m recording with Chad and Lizzie.
From my nephew saying one of the one direction dudes died, look it up. Obviously it was Liam. I break the news to them, but 90 minutes all on episodes 10 and 11 that were released yesterday on Netflix. If you have not watched them, I would suggest watching them first and then coming back and watching on my YouTube channel or listening to it on.
Audio either an Apple podcast or Spotify, but we cover everything. We go over all six couples that made it to the honeymoon phase. We even talk about Leo and Brittany as well, because Chad and Lizzie are both under the opinion of they screwed up by not bringing them to Mexico. I see it and I don’t see it.
I understand why they didn’t, but did they miss out on an opportunity for sure. But as you know, Chad loves calling out production of reality television dating shows and he does in this podcast calling out the love is Brian blind producers for some real big miscues they had this season. I’m enjoying it.
I cannot wait to watch the reunion show. I know a lot of them are taking to social media. This is almost like big brother in that you’ve got the live feeds of big brother. And then what CBS chooses to show us well on love is blind. We get what Netflix is showing us yet. All these contestants are going on podcasts or posting on their Instagram stories.
Of things that you apparently, and we as the audience just don’t know about. And that’s why I want to get to the reunion show and hopefully get some of these contestants on. I don’t know. I don’t know if Netflix would approve them coming on with me. I don’t know if you have to go through Netflix. If I could just message them on Instagram and be like, I want to have you on the podcast either way.
I’d love to talk to some of these people because I’ve never had a love is blind person on the podcast. I think this might be one of the first ones where I did talk exclusively in my weekly podcast about love is blind, but Chad and Lizzie cover it extensively. I know Chad has been following the Ashley and Tyler stuff that’s happening on social media.
So I wanted to talk to him about that. Just craziness this season, they seem to really like it. And they fill me in on the stuff that I don’t know about because, you know, I only started watching love is blind last season. I don’t know anything about the first five seasons and I don’t know anything about love is blind UK either.
So Chad fills me in on stuff and waiting to hear, I don’t know. I thought they already filmed the reunion show. But apparently they have it and that’s coming up and I can’t wait to see this reunion show because we also talk about, you know, the couples that are left, the couples that will be going to wedding day next week and we give our predictions.
Me and Lizzie are in total agreement. On the couples that are left. Not only do you have to, do we give our prediction of, do we think they get married, but then the other question is if they did get married, are they still together to this day? Because we know this was filmed in October of 2023. It’s been a year.
A lot of these people have moved on and we’ll see what happens, but me and Lizzie are in total agreement. We have the same prediction on all three couples. Chad has a little bit different opinions. So you’re gonna have to listen for that, but on the daily roundup, which was posted a couple hours ago, I do talk about briefly about Josh Cider the fraud, if you don’t know about him, all you need to do is listen to my 30, 45 seconds on him, and then never think about him again, please.
This guy is taking up way too much space. I think he’s just an absolute jackass for what he’s done. And I just, yes, I’m going to bring it up, but I’m not going to sit here and dissect it and give him 15 to 20 minutes of my time. It’s not worth it. He’s not worth it. I think it’s a horrible human being.
And he needs to be called out for what he did. Not. Dissecting what he did, you know, I just, I don’t understand it. And I think he is just a menace to society and he’s got some real serious, serious issues. Talked about the golden bachelorette last night, mostly about Mark. Cause last night’s episode really focused on Mark.
A lot of talk about Mark. Obviously he got his first one on one. He also got sent home as well on before the rose ceremony and you could see it. I think Mark saw it and that leads a lot of people to believe, Oh, he’s going to be the next golden bachelor. Look, the next golden bachelor doesn’t film for another 10 months.
We’re way too early to even think about that. We still have a bachelorette to choose and a season to film. We still have to film paradise next summer. I know people want to talk about Mark and they should name him the golden bachelor. It’s like, it’s, it’s. 10 months away. There’s no reason to talk about it right now.
A lot of things can happen in 10 months. He finished in seventh place. There’s no precedent for the Golden Bachelor being someone that has to finish Final Four. They’ve only had one season of a Golden season where they had to choose somebody from a previous season and Joan didn’t even finish in the top four of her season.
So it’s not like they have to take one of the top four guys. Mark finished seventh. I don’t know. I have no idea. My Intuition is telling me he won’t be the next golden bachelor. Again, it’s so far away. It’s not really worth talking about right now until we get closer. I talked about survivor from last night.
Another very good episode. Anytime there’s a blind side where you can get the blindsided person to have an astonished look on their face and then cry during their exit. You did a good job. Apparently. I do break down not only in podcast four 13, but in the back half of the daily roundup, I do talk about my thoughts on yesterday’s two episodes of love is blind.
I also talk about what’s going on as Saturday night. Live is really interesting. Infiltrating my for you page on Tik TOK and Instagram and a tragedy from a former one direction band member, Liam Payne, who fell to his death yesterday off a hotel in Argentina, just a horrible, horrible story anyway. There is a lot to talk about there.
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Additional taxes, fees, and restrictions apply. See mint mobile for details. All right, let’s get going. Podcast number four 13. All right, let’s bring them in. They are the hosts of the game of roses podcast, Chad and Lizzie usually have them on to talk what’s going on in bachelor nation, but we are going full stop on this episode, talking love is blind.
Let’s bring her in right now. Chad, Lizzie, thanks for coming on. Thanks for
having us.
Look at me coming into the video world for the first time with you guys. I
was gonna say, Chad was like, it’s going to be a video. I was like, Steve’s doing video. Oh my God.
I finally joined the rest of us in 2024.
What was the, what, what made you go over the edge?
I mean, just, you know, seeing
what Dave had built and talking to him and Dave was the one that told me you should do it. And. You know, with my daily podcast, I’m like, I don’t want to do this five days a week. He’s like, well, just start out with your, with your weekly. And do it from there. I’m like, okay, I don’t think I’ll ever do it every day.
I just, it’s too much work to do it every day. But
that’s what you think. And then you start getting into your YouTube analytics and it becomes compulsive. I’m literally refreshing our YouTube page like 200, 000 times a day, just looking if the numbers go up or not.
Yeah,
I like to hear that Dave Neal was your muse.
Cause I think he’s Chad’s muse as well.
He really, I mean, toiled around YouTube in obscurity for the longest time and then found a niche and look at, you know, look at what happened. I mean, he’s really done well for himself. I couldn’t be happier for the guy. All right. So Josh cider wants to not be trans and forget it.
We’re not going to talk
about Josh.
Yeah.
I saw that news coming up.
I want to say, can you believe that you don’t know this whole story? Yeah. Okay. Let’s just not even give him the time of day anyway. All right. Let’s talk love is blind season seven. I’m only I’m, I’m somewhat of a virgin to the show only watched season six last season, and then season seven.
And I was telling Chad before we got on here, Lizzie, that I watched all of season six, binged it like everybody else, but outside of one couple, if you were to say, Steve, name one of the couples from season six right now, like names could not do it, could not remember who got engaged, could not remember who got married, but if I saw their faces, I could probably be like, Oh yeah, that’s so and so and so and so.
So Jimmy and Chelsea were the only one I remembered because of the. Of the Megan Fox thing, which Chad had to remind me of. So I’m not good with Jamie
and Chelsea. I think we’re the most interesting couple from last season. So I’m not surprised you remember them. I’ll wait. Was it two season? Did you not see the one where the guy notched down and then proposed bliss?
Never.
You have so many good seasons to watch. I’m
so jealous.
I just, I’m, I thoroughly enjoy it. However, I will get to a point in episode 11, which aired yesterday. That I will tell you now for the second season in a row, what I did during that episode, but we got six couples, you know, we, we, we are going to cover what happened in yesterday’s episode.
So we’re all the way through up through 11 episodes, and I’m trying to figure out, do we start with the couples who aren’t together and we are now, or do we start with the good couples? And I’m like, why don’t we start here? Let’s almost go from the bottom up. Okay. Let’s start with the bottom, the bottom couples.
And then like the ones on the lowest and before we even get to Leo and Brittany, who obviously didn’t even make the. Which is something also we can discuss why they didn’t even make the honeymoon phase.
I mean, Leo and Brittany were my favorite couple. Yes, I was, I was absolutely devastated that they didn’t follow him to Mexico.
I was like, what do you mean? They’re the stars of the show.
I think the producers have made drastic missteps all through this season. You definitely needed them in Mexico. That would have been the most drama. And also some of the biggest conversations that have happened between these remaining couples, we don’t ever see them.
They’re just alluded to in conversations that happen after the fact. And it’s like, I don’t get it. What’s going on. This is the biggest reality show on the biggest streaming platform in the world. How do they not have enough money to have 24 hour footage of these, these couples? I don’t get it.
Including the cliffhanger we got left with at the end of episode 11 with Ramsey’s and Marissa.
We don’t even know where that came from all of a sudden. He’s sitting on the bed with his head in his hands. And I still don’t know what they were talking about. Other than it sounds like condoms
is the military.
They have really
delivered in the back half of the season. Yeah.
And it sounds like he spoke to friends and friends might’ve put some thoughts into his head about, are you sure you want to do this and whatnot?
And that’s what, but we never got any specific details of, Oh, this was it. As opposed to, we saw the military. Conversation. We saw the condom conversation. Okay. We at least know what they were talking about. This one was just woke up the next morning and he had his head in his hands as he comes out of the bathroom.
Tears in her eyes. It’s like, what would we miss here? But to your point, Chad let’s actually, let’s first start off with that, with Leo and Brittany. Since I said, let’s start from the bottom and they would be the very bottom just because they never made it to honeymoons. Now you guys are more well versed in this show than I am to me.
And in reading what a producer said, or the creator of the show, Chris Coleman said, we like to take, we like to focus on couples that we think have a legitimate shot to make it clearly Leo and Brittany. I don’t think anybody thought the second she walked through the reveal and the way she acted during the reveal, we all could kind of see that she was not into him, so I get it from that perspective.
However, like you said, this would have been a, probably the most drama filled. Honeymoon ever these people just would have not meshed on any level and that’s let’s be honest That’s kind of what we want to see on the honeymoon level. And so chad, I mean
Bad decision
and then the other thing being a seventh couple have they ever done seven in the honeymoon phases?
That seems like that would be a bit much
I don’t think they have, but I, like to me, Chris Colen, he’s, he’s been known for lying to the press about a lot of different things in the show and the motivations for why they’re doing this. And I, the producers don’t actually care about how many couples make it to the end.
As long as they’ve got at least one hero, a couple to focus on the show can kind of be made the same way they make it every season. I think personally, the reason that they didn’t follow them is because Brittany was probably like. I’m not doing this. And the show wants to make it seem like it was their decision because they need to uphold the sanctity of love and helping people find their soulmates.
Meanwhile, these are the same producers who either a withheld information from Ashley, a dancer that her dude, Tyler had three children or didn’t know about it. But even if that’s the case, they knew about it when he said it in the show. During the course of shooting, he reveals that information and they still, even if they didn’t know, which I think they did, they do nothing on their behalf to check into that information.
The details of that story, which are now like coming out as we’re all following it online. I just don’t ever trust that the producers of love is blind or any of these dating shows really have the best interests of the players in mind or that they’re doing anything for in quotes for the right reasons,
they knew what they had with Leo and Brittany.
They are in one of the commercials for the reunion. They know everyone wants to hear about them. They were one of the most memed people, the, where he’s going kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, and the, the watch and everything. So I, unfortunately, I chat has made me a little bit cynical and I don’t trust what they’re saying about this.
I’m like, no, you would have followed Leo and Brittany if you could.
Did you get the cringe factor, Lizzie, when they had their reveal like that? I mean, it’s always cringy for me. What do you mean? No, they had the
hottest chemistry for
me every time I watch those reveals. It’s literally the, I’ve only seen two seasons, but I feel like every engaged couple says the same thing.
Oh my God, I can’t believe it’s you. Oh my God. This is so crazy. It’s just, I get it. You’re seeing each other for the first time, but there’s never anything original
that comes
out of those conversations.
It’s that dance is the most beautiful dance of the season. Every year, the reveal is like, it’s, it’s kind of like the big stage.
And there’s a lot that you’re actually looking for. At least I am when I’m watching that I’m looking for their eye contact. Do they break eye contact a lot? Are they nervous about coming in close together? How was that first kiss? What did they do after when they’re sitting on the bench is one sitting, Far from them or do they have their arms like there’s a million little things to be watching for a little body language things.
But yeah, there’s was terrible. She basically looked like she was trying to run away
and he looked like he was trying to imprison her with his arm.
Yes, he did. And he was like stroking her hair in a weird way. And it’s like, how long did she spend? How much time did she spend putting into, you know, making that hairdo perfect for on camera?
And he’s just mangling it. There was a lot in, in their reveal. It was terrible. I thought bad plays on his part.
Well, the other thing being was you just go back an episode from that with Leo. Where it was just like, you know, his absolute meltdown when Hannah said that she was basically going to go with Nick and, you know, he’s, you know, bear hugging the pillow.
No, Hannah, no, then raising his voice to Hannah. And then the next day coming back saying,
I would have loved to watch that couple play out as well.
The next day coming back and saying, Hey, no, it’s tool mutual. You found your guy. I found my woman. It’s Brittany for me. And she’s just like, yeah. Okay.
Yesterday when you were literally proclaiming your love to me and I, you know, I’m, I’m glad Hannah said something to Brittany in the pods, but yeah, that was Leo. But with that said, would have been just absolute ultimate honeymoon camera time with Leo and Brittany. Cause it would have been so awkward because she was not into him whatsoever
at all.
Absolutely. And I don’t think he was really into her. My take on him was he is a guy. Who wins at least in his mind at everything. And this was a win. He wasn’t going to get when she said, no, I’m going with the other guy. He was like, no, this can’t be, I’m not getting what I want. And then he has to notch down.
That is, that’s what we call it. If somebody gets denied or rejected by their first choice and they go to someone else. I just think that he was a very competitive guy who, like I said, has had a lot of victories in life and he wanted one more here and couldn’t quite pull it out. Couldn’t quite get it.
I don’t
necessarily believe in leagues, but there is an interesting element in love is blind of the physical reveal. And you can tell, like, He’s like, Oh my gosh, this person is out of my league kind of situation. And there’s like a power dynamic in the couples of like, Oh, well, who’s punching or who, or whatever you call it.
Punching up and punching down. Yeah. Yeah. And she, you know, she made it, she made it known during the pods, the type of men she dates, she dates athletes. Yeah. It was very clear. Leo was not an athlete. And he didn’t seem to fit her physical type based on what she described to us. Yeah. And I think, I think we saw the reveal of her being like,
when we intro Britney, I was like, she’s the star of the season.
She has like kind of a Disney character type thing about her. I went all the way down her Instagram. It’s mostly about cleaning the beach.
She even described herself as a cartoon at some point during one of her first introduction of she’s like, I’m a cartoon and I was like, exactly. Perfect reality television store.
Lizzie, you mentioned something about Leo and Brittany being part of a part of the reunion teaser. I guess I haven’t seen that yet.
They have shown it was on Instagram. Oh, okay. So they are going to be on it.
They, yeah. And they were mocking kind of their like inside jokes too. So we are going to see them again. I don’t know why they haven’t been in any of the player reunions. I guess they were on this secret trip to Florida that didn’t go well.
So, The reunion obviously has been filmed, you know, right? No, I didn’t know that. Oh,
it has?
No, I don’t. So that’s the thing I was going to ask you guys. Has it been filmed or no? I don’t think so. I think they shoot it the
week it airs. Well, they tried to do that live one in season four. That was a disaster when the, it didn’t air for like three hours after technical difficulties and stuff.
They haven’t done a live one since, but they shoot it, I believe. It’s very similar to how they would shoot like a tell all for bachelor or bachelorette. So, but I think they shoot it and it airs within a week
because it’s airing on the 30th. So next week is the finale or one episode. And then at the end of the following Wednesday, October 30th is the reunion show.
So you’re saying they film it close to the 30th. I believe
so. Yeah.
Yeah. That’s also like
a problem with it is that it’s shot a year after all of this stuff has happened. And so everyone is pretty much already buried the hatchets with. They’re conflicts,
which is interesting to me because obviously when you deal with bachelor nation, these people have to deal with three and a half, four months from the time filming ends till after the final rose night.
And even people in bachelor nation, fans of bachelor nation are like, God, that’s so long to keep a secret. These people got to keep a secret for a year. Now, obviously their friends and family know, and maybe that’s how stuff gets out. There probably is a site out there that does cover this and knows what couples are still together and what aren’t, but my gosh, a full year for this show.
Why don’t they turn it around quicker? I don’t understand. Is there a reason they’ve ever given?
It, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. That’s the reason I think they did this in the first season and it took them a year to decide. I think Netflix had to decide like where they were going to program it, how they were going to air it.
They had all that time to cut it. And they were just like, yep, this system works. Let’s keep doing it forever. And I don’t think like until the ratings go down or something, I don’t think they would ever change that because the, the degree of difficulty that’s required to actually pull off something like that to shoot and air it like in a, a faster kind of turnaround cycle.
I think it’s just like to them, not worth the effort if it’s already doing so well, you know?
So Lizzie, do you know how filming schedule works? Like the next season, I’m assuming just based off of how the sick for seven seasons have gone, it looks like they released one around October and then they released one in March.
So this was filmed DC was filmed October of 2023 starts airing in October of 2024, the next season, which I believe is Minneapolis season eight or is Denver season. I.
I don’t know which one is next, but they, they have a bunch in the, in the can already. So I’m just waiting for that to come out.
Okay.
I had found out that they were all hanging out at a specific bar in Minneapolis that I tried to go and check out.
Here’s a question I have about filming and no, I just, I totally blanked. I thought I had one about filming, but the next one I’m assuming is coming out in March and it was probably filmed.
Yeah, March or February. Sometimes they come out at Valentine’s Day. Okay,
I don’t like that. They that it’s not on for a lot of the year too. It’s like, I, I would prefer they didn’t dump so many episodes at once. Because then it’s like, I’m going to get spoiled by people like Chad who are staying up till midnight and then watching all 4 episodes.
Do they usually, is it always. Six, then three, then two, then one, or some variation of that. Is that how they usually do
variation? But this is more episodes than they’ve ever dropped before. Usually it’s four, three, two, one. This, this season, I think we’ll have more episodes than the prior ones have had.
Gotcha. All right. So we got, we cover Leo and Brittany. When you, when you say
about the UK version, they had 14 out of the possible 15 couples get engaged on the most recent UK love is blind, but they only still followed whatever, six, five. So how do you follow only
six or, or they only brought six to the honeymoon phase?
Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.
All right. Makes sense. I, we think they should have followed all 14.
Yeah. To me, it was like, you have this season that may never happen again in the history of this show where you’re, you’re batting like, you know, 900, basically you, you are obligated. I felt like to follow all those couples and see how it turned out, but they did not do that.
Yeah.
All right. Let’s move on to the couples that made it to the honeymoon phase. And we’ll, we’ll start at the bottom. At least this is what I think is the bottom and that’s Steve, Steven and Monica.
Yeah.
My impression of Steven is this. I think that he self sabotaged the relationship. I think he wanted out, but didn’t want to be honest about wanting out and say like, you know what, I shouldn’t have done this.
I think he intentionally I don’t think he said like, I’m going to leave my phone out and hope she reads it. And I just think he didn’t care. He didn’t care about getting caught. And I felt he wanted out of the relationship and this was his way of getting out because you can’t be that stupid to go on a show like this and get engaged.
No, you’re being filmed at all times during the day and not think that you sexting another woman while you’re drunk at a sleep test is going to fly. One might think that, I don’t know. I mean, what is your thought on Steven?
I mean, yeah, he, it was a massive error, obviously. And then the way he handled it in the end by being like, well, I guess that’s it.
And she’s like, you owe me 400. And he Venmoed her that now is coming out on social media as well. She has like the Venmo receipt and stuff. I just think that he, and he’s also kind of embracing the villain role. On his own social media. He’s kind of like, yeah, black spider man
suit that he put. Yeah.
All of that.
So I don’t know that he cares so much about it, but I also don’t know that this was like an overt strategy of his, I think he’s fine to like not get married and whatever’s going to happen. Maybe he’s looking to try and get on perfect match in the next iteration or something. I have no idea. But I don’t know that it was a pre planned strategy.
It actually doesn’t look like there’s a lot of that happening to me this season. It just looks like a bunch of bad play from the guys.
I mean, when you saw it and you saw how they broke up, I mean, you had to have been there just shaking your head like, What are these people thinking? What, how did you think this, what you weren’t going to get caught on this?
I mean, I, I do think that the female players tend to be a lot better at controlling the narrative than the male players. It is an interesting dynamic in love is blind because you have essentially. You either are in a happy couple or one person is going to be victimized. And you’re kind of fighting for who is going to be the victim.
Who’s going to be the villain. If it’s a couple, that’s not working out. I’m thinking about deep D from actually both of the hosts of out of the pods where he got huge victimization edits. This is the love is blind podcast or one of the love is buying podcasts. And You know, if you can do that well, you can get a million followers and you don’t have to get married.
I, I don’t know enough about the pods of these, of these shows and who, and who hosts them, but this is. When I saw Steven and I saw him go through everything and I saw him, I think this is also to a point that Chad brought up earlier is all of a sudden at the end of, I think that was, was that the end of seven or eight that that Steven and Monica. I believe, oh, eight. Okay.
Yeah.
Again, it was something that came out of the blue because all of a sudden. Garrett and Taylor were with her. She was crying. They were on the couch and we see Stephen in the kitchen and I thought, wait, are they in two different places? And Stephen just walks out from out of the kitchen.
Right by them when all three of them are sitting on the couch Monica’s crying and We never see her discovering the text. I think that would have been obviously added to it At least we got the story of exactly what happened my chat My question to you chat is this before that scene ever aired. Had you ever heard of a sleep test in your life?
I hadn’t I don’t know what that was. I had never heard of that
in my life. I’m into some weird shit Okay. Astral projections and lucid dreaming and all that kind of stuff. So yes, I’m well aware of sleep tests and all that, but I, to me, it’s just like sloppy producing when they don’t have these pivotal scenes that decide the fate of some of these relationships and you don’t even get to see what happened and it has to be told through kind of a backstory or some kind of peripheral piece of information.
I just think it’s bad producing. Also, I would say the way that they shoot the show, it’s not 24 hours a day. There are multiple day periods where these couples can get together, devise strategy, script out scenes. If they want to, what are we going to do when the cameras are on? You even see it a little bit with Nick and Hannah, where he’s saying like, they have some conversations about like, we agreed not to say that on camera.
Right. And they get that on camera, but they don’t, you know, get the other kind of like plotting. I think there’s just like, there’s a A huge gap in the production of this show that allows the players to kind of like do these important things off camera and to potentially strategize about what they will do on camera.
Yeah, we saw that from many of the fights. We saw that for the Tyler kids conversation. We saw that for the other couple where they then have to recap and be like, Oh, we got in a heated fight and she called him a name. Yeah. And you’re like, well, was this on camera or wasn’t it? Why didn’t we see it? It is frustrating.
And I don’t, I don’t know if they can get around it because they probably aren’t allowed into people’s workplaces. But I do think covering them 24 seven would help a lot.
The other thing about Steven and Monica that I found interesting is Monica goes on Nick Vial’s podcast. And kind of explains like, I don’t think he’s a bad guy.
Now, granted, this is the other thing that makes it a year later. I don’t think a lot of these people hold grudges a year later, even if they have broken up clearly Monica and Steven are not together. But Monica goes on Nick’s podcast, says all this stuff about, don’t think he’s a bad guy, but he definitely screwed up.
Don’t want to be with him. You will see more at the reunion show. And, you know, cause I want some questions answered, but then the episode aired, like Nick had her on. Before that episode aired and then the episode already brought her on again, literally days later and she kind of went into it a little bit more, but it sounds like we will be hearing more at the reunion and then seeing Monica on the episode last night where she was telling the other women, like, not a bad guy.
We talked for two hours and now do you want him back? Are you going to try? No, no, no, no, I don’t, I don’t want to be with him. I think he’s a nice guy, but. Screwed up too bad and, and, you know, they’re done. It will be interesting to see them on the reunion because I, I’m curious to what he says. I do believe Monica when she says, I question whether or not he actually really wanted to get married out of this process.
My thought process is no, he didn’t. He never did. He tried to convince himself he did, but I don’t think he was ever serious about getting married. Yeah, the
sleep study. I’m supposed to do a sleep study because I think I have sleep apnea. At least for mine, it’s a device you take home. They don’t monitor you in a clinic, but maybe for severe sleep apnea.
And I read that if you are doing some sort of sleep test, you can’t be drunk because it would affect exactly what they’re trying to do. To discover it and they’re trying to figure it out. So he’s, so that’s why I think she said, I don’t believe him. He seems to be lying to me. And people are just like, yeah, you can’t go to a sleep test and get drunk because that defeats the, defeats the whole purpose of a sleep test.
Right.
So I don’t know. I mean, is he telling the truth?
I, no, I don’t believe he is. But you don’t think he was drunk. I think he. I don’t think he was at the sleep. I think he took a sleep test at some point in that general timeline, but not that night. I think he was probably doing something else. But I do think this reunion is going to be wild.
Have you ever watched any of these reunions? I love
his last seasons. Yeah. Okay.
So last seasons you saw Nick and Vanessa Lachey, they sometimes play the role of like moral superiority for the show on behalf of the show. So when they brought out that guy Trevor. Who had essentially come into the show with a girlfriend at the time, and it was all fake and blah, blah, blah, they invited that guy.
He was on perfect match season two, but they sit him down and they have Nick and Vanessa Lachey be like, now, how dare you defile the sanctity of what we’re trying to do here in this experiment. And it’s like, you knew about all of this producers. They’re going to do the exact same thing with Steven.
Probably with Tyler making him explain the kids, they’re going to have Nick and Vanessa Lachey sitting there and being like, how could you have done this? Meanwhile, the producers knew the whole time and didn’t tell specifically in Tyler’s case, didn’t tell Ashley anything about the kids.
Here’s my guess for his defense.
I think he’s going to say, I was trying to protect the kids from this whole thing.
Sure.
That’s my guess. I mean, but that’s kind of something you need
to bring up to someone you’re about to propose to. They shouldn’t know you have three kids. And she asked him a direct
question this last episode. She’s like, do they know what you look like?
And he said, no, I know. He did. He say, no, I fucking zoomed this in, slowed it down. You see his eyes dart down into the left, which is a sign of deceit right when the question is asked. So he’s displaying these kinds of micro expressions that are deceitful. He is lying directly to her face. There are literal photographs of him with the children online.
Now that’s like, they’re looking at you. I think they can see you. Yeah. He said, I don’t,
I wrote it down. He said, I don’t think so. It’s like, he’s just flat out. Why? So we’ll, we’ll get to them. I mean, it, it reminds me of bachelor
because it’s like, How do you think you’re going to get away with this? These guys going on the show, the demonstrator, the guy, what’s guy’s last name?
Ganser. Guy Ganser.
When I, it’s a level of confidence. I’m so shocked by.
It’s not confidence. I think it’s ignorance. I tell all the players that I ever coach when, when they are about to go into this game, it’s kind of one of the final things we talk about. It’s like, all right, you can still make the decision not to go in, but if you do go in, this is what’s going to happen.
Everything you’ve ever put online, everything you’ve ever done or said to anyone is fair game for a tick tock or receipts or anything like your life can be turned upside down. So if there’s some shit you’re trying to keep secret, do not go into this. And I don’t think producers ever tell any of these players that because they like the drama, obviously, but I think it’s just ignorance.
I think these people think, ah, whatever, I’ll go in and see what happens. And then they wind up. I tried to have it sealed. Yeah.
He definitely knew there would be consequences if it came out, but I think it’s a confidence that like. It’s not gonna come out.
I hate to kind of stop down here because I just got a text about this.
Oh Were you ever a One Direction fan Lizzie?
No, is that Harry Styles?
Yeah, that’s the Harry Okay There’s
one where it’s about there’s a music video where it’s about their family and they show like their Grandparents and stuff and it made me cry
Okay, but it just apparently just came down One Direction star Liam I don’t know if you remember which one Liam was.
No, that’s Niall. Damn it. But Liam has died after a fall in Argentina. One Direction star Liam paid debt at 31 after falling to his death in Buenos Aires. Oh my god. Anyway that just came down. I saw it and I’m just like, cause my nephew texted me and said, one of the wrong direction guys died. And so I just looked it up.
It’s the front story of us magazine. So that’s going to be terrible. Major news. Yeah. All right. Next couple I want to get to Alex and Tim. So their first troubles started in. Mexico. By the way, question about honeymoons.
Yeah.
Does this show always go to Mexico and is always the same resort or it’s just always Mexico and a different resort or it’s different places that always
been Mexico?
I think it has been primarily Mexico, mostly Mexico,
different resorts though.
Okay. Yeah. I think at the
Minneapolis one where they went in Mexico.
Okay. So we first see Tim and Alex’s first problem happening, happening in Mexico during the honeymoon phase. But yet again, something that was caught or something that happened off camera, we see them talking about it the next day.
And apparently it was an argument where she called Tim a name, or maybe she, he, he’s very big on respect, you know, respect me. She disrespected him in some way. He walked out that night and I guess never came back. And when he came back and they filmed that conversation, that was the first time she had seen him since he had left.
But that had to
have been on camera because it’s during the honeymoon phase, right? You would think. Why would they show us that?
In my opinion, from what I, I kind of witnessed during the course of their relationship, the problem started really in the conversation where he was calling himself a dog. Every fifth word.
And she did not like that. She’s like, please stop saying dog. And he’s like, but why I’m a dog. I’m a dog that there’s something in their dynamic where he needs to exert control. He needs to be like, you can’t tell me what to do. I’m going to keep saying dog, dog, dog, dog, dog. That then kind of evolves into this thing that we, we finally see culminate in the end of their relationship where he feels this.
That like, he’s not being respected because the things he wants in the relationship are not being met and to, to a ludicrous proportion. Like she took a nap, you know, and he gets all blown out of proportion about that. But yeah, I agree that that thing that whatever that conversation was, whatever that insult was is exactly what I’m talking about.
Why don’t we see that? Why isn’t that on camera? It’s kind of the pivotal moment in their relationship where it all starts to unravel and we don’t ever even get to see it. How can we judge anything?
And I think there was a, it was a, Tim is a very interesting guy because the guy has no highs and no lows.
I mean, he is just like, and I, and I feel like even in this levelness that he has, where he never raised his voice at her, but he was very. He can be very condescending in the way he speaks to her, but yet he doesn’t raise his voice. So he thinks, I guess it makes him feel like he’s in the right or something.
But that conversation last night, where we find out once again, something that we didn’t see her taking a nap after she met his family, which was a big deal to him. And she says, well, you didn’t tell me you know, you didn’t let me know. And then just, it seems like, again, I don’t know if this is a guy that maybe that’s something deeper there, and maybe he just didn’t see.
He didn’t break off an engagement with Alex because she took a nap. Clearly there’s deeper issues there. Maybe it’s their horrible communication. Who knows how she took it.
Maybe she was just like, F you his parents. Like I just like fell asleep.
You know, I think the show. The way the game of it is set up is basically like, you have to kind of make a decision.
If you’re going to marry this person, when you see them. And I think maybe he made the decision then that he wasn’t going to. And then for the rest of the time, you’re basically looking for your out. How are you going to orchestrate a viable way to dissolve this so that you don’t look like an asshole? I think he made an error there because he did look like an asshole, but he has, I agree with what you’re saying, you know, he has this kind of monotone delivery, but I saw him as having two modes.
One is the dog where he’s like joking around and kind of teasing her. Then the other one is this, like, he doesn’t use contractions. He’ll be like, I do not think we should not be in this, and it’s this very like precise way of speaking so that every word is clear and he can’t be misconstrued. But like you’re saying, in doing that, it comes across very condescending and all the times when he’s like, can I please finish?
Do you want to hear what I have to
say?
It was terrible. I think he came across as. Definitely the person we’re not rooting for in that relationship.
They both seem to hate each other. And I would say the same thing about the little boy, the couple where she’s like, I made you a man from a boy.
Yeah.
Well, that couple also seem to hate each other. I thought they do well because they were religious. And I, a lot of the religious couples, I feel like are. Kind of better at this game, or they’re more used to like agreeing to get married quickly, or
it was just a very, very cold ending. Look, I get you don’t want to be married to her and you’re not going to propose to her, but I wish you the best of luck.
And I never want to see you again. And he just gets up and leaves like that was pretty harsh. It was something that, like I said, there has to have been more than her taking a nap and then just not communicating. Yes.
I don’t think those things had anything to do with it. I think for him, it was literally an issue of control.
And that is what I feel like he expressed in those final moments was like, I am controlling the situation. I’m the one telling you this will never work. And now I’m the one leaving the conversation as well. It was just about. He felt like in this situation, he didn’t have control. And that’s part of what the situation is.
You don’t really have control. You meet this person that you don’t see for a week, and then you, you see them. And now you have to decide if you’re going to marry them, legally bind yourself to them, financially bind yourself to them for the rest of your life or until divorce. And I think he just felt like, I got to get out of here.
I got to take control. And maybe he thought in his mind, he would be perceived as kind of the winner. Did you notice the hat? He was wearing a baseball cap in the final scene and had a little cartoon dog on it.
No, I didn’t. Love that. There was a guy who dressed only in American flag outfits one year.
That was season four, I think.
No, it was five.
Well, it’s funny because in the coverage of The Bachelor and Bachelorette that we do, we always talk about just the concept of the show is rather Preposterous because while you do spend eight weeks together, you’re also dating numerous other people. And the amount of actual one on one time you get with that person is very, very limited, and yet you’re supposed to propose to them at the end and people just like, why can’t they just agree to date?
And you know, we can debate that until the end of time, but this process and this concept of the show is, I mean, just as ridiculous and preposterous and flimsy. It’s just like. You now have to marry somebody that you’ve never seen in your life. And I understand they want to make it about, Oh, we don’t want to make relationships about looks and stuff like that, but I’m sorry, you can only do so much in a pod because when I watched the pod episodes and for two years, I’ve said this in the two seasons that I’ve watched, the pod episodes are very hard for me to watch because I feel like all these people are putting on an act and just saying things that they know the other person wants to hear because they want to be dating.
Someone that’s, but, but they know it’s being televised and they know what the idea and what it can be after the fact, the fact that it is on television. If, if this show was, if, if love is blind was being done without cameras, but it was still being done the same way, pods, not being able to see somebody. I don’t think anybody would propose to anybody at the end of this thing, just because it’s the television show.
Idea of it, like, Hey, wait, if I proposed to her and they might focus on us as a couple, we get a honeymoon, we get to go back and live. And then I can, you know, like you said, plan my out on something like this. It’s just, I feel like these people in the pods just say so much. Everybody agrees with everything.
Everybody else says like, Oh, you like to, you know, hunt wild boar. Oh my God, I do too. That’s exactly what I did last weekend. And it’s just. It just seems like it’s so contrived. It’s I just, that’s the game.
That’s reality TV in general, especially ones shows that are like the, the premise of them is you have to find your soulmate bashful, including this, any of the day ones.
It’s what I’m watching it for is like pro wrestling that person on screen. Is some percentage, their actual selves and some percentage, this heightened version of themselves that they are purposely projecting for reality television to pop off that screen, to maybe get their million followers, you know, whatever the case may be.
I don’t, I mean, there’s no genuine reality TV show, but that’s what I like about it because especially in this one, when you start saying like, Oh shit, the pressure of like, we’re going to be legally married in a minute. And I don’t know if this is a real person or not. Like this may be a complete act, They have to gauge that too.
That to me is what is like brilliant about the show.
I don’t know what you guys are talking about. I think 14 out of 15 of those couples in love is buying UK. We’re soulmates. Yeah.
The truth of it is like, all you need is one or two huge success stories to come out of it. And love is blind has that every few seasons, some super a couple pops off, people love them.
They’re together. They’re married, they’re becoming social media, jugg knots,
there’s babies, now
babies, like all of that. So, you know, they, they don’t have to have a hundred percent success rate. But I think Love is Blind has, I mean, way more couples per season than Bachelor has ever had. And obviously that’s because there’s, you know, mathematically more couples than can come out of, like there’s only one couple that can come out of any given season of bachelor.
Bachelorette Love is buying can produce up to six, we’ll say, wow. Pilot
Pete season. Oh,
damn. Yeah, but you know what I’m, I’m, I’m saying. And so, you know, they have that to fall back on. Like the, the in quotes experiment is technically a success.
All right. I want to move on to Nick and Hannah. Because we saw their demise happen last night, although it was, it seemed like it was something that was brewing for a while.
Yeah.
And Hannah is another one. I did not listen to the episode because I don’t support anything that bio does, but I did see,
I
did see the E online story that condensed Hannah appearing on the bio files podcast.
Okay.
And. Her basic assumption, and this, and this came, you know, Nick once again, interviewed somebody before the episode where their demise happened.
So I don’t know if he’s going to have Hannah on again, like he did Monica, but basically it came down to Hannah realized watching the episodes back. I don’t realize how I come across talking to men or talking to people because. She didn’t seem to, she didn’t think it was as bad herself, but she realizes now she has to change the way she speaks to her partner because she was like the female version, at least in my eyes of Tim.
She was very condescending. She constantly put her partner down. She never uplifted him. And. Maybe he did fib a little about a kicking career in college. , first off, he was calling himself a punter in the pods. Wait, what? He never punted in college. He was a field goal kicker. It’s a difference. Yeah.
Interesting. And he went to William and Mary, so it’s not like he played FBS. He didn’t play division one. He went to William and Mary. He was a kicker. And then he says a pro career in the XFL. He never kicked once in the SFL, so, okay. He exaggerated a lot about himself, whatever he exaggerated. I think when, once he started talking about athlete kicker college division one, she had a vision physically in her head that when they met each other, he said, I look like Henry
Calville.
Yeah, not quite.
Not quite.
I think that was a good play though, because of the, the Megan Fox thing got so much traction last season that I’m like, I don’t know, maybe just, you should always say it and it’ll at least get people talking.
As kind of mean as she might’ve been to him though, I will say there were little moments that they, Included in his edit that kind of like pierce straight through that thing of like, he is on this to get famous.
He there was some moment where he told her he had a brand back home And he didn’t want to have this conversation on camera and this is how they should do this on camera I think she
comes off pretty well Actually, like I think there’s going to be a lot of fans of hers in the in the audience watching But
wasn’t he the one that said I don’t want to talk about our sex life on camera Isn’t
that the couple?
Oh, actually, I, I blocked that out. Actually she’s gonna, it’s not going to look good when she said he refuses to eat pussy. Yeah. I agree.
Yeah. So that conversation where she was literally having it on the the episode last night. Yeah. She blew his life
up. Like forget what he’s going to look like on the show.
Any woman who has ever seen this TV show ain’t going to date him now. Yeah.
And she was, I mean, she went in hard because she was, she didn’t just say it like flippantly. She was just like, I need my needs met. And then they were talking about vibrators and then she was like, yeah, he doesn’t eat pussy. And, and then she said something else and I rewound it twice and I couldn’t make out what she was saying, but it was along those lines.
I think
She said something like I have to use my vibrator. He’s jealous of my vibrator or something like that.
And I just, you know, I, am I surprised that they didn’t make it down the altar? No. They just didn’t seem to mesh very well. That conversation in the bar with her friends was a total disaster for him, for her.
It went
really well. Yeah. She loved it. She’s right. You need to do everything. She says you’re making way too much. Yeah, follow her every word.
Yeah. And I was just like, okay, I get why those two didn’t make it. She’s obviously had a, a glow up since this show. I’m sure you’ve seen her Instagram. She’s dropped at least, I don’t know how many pounds it is, but I would say at least 30 to 40, if I had to guess.
They really focused on their physical bodies a lot especially how long their bones were. And it was a pretty big topic of conversation. The height thing.
Yeah. The height thing as
well.
Coming from him though. That even in this last episode with them, he was like, Like every time they were standing next to each other or somebody else showed up, Oh, you’re taller than me too.
You’re taller than me too. The interesting thing about this season to me is we track obviously like their Instagram followers and stuff. Nobody at least at the time of this recording has cracked a hundred K. The closest one to it is Taylor. Who’s in the nineties somewhere. Everybody else is hovering around like 30 K the top people.
And I just, I don’t know. I don’t know. Has that not happened?
I think Taylor’s probably played the best season of anyone.
Yeah. Usually you see people creeping up into the high hundreds of thousands. Last season, you had Jess Festall who has cracked over a million, obviously, but she wound up on perfect match season two.
And prior to that, it’s usually like your hero players. Like I remember Brett Brown and Tiffany Pennywell and season four or five, whatever that was, they were like, They both were in the like five to 600 K range. You usually have at least one or two players there. And like you said, you know, we got the finale next week and then a reunion.
Maybe that’ll bump somebody up, but the numbers are really dismal and they were for love is blind UK season one, which just aired a few months ago as well. There was only one or two people who cracked a hundred K.
Two people from perfect who are going on perfect match, right? Freddie, the funeral guy. And who else?
I forget her name. The,
The Irish lady. Who is with that guy? Oh,
yeah.
I forget her name. I
thought they were going the distance.
I did too. It broke my heart. Anyway neither here nor there, but I, I just thought it’s like an interesting thing to note that as insane as this season is in terms of like the ups and downs and the drama behind the scenes and who has the kids and who likes to do what in the bedroom, they’re not getting the, the social media engagement that I thought it would generate.
Yeah. I, when I watched Nick and Hannah last night. Yesterday I was just like, okay, I get it. They probably weren’t meant for each other. I do think that she was not the most supportive of him, her list, you know,
committed to memory. He’d like rattled off all five points verbatim when they got in there.
Respect, delusional, social awareness, maturity, confidence versus ego. And she said, like, this was her speech, this was her speech yesterday for those, it was those five, six things. Those five concerns that I have are still there. They never went away ever because you kept repeating the same action. Social awareness.
I do not see. Respect. You have none. Ego versus confidence. I feel like you need, I need to stroke your ego for you to be happy and feel like you say you’re an extremely confident person and I make you unconfident when it’s just ego and it’s just delusion. It’s just like, you can’t just see how I feel and it’s just like, that’s harsh.
I don’t know how. I don’t know, maybe women will support her and be like, You go girl, you, you don’t settle for anything. I don’t know, I thought she was a bitch. Honestly, I thought she was very, he was very, very, she was too hard on it. I, not that I think that Nick is perfect by all means. No, I mean, he’s 28 years old.
He’s living in his parents basement. I, that was the biggest red flag for me, like, what are you doing? We know
nothing of any of these people’s real relationships from, but from what we saw, it did seem like she was responding in an exaggerated way to the situation. Like when he got on that little animal at the beach.
And then there was a drunk lady who came in and they like raced and then she was upset about that. From how it’s depicted, it seemed like it was not.
But I have no real idea who these people are or what they’re really like. I just am watching the plays they’re making in this game. And I will say there was a moment in the in the list thing where he was like, I have responsibilities.
I’m a grown adult. And she’s like, what are your responsibilities? He’s like. Feeding the dog, taking out the trash, mowing the lawn. It’s like stuff you do in junior high to get an allowance.
The thing, the thing you mentioned Lizzie about the when they were on the honeymoon, she brought it up again last night when she was talking to the women, like she had the, or maybe it was her friends, but talking about the ick that she had when he rode a duck. And I was just like, that seems so insignificant in a relationship that she was put off by him going and.
He wanted to go have fun with a stupid duck in Mexico. Like it wasn’t, and I didn’t even think that woman was even hitting on him. He was just being friendly with a stranger. That was what it was. She
was just trying to get on TV.
She saw some TV cameras like, Oh, love is blind. Let me go ahead and get right in this show.
But she was like, I was just so surprised at how Hannah reacted to that.
Yeah.
Whole duck situation. It just,
yep.
I, she, she rubbed me the wrong way. And it sounded like when she went on Nick’s podcast, based on what I read, that she realized watching the show back, she has to change the way that she treats her partner.
Like talks to her partner.
Wrong. I think in this game to dissolve a relationship, if you don’t want to get married. That’s, that’s part of the game, but that’s a play you can make, but for whatever reason, all the players this season who are dissolving the relationship seem to need to take this kind of like moral high ground.
I’m the good guy here. You did something bad. This is your fault. You’re not enough for me or whatever, whatever. And it’s just the wrong tack. Like what a breakup should be in this show is listen, I really fell in love with you, but part of this process is getting out in the real world and seeing how we mesh when we live together and all of this.
And there are just some things that I think. Make me feel like we are not ready to take this step and I’m sorry, but that’s how it has to be. That’s it. That’s all you got to do. And you don’t come across as an asshole. And it’s like, nobody can fault you for that because it is a crazy situation. We always say in bachelor, like there’s a good defense always.
If you blame it on the process for whatever reason you’ve done, whatever you’ve done, this situation is so crazy. I’m not behaving like myself. That’s all you have to ever do. And, and you’re kind of exonerated, but they just seem to not do it.
It’s just, it definitely seems like somebody has to come out as, especially on the breakups on the show, which are expected.
Like when people do make it on the show, you’re, you realize you’re the exception. You’re not the norm here. Like if you make it out of this process. So yeah, moving, moving on to this couple, this one is I know Chad, you know more about this than I do. Cause I know you’ve pretty much done a deep dive on this.
I want to talk about Tyler and Ashley. I think, you know, more about the backstory than I do. I I’ve done little digging on this. I did see what his, do we call it the woman who he was the sperm donor for? Do we call her? A baby, is she his baby mama? Is that what we would call her? The mother of his children?
What do we call? I mean, it’s not,
I don’t know. I mean, technically, yes, this is the mother of the children that were produced using his sperm. But I don’t like
every time.
Yeah. I mean, I guess the mother of his children technically, but like, he’s not, Their father, that woman is in a relationship with another woman and they’re raising those kids as parents.
He I mean, he’s there. We see him in the videos and the pictures and stuff. He has some role in their life that he’s not being completely truthful about in the show, but I don’t believe he’s like their father, you know, I mean, technically, I don’t know. She’s putting sperm
babies in quotes, which is definitely like.
Well, then, okay. So it’s something in the middle or
I mean, he knows this woman. He did this because they’re friends.
Yeah, but I mean, technically you are the father. If you, if you produce the sperm that attaches to the egg that produces a baby, aren’t you the father of that child? Even if you’re not in relationship with that.
Yeah, you’re the biological father, right?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. He’s that, but I, I, we don’t know like the degree to which he’s in their
father in sense of what his role is. Yeah.
Symbolic father or whatever you want to call it. Biological versus symbolic fatherhood. But I mean, he, he is in their lives, like I said, more than he is leading Ashley to believe.
And, and where it all falls for me is like, how much did the producers know? Cause that is something that I think no one’s really talking about in this. Tyler’s getting all the heat for it. And rightly so he’s lying directly to her face on camera, but I can’t imagine the producers didn’t know he had these children and they may claim that.
And if they didn’t, then they’ve done a horrible job at producing the show because you’re asking people to come into the situation, potentially legally get married to someone. And if you know that information, you you’re obligated, I think, to tell the person if you don’t. Then you’ve done a very bad job and they do know it because at some point on camera, he tells her that he has three children.
They, at that point, then the producers, I believe are obligated to look into that situation and deliver her whatever information they find, but they clearly didn’t do that.
I think it’s like raising a very interesting, like philosophical question of what. Role producers have in telling the truth to these people.
Like if they did know about the kids, should they have been obligated to tell them? It’s like when you’re filming a documentary and it’s like, how much do you interfere with the subjects or like whatever you see going on?
But this isn’t a documentary. They created the situation that they’re putting these people in telling them, we’re going to try and help you through this experiment that we are doing, help you find your soulmate.
I think if. They knew if Ashley can somehow find that out. And if those two people do wind up getting married, I think she has a lawsuit.
But where’s the line in terms of like, Oh, he didn’t say he had kids or he said that this was a mutual breakup with this person. Like, I don’t know. It’s it’s very interesting.
I mean, it’s very interesting
just as a woman and knowing that. And engagement is on the table, possibly on this show. I think if Tyler mentions this in the pods, I don’t think he gets, I don’t think any woman in that pod accepts an engagement of saying that you had, if he was honest in the pods, I don’t know if Ashley would have felt the same way.
I think she might’ve said, you know, maybe. Thank you for telling me, but not for me. You know, I don’t want to marry into this. And like, yeah, I mean, I think that should
be a decision people make on their own. Like I, she needs to know that there’s kids, it should be mentioned pretty much upfront on your dating profile, whatever.
It’s a big, and if Tyler doesn’t
mention it, you’re saying somebody should step in and tell her before an exit, before an engagement is accepted. Okay.
I would say before the final wedding. Is is done before they have to go to the altar. I
think she needs to know before someone before she says yes to a proposal.
Yes. I agree. Ideally. Yes. But she, the proposal itself doesn’t legally bind her to this man. That’s where I think it gets into this area where like, once you’re saying this person is going to be legally bound to him until death, et cetera, and it intertwines their money. Like there’s so much legal stuff that goes on with a marriage.
I think the producers, if they knew are obligated to give her all that information. And if they, they didn’t know. Like fine, but they did when he said it. And at that point, I think they’re legally obligated or should be to look into that situation and deliver the truth to her because he’s still lying to her.
And they’re just allowing it to happen. I mean, my take on it is they had to have known. I think there’s no way they didn’t. If they’re not doing it
before the pods even started, they knew Tyler had three kids as well.
Yeah. I have to imagine they do a similar kind of background check to bachelor and they would have found they’re
really good at those.
Well, I mean, there’s, there’s a whole other conversation to be had there about how much they have known about all these things and been like, Oh, we don’t know. We didn’t know about any of this. It’s like, really? You didn’t. Yeah. I think they probably did.
So that’s, that’s where I am with, with with, with these two, Tyler and Ashley, I’m just like, I guess, like you said, the engagement is just, it’s just words.
I mean, obviously you’re not bound to anything as just an engagement from what I heard. I think I saw Tyler maybe was scrolling through my Tik TOK and it showed up on my, he did some interview with some podcast. Thank God it wasn’t Nick. And he does. And I, and I did see a clip of him saying, I did not want to tell her this on camera.
But she wanted the conversation about it after I told her she wanted it on camera. So that’s why you guys saw the result, which is, which is very smart on her part. But again, it came out of nowhere and we’re just like, Whoa, what is this about? And then the other thing is what’s going on on like, there’s two shows going on is what we’re seeing on love is blind.
And then what’s happening on social media, which you’re very familiar with. So the, the mother of his children, her name is Brie. But at the time of this, see, this is where I don’t know something and maybe you know it. At the time of the sperm donation, the time she had these three children, the woman that she is, the woman that Bree is with now, is it the same woman she was with at the time?
Because I was hearing there’s an ex fiance of the woman. Of Brie, or maybe there’s an ex fiancee of Tyler. I’m so confused.
I’m a little confused about that too, I guess. I don’t know what her relationship status is or if she’s with the person that the, he donated the sperm for them to have. I have no idea.
Yeah. I just have gotten into what Brie has posted on her social media, which is the photos and videos of Tyler. With these children at the very Christmas that he claimed he spent alone in the show. And then just yesterday she posted something to her Instagram story. She has since taken those photos and videos down or archived them, but she posted some text on her Instagram story, basically saying, Tyler, if you don’t come clean about everything, I’m going to expose.
All of it. And you don’t want that. What that means. I have no idea. I don’t, I don’t know what other. Yeah.
And we get, and we get it that Tyler probably can’t say anything until after October 30th until after the reunion show airs. Maybe he will come a little bit more clean on the reunion show about what his situation is.
It’s so messy to have an
Instagram story directed at him. Yeah. I know. I mean,
I talked about it. Yeah. I talked about it in my, in my podcast this morning, I read exactly what she wrote on her two Instagram stories. You know, you better clear everything up or I will expose everything. As I’ve stated previously, really trying hard not to say anything because I have to be strong for my children, but I will not allow my name to continuously be drugged through the mud like this.
I did not ask for this and the kids and I definitely do not deserve any of it. All caps. Please do not make me take it there, Tyler. All caps. So something is hot. Like, what is he still not telling? Cause he’s, he’s come clean to Ashley and said, sperm donor, three kids, friend of mine, she’s gay. What you said last night, the, the, the the episode last night where she, at where Ashley directly asked him.
Do you know what the kids look like? He says and he says, or do they know that you look like or Do the kids know what you look like? And he says, I don’t think so. I’m like,
yeah. It’s like their eyes were opens in all those photos.
Yeah. , we also gotta remember right
at you.
We also gotta remember he said this a year ago to her.
Yeah. We’re watching something that happened in October of 2023. So, but the that, do you think they’ll even go to the reunion?
I think yeah, 100%. I think if the producers are smart right now, they’re trying to get breathe there too. Yeah, I would, they should absolutely have her come out. But I mean those, even though that this was shot a year ago or whatever, those pictures were taken just a few months before that.
It was the Christmas right before they shot. So as he’s being asked that question, it’s even a closer timeline that he was hanging out with those kids.
I, yeah, I’m so fascinated about this guy and what, why he’s, why he’s being so, well, he’s not being secretive because he finally did tell her. And I get that.
He’s like, I didn’t want to reveal that in the pods. Okay. But maybe you should have revealed it before you got proposed before you proposed to her. Okay. You didn’t do that, but now you finally told her, but now you’re still not telling the truth. And now your ex is coming out with, not your ex. The, the mother of your children is coming out with all these threats about you better be honest.
It’s like about what, what do I can’t wait to find out what this is. But again, yeah, I think this is going to be even messier than it has been for 11 episodes. Now. We’re, we’re into the couples now that are going to the altar next week. So now my question to you, we’ll start with you, Lizzie is, do you think Tyler and or Ashley says no at the altar?
I think they ended up getting married. Okay. And if I don’t
see it happening, I mean that she’s not getting the receipts. in the show, at least it seems like. I, I mean, if I were her going through that, I would demand to like, talk to that person, see whatever the sperm donation contract is. Cause pretty much always you make some sort of contract about like, giving up the parental rights, et cetera.
Chad, do you think they’re getting married?
I mean, I always just say no, because that statistically is the best answer, but they do kind of feel like they’re going to, to me. I just, I, it’s like a train wreck is coming, and it’s like, you can get off the train, no, they’re staying on the train, shit, ah, it’s gonna crash.
I, I feel like they will probably still get married, honestly. Okay,
so you need, you need to answer this as someone who’s watched the previous seven, seven seasons. How many have. Gone to the altar and one of them dumped the other one at the altar. How many times has that happened in the history of the show?
U S version.
A large, like more often than not.
So that’s definitely a production thing because you have, you, you can easily be a bigger person and just be like, Hey, I don’t want to put you through this. I, let’s not get mad. Okay. They want
them to be in different spots at the altar. They forced one of my favorite moves of all time was by a player named Micah, who.
It’s an order thing of like who they ask first, you know, like, do you take this person? She goes, I’m gonna let Paul answer first when they asked her play the game.
But those those speeches like on love is blind UK, for example, there was a couple in this. They’ve only done one season of it. It just finished airing not that long ago.
This couple had decided off camera, they weren’t going to get married. They both knew that they showed up at the ceremony and they were kind of amicable about it. And, and they did a speech kind of jointly where the guy said, look, we talked about this, we have like so much love for each other, but we know this isn’t the right thing for us.
Thank you guys all for coming out of our, all of our friends and family, but we’re not going to get married. They deliver that speech and then the producers come in and they’re like actually, we’re going to have you retake that and you’re going to dump her and she’s going to cry. So they made him just act out a scene, basically, so that they would have what they needed for the show.
And
they want that Giannina Ghibelli moment where she runs away from the altar in a wedding dress and jumps in the mud. And
that to me is like. Bachelor suffers from this too. It’s this idea that producers get of like, this is how it must end. If the couple doesn’t get married, one of them must basically destroy the other one and end in tears and a big fight.
And that’s, that’s not what it is. The show love is blind is the experiment. You’ve already done it. You have the premise. All you do now is shoot people going through the premise of your show and whatever happens happens. That’s the show. It’ll give you the drama. You don’t have to manufacture these fake.
Acted moments. And I bachelor suffers from it worse than any franchise does at this point, the overproduction.
I also like whenever Vanessa Lachey is saying, will they get married or will they be forever dumped and broken up? Never see him again. And I’m like, This is clearly a false choice. There’s clearly a choice where they can keep dating.
Well, that’s the thing. I’m just kind of, again, I feel like getting three weddings or three marriages in next week’s finale. I feel like one of them is not happy. Has there been a dumping at every, in every season, at least one?
I think so. Yeah.
So, odds are, one of these three is getting dumped. Probably the
second one we see, I would guess.
Yes, so
let’s get on to the second to last couple. And I first want to ask you this, Lizzie. Lizzie, would you ever be interested in a man with two braids like Ramsey’s?
I’ve been interested in much more. Worse,
I find it fascinating that obviously we couldn’t talk, couldn’t talk about his braids in the pods, but even after Marissa saw Ramsey’s for the first time, I thought that would be the first thing out of her mouth was, Interesting. I’ve never seen this on like in 19, 20, 24. Why do you look like elder barge?
I don’t know why this didn’t become a topic until like, I think it was episode seven or eight, they brought it up during dinner, but so Ramsey’s and Marissa are very, very interesting because yeah, they, I, I know that you had done something about this, Chad, where you thought that their conversation in episode.
And it’s either eight or nine about their military thought process was one of the most interesting, deep dives we’ve ever done into a a, a, on a relationship dating show. You don’t really get many deep conversations, usually very surface level. That one seemed real. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was like, this is.
This is real shit, yet, I almost felt like after listening to it, how the hell are these two staying together? Like, they are so polar opposites on where they stand on this. This seems, this isn’t just a republic, this isn’t a republican democrat thing and, you know, people can stay together as different sides of the political party.
This seems like fundamental Ethics about yourself, your morals, your, your morals and your beliefs. And these two are on totally opposite pages. And I don’t. After that conversation, I was shocked. They stayed together. What was your thought?
Yeah. I mean, it was interesting to me because you, you in bachelor, for example, you know, that’s just the show.
I always compare all these shows too. Cause that was the one that spawned them all. You never see a thing that is critical of the United States military. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Yeah. On Jen trans season, you had Marcus Sjoberg presented as a hero, American flags flying behind him in every shot, et cetera, et cetera, here you have two people, one of whom was in the military, one of whom is actively saying she was in charge of some operations that killed people in foreign countries, both being kind of critical of the military.
She obviously was in it and so has a different viewpoint and it was some of the best years of her life, but now she does kind of question what she did and is that morally correct or whatever. And Ramsey’s is, is just like, I hate the military. If you ever even watch top gun again, we’re through, you know, like, I, I, I thought like it also presents an interesting kind of it’s a step above bachelor in terms of reality with that conversation.
It was nuanced. It was subtle. It wasn’t just like, Oh, you were in the military. Fuck you. We can never talk again. It was like, I get you were in the military, but I’m on this side of that argument. And if you ever go back to it and she’s like, well, I don’t think I will, but. It just provided like a really nuanced conversation about the military and people’s roles in it and how it can affect your life and relationships.
I thought it was great. And, and love is blind does shit like that from time to time conversations about abortions or sex or military politics. I mean, Stephen openly said he voted for Trump in 2016. You’re never going to see anyone say who they voted for on the bachelor.
No, you’ll
just see so refreshing.
Yeah,
exactly. You’ll just see them going to the insurrection.
Yeah, we had a, a whole officer in a gentleman season and they did dates on naval Whatever big naval thing. I thought it would, I, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. And it’s part of what makes love is blind feel so much more modern than bachelor is they are having these discussions.
And like, those are the discussions that are on tick tock right now. You know, there’s a lot of wars going on and like, are they moral and like people looking at. You know, American imperialism a lot differently now, and to see it reflected in the show was just like, I was fascinated.
And the other thing about it was I, I, I didn’t time it, but I feel we got to see literally 10 minutes straight of them talking about the military and their differences.
Maybe, maybe it wasn’t 10, maybe it was six or seven, but I mean, that’s probably. Six and a half to seven minutes more than we would see on anything bachelor related other than, you know, Marcus Schober talking about being in the military and the, you know, the the incident that he had overseas, but, you know, we go from that and I’m, I was shocked that they stay together after that.
Honestly, I just thought that they were so on different pages with that, that ultimately that would be their demise. But then they, you know, they got through it or whatever. We just, that’s how the episode ended. Then the next episode, at the end of the episode, they’re talking about condom sex. And he’s just like, I want to feel good when I have sex.
And she’s just like, but yeah, but I don’t, you know, she wanted to speak. Apparently she sped up her thing about having kids, I guess, in the pod, she said three to five years, and then once they were together and talking about in Mexico, she moved her, her timeline up. Then he was just like, Seeming to basically dismiss the fact that, well, I don’t I.
I don’t want to have sex with condoms. And she’s just like, but I do. Or
yeah,
I thought it was like
two birds with one stone. He doesn’t want to have sex with a condom. She wants to have kids sooner. The compromise is there just to have kids.
I mean, it’s like you
both want the same thing here to me. I agree.
I thought it was a strange conversation from his perspective. He definitely came out. I thought the bad guy in that conversation, it was pretty wild. Again, it’s like, there is something about love is blind that these people like can’t perceive how this is going to look on the biggest reality show on the biggest streaming platform in the world.
It’s like, dude, what are you doing? Even if you think that don’t say it on camera, but he did.
Yeah. And he did. And I’m just like, as Lizzie, when you were watching it as a woman, you’re sitting there going, if this guy was sitting on the couch next to me, and this is the guy is I’m engaged to, and I might be married to in seven, eight, nine days from now, and he’s telling me this again, that was another reason.
I thought these two aren’t, she’s going to break up with them. We’re going to see next episode. Ramses and Marissa are done. And yet they weren’t like, what were you thinking?
Are only seeing their biggest fights. You know, we’re, we’re seeing such a small portion of it. I, but again, I’m like, I welcome these discussions on this show because this is a real thing in relationships and like women being expected to be in charge of the birth control and also only be a tool for a man’s pleasure.
So you know, make your hormones do whatever so that I can, yeah, it’s, it’s like a real conversation that I think comes up a lot and it’s controversial. Yeah. And. You know, we see again, I can’t stop thinking about the bachelor and the Marcus stuff and like certain things that were we’re at play in that the the concept of not liking condoms can be taken in a very, in very different directions.
He just. Possible that was producer manufactured like a lot of the fights that these couples get into. Like if you have a good couple who’s on, who has like a nice trajectory and there’s no real problems in the relationship, producers will come in and say like, well, what’s something you guys could just kind of like have a fake fight about.
They do do that on that show. So that might’ve been one of those.
If I were going on the show, I would manufacture those fights all the time.
Yeah,
well, I think you want, you don’t want it to, to be a straight shot. You want them to overcome obstacles.
I felt like Ramsey’s has come. He came across as such a Neanderthal in that conversation that I, if we’re talking about the three couples heading into the finale next week.
If there is going to be one of them that gets dumped at the altar, this is the couple that I’m not rooting for, but this is, this is the couple I’m saying is not going to, one of them is going to say, I don’t, I’m no, not doing it. And so we, we had the military conversation. Then we had the condom conversation, and then we end episode 11 with what we talked about very early on in this podcast, Ramsey sitting there at the edge of the bed, head in hands.
Marissa comes out of the bathroom and it looks like he’s struggling with his decision and she’s saying things along the lines of you spoke to people, don’t let them get in your head. And you know, we’re two days away, I think at this point from a wedding day. But again, we don’t really know the specifics of what this is about, but I think them leaving us with that Ramsey’s Marissa cliffhanger, I mean, I guess it could be a TV trick where it’s like, Oh, everyone thinks they’re going to break up now, but they are going to end up staying together.
I look at it differently. I think they showed us that for a reason, because they obviously know the end result of Ramsey’s and Marissa. I think they’re done. I think one of them is saying no at the altar. I don’t know which one. Maybe it’s, I, it seems like it’s, it would be if I had to guess, I guess I’d say him because he seems to be the one that’s having the biggest trepidation.
Yeah, I could be, I don’t know. I mean, like I said, statistically, you’re, you’re safe by saying all of them are going to,
but then you have to break it down in terms of, well, who says no. Cause it has there ever been an amicable breakup at the altar?
Yeah, I mean, there has, but then they forced them to reshoot it into a fake.
So it’s, you know, it really boils down to, and the way they, they will do it sometimes as well. Sometimes they’ll let the person who’s like a hundred percent in say yes. And then the other person says no and destroys them. Sometimes they’ll have the first person say no. And I, I would assume maybe sometimes the players change the answer they give to the producers as well.
I don’t know. But yeah, I, I foresee that couple probably not going the distance as well. I don’t know. The only one I really feel pretty confident in is Taylor.
Yeah, and we’ll talk about them next. That’s the only one.
