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Podcast #95 – Interview with Jordan Kimball

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Well that all happened rather quickly. I first got in contact with Jordan last night for the first time to talk to him about everything going on. What he told me certainly didn’t make me think Jenna was acting like someone who was innocent. In fact, it was the complete opposite. You’ll hear a lot in this podcast about what happened and when, the new ridiculous information that came to light today by one of Jenna’s friends, how she reacted when he first told her, and much more. Just know that the guy put a lot of thought and gathered a lot of info before making a decision to end his engagement. He didn’t end it based on three texts that he saw. We’ve been back and forth for the last 24 hours going over stories, sharing emails, sharing texts, and I think through all that, for Jordan to make the decision he did speaks volumes about how important this was to him. So this isn’t your regular podcast where we talk about his background, his time on Becca’s season, etc. This is straight talking about what has happened in the last 48 hours regarding the texts and emails I received from this man in Jenna’s life and Jordan’s reaction to it all. Can’t thank him enough for coming on, which I’m guessing, has all of ABC’s top brass in a tizzy right now. Whatever. Jordan is the center of the story, and although his statements to the press were very well done, to actually hear him talk about the situation, in my mind, is completely different. As always, if you’d like to respond to the interview, please include Jordan’s Twitter handle in your replies (@jordan__kimball). Hope you enjoy…

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(SPOILER) Jordan joins me to talk about the whirlwind that’s been the last 48 hours, how he first heard, what was Jenna’s reaction when he confronted her on it, the news that was presented to me today, how he’s feeling overall, why did he end the engagement, does he think there’s a reconciliation in the future, and a whole lot more. No time stamps for this episode because it’s shorter and I know people wanted to hear it as soon as possible. It’s one thing to read Jordan’s statements with media outlets, but I think it’s another thing to hear it in his voice how almost discombobulated he is and how he’s still processing how all this could’ve happened.

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43 Comments

43 Comments

  1. realitynyc12

    September 13, 2018 at 6:45 AM

    What happened to all the comments?

  2. dbla31

    September 13, 2018 at 7:09 AM

    Thank you for the interview Steve! I wonder what ABC thinks of all this. They’ve been very quiet. Usually they try to control what gets out as much as they can.

  3. realitynyc12

    September 13, 2018 at 9:30 AM

    To clarify: Anyone else finds it strange that 12 previous comments disappeared without a trace overnight? I’ve seen RS delete offensive comments before but not like this, wonder if this is just a glitch with my phone?? Nothing in those comments was that bad, as far as I could see…. weirdness….

  4. tinyred500

    September 13, 2018 at 9:44 AM

    RS deleted this entire blog post and then reinstated it. Check his twitter page, the top post showing Jordan’s interview page has been removed -404 error, page not found. You need to scroll down RS twitter page to find this page again. That’s why the comments disappeared too.

  5. rob22

    September 13, 2018 at 10:58 AM

    I think this podcast could have been 10 minutes. They basically repeated the same points over and over. In fact, there is nothing new here that hasn’t already been reported on People or TMZ or on RS’s twitter feed. I’m sure this will get lots of listens because everyone wants to hear what Jordan has to say. But bottom line: he’s hurt, he believes it’s true, and he’s not going to trash Jenna. Also, he’s not happy that people are saying that he’s in on it. I think we already knew that, though.

  6. nitejen

    September 13, 2018 at 11:04 AM

    Its just so amazing how morally screwed up our world is becoming. Its definitely true you pick your friends close to your own personality. So Jenna’s friends think its ok if she was stringing along the guy from the text and having sexual relations with him to help maintain her business, and at the same time claim to be in love with Jordan. I mean that has to be much better then using Jordan and actually being in love with the text guy. Sounds more like she is a high dollar prostitute. I mean she started a club for women to pay to meet her. She must be meeting men on a different level since no one really knows what her business is. The truly sad part is that this woman doesn’t even think she did anything wrong.

  7. allisonj

    September 13, 2018 at 11:37 AM

    Listened to the podcast. I believe Jordan is being truthful about everything. It seems like if Jenna was being truthful that she would be the one talking to Reality Steve and try to set the record straight. Instead all I’ve seen from her is the instagram post saying the texts are fake. Seems like she is more concerned with salvaging her image than with fixing anything with Jordan

  8. realitynyc12

    September 13, 2018 at 12:17 PM

    Very interesting, does anyone know why??

  9. realitynyc12

    September 13, 2018 at 12:23 PM

    As I wrote in my other comment before this post was taken down, this is because so many of these contestants think time on a popular reality show will catapult them to big bucks. But one needs more than tv exposure to be able to parlay that into a lucrative business. A few were able to make it happen but Jenna Cooper unfortunately can only resort to being a slutty escort. I truly wish these people would stop acting like they’re all above making an honest living with a 9-5 job just because they happened to be on TV for a little bit and have a few thousand Instagram followers. This is an example of what happens when someone gets particularly desperate for money and to try to stay relevant without working like the rest of us. I almost feel sorry for her. But not too sorry because she gives all women a bad name. Her poor family must be so embarrassed by this.

  10. tinyred500

    September 13, 2018 at 12:36 PM

    My own guess, there could be many reasons. I always get RS latest blog posts via his Twitter page and when I clicked on his top post about Jordan’s podcast, I initially thought it was deleted due to legal. reasons (Jordan’s contractual constraints). RS might have wanted to edit or change the blog post content, though a lot of blog editors allow you to do this without deleting the entire post. It’s odd that the valid blog post link is way down on his Twitter page and he hasn’t removed the link to the deleted post. He might have wanted to delay posting the blog post a bit longer, hence the delete. However and that all said……there could also be a more simplistic reason…..but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

  11. rob22

    September 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM

    So, after thinking about this, I still think Jordan’s reactions are off. I can’t figure this guy out, at all. He talked very calmly about what Jenna had done to him. None of the Jordan fireworks we’ve come to expect when he gets upset. The only time he almost got going was when the discussion about whether he was “in on it” came up. But, even there, he held back from going on one of his crazy rants. But it sure is interesting that the “in on it” thing was the only thing that upset him. So, I’m at a loss. I feel like there’s another shoe to drop because it just feels off. Jordan felt off. Jenna’s obviously off. The rando guy with the text messages, seems off. IDK: is it possible that this is some manufactured drama to create more attention? If they end up getting back together after they meet next week, that’s going to raise a red flag with me. Stirring up all this drama, getting back together leading to…. who knows… business stuff, more followers on social media, a paid for Bachelor wedding…. who the heck knows what the end game might be.

    I know I’ve been out on a limb the last few comments about Jordan, and I feel like a conspiracy theorist (and that’s totally not me). But something just doesn’t seem right with him. And I’m talking about the whole thing. His instant over the top attraction to Jenna, the odd rants, and this incident. Again, maybe it’s just that Jordan is a total weirdo who doesn’t act like normal people. Maybe he’s a weirdo who attracted another weirdo & we’re seeing that play out. Maybe that’s it. Maybe not. Let’s see where this goes.

  12. tinyred500

    September 13, 2018 at 2:14 PM

    I think a lot of Jordan’s antics were solely for the camera. I know I said in some previous comment thread I thought he hammed it up for the camera. People have different sides to them, multi-faceted if you like. Let’s not forget he’s a model, he has have a side that’s playful and flirty to do that. Overall he has a bit of a wild eccentric side, coupled with a calm clear thinking demeanour, the latter side is the side he probably shows the most. Just my thoughts. 😉

  13. jhptygate

    September 13, 2018 at 2:39 PM

    Either that, or hey, maybe some people do grow up eventually and react accordingly.

  14. corn29

    September 13, 2018 at 2:51 PM

    I’m guessing the comments came down because contestants read this stuff and if we say negative things about narcissistic people, it affects RS’ ability to get them on future podcasts.

  15. corn29

    September 13, 2018 at 3:03 PM

    @nitejen

    > Its just so amazing how morally screwed up our world is becoming

    What’s screwed up is the posters in here, now deleted, defending a vapid, narcissistic, misogynistic pig because they think he’s “funny”.

    No morals and a really twisted view of what “funny” is.

  16. wiggy5

    September 13, 2018 at 3:21 PM

    Hi Steve! That was really a great interview and yes Jordan came across as a little over-the-top and a little full of himself on the show -but you know what; in the long run he knows who is going to tell the truth and that’s you! So I think it’s really awesome that he came on your show and did the podcast. Honestly my heart goes out to the guy. Thanks for an absolutely awesome interview he doesn’t deserve this and I hope all continues to go well in his life.

  17. realitynyc12

    September 13, 2018 at 5:10 PM

    Hmmm, I don’t know. Every media outlet reporting on this from E! To Us weekly is quoting things Jordan said from this podcast and linking to this site. If there are legal reasons for taking down the previous post, this is already are way past that now. And this blog looks exactly the same, I quickly scanned through it so doesnt appear like anything was edited. The plot thickens, as they say lol

  18. adelina

    September 13, 2018 at 5:28 PM

    I am taking this whole debacle in a pretty straightforward way:

    Pretty girl knows how to play with men. Pretty girl likes attention and pretty things. Pretty girl likes to have relationships with men that she can manipulate and use for money.

    Pretty girl goes on show in order to get more exposure.

    Pretty girl finds quirky guy and likes him. Pretty girl realizes quirky guy could help with her exposure.

    Quirky guy is attracted to pretty girl because he’s dealt with a mentally ill Mom his whole life, so her quirkiness is attractive to his quirkiness.

    Pretty girl’s sugar daddy realizes he’s being used. Sugar Daddy decides to out her.

    Quirky guy finds out. Quirky guy deals with it because he’s used to chaos and he’s known Quirky girl for only a short time after all.

    THE END!!!!

  19. hastings

    September 13, 2018 at 5:52 PM

    Don’t quit your day job.

  20. rob22

    September 13, 2018 at 6:30 PM

    It’s hard to argue with that. There’s nothing new under the sun.

  21. tamara

    September 13, 2018 at 8:10 PM

    Jordan seems honest about his viewpoint and how he’s feeling. Remember he just found out so there’s some shock there too.

  22. formerdatingshowparticipant

    September 13, 2018 at 10:24 PM

    Jenna can easily put this matter to rest on her own.
    The least tech savvy people can easily get all current and even deleted text message data off of their cellphone’s sim card.
    If one googles software retrieve sim card text messages, there are countless options for software that will retrieve all info for easy viewing.

  23. tinyred500

    September 14, 2018 at 12:52 AM

    @nitejen….So agree!

    I’ve finally listened to the whole podcast. Gosh, what terrible principles Jenna and her friend possess! Jenna’s behaviour is totally inexcusable. Horrible.

  24. nursej

    September 14, 2018 at 1:41 AM

    I was working a night shift and had to come back to the feed/ post a few times… the above is what happened. He clearly wanted to delete the original post for some reason.

  25. nursej

    September 14, 2018 at 1:43 AM

    Sounds logical 🙂

  26. tinyred500

    September 14, 2018 at 4:48 AM

    Sounds like a likely and feasible scenario to me. 😀

  27. pdxkg

    September 14, 2018 at 5:43 AM

    Hi rob22, you are right this situation seems really off to me too. Your scenario seems likely and Reality Steve is being used as a pawn in Jenna and Jordon’s long con. Let’s see this week, but I do expect that Jenna and Jordan will be back together soon as you predicted.

  28. keddo

    September 14, 2018 at 8:18 AM

    “rob22
    September 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM

    So, after thinking about this, I still think Jordan’s reactions are off. I can’t figure this guy out, at all. He talked very calmly about what Jenna had done to him. None of the Jordan fireworks we’ve come to expect when he gets upset. The only time he almost got going was when the discussion about whether he was “in on it” came up. But, even there, he held back from going on one of his crazy rants. But it sure is interesting that the “in on it” thing was the only thing that upset him. So, I’m at a loss. I feel like there’s another shoe to drop because it just feels off. Jordan felt off. Jenna’s obviously off. The rando guy with the text messages, seems off. IDK: is it possible that this is some manufactured drama to create more attention? If they end up getting back together after they meet next week, that’s going to raise a red flag with me. Stirring up all this drama, getting back together leading to…. who knows… business stuff, more followers on social media, a paid for Bachelor wedding…. who the heck knows what the end game might be.

    I know I’ve been out on a limb the last few comments about Jordan, and I feel like a conspiracy theorist (and that’s totally not me). But something just doesn’t seem right with him. And I’m talking about the whole thing. His instant over the top attraction to Jenna, the odd rants, and this incident. Again, maybe it’s just that Jordan is a total weirdo who doesn’t act like normal people. Maybe he’s a weirdo who attracted another weirdo & we’re seeing that play out. Maybe that’s it. Maybe not. Let’s see where this goes.”

    I don’t see Jordan’s actions/reactions in this debacle as being more contrived those of typical cast members of this show. As for his “instant over the top attraction to Jenna,” I can relate. There have been times when I’ve met girls and after talking with them for half and hour, I got a giddy “in love” feeling that is very powerful. When the girl seemed to reciprocate my feelings it didn’t take long for me to start building an imaginary future with her.

    What Jordan seems to value most highly are his image and his reputation. He has this picture of himself as a confident, good-looking guy with a quirky sense of humour, but most importantly, as someone who is sincere. If someone makes fun of his appearance or quirkiness, that’s not a big deal to him, because he knows that confident people are not bothered by such things. If someone attacks his sincerity, now they’re attacking his core, and he will defend himself as if his life depended on it. When he was betrayed by Jenna, it shook him, but it didn’t shake him to his core; her betrayal was not a reflection on him and thus wasn’t an attack on his self-perceived deepest core values, his integrity and sincerity.

  29. tinyred500

    September 14, 2018 at 8:47 AM

    @keddo…..At first I thought Jordan was insecure, but I’ve come to realise I don’t think he is at all.

    Great comment; we’ll have to see how it all pans out.

  30. marcommom

    September 14, 2018 at 9:09 AM

    Steve, your website is so quirky – can you change to a different platform? It’s a pain to read on mobile and on desktop – all the ads make it unstable. Maybe another platform would fix this.
    Anyway the whole situation is weird and I feel fraught with implications for Steve, Jordan, Jenna, the mystery man, etc. Hopefully Steve will continue to ensure this isn’t all some bizarre stunt. I’m not 100% convinced it isn’t and would hate to see Steve get played.

  31. LM111

    September 14, 2018 at 9:35 AM

    Rob22: I think Jordon’s response is totally normal. He has two choices here. 1) stay calm and respectful 2) get emotional and lash out. The smart reaction is to choose option one if you’re still in love (which he is) because choosing option 2 would make Jenna feel justified in her actions (“see, Jordan’s crazy, I’m better off without him”). By choosing option 1, he makes her question her behavior (“God, look how nice and respectful he’s being, maybe I made a mistake by letting him go”). He’s not an idiot. He’s hurt and probably wishes she would give him proof that she didn’t send the texts because then he could still be with her. He only ended it because he can’t trust her, not because he wanted it to end. That’s why he feels sick and can’t eat. We’ve all been there. And he’s handling this perfectly considering the position he’s in.

  32. trainwrecktv

    September 14, 2018 at 9:54 AM

    If Jordan seems “off” it is because his media statements and podcast weren’t produced by ABC, et al. It surprises me how many people read Steve’s stuff yet still think people’s portrayal on these shows is what they are actually like in real life.

  33. jlal

    September 14, 2018 at 10:17 AM

    Rob22, normally I agree with you, but I don’t on this. I don’t think Jordan’s reaction/actions are off at all. He has been pretty consistent throughout Becca’s season and BIP. I have seen him act over the top, jealous, over confident, conceited, funny, mean, etc. but never dishonest. Actually, quite the opposite, he is honest to a fault.

    Jenna on the other hand was duplicitous with her relationship with Jordan from the get go. She was wishy washy and in my opinion played both he and Benoit. Just like she was playing the text guy. She keeps her options open until something better comes along. Unfortunately for Jordan, nothing better came along in BIP, so Jordan got taken for a ride. Is there some karma involved due to how he treated and talked to some people and how conceited he is, probably. But, I don’t think his actions/reaction are off at all and I don’t think he is lying.

  34. dogmomma

    September 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM

    jlal, I tend to agree with you. As much as I know that this show is produced to attract viewers, I still find myself getting fooled when I buy into things only to find out they are a bunch of BS. But I get the sense that Jordan was played and is now facing reality and it hurts. I guess time will tell…. just hope we don’t find out that this was some major scheme set up to revive interest in the show. If that happens, I will feel played and deceived as a fan of the show.

  35. tinyred500

    September 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM

    @jlal, I agree with so much, if not all of what you’ve said…..and LM111’s comment as well.

    One reason why I harbour a certain amount of cynicism about the franchise and its participants, is 1) because I know how produced/contrived these shows are, and 2) most of the contestants want to stay as relevant for as long as possible and will do all sorts of things to stay relevant. It really would be the worst case scenario if RS was being played by both Jenna, the text/email man and Jordan, but I’m sure the story is legit.

  36. tinyred500

    September 14, 2018 at 2:28 PM

    That should be harbor and NOT harbour! Lol

    I hate my phone and the fact RS has no edut button on his site! Lol

  37. tinyred500

    September 14, 2018 at 2:29 PM

    Another typo! lol

  38. nursej

    September 14, 2018 at 3:16 PM

    Very insightful!

  39. ctrealitygirl

    September 17, 2018 at 7:28 AM

    I’m with jlal and tinryred500. Maybe I’m being naive, but I truly believed that Jordan’s feelings for Jenna were real. And I suspected she might be playing him, but was hoping I was wrong. Like jlal pointed out, she totally played Jordan against Benoit, and I didn’t quite buy her sincerity when she finally went back to Jordan. And I def do NOT think he’s gay!

  40. rob22

    September 17, 2018 at 9:57 AM

    I definitely respect everyone’s comments that agree or disagree with me. Normally, I feel like I get where people are coming from. That’s why I like to weigh in on the Dr. Reality Steve questions. But, wow, Jordan just has me stumped. I don’t know how to read him at all. I realize that all of Jordan’s individual actions and decisions can be explained one way or another. My issue is that his actions and reactions overall just don’t fit together. There’s just no consistency. To me, that says that in some situations, he’s acting or playing a role in some way. I just can’t tell which situations are truly him and in which situations he’s acting, if any. He’s one strange dude. That’s the one thing I can say for sure.

  41. ctrealitygirl

    September 18, 2018 at 7:33 AM

    He’s unusual for sure, rob22…but I wouldn’t use the word “strange.” And I found him WAY more likeable than on Becca’s season of the Bachelorette. In fact I found him quite endearing on BIP.

  42. jlal

    September 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM

    I don’t think he is strange either. Young, full of piss and vinegar, and over confident,but not strange. That Chad dude during JoJo’s season, HE was strange.

    Has anyone heard anything more? I don’t do social media, but can’t see the twitter, instagram updates.

  43. tinyred500

    September 18, 2018 at 12:27 PM

    I don’t think Jordan is strange. I’ve known people with very different sides to them…sort of extreme types of behaviour which appears incompatible with the other part of their personality. That said and as I’ve said before, I’m sure Jordan did ramp it up a tad for the cameras too.

    @jlal I wondered whether there’d been any updates too, being in another country I expect to miss stuff. I wonder whether RS will have any news in his blog posts this week?

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