So with everything we’ve seen up to this point, all the clips we’ve seen of the end, the information I’ve gotten behind the scenes, we’re a month away from the finale, so let me give you as much I can right now. However, I’m telling you, you’re still going to have questions. Nothing is black and white about the rest of the season. As I said from the very beginning once filming was over, there were two things I specified: this was not a normal ending and there was no engagement in Australia on final rose ceremony day. There are things in this timeline that I just don’t know yet. This is more about the HOW not necessarily the WHO. Because I’ve said numerous times over the last couple months: this is between two people: Madison and Hannah Ann. Hannah Brown, producers, anyone outside the top 2 – none of those people have anything to do with the finale. I hope you see that by now. If you’re holding out hope for something like that, it didn’t happen. So let me fill you in on what I can.
And even though I don’t have everything set in stone, I feel pretty good about reporting what I can today. Although considering the wrath of some people online, this could backfire. When I get told I know nothing, or I was wrong about the Mykenna & Tammy 2-on-1, or Victoria P. didn’t eliminate herself and people use that as their narrative that I’m wrong, it just makes you shake your head. They’re acting like I told you Victoria P. got eliminated in episode 2, when she really lasted til episode 6. I’m giving you the right elimination in the right episode and that’s still not good enough for some people. Mykenna got eliminated 5 minutes after the 2-on-1 date happened, but since I said they both got eliminated, that means in people’s minds I was wrong and know nothing about this season. I’m having a hard time understanding why people have to nit pick everything? Like I said, you act like I gave you nothing all season. If I were to list every correct spoiler I posted before you even saw a clip of this season, it’d honestly be about a 100 points long. So if you have to come back to me with “But you said Mykenna got eliminated with Tammy” as your argument, then you’re basically just being a troll, honestly. And by the way, just because they showed Peter eliminating Victoria P. completely out of the blue, doesn’t mean it wasn’t made aware to him that she needed to leave by a certain date. Just keep that in mind when you try to use that as an argument.
I believe I said last week that 90% of the guesses people have had this season on how this all plays out has been, “Oh, Madi leaves and Peter chases her down. That’s who his mom is talking about to ‘bring her home.’” And on the periphery, yeah, I’d say that’s the gist of this season, but it doesn’t tell the whole story. Because there are still holes in the timeline in terms of when and how things happen. Lets start at overnight dates and go from there, since we know Victoria F., Hannah Ann, and Madison are the 3 women who go to Australia. And we know from previews that Madison is the one who makes it known that if Peter has sex (or is intimate with anyone), that would be hard on her. According to Robert Mills, apparently she tells Peter this during their overnight date:
What I can report to you today after trying to get this confirmed over the last couple months is this: Peter does have sex in the overnight dates. Shocker, I know. However, Madison doesn’t find this out because Peter tells her, but from Victoria F. and Hannah Ann. There is a girl chat that happens during overnight date week (presumably after all the overnights happen), where they are the ones to tell Madison that sex happened with Peter. One or both, I don’t know for sure, but since both women are the ones to tell Madi, I’m going to assume it was both of them. Immediately I know you have questions. Most notably, “How and when did this happen?” Because as we know, once final 4 hits, these women are always separated from each other and the only time they even see each other are at rose ceremonies, and you don’t get to chit chat about anything. All I know is that Madison first heard about Peter having sex in the overnights during a girl chat with Victoria F. and Hannah Ann. We’ve seen an ITM of Victoria F saying, “I can’t believe she waited this long to tell him she’s a virgin,” so that helps us in knowing that surely Peter didn’t tell Victoria F. on their overnight that Madison is a virgin. Which means she must’ve heard it from Madison during the girl chat. Trust me, there are a lot of voiceovers, coupled with ITM’s that we’ve seen that I’ve literally been going over for 2 months. But bottom line is, Madison has a girl chat with the other two during overnight date week and that’s when she first learns Peter had sex on the overnights.
We also know that Victoria F. is eliminated at the final 3 rose ceremony, meaning Hannah Ann and Madison are the final two. As I reported, Victoria F. has nothing to do with the finale. We don’t see her again, she doesn’t pop up and talk to Peter about anything, and there is no debate she was sent home at the overnight date rose ceremony. Once we’re down to our final 2, that’s who meets Peter’s family, then each get one last date with Peter, and then the final rose ceremony. In a normal season. This isn’t a normal season. What I can also report is what many people have suspected this season:
Madison self-eliminates this season.
But again, I’m not sure exactly at what point this happens. We know it has to happen after the overnight date rose ceremony, because that’s where Victoria F. is eliminated. But does it happen before she meets Peter’s parents? It seems like it does, but I don’t have confirmation on that. Another thing I can report to you, and reiterate again because I said this at the beginning of the season, is that Chris Harrison’s speech to Peter on final rose ceremony day, is NOT to tell him Madison just left. That’s a bigger conversation than, “I just thought you should know,” which is what Chris says at the end of that speech. That speech from Chris has nothing to do with Madison.
The other aspect about Madison’s elimination becomes this: when she left, did she actually leave the country and go home, or, did she leave like Cassie did last season and take herself off the show, but was still there. My money is on she is still there, because I don’t think they would send her home. Lets for arguments sake say when Madison self-eliminated, she literally was allowed to get on a plane and they sent her home. Well, that means only one woman would be there on final rose ceremony day, and that would be Hannah Ann. If Peter always wanted to be with Hannah Ann, and she was his #1 choice, and that’s who he was all set to be with on final rose ceremony day, wouldn’t that make that final day of filming one of the easier final rose ceremonies ever? One of the two women aren’t even there. Sweet. Don’t have to break her heart and send her home on the last day, Hannah Ann is here, she’s the one I want, and in the words of Becca Kufrin, “Lets do the damn thing.” But we know this is not a normal ending and there’s craziness on final rose ceremony day. So I don’t think once Madi self-eliminated she left the country, and she’s still “there” in Australia on the day of the final rose ceremony. Will we see her? I don’t know.
justsaying
February 11, 2020 at 12:18 PM
>>And we know from previews that Madison is the one who makes it known that if Peter has sex (or is intimate with anyone), that would be hard on her. According to Robert Mills, apparently she tells Peter this during their overnight date.
So Madi, obviously frontrunner, told Peter she’s not going to be happy if he gets it on with other women and he went ahead and had sex with the other two overnight dates?? Okkk he is manifesting some kind of personality disorder to me. Whatever you all want to call it.
crushonspivey
February 11, 2020 at 1:04 PM
I think last night the writing was on the wall already here. Madison laid out her heart about what she wants in a marriage, and it was PAINFULLY obvious that it is not what Peter wants. Not at all. Madison wants a religious guy. Peter is not a religious guy at all. And he did’t want to say so so he hemmed and hawed around it. The long pause was so obvious after Madison talked about what she wants, and she is serious as she takes her morals very seriously. It is all very personal to her.
Then, add in the fact that Peter knew she was religious, lived her convictions, and then told him she’d struggle is he had sex with the other girls, and he did it anyway. To me, that tells me he didn’t really love her. For better or worse. Not that this is a problem, but if he truly wanted to be with her, he’d have respected that, and put her first. But he didn’t. He put his sexual desires first. I don;t think that makes him a sociopath, just a selfish guy if he went for it then expected Madison to be chill with it.
What is obvious here is that Pete and Madison just aren’t a good match. They want different things, have different values. Madison wants her life to be filled with faith and a guy who shares that with her. That just isn’t Peter. And that is ok. What isn’t ok is if he is playing her just to try to get her in the end and faking it to get her. Then, that is selfish and dishonest. He should see it and just walk. They’re not compatible with some big stuff.
winsomeone
February 11, 2020 at 1:46 PM
What a mess Peter is. Madison should run for the hills.
all4one
February 11, 2020 at 6:16 PM
Thank you Steve for filling us in on what you know!! We all appreciate you, and you make the season more fun.
I just want to say that the irony is thick here.
“Just send me home if you’re going to be physical with other people.”
Luke- crucified
Madison- understood
Hannah- a hero
Peter- a philanderer
You don’t deserve her Peter. But fortunately for you that’s what grace is. God giving us things we don’t deserve.
justsaying
February 11, 2020 at 7:20 PM
all4one,
Luke was crucified even before the whole sex talk began, be fair. His general cockiness was his demise. Hannah was upfront with Luke as well regarding her being physical, unlike Peter, from what RS said.
Miaperdido
February 11, 2020 at 7:43 PM
Or Madison leaves and then Hannah decides to leave as well. Never had that happen before. He goes after one of them later. They film it.
all4one
February 11, 2020 at 8:10 PM
Just saying,
You’re right.
Gina
February 11, 2020 at 8:10 PM
Maybe they both leave because they feel like he lied- then him and madi end up together after. They’ve been throwing him under the bus all season and made him look awful, would it be outrageous for that to happen again in the finale?
irisvioletgrey4
February 11, 2020 at 8:10 PM
Ooh, I love that theory, Miaperdido! Peter gets his comeuppance and for the first time in years, the final women don’t compromise themselves in order to be the winner.
Statler Without Waldorf
February 11, 2020 at 9:29 PM
Madison may have actually been looking for a husband in this(?) and a secondary benefit was becoming a “social media influencer”.
Hannah Ann clearly went on this show to work on her fake crying skills and grow her social media influence/“modeling” career.
Peter is even worse than Arie was as a Bachelor. He’s immature, has no backbone and is just chasing tail and getting it wherever he can as much as he can. That’s fine and all, but good grief, I can’t remember the last time I watched a season with so many unlikable cast members. Oof.
Sounds like they all need to end up alone with their Instagram follower counts to console them.
ladybirdrn
February 12, 2020 at 1:28 AM
I’ve never given a response until now. Steve is over thinking this. You can’t spoil what hasn’t been filmed. I believe He’s with Madison. She may or may not leave the island but production will make it appear as if Madison did. Peter didn’t even have Her fathers permission. Maddie never met the parents since the girls told Her they had sex with Peter. At that point why would Maddie meet His parents(see them again). She most likely Was shocked,sad,upset. At that point she leaves (maybe goes as far as a hotel room) if he was going to pick Hannah He’d of filmed on. Also Peter said He knew after date 4.I will Bet Peter knew the day he took Maddie to his Parents vow renewal. I saw that look he had for her then. It’s clear although the same age Hannah is more Imature and shallow. Has no real future goals. I know recently even Peter was unsure about Hannah who he said was young and had walls up. I didn’t get the feeling Hannah was all that into Peter. On their date she even acted unsure. So just like Colten Peter goes after Maddie. They decide to date so IF AND WHEN he proposes She can feel special. Time has now gone by since he slept with Victoria and Hannah. In their alone dates they agree to get engaged on live TV. That’s why it’s not spoiled. Only a few ppl even know this will happen. It also gives them an out if they decide they want to date longer then they will be no after the Rose engagement. Maybe we don’t know the exact step by step order but He is with Maddie who needed time to get past Peters over nights. Most girls if they were honest especially a virgin wouldn’t want a proposal right after Peter had sex with others. Also Peter and Maddie needed time to date and For Peter to get to know her father so they could get His ok. No way is Maddie getting engaged without Her dads permission.
dogmomma
February 12, 2020 at 5:35 AM
I don’t remember the order of overnight dates, but if Madi’s overnight was 3rd, and she told Peter that she would have a hard time with him being intimate with the other 2 girls, then he would have already been intimate with them. But if Madi was first and told him not to do that but he did anyway, then I think that would be a huge deal breaker for her.
I hope Peter has learned a lot from his experiences on the show. I don’t think he’s a bad person who needs to be crucified, but he was weak and vulnerable and made lots of bad choices, which is exactly what the producers are paid to do to people.
tinyred500
February 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM
@Statler, ‘Peter is even worse than Arie was as a Bachelor. He’s immature, has no backbone and is just chasing tail and getting it wherever he can as much as he can.’
Ouch at Arie, did you forget he got married and now has a baby girl? In that regard he was genuine with his Bachelor quest, he may have fudged up the end by picking the wrong girl at first, but he got there in the end. I agree Peter is too immature, not able to stick with any decisions made and is making a lot of poor decisions thus far. Whether Peter actually picks a girl, gets engaged and marries her, remains to be seen.
ru80
February 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM
If you go to Madison Prewett Instagram go to her rose stories there is a pic she put up a day ago with her on Peters Back. I don’t know how old the pic is but why would she put up a pic if she was not with him after he slept with one or two or three of the Girls?
marie101?
February 16, 2020 at 10:21 AM
I think Madi and Luke P. should get together. They have the same belief system for sure. I think her removing herself from the end made her more attractive to Peter. But not sure, he may have been ready to choose her anyway. It won’t be a stable relationship unless one of them becomes a little more accepting of each other’s beliefs, and you don’t usually see that with conservative Christians… it’s all or none. I guess we all will see how it plays out in the end.
toastie
February 17, 2020 at 10:51 PM
My favorite theory is that Tyler C shows up on the final rose ceremony day to give peter some advice, and then ends up interrupting him, confessing his love, and peter chooses him. They adopt a bunch of dogs and kids and feed so many underprivileged children all over the world, and just generally bring joy and attractiveness to the people… it’s my theory, I made it up…