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The “Bachelorette” Clare – Episode 3 Recap, Allegations Against a Contestant, & The Embarrassing Social Media Response to the Yosef & Zach Situations

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-There were two other group dates this episode surrounding the Yosef and Zach instances. The first one was cancelled by Clare and she just made it a long cocktail party which turned into the Clare/Dale show. The thing is as I told you yesterday, this episode was not gonna be good for Clare. This edit she’s getting certainly isn’t doing her any favors. Why are they doing it? I don’t know. Maybe it’s because they had Tayshia before this season even started and they really didn’t care what Clare did. We’ve gotten to a point with me covering this show like I do that any time I give insight about behind-the-scenes stuff I’ve heard/been told/seen, unless I provide proof of it, people start questioning it’s validity. I’m sorry, but I’m not going to out sources to appease you. Based on things I’ve heard and texts that I’ve seen, I absolutely believe that Tayshia was planned before the first night of filming ever happened. Too many things point to it that I know about. But I cannot share those points without outing people. However, this edit Clare is getting certainly should be playing a role in the credibility of what I’m reporting for those that aren’t privy to the info I have. It’s like they’re saying, “Screw it. Who cares? We’re bringing Tayshia in, so lets make Clare’s portion as messy as we can. It’s only 4 episodes.” And they’ve sure done that.

-Yes, we know that Dale was the front runner in Clare’s head before the season even started. And that’s because she liked what she saw on his IG for 4 months during shut down. She’s said as much in interviews that she was watching her guys actions on social media before the season. Who wouldn’t? The pandemic allowed her to and afforded her an opportunity that no other lead has been given, so she took advantage of it. And during that advantage, she went into the show with a mindset of Dale was the guy she wanted, and once they met, whatever she saw on IG for 4 months leading into the show, was confirmed. She was smitten. Clearly. And the show knew that. And they played it up as much as they could.

-Yes, Clare favorited Dale. Probably too much. But you also have to understand that the show is giving you a narrative to push that as hard as they can. Did she take Dale away first on that cocktail party? Yes. Did they show as much as they could of Clare and Dale rolling around on the bed together? Yes. Did they barely show her time with any of the other guys? Absolutely. But you do realize there are hours and hours and hours of footage that weren’t shown of Clare getting alone time with each and every guy at that cocktail party. They’re just choosing to show you most of her time with Dale, and as little as possible with the others to push a narrative.

-Look at it from the flip side. What if in last episode, and then again in this episode, they NEVER showed Clare’s time with Dale, never shoved the Clare/Dale thing down our throat, and instead of showing her time with Dale, we saw her talking and making a connection with, I don’t know, Bennett, Riley, Ben, whoever. Then come next episode all the sudden, Clare says she’s madly in love with Dale and leaves with him. Then what would you reaction be? “What the hell? Where did that relationship come from?” So what exactly is it you want? I know you’re trying to say that while it’s ok she liked Dale, she didn’t have to disrespect the other men by being so “Dale, Dale, Dale” all the time. What I’m trying to say is she’s being “Dale Dale Dale” all the time because that’s what the show is choosing to show you. Again, not saying it all would’ve mattered in the end since she was picking Dale regardless. I’m just saying production is making it worse than it probably was.

-However, if you’re one of the other guys on the show, you definitely have seen that she clearly likes Dale, so I get why they’d be a little bothered. However, it’s not like when Tayshia gets brought in, the 16 guys remaining all leave the show in protest because they all wanted Clare. They seemed to be fine with a new Bachelorette being brought in. I would love to hear what they say at the Men Tell All. But even moreso, maybe on social media when the show is over. I honestly don’t think the guys were as bothered by Clare/Dale as the show is making it out to be. And by the way, when Clare addresses the guy next week to basically tell them she’s leaving with Dale, I don’t know which guy but it is brought to her attention about some thinking she and Dale were in contact before the show. And Clare swears on her deceased father that she wasn’t, according to Robert Mills. So yeah, if you still wanna die on that hill, and you just know that Clare and Dale were talking pre-show, go off. Didn’t happen. Clare said it didn’t, Dale’s sister said it didn’t (on IG during filming), Michelle Money said it didn’t (who Clare is very close with), and I heard it didn’t either. But again, it’s like people absolutely cannot or will not accept something as truth unless they see/hear proof of it. And why is it so hard to believe anyway?

-When this was first brought up, you can absolutely go back to one of the lives that Ashley and I did, and even I was like, “Damn, how were these two NOT talking pre-show if she left 12 days into filming with him?” I was convinced they did. But it was based on nothing and just a strong opinion. Then when information was presented to me, I realized that information was much bigger than an opinion I had, so my stance changed. I don’t understand why people can’t do that. Not just with this situation, but with anything really. We’re in times right now where facts don’t even matter to people anymore. Their own self truths do. Well I hate to tell ya’, but sometimes just because you believe in your heart something to be true, doesn’t mean it is. Gather as much info as you can about something and then take a stance. I don’t think enough people are doing that in this situation.

-The clips of Clare and Dale all over each other, then the voiceover of her saying “fiancé” to a producer, and the “can we hurry this up” and “thanks for coming” stuff is such small potatoes to me. I’m not dismissing it, but this episode and the social media reaction that I’m seeing has me disgusted. I’ve been venting all last night and this morning to people about it. And I’m sure on my live with Ashley tonight you’ll get more of it. It’s just a sad state our society is in. If the ultimate end game is that Clare and Dale are happy, seemingly engaged, and together right now, I just don’t feel the need to critique every single thing in the episode. And I’m guessing every guy on that show is happy for Dale and Clare now, so, why the need to harp on how they felt back in July when this was going down? Because like I said, I truly don’t think any of them were as bothered by it as the show made it out to be. But, it’s a TV show, they have to sit in a room with a producer who’s asking, “So what do you think of this Clare/Dale relationship. Do you think it’s fair” blah blah blah. If they say, “Eh, whatever” that’s not a good soundbite. So I get it. They HAVE to play it up and that’s what they did.

Next week we get Tayshia coming in and, well, if you want a “Bachelorette” that’s basically a 180 from Clare, here it comes. That’s neither good or bad. I’m just telling you, it’s gonna be different. And by the way, you better enjoy the Clare/Dale love story this season – because that’s the only one you’re getting.

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  1. realityjuls

    October 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM

    1. Yosef’s behavior was disgusting

    2. I think RS is being way too harsh on Zach. He was one of the very few guys that were definitely there for Clare, for the right reasons (read his casting bio as well as one of the guys commented last night Zach is “in love”). I think he felt the whole situation was a huge miscommunication- he was so into her and so excited when she went in for a kiss, but when she retracted he wanted her to know he wasn’t rejecting her. He wanted to correct it in that moment. I don’t think touching her to say “hey I do want a kiss!” when they were on a date, about to kiss, surrounding by the crew was overly aggressive and RS is painting the picture that way. Respect Clare’s decision to send him home if it made her uncomfortable (bearing in mind it was clear she was just never into him-I think she forgot who she was with for a minute when she went in for the kiss). But it’s careless for a figure like RS to write up this description, putting him in the same bucket as Yosef who’s behavior on the episode was despicable, and Eazy who RS seems to be implying is most likely accused of sexual or physical assault. Don’t come at me, I’m a sexual assault survivor myself, and this is just my opinion. Not a particular Zach ‘stan’ either, I just don’t think him being thrown under the bus is fair, he got rejected and embarrassed enough in last night’s episode.

    Also agree Clare is getting way too much unnecessary hate and a bad edit, but not going to lie, it’s boring when it’s this clear who she’s picking and she’s not trying to hide it from the other men. Looking forward to the Tayishia change up and curious how the guys will react to her. If they can switch gears so quickly, they probably weren’t ever that into Clare from the get go.

  2. rob22

    October 28, 2020 at 10:57 AM

    As far as the narrative, I’ll agree to the extent that it’s been published by RS in several other seasons that the lead had effectively picked the winner very early on & it was obvious to everyone on set. However, the edit in those seasons chose to cover up that fact to make it look better. This season, it happened, and they’ve chosen not to cover it up. Maybe this was the plan all along & Tayshia was going to arrive to save the franchise from the beginning. Whatever. It’s just bad TV. If they chose to make the Clare episodes this way intentionally, it’s just dumb producing. Nobody wants to see guys as either villains or irrelevant from the start. Even Dale “the winner” doesn’t even look really good the way they edited things. The whole comedy show thing just through mud at him. How are they even going to bring the rest of the guy’s over to Tayshia’s season? Everyone is tainted by this fiasco. IMO: Clare was a terrible pick anyway. She was on Juan Pah-Blow’s horrible season & then at two BIPs (and the embarrassing Winter Games) where they had her speaking to a racoon at one point. (I know it was produced garbage). So this is the person that’s the Bachelorette. Maybe they figured out that the season was doomed even before the season actually started and this is the show’s exit strategy. Oh well, I guess we’ll see what happens. Everyone keeps tuning in, so I guess it won’t kill the show. But it should. It’s just terrible TV.

  3. crushonspivey

    October 28, 2020 at 11:30 AM

    Yosef was ungentlemanly. yeah Clare wasn’t blameless there, but he lost it.

    As to Zach, seems there were just some crossed wires all the way around. Was just really awkward to watch Clare overreact, then Zach be confused and try to recover and not handle it great either.

    I think TPTB saw how things were going down, they saw how Clare was as a lead and what was happening with Dale, and they KNEW they had to get a Plan B is place ASAP. And once they saw that Clare had lost the guys because it was so obvious she only had eyes for Dale and was alienating the other guys with her actions, they put Plan B in place. Because she couldn’t fake it like other leads could. My guess is that it happened quicker than they thought it might, but they were ready. Big $$ on the line for the show, so they had to be ready. Plan B happens and the season gets some extra drama and saved at the same time.

    I look forward to seeing how the Tayshia intro goes down and how the guys react. I bet most of them are all about it. I would have been. Going from a lead that is hard to read and all into another guy to a lead where you have a shot? Yep, sign me up.

  4. buckeyegrad12

    October 28, 2020 at 12:04 PM

    I don’t think Claire is a bad person, just a terrible Bachelorette. I agree with the above comments that the Zach situation triggered her and she overreacted. I had to re-watch it like 4 times and I never really saw anything terrible on his part. :-/

  5. elfudge101019

    October 28, 2020 at 12:24 PM

    Yikes so Tayshia’s story doesn’t have a happy ending? I’m guessing that’s what you mean when you say Claire/Dale will be the only love story we get?

  6. whydoiwatch

    October 28, 2020 at 1:25 PM

    It’s really disturbing to me to see people defending Zach Jackson here, and I find his response appalling.

    First of all, he did pull at her. Watch it again. You can see her entire body jut forward with the force of him arm tugging her while he stands in the pool. Second of all, he didn’t just do it once. It wasn’t just a mistake. He put his hands on her neck twice against her will. Third of all, I see people saying “he just seemed confused/embarrassed/panicked” as if that is any excuse. Of course he felt one of those things. The emotion he felt is not the issue. The problem is how he channeled that emotion and chose to behave. If a guy punches a woman in the face, is it appropriate to say “oh, he was just angry/embarrassed/panicked.” Of course not. The emotion doesn’t permit the action. So why in this scenario does it become the rationale for something that was wrong? He put his hands on her and was aggressive, and he did it TWICE. That is unacceptable, full stop. The fact that he doesn’t acknowledge his behavior crossed a line is a major red flag.

    But as disgusted as I am about what Zach did and his lack of accountability for his own actions, I’m more bothered by how the producers handled it. It makes it really clear to me that the producers hate Clare. If they had a shred of respect for Clare, they would’ve kicked Zach out immediately and told him that he is not allowed to grab a woman by the neck. Instead, they gave him the most sympathetic exit they could’ve given the circumstances. Instead of immediately informing him Clare was done with him, they had him get ready for the dinner date and sit around waiting so they could show him sitting at the table alone. Then they had Chris Harrison show up and apologize to him and tell him Clare isn’t coming, but they never actually explain why. With another Bachelorette, they would’ve tried to turn it into an empowering moment, like with Hannah Brown dumping Luke, but with this they tried to make Clare look like the jerk mistreating Zach. They don’t actually say that it’s not acceptable for a man to try to force a woman to kiss him against her will. They let Zach J. think it’s about the misunderstanding with the kiss and make it about the kiss. In reality, whether Clare had anything to be upset about with Zach rebuffing her initially is beside the point. It was his reaction that was the problem, but the producers don’t make it a teachable moment about consent to their massive audience. They brush it aside, allowing debates like the ones we are seeing horrifyingly play out on social media.

    This whole season so far has been about trying to make Clare look uncaring toward the guys. Are we really supposed to believe that Clare made the guys sit around for hours as if she was about to walk through the door? The producers could’ve at any moment told the guys the date was called off, or the producers could’ve told the guys they can go hang out and will be notified when Clare is on her way, but instead the producers forced them to sit around to try to rile them up and get soundbites about how inconsiderate Clare is. Do the producers really expect us to believe that Clare came up with strip dodge ball on the fly, despite the fact that we all know the producers plan the dates and despite the fact that a printed sign hanging at the venue said “strip dodgeball” right on it? Seems like it was set up for Yosef to attack her more than anything. And if Yosef just wanted to tell her off, he would’ve done it and left but instead he spoke for 20 minute while Clare remained remarkably calm until she finally lost it. I would bet anything that Yosef was instructed by the producers to not relent until he got a reaction out of her.

    None of these are new machinations, of course, but it’s disturbing to me that the production is so hellbent on making Clare the villain that they brushed off what was clearly unacceptable, aggressive behavior that crossed a line *twice*. Grabbing a woman’s neck is okay if she makes you wait around for a couple hours – right Bachelor producers? After that one-on-one, who could even blame Clare for not wanting to entertain the idea of spending anymore time with these jerks and wanting to run off with Dale? It’s not the first time Bachelorette knew who she was going to pick from the beginning, from JoJo to Kaitlyn, but this is the first time we are made to believe Clare is a terrible person because of it. I don’t buy it.

  7. polishgirl8894

    October 28, 2020 at 2:45 PM

    Sorry Steve, normally I love your commentary and this website because you point out how gross this franchise is, but I believe you have some major Clare Tunnel Vision going on which is coincidentally what she has going on for Dale. Didn’t you tell Whit & Ry that if you were to date someone from the franchise it would be Clare? I think your personal feelings are getting involved and impacting your reasoning. Yosef may have been overly aggressive and done who knows what with women off the franchise, but he didn’t do anything wrong in confronting Clare about making contestants get butt naked or not. And this is one of MANY behaviours that Clare is exhibiting that are HUGE red flags in a person in general (e.g. her bringing a dress she wore to a date and expecting her date to worship her story about it because that’s not creepy at all, being mad at Brandon for not knowing her life history, ignoring basically everyone except Dale who she supposedly never talked to before because he’s the only guy who was on social media spending time with friends, being super fake or super aggressive without any in-between, etc.). I’m pretty much over this franchise now, not that I was really watching for years now, but I’m over your website too. Whit & Ry’s commentary is hilarious but I’ll probably only watch until Tayshia replaces Clare and it goes back to the same generically degrading show.

  8. ladyjane747

    October 28, 2020 at 3:20 PM

    Jumping in here with my .02. Yosef was a jerk. Dude, you weren’t even on the date and you haven’t watched this show enough to know that strip dodgeball was not Clare’s idea? Bad look for Zach, but I don’t think he’s a monster or abuser. And did I miss something? What did Eazy do? Do we know already or is Steve being coy, as usual? I don’t dislike Clare, but she’s being rude and disrespectful to the other guys. It will be interesting when Tayshia comes on because I always wonder how contestants would fare with other leads, and now we get a chance to see that. Who is Tayshia going to click with that Clare completely overlooked? (Of course, she completely overlooked most of them.) I mean, would Jordan from JoJo’s season have been a frontrunner for Becca? Would Garrett have interested Hannah B? Would Luke P. have made an impression on Rachel?

  9. reddragon17

    October 28, 2020 at 4:41 PM

    I agree RS with almost everything. The fact of the matter is that we just went through a WHOLE THING … remember “#MeToo” anyone…? And the narrative was that we should almost always believe the victim. Clare’s body language SAID IT ALL. It doesn’t matter what Yosef or Zach is claiming now… the fact is that lines were crossed in both situations and whether the audience agrees with it or not, it mattered to HER. I stand with her, in everything she said, and did last night on Twitter as well.

    Sadly, this is one of those things where if you’ve never stood in those shoes, and been subjected to that type of behavior from Men (or women, it does go both ways), no matter how much you think you’ve healed or moved on from it, it takes LITERALLY SECONDS for one wrong move, wrong word(s) or a hand placed badly for it all to come flooding back. I am amazed that she didn’t have a bigger breakdown than she did.

    I was very much not surprised at all when Chris H. came out to talk to Zack, because of it. Once that feeling of fear, even just the tiniest little bit, starts with someone, you never ever want to be around that person again if you can help it. That was probably part of the trauma recovery she had to do, was learn when that happens, when it starts, and what to do / how to manage it when it does happen. I applaud her for doing what she did.

    The sad part is that most men – won’t say all, because there were plenty of men last night defending her – but MOST men would NEVER have any clue that what they did is wrong, because they’ve been allowed to do it their entire adult lives. If any woman or man has ever stood there and said DUDE NO, they’re clueless! That is the biggest issue I see with Zack’s response. He will never understand why he got the reaction he did, because he doesn’t want to.

    Its like the guy saying “BUT YOU MADE ME MAD” – aka Josef. These types of men will continue with their behavior because the consequences haven’t been severe enough for them to bother to understand why its wrong.

    As for the women defending them? Gross. Just Gross. You look out for your fellow sisters, and call that crap out when you see it – NOT tell the victim they did wrong. Just NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO.

    I am like you Steve, I have been upset about the response on social media as well and it just shows that rape culture will never stop because the majority of folks just won’t let it.

  10. bach1992

    October 28, 2020 at 7:35 PM

    Long time reader but first time commenting. I’m sorry RS, I usually enjoy your commentary on the seasons because you bring very good points but this time around you truly seem extremely biased towards Clare. It’s very boring to read to be honest. I agree there is no need to be hateful towards her but there are many red flags she has shown and she has treated many contestants very poorly and classless, like when she sent the contestant home for not knowing her personal details, that’s was straight up classless and you defending it makes it incredibly boring.

  11. bach1992

    October 28, 2020 at 7:43 PM

    Also, the guys verbalized how much she was making their conversations about Dale after the roast date.any of them expressed feeling like their conversation was all about dale, even if we didn’t see all their conversations, the guys expressed it on camera. It’s ok to not want to be hateful towards her, but let’s be honest RS would’ve talked way more about that If it was any other candidate but you’re spending all your time defending Clare. You’re writing paragraphs about Zach but nothing ok Clare. Yawn.

  12. justsaying

    October 29, 2020 at 8:57 AM

    Yosef went over the top scolding Clare. He had to create so much attention and go out with a bang for tv time.

    The visuals are not good. Zach grabbing Clare’s neck a couple of times.

    With that said, Clare and Dale are both tone-deaf towards the other contestants. Not a good look.

  13. crushonspivey

    October 29, 2020 at 9:59 AM

    I just re-read the recap. It is obvious that Steve has lost what he once had. Steve used to make fun of the show, and how things happened. The lead was in play, the pursuers, all of it. Even production. And there used to be some great snark. Now, the snark is gone, and woke Steve is here instead. Sort of like what happened to Ashley Spivey. Her recaps were legendary and hilarious, and now she it too woke about this show.

    These recaps need more humor, more snark, and less apologetics. We know what this is–a manufactured reality show. So can we just make fun of it again and have fun with it, all while hoping a love story happens along the way? Need to stop treating these people with kid gloves and white knighting them. Especially Clare Steve, Stop white knighting her bro.

    More Baby Eagle Face please.

  14. ctrealitygirl

    October 29, 2020 at 1:00 PM

    I totally agree with you crushonspivey! I was happy when they announced Claire as the Bachelorette but I am willing to admit now that she’s not behaving well. I do not understand why RS is falling all over himself trying to defend her actions. It appears he reads Sharleen’s posts before he writes his recap because he often states the exact sentiments as Sharleen, almost verbatim. But apparently not this week. Sharleen – who is also a Claire fan – wrote in her Flare column this week that she felt Claire was acting very selfishly in the way she treats the guys and making it so obvious that the only person she gives a hoot about is Dale. Does she forget what they went thru to be on the show? Quarantine by themselves in a room in a resort for 14 days, probably stripped of their cell phones so no outside contact. Then she can’t even have the decency to allot them some time? Or hand out a date rose? And that tantrum she had when no one jumped up to ask her to go chat was juvenile. You can’t expect a bunch of guys to know ho to react in this new format…not leaving the resort, spending all their time hanging around with the other guys. They’re probably waiting for a push. I read an article this morning citing Rob Mills’ (Bachelor exec) interview on Nick Viall’s podcast where he said that they knew from the git-go that they needed to have a back-up plan the way Claire was behaving and he referenced the group date where, instead of giving a rose to one of the guys, she gave it to herself! They could see the handwriting on the wall – that she had no misgivings about making it obvious that she was gaga over Dale. Steve needs to wake up or he’ll lose his fan base.

  15. tinyred500

    October 29, 2020 at 3:12 PM

    @Crushonspivey although I agree with the above it’s the, ‘Now, the snark is gone, and woke Steve is here instead. ‘ bit I liked the most. So glad someone said it! Steve is so woke now. *PC, Cancel Culture and Woke have killed humour and killing freedom of speech as well. I can’t comment on the change of Ashley because I didn’t start watching till Sean’s series. Steve however used to be so funny, he used to poke fun at everything to do with the shows as a whole. Now it’s either all the above* with too much politics thrown in. His podcasts are too heavy too IMHO. I wish we could roll back the years and get the sarcasm and humour back.

  16. elizabeth82

    October 29, 2020 at 7:36 PM

    I’d like to pile on: Steve is treating Clare as if she’s his personal friend and yes, where’s the snark.

    And what I’m curious about is if production brought Tayshia in because they really planned this upset, did they want a backup plan, or were they originally just planning that Tayshia could make a guest appearance?

  17. feck

    October 30, 2020 at 7:49 AM

    By completely ignoring the last group day in this article, Steve makes it very obvious that he is 1000% on Clare’s side. If anything in this episode made her look bad it was the group date and Steve completely ignores that to provide her cover, such a shame. I get it you want to protect your friends, but you can’t sit here and trash Yosef and Zach as hard as you did and provide Clare cover, all 3 should be equal trashed. what a hack.

  18. rob22

    October 30, 2020 at 11:28 AM

    I have to concur with the comments about RS having lost his sense of humor. However much Yosef deserves what he’s getting for his behavior, Claire is really clowning it up, and that should be part of the commentary. Maybe the bad plot lines on the show have something to do with it, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because every contestant is looking for an acting career, modeling exposure, to be an Instagram influencer or some other external reason. IDK. But, my situation personally is that I’ve watched this show with my wife as a bonding experience. We still record it and turn it on, but we really don’t actually watch the show anymore. One or both of us falls asleep & it’s so easy to check emails, etc. while the show is going on because not much ever happens. The drama created is really stupid and boring. Maybe most of us are tuning in out of habit, or something, but the show no longer warrants any serious watching. And as noted, RS still does have the spoilers, which is the main draw. But I stopped reading the long, boring “Reader Emails” long ago and the recaps aren’t worth it either. And btw: the podcasts, which I only started listening to since the pandemic started (Podcasts are all that keep me sane), are very long & often very little sizzle. They are almost like a very long version of Entertainment Tonight focused entirely on The Bachelor… except when they’re on some other topic nobody cares about.

  19. atleast4characters

    November 1, 2020 at 3:49 PM

    That was hilarious, Steve: writing from the perspective of the people you used to laugh at who lap up the show not understanding how the show works. Of course, by doing so, that prevented you from some fine moments to mock. Just one example was Chris Harrison after the Yosef drama when he said the show reveals what people are really like and that’s why the show “works”. But I’ll always wonder if Chris was laughing inside while he held a straight face.

  20. sweet tea

    November 3, 2020 at 1:08 PM

    I find Clare hard to watch. She’s narcissistic and was dismissive and rude to the men. She was making out in her bedroom for nearly an hour while the rest of the guys were waiting on her. She canceled dates and cocktail parties because she’s obsessed with Dale.

    Because they didn’t immediately jump up and fawn all over her, she threw a tantrum. She acts 15, not 39.

    I certainly don’t hate her but do think she was a bad choice for this show. I also think the producers were never that excited about having her and that played into the decision of her leaving. I don’t think it was just her idea.

    This is what her fourth or fifth iteration of Bachelor Nation? She’s been over-exposed.

  21. nursej

    November 3, 2020 at 1:36 PM

    @robb22

    I have always enjoyed reading your perspective on the show and human behaviour in general! I too used to watch with my husband but we have both lost interest over time-especially him. Now I just have it on in the background as I cook, fold laundry, etc. The show is not doing Clare any favours. It’s almost painting her as a hypocrite given all of the Jaun Pablo shaming pre-show. Now there will be lots of comparison between her and Tayshia. Not a good look for the ’empowering women’ campaign.

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