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The Bachelor 24 - Peter

The “Bachelor” Peter – Debunking Producer Theories, & I Fill You In On What I Know Up to This Point

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Knowing now that Madison eliminated herself at some point during the final week of filming, surely the obvious next conclusion to make is that’s who Peter’s mom is talking about when she says to “Don’t let her go…bring her home to us.” Because why would she be saying that about Hannah Ann? SHE’S STILL THERE. And if your response is, “Well maybe his mom is saying that post-filming and that doesn’t happen before final rose ceremony,” then I guess my question in return would be, “If she’s saying to Peter ‘don’t let her go…bring her home’ post-filming, yet he had a chance to pick Hannah Ann on that final rose ceremony day, how could the mom be referring to Hannah Ann?” It doesn’t make sense for Peter’s mom in that clip to be referring to anyone other than Madison. Do I know 100% she’s referring to Madison? No. I’m just thinking out loud with the things I know versus what we’ve been shown.

The guesses that 90% of you have had of “Oh, well Madison leaves because Peter has sex and he chases her down,” yeah, that might be the gist of all this, but how it happens and when is still unknown. When people have said “chases her down,” what exactly does that mean? Where? Because we don’t know for sure if she left Australia or was still “there” even after self-eliminating. I keep coming back to this point of if Hannah Ann was the only woman still present on final rose ceremony day, and Hannah Ann was the woman Peter wanted, seems to me it’s a pretty easy ending. He picks her, and they’re together. I just don’t see it happening that way. You might relate this to the Des/Chris ending where she was all distraught over Brooks, then moved on with Chris. Hey, maybe Peter does do that. I just don’t believe that is the case this season. HOWEVER, since I don’t 100% know who Peter is with right now, it’s still a possibility.

Which then brings us to, “Well, what if he left Australia single, and was dating both women post-show,” or, “he’s not gonna make his final decision until the ATFR.” Again, I don’t think that’s the case because of the clip I posted on page 2 where Peter was specifically told a theory he was single, and responded with “I haven’t heard the actual ending yet though.” So I do not believe any final decision is coming at the ATFR. I also think that what happened on that final day in Australia doesn’t necessarily mean is what is happening in real time. Chris Harrison and Robert Mills (and Mills said it again yesterday in in this interview if you didn’t read on page 1 that “I would say even now the roller coaster hasn’t ended and it won’t end until After the Final Rose”) have been promoting and teasing all season things like “it might still not be over” and “we’ve seen in recent seasons, it’s technically always still going” so yeah, some finality will be had at the ATFR. Mills is very strategic in his answers. He’s not going to flat out lie. If there was one set couple that came out of this show and everything has been rainbows and daffodils since Australia, he wouldn’t say “the roller coaster hasn’t ended and it won’t end until After the Final Rose.”

I know, it’s a lot to take in. Mostly because I have bits and pieces to things I know happened, but without knowing exactly when they happened, it’s only telling parts of the story. And I have no solid confirmation, nor has there been any given in clips, that Madison is even part of final rose ceremony. Hell, there’s still a possibility once she leaves, she’s gonzo for good, Peter struggles but eventually gets there with Hannah Ann, and they’re a couple. I don’t think that’s what happened, but I guess it’s still a possibility. My biggest thing has been trying to find out what happened on final rose ceremony day. Nothing on social media post show is going to tell me that. And you hear bits and pieces from sources and try to figure out what’s right and what isn’t.

I have heard from numerous sources “Madison is with Peter. They are dating but not engaged.” If you’re holding a gun to my head and forced me to give you my opinion of how this all plays out, I’d say that would be my guess at this point. But that’s just it. A guess. I don’t know for sure. If I did, I’d tell you. I’m telling you that that’s what people have told me, but I haven’t had the solid confirmation I need to 100% believe it. But yeah, if you’re asking me what I think Peter’s current dating situation is, I’d go with that. They are together, definitely not engaged, and they are working on their relationship because this definitely hasn’t been easy on Madison from all accounts. That answer however doesn’t explain how they technically even got to that point, which is why I’ve been so hesitant to even offer that up as opinion. Because I don’t know how they got there.

When did Madison leave – before or after she was supposed to meet the parents?
Did Madison show up at the final rose ceremony at some point?
Is she even in the country still on the day of the final rose ceremony?
If she was there, how did it play out?
If she wasn’t there, did he chase her down back in the states?
If she was there, but didn’t show up on final rose ceremony day, did filming take place after final rose ceremony day, but STILL in Australia?

There’s a laundry list of questions I’ve been asking for the last 2 months, trust me, but I’d say these are the most important ones. And they all have to do with filming from the time the overnight date rose ceremony ended until final rose ceremony day. I have convos about this with people literally every single day. I don’t know the answers to those questions. If I did, this season would be so much easier to spoil. But the two main things I did share with you today, that Madison found out Peter had sex on the overnights came from a girl chat with Victoria F. and Hannah Ann, and that Madison self-eliminated, I hope at least gives some clarity to things you can work with from here since now these aren’t guesses, they are facts.

I’m sure you’ll all have your theories and speculations going forward, but I’m pretty sure it’ll be damn near impossible to nail down every detail of how the season plays out. The basics of “Madi leaves, Peter chases after her” I don’t think are the main issues at stake here, even though ultimately I think that might be the overarching storyline of where we’re at. But even that doesn’t fill in how it all played out in Australia. We’re still a month away from the finale airing, so there’s still time for me to get more info or pieces to the puzzle. When/if I hear anything else, I’ll let you know. Until then, enjoy this craziness…

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  1. justsaying

    February 11, 2020 at 12:18 PM

    >>And we know from previews that Madison is the one who makes it known that if Peter has sex (or is intimate with anyone), that would be hard on her. According to Robert Mills, apparently she tells Peter this during their overnight date.

    So Madi, obviously frontrunner, told Peter she’s not going to be happy if he gets it on with other women and he went ahead and had sex with the other two overnight dates?? Okkk he is manifesting some kind of personality disorder to me. Whatever you all want to call it.

  2. crushonspivey

    February 11, 2020 at 1:04 PM

    I think last night the writing was on the wall already here. Madison laid out her heart about what she wants in a marriage, and it was PAINFULLY obvious that it is not what Peter wants. Not at all. Madison wants a religious guy. Peter is not a religious guy at all. And he did’t want to say so so he hemmed and hawed around it. The long pause was so obvious after Madison talked about what she wants, and she is serious as she takes her morals very seriously. It is all very personal to her.

    Then, add in the fact that Peter knew she was religious, lived her convictions, and then told him she’d struggle is he had sex with the other girls, and he did it anyway. To me, that tells me he didn’t really love her. For better or worse. Not that this is a problem, but if he truly wanted to be with her, he’d have respected that, and put her first. But he didn’t. He put his sexual desires first. I don;t think that makes him a sociopath, just a selfish guy if he went for it then expected Madison to be chill with it.

    What is obvious here is that Pete and Madison just aren’t a good match. They want different things, have different values. Madison wants her life to be filled with faith and a guy who shares that with her. That just isn’t Peter. And that is ok. What isn’t ok is if he is playing her just to try to get her in the end and faking it to get her. Then, that is selfish and dishonest. He should see it and just walk. They’re not compatible with some big stuff.

  3. winsomeone

    February 11, 2020 at 1:46 PM

    What a mess Peter is. Madison should run for the hills.

  4. all4one

    February 11, 2020 at 6:16 PM

    Thank you Steve for filling us in on what you know!! We all appreciate you, and you make the season more fun.

    I just want to say that the irony is thick here.

    “Just send me home if you’re going to be physical with other people.”

    Luke- crucified
    Madison- understood

    Hannah- a hero
    Peter- a philanderer

    You don’t deserve her Peter. But fortunately for you that’s what grace is. God giving us things we don’t deserve.

  5. justsaying

    February 11, 2020 at 7:20 PM

    Luke was crucified even before the whole sex talk began, be fair. His general cockiness was his demise. Hannah was upfront with Luke as well regarding her being physical, unlike Peter, from what RS said.

  6. Miaperdido

    February 11, 2020 at 7:43 PM

    Or Madison leaves and then Hannah decides to leave as well. Never had that happen before. He goes after one of them later. They film it.

  7. all4one

    February 11, 2020 at 8:10 PM

    Just saying,
    You’re right.

  8. Gina

    February 11, 2020 at 8:10 PM

    Maybe they both leave because they feel like he lied- then him and madi end up together after. They’ve been throwing him under the bus all season and made him look awful, would it be outrageous for that to happen again in the finale?

  9. irisvioletgrey4

    February 11, 2020 at 8:10 PM

    Ooh, I love that theory, Miaperdido! Peter gets his comeuppance and for the first time in years, the final women don’t compromise themselves in order to be the winner.

  10. Statler Without Waldorf

    February 11, 2020 at 9:29 PM

    Madison may have actually been looking for a husband in this(?) and a secondary benefit was becoming a “social media influencer”.

    Hannah Ann clearly went on this show to work on her fake crying skills and grow her social media influence/“modeling” career.

    Peter is even worse than Arie was as a Bachelor. He’s immature, has no backbone and is just chasing tail and getting it wherever he can as much as he can. That’s fine and all, but good grief, I can’t remember the last time I watched a season with so many unlikable cast members. Oof.

    Sounds like they all need to end up alone with their Instagram follower counts to console them.

  11. ladybirdrn

    February 12, 2020 at 1:28 AM

    I’ve never given a response until now. Steve is over thinking this. You can’t spoil what hasn’t been filmed. I believe He’s with Madison. She may or may not leave the island but production will make it appear as if Madison did. Peter didn’t even have Her fathers permission. Maddie never met the parents since the girls told Her they had sex with Peter. At that point why would Maddie meet His parents(see them again). She most likely Was shocked,sad,upset. At that point she leaves (maybe goes as far as a hotel room) if he was going to pick Hannah He’d of filmed on. Also Peter said He knew after date 4.I will Bet Peter knew the day he took Maddie to his Parents vow renewal. I saw that look he had for her then. It’s clear although the same age Hannah is more Imature and shallow. Has no real future goals. I know recently even Peter was unsure about Hannah who he said was young and had walls up. I didn’t get the feeling Hannah was all that into Peter. On their date she even acted unsure. So just like Colten Peter goes after Maddie. They decide to date so IF AND WHEN he proposes She can feel special. Time has now gone by since he slept with Victoria and Hannah. In their alone dates they agree to get engaged on live TV. That’s why it’s not spoiled. Only a few ppl even know this will happen. It also gives them an out if they decide they want to date longer then they will be no after the Rose engagement. Maybe we don’t know the exact step by step order but He is with Maddie who needed time to get past Peters over nights. Most girls if they were honest especially a virgin wouldn’t want a proposal right after Peter had sex with others. Also Peter and Maddie needed time to date and For Peter to get to know her father so they could get His ok. No way is Maddie getting engaged without Her dads permission.

  12. dogmomma

    February 12, 2020 at 5:35 AM

    I don’t remember the order of overnight dates, but if Madi’s overnight was 3rd, and she told Peter that she would have a hard time with him being intimate with the other 2 girls, then he would have already been intimate with them. But if Madi was first and told him not to do that but he did anyway, then I think that would be a huge deal breaker for her.
    I hope Peter has learned a lot from his experiences on the show. I don’t think he’s a bad person who needs to be crucified, but he was weak and vulnerable and made lots of bad choices, which is exactly what the producers are paid to do to people.

  13. tinyred500

    February 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM

    @Statler, ‘Peter is even worse than Arie was as a Bachelor. He’s immature, has no backbone and is just chasing tail and getting it wherever he can as much as he can.’

    Ouch at Arie, did you forget he got married and now has a baby girl? In that regard he was genuine with his Bachelor quest, he may have fudged up the end by picking the wrong girl at first, but he got there in the end. I agree Peter is too immature, not able to stick with any decisions made and is making a lot of poor decisions thus far. Whether Peter actually picks a girl, gets engaged and marries her, remains to be seen.

  14. ru80

    February 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM

    If you go to Madison Prewett Instagram go to her rose stories there is a pic she put up a day ago with her on Peters Back. I don’t know how old the pic is but why would she put up a pic if she was not with him after he slept with one or two or three of the Girls?

  15. marie101?

    February 16, 2020 at 10:21 AM

    I think Madi and Luke P. should get together. They have the same belief system for sure. I think her removing herself from the end made her more attractive to Peter. But not sure, he may have been ready to choose her anyway. It won’t be a stable relationship unless one of them becomes a little more accepting of each other’s beliefs, and you don’t usually see that with conservative Christians… it’s all or none. I guess we all will see how it plays out in the end.

  16. toastie

    February 17, 2020 at 10:51 PM

    My favorite theory is that Tyler C shows up on the final rose ceremony day to give peter some advice, and then ends up interrupting him, confessing his love, and peter chooses him. They adopt a bunch of dogs and kids and feed so many underprivileged children all over the world, and just generally bring joy and attractiveness to the people… it’s my theory, I made it up…

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