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Podcast #183 – Interview with “Survivor’s” Stephen Fishbach

I don’t think I spent much time at all these last couple months talking about “Survivor: Winners at War.” We had Dalton Ross on at the beginning of the season to preview the first ever all-winners season. But I’d pretty much kept my thoughts to myself. Until now. I thoroughly enjoyed this season. Loved it actually. Well, as much as you can love any season that has Extinction Island attached to it. I think that sentiment is universally shared in the Survivor community, so no breaking news there. Just goes against everything that this show is about. With that said, we’ve never seen a season like this. It was the best of the best going at it, and you had arguably the best finale this show has ever seen. You can’t credit Tony enough for what he was able to accomplish this season. And being only the second player ever to win twice, I think you can now say he’s the greatest player ever in this game. What he did this season was kind of unthinkable, as Stephen and I break it down for podcast #183. Stephen, per usual, has such an interesting perspective on the game and looks at it at ways that either never occur to me, or I forget. Love talking with Stephen about this show. As always, if you’d like respond to this interview, please include Stephen’s Twitter handle (@stephenfishbach) in your replies. Thanks again to Stephen for coming on as our resident “Survivor” expert. Certainly won’t be the last time he’ll be on as he is one of our regulars.

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Music written by Jimmer Podrasky
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I start by talking a little about the Hannah Brown situation and my current thoughts on how things are being handled.  Then Stephen joins me to break down season 40 of Survivor: Winners at War.  From Tony’s dominance, is there a gender bias on this show, is there too much game play going on, how the fire tokens played out, do we need to do away with Extinction, and much, much more (9:54).

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  1. KitKat101

    May 21, 2020 at 7:29 AM

    I completely respect people who are massive fans of Bachelor Nation, however, Survivor’s 3 hour finale made me realize why I’ve stopped watched the Bachelor. I only started watching the Bachelor in Arie’s season. The last season I watched all the way through was Colton’s (although I still read and watch recaps, and of course check out RS’s spoilers). The truth of the matter is that 2 hour episodes of the Bachelor are hard for me to sit through. They kind of drag on, in my opinion. This Survivor finale kept me on the edge of my seat (and it was an hour longer!). Survivor will always be my favorite reality TV show.

    All that being said, I loved today’s podcast. There were some really insightful comments and discussions.

  2. shenanigans

    May 22, 2020 at 10:30 AM

    Hannah issued an apology on her Instagram on Sunday, which many media outlets published in its entirety. She said she was sorry, took responsibility, and said she would do better. What more does anyone expect her to do?

    I realize that she said a word in a song that’s taboo. However, I also think that the “cancel culture” in Bachelor Nation has gone too far on this one. People are so eager to be offended that they lose perspective of what was said and are unwilling to accept a heartfelt apology when it is offered. And that, to me, is worse than what Hannah did.

  3. tinyred500

    May 22, 2020 at 1:24 PM


    I agree, and thought I was the only one to think it. Too many are perpetually offended, it seems now a simple apology isn’t enough, it has to be the ‘right’ kind of apology. SMH. I’ve listened to RS, Nick Viall, Rachael Lindsey and more all repeatedly drone on about it. She’s apologised, end of. They need to move on, and let Hannah move on too.

  4. dogmomma

    May 22, 2020 at 3:28 PM

    I agree with the above posts about Hannah. Good grief, she was singing the lyrics in a song and didn’t call someone by that name. I realize in today’s society that everything has become taboo and you literally have to watch every thing you say so as not to offend someone. I saw comments that crucified her for it, saying she was way too comfortable saying the word and therefore she was racist. OMG!! I don’t think we should use the word, but for her to be shamed so severely for a simple mistake is beyond belief. I can’t stand Rachel Lindsey…. she is arrogant and very mean hearted. She seems to love to bully people who aren’t as perfect as she is. UGH! I have noticed Hannah has been absent from social media and I hope this blows over and that people who are critical will look in the mirror and see that they are also imperfect and there is no need to publicly shame her over and over.

  5. shelly7878

    May 27, 2020 at 6:27 AM

    I am not some rabid Hannah fan, but come on are you kidding me? Perhaps if the song did not have the f or the n word in it it would not be a problem! She was reciting the lyrics. Of all people Nick Viall should talk…………please it is obvious that some of Batch Nation has a holier than thou mentality that needs to come down a notch. Sorry to disagree with you Steve but there are soooooooooooo many more important issues than Hannah singing/rapping a song with offensive language.

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