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“Reader Emails,” BIP Episode 6 Recap & Reunion Finale Taping Today

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Hey Steve,

Been loving all of the podcast guests and can’t wait for more! I have a few questions that maybe you can answer :

1. I know before BIP 4 started filming Robert Mills was talking about adding a Bachelor Pad style element to BIP which I’m sure was changed after the shut down. Were you ever able to find out what that was going to be; challenges? money? would have been interesting to see. No. Not sure. But it looks like we’ll get that with Winter Games.

2. I know Astrid was coming on BIP before the shutdown as she’s in that picture at the airport….do we know why she didn’t end up coming back? Because I guess she decided her boyfriend at home was more important.

3. Do you think the show would ever go back to having bachelors with real jobs, aka not a “social media influencers”. I think it would be interesting if the made a change since there seem to be so few options with Ben H., Wells, Peter, Dean etc. saying they wouldn’t want to be The Bachelor.

Thanks Steve for all that you do!!!

Comment: Ever? I’m sure we’ll get one in the future who does. But not every season.
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Hi Steve

I am seriously appalled watching bip right now. I’ve been watching these shows for years and I think this is the worst I’ve seen. Is Christen secretly in on the joke? The girls making fun of her, the show calling her “scallops fingers” as her title and then Diggy making a personal cut at her as well (on Twitter). Granted I don’t usually follow contestants social media, but is this making fun of eachother amoung contestants common? This type of bullying could do some real psychological damage!

Thanks for letting me rant.

Comment: Apparently she was well aware. And if you saw her opening sequence intro last night where she’s eating them, that kinda proves it.

You’ve mentioned in the past that you aren’t a fan of Lindsey Arnold’s husband. Is there a particular reason why? do you have dirt on him? Or did something happen that is public knowledge that I can’t seem to find online?

Comment: Huh? I can’t remember ever mentioning Lindsey Arnold’s husband in my life on this site. If I did, I’m sure it was in jest saying I was jealous of him because I’ve always found her to super attractive. But if you lined ten guys up in front of me right now and one of them was her husband, I wouldn’t be able to pick him out. No idea who he is or what his name is, so I can’t imagine why I would’ve ever said that.
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Hi Steve,

Good stuff as always. I have a question: When contestants are sent home, do they really leave right away? Last night, watching BIP, I hear Chris Harrison say those who don’t get a rose will be “on a flight back to the United States immediately”. Where do they go, are they really sent home that fast? Like do they go straight to the airport or stay at a hotel or something. I also assume ABC has to purchase a plane ticket for them? Either that night or the next morning. No need to keep them around much longer.

Also, I thought that whole Taylor & Derek conversation was so scripted and forced. Derek saying F*** you, seemed out of place. And Taylor’s reaction was just as weird. Like aren’t you a mental health counselor?? She sure does not act it…. she also seems so fake!

Comment: It wasn’t just the words, it was the way he said it. He didn’t say it angrily or while yelling or screaming at her. I actually think he said it jokingly. But she seemed to be more bothered by it than many expected. I didn’t get it.
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Hope I’m not too late for my email to be included. So here it goes:

First what’s up with the obsession Derek Peth has with John Krasinski? I think it started with a few people on social media telling him that they looked alike and then he just took it too far! He’s been trying for Kransinski to notice him for over a year and it’s never happened lol! He has? That’s sad. Especially for a guy that…forget it.

Second: Jasmine threatening Christen with releasing the texts she supposedly sent Ben Zorn is already bad. But the fact that Ben was petty enough to share them with Jasmine is even worse. I’m very surprised/disappointed he did that. He looks super mature. Not surprising in the least bit. That happens way more in this franchise that you know. Hell, you should see the stuff I’ve seen. And for the record, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if some of my texts have made their way around the franchise.

Third: Robby only went for Amanda because his survival instinct kicked in order to stay in Mexico. This after he realized he had NO CHANCE with Raven, who he had originally planed to “hook-up with” in his delusional mind.

Comment: Or he was just seeing who had the most IG followers.
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Hey Steve,

Mostly just an opinion this week. I found myself fast forwarding through a lot of the episode, mostly because I find all these people massively unbearable. They’re literally just interchangeable piles of trash to me. Out of all the couples that make it, I find one or both of the members to be irritating so I can’t even root for any of them.

I’m curious where you come down on the overuse of the word bully. Sure, what Jasmine said was mean, but I don’t know if I’d call it bullying… If I have to choose, I’m team Christen. Jasmine just came off very insecure and petty about that whole situation. I’m probably in the minority, but I wish the Bachelor franchise would class up their cast a bit. The only ones I don’t find repulsive at this point is Raven and Ben Z.

I said I wanted Wells for Bachelor the last time I emailed. Odds on that happening?

Comment: Yes, I do get kind of annoyed by people throwing the word bullying around so easily. Because there are definitely different levels of bullying. I hope people can see that. Yes, people should make an effort to be kinder, but if you’re watching BIP in the summer to see a bunch of people be nice to each other and all get along, you’re watching the wrong show. It’s going to happen on this show. That’s what the show is. And if you can’t handle any type of criticism, the show isn’t for you.

Bullying is bullying, yes. But you can’t tell me that someone on this show being called a c**t, slut, whore, bitch, etc by some troll online isn’t way worse than getting called “scallops.” Especially when it’s pretty clear Christen had fun and went along with it.
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Hi, Steve.

In your BIP episode 5 recap you said, “I’m the last guy to defend Derek because I think he’s about as shady as they come.” I’m not going to ask you to spill gossip, because I know you don’t do that, but can you tell me whether your assessment of him is based on your gut feeling or on things you actually know about him? I follow a few of these people on instagram, and he seems like one of the most normal ones. Not hawking products, not partying all over the map, just hanging with family and renovating houses. Plus, he’s besties with everyone’s favorite bartender, Wells.

Thanks for your spoilers and your insight. I love following along every week!

Comment: I have already talked about this in the past. But no need to harp on it. I said what I said, it’s all true, and I’ve formed my opinion based on that. Derek doesn’t seem to like it but frankly I don’t care.
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Hey Reality Steve!

First off, a personal question. What do you think of the new Taylor Swift?? I see you were “giddy” about it coming, so how do you feel about it? Ha ha…read my answer a few questions back.

2.) In your recap, you said you think Derek is as shady as they come…why? Read my answer in the previous question.

3.) With all of your knowledge and strong opinions and the guys in this franchise, what do you think/know of Ben Z? He seems like a sweet guy that no one is apparently into. I know many times the guys here aren’t all that sweet after all, but throughout this season I’ve wondered about him.

Thanks!

Comment: I don’t think about him much. He’s kind of not on my radar when it comes to this franchise. Not really someone that “moves the needle” so to speak.
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Hi Steve!

Quick Question for you:

I think people have asked you this before, but if Peter is not the Bachelor (really hoping he is, once I found out he wasn’t the winner, I stopped watching last season, oops!) Anyways, if Peter doesn’t take the role – what are the reasons Wells wouldn’t get it? He seems very well liked, pretty popular among fans… any reason why he doesn’t get it? I don’t know. Some people find Wells incredibly annoying with his puppet show.

Also,

Now that another couple has broken up- who do you think will be the next break up? Have you heard anything about Jo jo and Jordan? They seem to be going pretty strong and living semi-normal, Actually I like them more now outside of the show then I did on the show. Haven’t heard much.

Lastly, do they even do open casting calls anymore? Is it actually realistic that someone actually “normal” with no ties to anyone would make the show? I kind of miss those days.

Thanks for all you do! I live for the spoilers!!! Have a good one!

Comment: Very few get cast from open casting calls anymore. It’s more about who you know.
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Hi Steve!

Was so happy to read your blog today and see that you had the same stance I did on the episode last night where it pertains to christen and jasmine. The bullying is just crazy! What did this poor girl do to deserve all that screen time re: scallop fingers. Are you kidding? What are we in high school again? These girls are a bunch of mean girls if there ever were any. It just went on and on and on. And then when she went to sit at the bar with the other two girls and they couldn’t stop giggling. seriously? They’re adult women, one of whom has 2 kids and neither could tell her what was going on?! What a shame. And she was eating shrimp on the beach in a swimsuit, not a 5 star restaurant. Don’t they eat pizza with their hands? And for ABC to write “scallop fingers” under her name was just the worst. These people are horrible. I don’t think scallop fingers in and of itself was that harsh of bullying. Especially since Christen apparently played into it and didn’t have much of a problem with it. I had more of an issue with Jasmine’s constant use of calling her a bitch. That was excessive.

Also, why was jasmine directing all her anger towards Christen and not Matt? He’s the one who agreed to do the date! (And even told her he’d be happy to go but I’ll pretend jasmine didn’t know that and give her the benefit of the doubt). I don’t see raven attacking Sarah for taking Adam out. They both just go talk to Adam about it. I don’t see Lacey attack Dom, she talked to Diggy about it. I don’t see Kristina attacking Danielle, she talked to Dean about it. So why is she pretending Matt had nothing to do with it?! jasmine is just immature and has a lot of growing up to do, especially when she’s on a show like BIP. Calling her a bitch 100 times on the show only makes her look like the bitch. And Matt needs to grow some balls. I think he’s just scared of jasmine. Apparently this all stems back to Jasmine and Christen talking pre show and Christen being all about Ben Z. And I guess a lot of stuff that happened out there they left on the editing room floor. Again, you’re fighting a losing battle trying to explain yourself on social media for the most part. But it seems to be there’s way more to the story than what was shown.

And dean, why doesn’t anyone ask him what he’s doing?! Like Kristina. He told her he wants to keep DLo around. And she just nods. Where’s her self confidence and self esteem to ask why?! He’s just not doing himself any favours this season that’s for sure. Hopefully the girls really screw him over. All I hope for is that Kristina gives him hell at the taping today. DLo too. He deserves it. His only recourse at this point is to apologize to both today. Anything else, he’ll look like even more of an ass than he already was.

And one question, I heard you on Olivia’s podcast the other day and loved the episode. Olivia seems like a super down to earth girl who really is the most “normal” among these people. How did you feel about her when you met her in person? Is she as nice and normal as I imagine her to be?

Thanks Steve for letting me vent. Love reading you always!

Comment: She was great. Loved spending time with her and talking to her about her experience off mic. I learned a lot. She’s one of my favorite people from this show and I’ll always root for her now.
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Steve, do you think any chance Ben Z could be bachelor? I thought he was a good candidate for bachelor post kaitlyns season and was super popular at the time. He’s a really nice guy, seems genuine, hot. Was surprised to see him on BIP cuz he’s “too good” for it but could it have been some sort of audition to see how the audience reacts to him? Or to remind people of him? Although their “dog edit” certainly doesn’t seem to be doing him any favours. I definitely thought he’d be more sought after in paradise but these girls are horrible to start off with. What would you think if they picked him?

Comment: No. He’s not going to be the “Bachelor.”
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Hi Steve!

I love your site, I’ve been following you since Ali’s season, and hers is the last season I’ve actually watched! After that, I usually just watch the 1st or 2nd episode so I know the cast, and then follow along with your recaps. Love your writing!

My question is, you say that Raven is production’s favorite right now. In what way do mean? Is she doing whatever they tell her to do? Do they actually just like her as a person/friend so they want to keep her around as a favor for her? Do they like her because the audience likes her? I’m just wondering why she’s their “favorite” when from an outsider watching, she looks/acts the same as the rest of the girls.

Thank you!

Comment: I just think they know she’s good TV, she’s easy to look at, they know a lot of the audience likes her, she gives good sound bites, etc. It’s why they focus so much on her and she’s front and center of this show and all their taped shows.

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13 Comments

  1. rob22

    August 30, 2017 at 7:58 AM

    I’m not saying this is true, but the whole Corrinne/Demario thing really hit the media and created a lot of extra attention to the show. Is it possible that is the reason why this all happened? I know that’s highly cynical & hopefully untrue. But the whole “complaint” never made sense. The show is DESIGNED to create the scenario where drunk people hook up. So, Corrinne and Demario having sex in the pool was a “feature” of the show, not a “bug”. That’s what’s SUPPOSED to happen. So, calling attention to it in the way that they did, from a producer (unnamed btw) that didn’t even see it happen? Make of it what you will.

  2. ocred83

    August 30, 2017 at 9:47 AM

    It seems clear that Corrine wanted to ride out being the victim if she could, and once it came out that Demario didn’t do anything wrong, she was forced to correct it and just say it was “annoying”. Basically she did a huge disservice to women and the sexual assault conversation.

  3. tinyred500

    August 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM

    I agree with a lot what has been said in the above comments. This whole Corrine/Demario thing did come across as huge media thing in the end and it did indeed create a lot of attention for the franchise (none of it positive I might add).

    The worse part was the victim thing, and Corrine just didn’t let go of that (RS is so right about that!) she insisted she was one. If she says she was a victim of the media, then I’m sorry to say that she brought the whole thing on herself. She hasn’t apologised for her shocking and embarrassing behaviour (blame on drink with prescription medication instead) and she still hasn’t apologised to Demario. I’m not saying what he did was right or nothing to be ashamed of, but for weeks he was made to look like he was guilty of something. Corrine needs to do a lot of growing up and should just go away and not be on telly again. ABC etc needs to publicly apologise to Demario, they dragged their sorry heels for far too long with this sad and abysmal scandal. This should signal the end of BIP IMO.

  4. thedoctor

    August 30, 2017 at 11:08 AM

    So what medication causes one to not remember anything and be blackout drunk while still fully functioning?

  5. jlal

    August 30, 2017 at 11:16 AM

    I’m still trying to figure out Corrine’s “victim” stance too. She being embarrassed by her behavior doesn’t really add up, since she acted almost as bad on the Bachelor. I heard she had a boyfriend at home, so maybe she was trying to cover her actions for him. But, again she got naked in the pool, and from all accounts was the initiator of a sex act, with a virtual stranger within a couple of hours of arriving, knowing cameras were running and people were watching. Even knowing since the show airs during prime time the sex act wouldn’t be shown, it is still pretty bad. I also didn’t like the way she hesitated when asked if Demario did anything wrong. They both behaved badly, considering they knew cameras were running and it is a TV show. But, Demario is no more or less accountable than she for their behavior. Also, I don’t buy the “I blacked out” scenario either. That is an excuse for her bad behavior and a poor one at that. I think ABC and she owe Demario an apology because he has and will moving forward pay a higher price than anyone.

  6. jlal

    August 30, 2017 at 11:24 AM

    Also, as a survivor of SA myself – I really don’t appreciate it when someone falsely claims they are just to save face. It undermines real survivors everywhere. We have fought very hard for the little bit of ground we’ve gained in the judicial and law enforcement systems.

  7. bonkers

    September 1, 2017 at 4:28 AM

    Wow, people are very harsh on Corrine. This whole scandal is such a messy situation. Remember the producer who filed the complaint was Corrine’s “good friend”, whatever that means. So Corrine doesn’t remember what happened, and has a friend telling her that she was sexually assaulted? Meanwhile millions of people are slut shaming her from all directions and another million people are accusing Demario of rape. What a scary situation for a young girl to be in. I don’t blame her one bit for keeping quiet for a few weeks while the investigation was pending, especially as she was probably listening to advice given to her by lawyers.

    Why should Corrine have to apologize to Demario anyway? He is just as much to blame for the situation as she is… meaning both of them participated, and neither of them caused it. They were *both* two adults getting drunk for fun on a tv show and while they both should have realized that acting that way publicly could attach a stigma to their names, they were both willing to risk it for the chance at fame. And who could’ve predicted such a scandal with overblown media attention?

  8. bonkers

    September 1, 2017 at 4:39 AM

    Also I wouldn’t bet money on the fact that Demario is the one unquestionably getting the worst deal in all this. Obviously it is terrible for both of them, but Corrine’s name is attached to it on Google as well, and “the slut that falsely cried victim and ruined a poor man’s life” isn’t exactly a great label either.

  9. tjudd

    September 1, 2017 at 12:08 PM

    Before I leave a long ass comment, I want to make sure it posts.

  10. tjudd

    September 1, 2017 at 12:17 PM

    Ok, a few things: 1. None of these people on BIP are all that attractive. I just don’t dont get the appeal. 2. Wtf with Daniel?? He’s a butta face. If you chopped his head off, yes, he looks good. Other than that he sucks a$$. His personality is awful. Hes not funny. At all. And he’s honestly not even good-looking, except from the neck down. 3. One name- Jasmine. I just cant with her! She is the epitome of ghetto trash!! Who tf does she think she is??? I want to slap the tv whenever shes on! 4. I’m not understanding the appeal of Raven. Yes, she seems like a sweetheart, but gf needs a makeover! That hair, the greasy face. I dont get it. 5. Wtf is up with Robbies hair??????? He thinks he is all that & a bag of chips. He looks like a kid who just discovered hair gel & smacked himself upside the head. 6. Amanda – again, I dont see the appeal. She’s ok. Seems to look more haggard the more times she comes on these shows. 7. I could say something about all of them, but I need a whole blog. BIP is like a damn trainwreck. I want to look away, but I just cant?

  11. vinnie

    September 1, 2017 at 9:29 PM

    Anybody else notice Matt’s full head of lucious hair?! I know what he did with his BIP $$$!

  12. atleast4characters

    September 2, 2017 at 4:45 PM

    To that last reader email that “thought Corinne came off as well spoken, thoughtful, and much more intelligent than we have seen her in the past” here’s a sample:

    “The first day, unfortunately, I don’t remember much of. I definitely overdrank. I did. I, you know, was also on some medication that you’re not supposed to drink on, which I didn’t know. And, um you know, the combination of the two, you know, is just not a good combination. I’m now weaning myself off that medication — knowing more about it and everything, which you — something I learned is you always should know, you know, more about what you take in your body and things like that. So yeah.”

  13. qtontv

    September 3, 2017 at 7:57 AM

    OMFG how pathetic and desperate does Lacey come across?? Hopefully she watches this and does some self-esteem boosting but she seems like the type to blame everyone else for “making” her feel the way she does. As for Corinne, slut shaming is stupid but it’s a character flaw to leave someone out to dry for something a few decades ago they could have been lynched for. She deserves to be financially hit the way DeMario has been stigmatized. Hopefully she blew a bunch of her inheritance money on her “holllywood lawyers” and never gets anymore airtime. She is a walking, talking liability that doesn’t care who or what she destroys. And if she really doesn’t like this type of attention, maybe next time she’ll think twice before she sticks her p**** in someone’s face while on TV or own up to her actions. Nothing wrong with owning your sexuality, but don’t call yourself a victim when it’s your own doing

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