Rose Ceremony #2: (Men asking dates, Women giving out roses)
Men (13): Clay, Kevin, Blake, Cam, John Paul Jones, Wills, Derek, Chris, and Dylan. Four guys entering this episode: Jordan Kimball (Becca’s season, BIP 5), Mike Johnson (Hannah’s season), Christian Estrada (Becca’s season), and Dean Unglert (Rachel’s season, BIP 4)
Women (9): Nicole, Sydney, Tayshia, Caelynn, Onyeka, Katie, Demi, Kristina, and Hannah G.
Jordan with Nicole
Mike with Caelynn
Christian with Nicole
Dean with Caelynn
It’s during this episode that Blake tells Caelynn and Tayshia that he wants to pursue Hannah G. Hannah is already pretty close with Dylan at this point, so nothing ever comes of Blake & Hannah, although at the rose ceremony, they’ll probably make it seem like Hannah was choosing between Dylan and Blake.
During the cocktail party of this episode, Christian and Nicole are off by themselves talking and he brought a pinata. Clay goes over to interrupt and basically Christian doesn’t let him. Clay goes back to the group, tells them what happened, and Jordan then goes over to talk to Christian. He’s about to rip the pinata from where it was hanging (basically to throw it in the ocean like last season’s teddy bear), but Christian grabs his arm, and Jordan body slams him to the ground. Security has to jump in and separate the two, and after a while, Chris Harrison says they both have to leave the show. You saw a clip of how this goes down on the promo that ran last night.
Rose Ceremony #2: (Women giving out roses)
Demi gives her rose to Derek
Caelynn to Dean
Hannah G to Dylan
Nicole to Clay
Katie to Chris
Sydney to Mike
Tayshia to JPJ
Kristina to Blake
Onyeka ended up not giving out her rose. Said she didn’t find a connection so she ends up leaving.
Eliminated this rose ceremony: Cam Ayala, Kevin Fortenberry, and Wills Reid. Jordan Kimball & Christian Estrada eliminated earlier in the episode.
Rose Ceremony #3: (Men giving out roses, Women entering)
Women (12): Demi, Caelynn, Hannah, Nicole, Katie, Sydney, Tayshia, and Kristina. Four women entering this episode: Tahzjuan Hawkins (Colton’s season), Haley Ferguson (Ben Higgins’ season), Jen Saviano (Ben Higgins season, BIP 2), and Caitlin Clemmens (Colton’s season).
Men (8): Derek, Dean, Dylan, Clay, Chris, Mike, JPJ, and Blake.
Tahzjuan with JPJ
Haley with JPJ
J Sav with Chris
Caitlin with Blake
Rose Ceremony #3: (Men giving out roses)
Demi to Kristian
JPJ to Haley
Derek to Tayshia
Dylan to Hannah G
Clay to Nicole
Chris to Katie
Dean to Caelynn
Mike to Sydney
Blake to Kristina
I know at some point this episode, Tahzjuan and Haley get into it because Tahzjuan called her a name. Something to do with a bird or something. Totally bizarre, but Tahzjuan, by all accounts, loses it this episode and that’s why she didn’t get a rose.
It’s during this episode that Kristian Haggerty, Demi’s girlfriend before the show, is brought on and they start dating. Basically every rose ceremony from this point forward starts with Demi going first and giving her rose to Kristian.
Dean leaves after giving Caelynn his rose. Says he doesn’t see anything progressing post-show, so she gets to stay, and he bolts.
Eliminated this rose ceremony: Tahzjuan Hawkins, Caitlin Clemmens, and Jen Saviano.
July 23, 2019 at 10:15 AM
I don’t know about anyone else, but I think Steve’s desire to have Luke P on his podcast to answer a bunch of questions – would be a total waste of everyone’s time.
Luke P talks in circles and doesn’t really answer questions with any consistency. You might as well be speaking two different languages.
July 23, 2019 at 10:39 AM
I’d like a podcast with Luke P. if Steve will talk to him on subjects that others have not.Including why he decided in the first place to go on this show, since he was obviously very unsuited to this type of format.
July 23, 2019 at 10:48 AM
Pretty obvious that Luke tries really hard, but just is not equipped with the social skills others have to navigate certain situations. He is just off. Signs of some sort of emotional or more likely a personality disorder. And also highlights the fact that people around him are really bad at spotting it and knowing how to navigate it as well. Once you develop a sense for it, they are easier to spot. He has one. And the show exploited it, none of the guys knew how to deal with it, and neither did Hannah. So it ended badly, as things do with people like that.
And yeah, Luke talks in circles. There is a reason for it. He lacks some skills, though no fault of his own really. Makes these things harder for him.
July 23, 2019 at 1:38 PM
I think it would make more sense to interview Luke P in 3-5 years, once he has had time to grow and to gain some perspective on this experience. So, I guess I agree with adelina. Regarding crushonspivey’s comments, I wouldn’t say his behaviour is the result of a “personality disorder”, but is rather the result of the same thinking that has American Idol contestants believing that if they want something badly enough, they are destined to have it. Kinda like Jed and his music career, now that I think of it. Both of them should listen to Kenny Rogers’ “The Gambler” on repeat until the lesson sinks in.
I am looking forward to seeing how everything plays out with the breakup between Hannah and Jed, and eventually seeing who is chosen for the next bachelor. I hope it’s Mike. I won’t be watching BIP, however; it’s just too depraved.
Statler Without Waldorf
July 23, 2019 at 2:17 PM
At the beginning of the season, I assumed that Luke was just a “plant” by production to stir the proverbial pot and create drama. They beat that horse to death and then some, with the MTA making it even worse.
Ironically enough, as misguided and “tone” deaf as Luke was, I actually believe that he was there for Hannah and would have considered proposing to her. So while everyone bashes on Luke, lest we forget that Peter and Jed were dishonest (by omission) with their intentions throughout the show? Luke was uncouth and not ready for “prime time” when it came to articulating his moral & religious beliefs, but I do think he was probably being honest. More than I can say for Jed or Peter.
Hannah needs to get off her high horse about Luke, since it seems as if she really did actively keep him in the running. I’m wondering if she’s projecting with all her self-righteous windmill f*ck*ng antics to try and detract from the fact that she got fooled by not 1, not 2 but 3 of her F4 picks.
Her “picker” is a little off, so maybe she needs to consult with the Millionaire Matchmaker, Patti Stanger!
July 23, 2019 at 4:45 PM
I skipped last night’s episode because I was sure it would be the Luke show. Based on what Steve says here, I was right. I’m so tired of it.
July 23, 2019 at 7:25 PM
Luke P better get ready for an ABC suit!
July 28, 2019 at 7:33 PM
The unfortunate thing about all of this is Luke probably has Borderline Personality Disorder. He needs help — professional help. Not ABC taking advantage of him.
Make no mistake, I’m NO fan of Luke. I’ve said as much early in these forums when people were still defending him.
Having a personality disorder is not me excusing Luke for his actions. It’s just that people are asking him to own his actions and mentally, he cannot right now. Complicating matters is that ridiculous cult (and I’m Catholic) he calls his church and family. They just enable him.
July 28, 2019 at 9:52 PM
I thought the same exact thing watching the show. Borderline personality disorder