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“Reader Emails,” & Quick WTA Recap

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On a normal week of “Reader Emails,” I usually post anywhere between 30-35 emails. That’s usually where it ends up being. Some weeks a little more, some a little less. If I were to have posted every email I’ve got in the last 24 hours, this week’s “Reader Emails” would’ve easily been over 250 emails. There was no way I was gonna do that many emails. There was a lot of the same stuff repeated in them, so I tried to make each email separate. There’s a few repeaters, but trust me, if I would’ve posted everything, it would’ve been the same 3 topics over and over: Cassie’s dad, Colton and Cassie’s breakup, and Bachelorette Hannah B. I can’t remember the last time I received that many emails in a 24 hr period. It was nuts. I appreciate all the interest, but a lot of you probably aren’t going to see your email in here this week for no other reason than I wasn’t going to answer over 200 of them. Sorry. There was no rhyme or reason really to what made it in other than trying not to repeat topics. Still some great emails in here this week for sure as it hit on a variety of topics.

Their honestly isn’t a lot to cover on the WTA last night. It was a sh** show. I can’t remember the last one that had that much screaming and talking over each other all night long. Holy crap. Since when did they think 10 women speaking at the same time was good TV? That was awful. Here are just a few quick thoughts on it:

-A ton of people online asked where Elyse was. This was spoiled in last Tuesday’s column. She had a prior commitment to attend a wedding in Mexico.
-If I didn’t already know Hannah B. was gonna be the “Bachelorette,” last night would’ve been further proof. It was clear as day who they were grooming up there for the next lead. Hannah came across 100x better last night than she did during the season.
-The Onyeka/Nicole situation was ridiculous. The consensus seems to be that Nicole is completely different off camera than on camera. And the charge from Nina that they showed in the promo, yet didn’t seem to give airtime to in the show, where Nicole said at the pool during his 1-on-1 with Elyse that Elyse wasn’t pretty enough and was too old is straight up bullying by Nicole, the one who couldn’t stand being bullied all season apparently. So she loses a ton of credibility there. Of course, the show just seemed to swipe that comment under the rug and never bring it up so they could give her some ice cream.
-Demi & Courtney? They both acted how I expected them to. Wasn’t surprised by either of their actions. Demi is a try hard who annoys a ton of people and Courtney with the pacifier stunt was a low blow. Not to mention Courtney’s arguing tactics seems to be, “The louder I talk and more I yell, the more important my point becomes.” Yes, there were a ton of people talking at once on stage, but listening to those two yap away at each other was nauseating. Demi does it to get a rise out of people and continue to play up her character, and Courtney, well, I don’t know what her deal was. She had every right to be pissed at Demi for the “cancer in the house” comment, she just went about arguing it the wrong way.
-Katie vs Caelynn? Katie in a first round knockout. Obviously Caelynn fans disagree, but watching it last night, I fully believed Katie and didn’t believe Caelynn. Unfortunate because uttering the phrase “I didn’t believe Caelynn” apparently will now make me some women hater. No, it doesn’t. Doesn’t change the fact her rape story from college is tragic. Hate that she went through that. But in this story of what Katie told, and of what I’ve heard, I believe Katie is telling the truth about what she heard on the bus and what happened in the post show phone call with Caelynn. I wasn’t buying Caelynn’s side of the story last night. I just didn’t see it.

So yeah, that’s about it for “Women Tell All.” As for the mini back and forth with Demi last night on Twitter, I mean, I could eviscerate her (and even Derek’s slimy ass for chiming in), but there’s no point. Anyone with half a brain could see what she’s doing and I’m not going to engage any further. Just let her disappear into reality TV oblivion after this summer is over and be done with her. She doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about and, again, trying too hard to stay relevant. I don’t have time for people like that. I gave my one sentence retort and I’m done.

Nell Kalter has your “Temptation Island” recap now up for your reading pleasure. Only three episodes left now until this shit show is over. And boy, we’re gonna have A LOT to talk about when this is all said and done. Don’t forget, tomorrow’s podcast at the end will have a conversation with Kaci Campbell to discuss what we saw last night. As for my regular guest? A little blast from the past in “Bachelor” world. Never had her on before but she was definitely part of one of the most interesting things we ever saw on this show.

A quick exclusive for next week’s episode 9 where Kaci begins to question if Evan ever loved her:

Lets get to “Reader Emails,” shall we?
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Hi Steve!

I recall another parent not giving her blessing… When Sean asked Catherine’s mom for her blessing (dad wasn’t really in the picture), she replied that if he chooses Catherine at the end then she will see. She would not give her blessing while he still had other girls as options.

Comment: Correct.
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everyone always talks about how reality shows are scripted. The ones that I watch (bachelor, TI, survivor and love island) I don’t think are scripted at all. The bachelor contestants are influenced by producers but still, not scripted. What’s your opinion on where this assumption comes from and how often is it true?

Comment: I hate the word scripted. Nothing is scripted. Scripted implies you are handed a bunch of papers and told to memorize lines and scenes. That’s not what reality TV is. What it is though in unscripted drama. You are put in situations and told to act/talk about certain things, which production inevitably knows, will result in drama.
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Hi Steve! Congrats on your award nomination!! people really appreciate your hard work and dedication to this site! Woops. I haven’t really been promoting that at all except once on Twitter. Probably because I know I’m not gonna win. But hey, go vote for my site as the Best Reality TV website at the Reality TV Awards (if I had the link handy I’d give it to you. This shows my complete lack of interest in this award).

I have been watching Bachelor/Bachelorette since Trista and have been reading your spoilers since…i can’t even remember when…always? I do know you were wrong just a few times and wanted to know what happened during those times? Like why did you think Kaitlyn didn’t choose either (i know you later fixed this spoiler to her choosing Shawn) and I can’t even remember the bachelor at the time, maybe Brad? and you had him choosing the brunette (can’t remember her name) and he chose Emily Maynard instead. I’m NOT trying to point out the fact that you’ve been wrong, just wondering if it was just the wrong information given by others or what?

THANK YOU for all your spoilers! It really helps my anxiety

Comment: First off, I have been spoiling since 2009, which was Jason Mesnick’s season. That’s the first spoiler I had.

As for the ones I’ve been wrong, every one of them is a different story. I can’t get into them without giving away a source. Maybe one day I’ll tell about the ones that I did get wrong and what happened, but honestly, there’s a couple that I still don’t know what happened. The longer we are removed from it, the less I remember about it.
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Just a clarification for a question I’ve seen pop up a few times over the weeks Temptation Island has been on…

previous reader email: My question is actually about Temptation Island. I’m from Canada is there a network here that plays it or streaming app? I was hoping maybe you could find out? Can you guys not watch it on Hulu?”

It’s only on Hulu if you have Hulu with Live TV. If you pay for the regular Hulu at $7.99 or $11.99/mo, it’s not available. Same goes for many other shows like Real Housewives. They’re available on Live Hulu as they air, but the entire season doesn’t appear for other Hulu customers until before the next season begins. I’ve been able to watch on the USA app on my Roku, but you need to login with someone’s cable provider credentials to view any episodes.

Hope that helps!

Comment: There you go everyone. I also remember getting an email this week from someone in Canada who says they watch on CTV2? Or maybe it was E!?
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Hey Steve,

Not sure if there is an application fee for Bach, but if there isn’t already, do you think the franchise would ever consider tagging on a hefty dollar amount to weed out all the people from coming on just to get famous? I’m talking about a dollar amount with a comma in it LOL. I know they probably don’t care and are just looking for good tv, and some would pay anything to get noticed, but it would be interesting if they ever did.

Comment: No, you already said it. They don’t care.
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Hi Stevie-Wonder!

Do you know how I can get the salmon casserole recipe Colton and Tayshia made at his apartment? Yes. The website is www.howthehellamisupposedtoknowthis.com.

Do you think Tayshia is a good candidate for B-ette since she would probably funnel in a group of studly black guys, making it easier to feature a black Bachelor? She’s pretty and lively, and I think even more appealing than Rachel was. Or did she go back to her old BF already? Tayshia will be on Paradise, you can pretty much bank on that.

Did you invent the ITM term or is it used by production? It’s a TV term used by production. “Confessionals” is another term they use.

When you are out and about at home, are you a) frequently – b) sometimes – c) never accosted with screams-n-giggles by fans who recognize you? Do you give autographs? Or do you prowl the streets of Frisco blending in with the locals wearing a b-ball cap and shades and pretending you’re not a celeb?

Comment: C) never. And I like it much better that way.
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Hi Steve!

This is not Bachelor related, instead it is Beverly Hills 90210 related. Like you, I am very excited about the reboot happening this summer, which I saw you tweet about earlier this week. In honor of that, I have a couple questions for you about the original show just because I’m curious:

1. Who was your all-time favorite couple of ANY of the couples that existed during the 10 seasons the show aired?

2. If you had to choose, who did you prefer Dylan with? Brenda or Kelly? And if Luke Perry does return for the reboot in some capacity (considering he does recover from his recent stroke) and Shannen Doherty also returns, which of those girls would you like to see him end up with?

3. Who was your overall favorite character on the show and why?

As always, thanks for all the spoilers and for always doing your job so well!

Comment: These are all questions I will answer when I do the podcast with Tara Ariano and Sarah D. Bunting from the “Again with This” podcast coming soon.
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Hi Steve,

So I’m mindlessly scrolling thru Instagram stories and I notice that Gronk (the football player) popped up on Shawn Booth’s story. Well it just so happened that Shawn Booth, Gronk and his gf Camille Kostek and Eric and Jesse James Decker were all on vacation together. I mean at least that’s what it looked like. I guess Shawn could have just run into them there ????? Anyway this caught my attention because it is well known that Jason Tartick is good friends with Gronk. Like they have known each other since they were kids. I just thought it was a little weird since Shawn is Kaitlyn’s ex and he is vacationing with Kaitlyn’s new bf’s good friend. I don’t really have a question I just wanted to tell someone about this and maybe get your thoughts.

Thanks for the spoilers, also love the podcast!

Comment: I have no thoughts because I don’t know what thoughts there are to have.
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Hi RS. I’ve never written in for Reader Emails, so I have no idea of the timing. For some reason though listening to a couple of your recent podcast guests, I had so many thoughts come up so I figured I’d send them over.

On your podcast with Emma, you guys got into the whole concept of asking a father’s permission to propose. Sharleen also got into this quite a bit in her recaps. I just wanted to offer a different perspective on it. I am a very independent female, in my 30’s, who grew up in liberal Seattle, so I understand where they’re coming from when they say that it’s antiquated offensive. However, my husband spoke to my father before proposing and I was glad he did. I find it to be a nice gesture if nothing else. For the most part, a father has a unique relationship with their daughter. They will always be his little girl, someone that he is protective over. To me when the man asks for a father’s blessing (which I much prefer that term over ‘permission’), he is more doing it to have a conversation and let the father know that he will be good to his daughter and take care of her (emotionally, not necessarily financially). While the origins of this tradition may be very antiquated, I still see value in that conversation taking place. It’s a way for the man to show that he respects the father and the daughter. And let’s be real, the majority of women will make their own decision on if that man is who they want to spend their lives with, regardless of what their father says. If they are on the fence, maybe they can be swayed by a family member, but if they are certain this is the person they love, nobody is going to tell them they can’t marry him. I just don’t see why so many people are up in arms about this topic. Maybe it’s just the approach that Colton took which was pretty painful to watch. There is no right or wrong to this. To some people it’s antiquated. To some, it shows respect. Doesn’t mean if you don’t do it, you’re disrespecting them. And it doesn’t mean if you do do it, that you’re a superior being. Different strokes for different folks.

Jumping to the Amy podcast, I definitely related to her as someone who is in my 30’s and has been watching the show for a long time and am reaching a point where it’s becoming harder and harder to watch. Like Amy, I actually used to find myself rooting for the couples (don’t worry, even going way back I was never one of those people that actually thought the show was a fairy tale, true love story, but I still found myself getting into it at times as silly as it is). That being said, while I think that our age has a big part in why we may be getting bored/annoyed with the show, I think it also has to do with tweaks they’ve made in the formula. Yes, it’s hard to watch 22-23 year olds all the time and actually relate to them. But as you’ve pointed out, that’s nothing new. I just think that in the past they actually made it a point to look for more accomplished, interesting people. If you were a doctor, lawyer, etc. and you were attractive, you were a shoe in for this show. I’ll interject here. VERY FEW doctors and lawyers have been on this show. Like, probably less than 2%. So I wouldn’t say were force fed a bunch of doctors and lawyers in the past and now it’s all just influencers. You had the occasional one back then, but they were still always very, very rare. Now days 75% of the cast is comprised of models and personal trainers. There is very little depth to the people they cast (and even if those people had depth, we aren’t shown it anymore). They’ve always focused on the drama of course, but they used to at least sprinkle in real conversations, jokes, etc. Now they find one dramatic storyline and stretch it as thin as it can go, eating up the majority of the episodes. We’re rarely shown personality anymore. Here and there you’ve asked your guests if they could change the show, what they would do. I know they would never drastically change the format of the show, but I feel like even those small tweaks would make it so much more bearable. Raise the average age to at least 25-27 and show just a little more of the contestants real conversations and personality. You know that they have that footage but that it just ends up on the cutting room floor.

Ok, last thought because I know this email is already super long. When it comes to Tayshia, everyone seems to be focusing on and debating over the whole pre-show boyfriend thing. Is it that bad, a lot of people end relationships right before they come on the show, etc. What people seem to be forgetting is that it isn’t just a matter of ending a relationship to come on the show. The casting process is usually somewhat long. So she was in a serious relationship with this guy while she was going through the whole process to get cast on the show. That to me is a whole different animal.

That’s all for now!

Comment: Agree with the last point. Tayshia did what plenty of other contestants before her have done and will do in the future. And just like them, it’s a horrible look. That’s all I’m calling her out for.
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Hi Steve!

I’m apologizing in advance because I have a lot of questions.

I didn’t know that they do filming post show until last week with the whole Bird Box thing. Why is that? I can only imagine how incredibly awkward that would be for everyone who didn’t end up with the lead. But obviously they don’t do it for the comfort of their cast, so why do they do it? Plenty of reasons. Sound didn’t take in the moment and they didn’t realize until they listened back, continuity issues, storyline updates, etc.

Recently Chad Johnson said that Jojo and Jordan met before the show. Jojo and Jordan previously denied that they met before the show, and I personally believe them because, well, it’s Chad. Anyway, Chad said that it was obvious because when Jordan stepped out of the limo he said “It’s nice to meet you finally”. Do you think that this is just Chad playing detective, and maybe wanting their to be a reason why Jordan was the front runner other than the fact that she liked him the most? Or do you think it’s just him crying for attention? The second you said “Chad Johnson” I tuned out. The guy has issues so I don’t put any stock into anything he says.

If Ashley and Jared get married, will you get them a gift since they technically weren’t a final couple from any of the shows? No. Only do it with the Bachelor/ette franchise, not Paradise.

Who were your favorite leads from both shows? Not sure. Get back to me in 25 years. I may have an answer then.

Are there any contestants that made it far in the show that you wouldn’t want to have on your podcasts? Or leads for that matter? I’d have just about anyone on. But there are some who’d never do it. I’m fine with that. I don’t write my column so people will come on my podcast. If I want you on, I’ll ask. If I don’t, I won’t. But I’m not being careful about what I say for fear someone might not come on the podcast. Would never do that.

I know that an overwhelming majority of bachelor nation is incredibly gullible, but I was thoroughly shocked by the amount of people that actually believed that Khloe, Kris, and Fleiss were talking bachelorette. That would literally never happen, and yet so many people fell for it. And are still falling for it! I’m sure you’ve heard the conspiracy theories. Anyway, I didn’t really have a question there I guess. Sorry. So was I.

Have there been any couples that ended up getting married that surprised you? (besides Arie and Lauren of course) I was surprised at Sean and Catherine. Not anymore, but at the time of their engagement, yeah.

Last question, do you think that the shows will outlive Chris Harrison or the other way around?

Sorry for all the questions. Thanks for all you, keep up the good work!

Comment: I think when the show ends, that’s when Chris will be done. As long as this show is on the air, he will be the host.
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I’m hoping we’ll soon learn what tipped the balance for Elan and his baby. The timing of his departure is what’s most intriguing, given how this season has gone. For example, what was his view of Colton walking out, of Colton’s choices, of Cassie’s rejection, and of the general awfulness of this season? I’m a retired journalist, and my bs meter is running full tilt with this. I could be way off base, but I feel pretty certain that there’s tea to be spilled. Elan didn’t leave until after Colton’s season was done filming. He worked on this season.

I also wanted to say that your backstory is pretty interesting. You’ve forced yourself into a critical role in the advancement of a reality show, and while time and chance have played their typical roles, you are the one who pressed the vision. I’m curious about what event was your turning point in moving Reality Steve from hobby to business. When did you “know” that the path was open? How often do you wake up and pinch yourself as a reminder of the role you’ve created for yourself? Have you reached the place where you think of yourself as on the same cultural level as reality TV “stars?”

And, thank you again for providing so much entertainment for me.

Comment: Great question. Probably when my webmaster came to me and said I should be making money off the site. This was Jan 2010. I knew you could make money on the internet, I just had no clue how. My site was blowing up and I knew nothing about servers either. It kept shutting down because I had a mini server and tons of traffic. So he came along and changed all that. That’s when we first put ads on the site, and it’s just built since then.

On the same cultural level as the contestants on this show? No way. Nor would I want to be. I know who I am. I’m 15 years older than most of these people. I don’t have the same goals and career paths as these people do. I know my role, and I feel I do it well. I’ve done the same thing for 16 years. I make fun of the show, I spoil, I tell you what’s going on behind the scenes, and will spread any dirt that I know to be true. Wash, rinse, repeat every season.

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  1. corn29

    March 6, 2019 at 8:33 AM

    If Juan Pablo and Corrine had a love child, it would be Demi.

    I’ve hated her all season long. Yes, “hate” is a strong word. Last night’s performance galvanized that for me.

    The notion that Demi has any fans makes me wonder what kind of people they are too.

  2. ctrealitygirl

    March 6, 2019 at 10:06 AM

    I wholly agree with you corn29! I had to mute my TV several times last night due to all the screaming over each other, mostly whenever Demi was speaking. She might be the most immature “girl” ever to go on the Bachelor. And I for one LOVED when Courtney gave her the pacifier! The whole WTA show was a huge waste of time. And Hannah B spent the whole time mugging for the camera, working on her Bachelorette audition. Gag.

  3. jlal

    March 6, 2019 at 10:29 AM

    I though what Courtney did to Demi with the pacifier was way, way out of line.That stunt said way more about Courtney than Demi. That being said, I’m not a fan of Demis and think she is immature and an attention addict.

    RS’s comments:
    “Demi is a wonderful human being, is totally self-aware, she’s going places in this world, and will never, ever be a punch line in this franchise or someone whose career will eventually revolve around numerous reality show appearances. Can’t wait to see her on Paradise this summer because she’ll bring such an exciting, fresh perspective to things at her age with her well thought out, never rehearsed one liners. She’s wise beyond her years and probably the most important character this show has ever seen.”

    Is he being sarcastic?

    Cassie doesn’t care about Colton, at least not that much. She said early on she wasn’t in love with him and didn’t know/think she could get there. She also said early on she was leaving. She waffled after Colton put up such a fuss. She is either a conflict avoider, or people pleaser or both. She is probably with him right now, because she does like him and the show and all. However, I don’t think she is “in-love” with him at all.

    As for Chris following Colton. You can hear one of the producers saying “Should we call Chris” when he first takes off walking, so there you go.

    Last night was excruciating to watch.

  4. tinyred500

    March 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM

    I’ve never been a fan of Demi’s, I just didn’t like her on the series, far too immature, rude and an attention seeker. I know there are others out there that like her one liners etc., but after last nights episode, I really can’t see why anyone could still feel the same about her.

    Yes, Steve was being sarcastic about Demi, and I miss that part of his humour sometimes…it seems to pop up when I least expect it. Maybe if he used emojis it would help, because at times the written word lacks nuances.

    I personally don’t think Cassie is that into Colton, I think she could have at least said, yes I adore you etc., I’m just not ready for a proposal yet. But she hasn’t really said anything like that…only that she’s unsure etc. I still think she signed up for the fame as did Colton, but all that said, I do think he was genuinely upset with Cassie after her Father turned up.

  5. logo65

    March 6, 2019 at 11:55 AM

    I rewatched the train wreck without wine, and cassie clearly said “I love you…. but… I’m not IN LOVE with you, if that makes sense” and then when heading to the car “You deserve to be with someone who is insanely in love with you”

    Those are pretty strong statements. Maybe she is just staying until ATFR, but wow, I dont see how you can overlook that.

  6. rob22

    March 6, 2019 at 12:26 PM

    A couple of issues I have. (1) Does anyone believe that Chris Harrison really followed Colton after the fence jump? The editing made it look like Chris was chasing him, but the choppy edits revealed that whatever film they shot with Chris was done after the fact. Colton may have jumped the fence, circled around and went to bed for all we know. But Chris wasn’t chasing him anywhere. Credit to Colton, because the fence jump was impressive athletically. The guy got up and over very easily. (2) I don’t really have any problem with Cassie’s Dad being cautious or suspicious. The issue I have with him is that he was giving a narrative where two people should meet, immediately fall in love, never have any doubt and that’s the way it should work. Instant soul mates, otherwise it’s not real. Come on. I realize that it happens that way for some people, but I’d wager a bunch that most people don’t have it happen that way. And I think that’s where Cassie was getting hung up. She was dating a guy (on a TV show), having a blast, enjoying the guy…. then boom…. Dad lays the “if you’re not feeling it right now, then it’s not real” trip on her. Maybe it’s not real, but it’s not because they weren’t instant soul mates. It’s not real because the whole premise of the show isn’t real. Dad kind of has his head up his a** if he’s expecting his daughter to have an instant soul mate. I don’t blame Cassie at all for being confused when her biggest roll model lays that on her. Colton was right when he said he was OK to go slow and that every relationship goes at it’s own speed. That’s probably the most intelligent thing he’s said all season. Maybe the ONLY intelligent thing he’s said. Anyway, that whole episode was highly annoying.

  7. tinyred500

    March 6, 2019 at 1:11 PM

    Only this episode highly annoying? The whole season has been annoying to me! Lol

    The best bit was the best line I’ve heard from any parent was by Tayshia’s Dad – ‘You don’t microwave relationships’, was just a fantastic line! It summed up what’s so totally unrealistic about the whole format of the franchise!

  8. trainwrecktv

    March 6, 2019 at 1:21 PM

    jlal – Steve was TOTALLY being sarcastic about Demi.
    I also think we have to give him slack about the Mrs. Harrison joke. I remember him calling Chris Harrison Mr. Zima first, and I think it is a totally fair joke to tease “inter-office dating” on a show spoiler site.
    As for the person wondering how many people aren’t watching the show but are still reading Steve’s stuff – that is totally me. I might have missed it if it came from something Steve posted, but the Matt F’ing Randolph references go over my head. I’ve been assuming it must be about something said on the show…but I wouldn’t know cause I’m not watching.

  9. rob22

    March 6, 2019 at 1:42 PM

    @tinyred: yes,from a macro level the whole season is very annoying. Like I’ve said before, this season is giving Juan Pah-blow a run for his money for being the worst season ever. I realize there were a lot of other turd seasons earlier on, but I was kind of in and out the first few seasons so I can’t really comment that well on Prince Lorenzo and Alex Michel. I do think Charlie O’Connell was really gross and definitely in the bottom 3, or so. Ben Flatdick is in there somewhere too.

  10. crushonspivey

    March 6, 2019 at 3:10 PM

    WTA was awful, and a perfect finisher to this season. Awful season, super immature contestants, and that one was a major issue. Girls, you don;t have to be rude, cruel and gang up on other girls to be strong. Don;t do it. Yet, there they went.

    And Hannah B? Just no. The girl is not bright, not very articulate, not quick on her feet thinking wise. That elevator does not go to the top floor intellectually. Or the top 3. Her season would be her making weird open mouth faces, doing that beast thing, and being mostly perplexed all season long about how it works. We didn;t watch the last Bachette season and won;t watch Hannah B either.

    Give us Hannah G. Classier and she’ll be a better season.

  11. jlal

    March 6, 2019 at 4:40 PM

    Logo65, happy you caught the I love you, but not in love with you line.. Also, the you deserve someone who loves you (paraphrasing). Because just those two lines says it all about how Cassie feels or rather doesn’t feel. Not saying she doesn’t like him,but she does not feel deeply about him.

  12. jlal

    March 6, 2019 at 4:46 PM

    I also am not a fan of Hannah B. Didn’t see much of her because I tuned in and out until the last couple of shows, but she is annoying.

  13. corn29

    March 6, 2019 at 6:20 PM

    Some random thoughts:

    > and cassie clearly said “I love you…. but… I’m not IN LOVE with you,
    > Those are pretty strong statements. Maybe she is just
    > staying until ATFR, but wow, I dont see how you can
    > overlook that.

    A couple of months into dating, my fiance pretty much said the same thing to me. 4 years later we’re getting married in September. We laughed at that together when watching.

    > Steve was TOTALLY being sarcastic about Demi.

    I missed that too; I guess I don’t have the sarcasm font installed on my laptop. Ha!

    > Like I’ve said before, this season is giving Juan Pah-blow
    > a run for his money for being the worst season ever.

    Nick’s SEASON was the worst.

    JP was the worst BACHELOR.

    > I also am not a fan of Hannah B.

    I was a HUGE fan of her dress last night though. Wow!!!

  14. justsaying

    March 6, 2019 at 6:43 PM

    So if Cassie is indeed with Colton, like Steve is claiming, so she’s basically flipping the bird at Matt F*** Randolph, then? Daddy, instant-love-connection-BS, just STFD LOL

  15. ladyjane747

    March 6, 2019 at 7:08 PM

    My ears were bleeding at that WTA. What a bunch of screechers! Demi is so annoying, I had to fast-forward through all her segments. She’s not even funny. I’m surprised none of the women did an “I told you so” at Colton – he picked the one girl the others had been warning him about. No sympathy for him, and Cassie is a nitwit. I like Hannah B as Bachelorette. Should be fun and lively – she’ll put it all out there.

  16. jlal

    March 7, 2019 at 4:16 AM

    I don’t think Cassie is “flipping the bird” at her Dad at all. He didn’t want her to get engaged after a few weeks if she wasn’t sure. Dating someone is totally different.

    Agree that the WTA was hard on the ears. I too had to turn the volume down and tune out during the screeching sessions.

    So happy RS was being sarcastic. I usually have pretty good sarcasm meter, but missed that one.

    I too took longer than my husband to “fall in love” and it wasn’t until we broke up for three months at the 2 year period, that I realized just how much he meant to me. Best thing that could have happened.Together a total of 18 years now. So, maybe Cassie will come around but I doubt it seriously.

  17. ladyjane747

    March 7, 2019 at 6:56 AM

    Okay, I just have to ask how anyone could’ve taken RS seriously when he wrote that paragraph about Demi. He’s been writing all season about how annoying and immature she is and how she’s doing a Corinne 2.0 and how even at the WTA she was just doing her act, and I guess apparently he had some Twitter exchange with her. I mean, c’mon!

  18. tinyred500

    March 7, 2019 at 7:42 AM

    Unless someone has read all of Steve’s comments for a season it’s not always easy to see his sarcasm or humour etc, though Demi’s was pretty easy to spot IMO. That said, a few posts back Steve replied to a readers email who thought Cassie’s family lived in a super nice house and were they wealthy etc. Steve gave a response which I wasn’t sure about, I asked in the comments, and a fellow commenter said Steve was being facetious. When I watched the hometown episode, I could clearly see Steve was! 😀

  19. justsaying

    March 7, 2019 at 9:42 AM

    Daddy-Love-killer said if Cassie should know right away and there should be no hesitations when you meet the right person and the longer Cassie drags it on, she’s doing a disservice to herself and Colton. If that does not say break up with him now, I don’t know what is.

  20. justsaying

    March 7, 2019 at 9:50 AM

    Thank you for sharing your love story Corn.

    I don’t know about everybody else, when I’m not into a guy I’m with, I don’t shed a tear when I break up with him.

  21. jp22

    March 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM

    So funny that you indict Demi fans just because of another viewpoint or perspective on the show. What kind of person are you, one may ask. LOL

  22. rob22

    March 9, 2019 at 7:18 AM

    @justsaying: you are exactly right! Dad was giving a pretty unsubtle message to Cassie that she should break up. First, he threw in the confusing statements about how he and his wife (Cassie’s Mom) always “knew” from Day 1. Then points out that Cassie doesn’t “know”. Casts doubt about how she could not “know”. Then tells her that she should “follow her heart”…. after clearly attempting to show her that her “heart” wasn’t in love…. after 6 weeks…. on a TV program. That’s kind of manipulative, don’t you think? I do hope Cassie stands up to her Dad, regardless of where things go with Colton. She has to develop her own mind where she doesn’t get talked out of a non-abusive relationship by her Dad. Look, these “engagements” on the Bachelor are phony. The vast majority break up within 6 months, many within a few weeks after the final airs. Chill out Dad. It’ll all play out fine one way or another. They’ll likely break up. But if they get married they will have beat long odds and the love will be real. I was originally thinking that the decision by producers to get Cassie’s Dad on the program was a story line killer and a show killer. A big mistake. But the show is getting lots of attention on social media, so ratings will probably be really good next week. I guess they do know what they’re doing, as annoying as that is to say.

  23. justsaying

    March 9, 2019 at 11:32 AM

    @rob22 Thank you! I’m not saying Colton and Cassie forevah and evah but give them a friggin chance, daddy-double-m (m for manipulate and m for meddler). Before meeting up with Colton that night, poor Cassie said along the lines I know what I have to do now. I have leave.

    There’s already so little love in this world, daddy-double-m. Let Colton and Cassie have at it. Nothing wrong with that.

  24. corn29

    March 9, 2019 at 6:00 PM

    What kind of person am I @jp22? One with respect and integrity. Something comepletely lost Demi… and apparently you. Troll on pal.

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