Hi Steve! What do you think about Tom Bergeron hosting the next season of The Bachelorette? Or do you think he is done with ABC? Mark Walberg is still my favorite choice. I think they could have Wells host Bachelor in Paradise. I can also see Chris returning for the next season of The Bachelor. I personally think he should have a chance to redeem himself after taking time away but I know many disagree. I just can’t see Tom as host of this show. I can’t see him hanging with the show for 8 weeks at a time on location somewhere. Just doesn’t fit. Plus, I don’t think someone like him would WANT to be part of this show. I feel that’d be a step down in his career.
All of your ideas mentioned for Bachelorette are good ones. I hope it’s Bri, or Michelle or Abigail. I think Serena and Pieper are too young and belong on Paradise. I hope Katie gets to go to Paradise too. I really wish they would give it to Angela though as I mentioned last week! I think after all the drama to this past season, it would be nice to have an “Arie” type season where they take a former contestant we haven’t seen in a while. But I know you have said it’s very slim pickings in terms of who is available at the moment. It certainly seems like it’s gonna be one of Matt’s women. I just can’t see them taking someone out of nowhere or a previous season.
I think your advice for Taylor was really good…she needs to stop commenting on The Bachelor. She certainly has shown that people can do the work and change, but it’s a lot harder to hear her say, “Chris should be fired” (which I don’t agree with) now knowing about her tweets. Her tweets are so much worse than anything Chris has done. Even in listening to your podcast with Taylor, she said contestants felt that Chris didn’t like them. I think as humans, we often think that people feel a certain way about us, which may or may have be true.
I recently listened to your first podcast with Ashley spivey… I had never heard it before! It was really fun to listen to!
Comment: I can’t even remember my first podcast with Ashley. That must’ve been 4 years ago. Was it any good? We’re much closer friends now than we were then. So I can’t imagine it flowed as well as we do now.
I for one am intrigued about the new host for After The Rose Emmanuel Acho, but it’s no surprise quite a lot of Bachelor Fans are the most upset about this since they seem to worship the ground Chris walks on. I honestly haven’t seen so much drama since my time being in the Pretty Little Liars fandom. It’s always a few people that ruin the fandom for everyone. I would like to say I want to see change, but tbh I dont think that’s going to happen anytime soon. At this point now, I just sympathize for Matt. The show, producer, so many have done him dirty. Him being the first black bachelor was supposed to be something great, but they ruined it by showing just drama, not enough of him. the whole thing with Chris and both Rachels. This was not fair to him. I wouldn’t be mad if he turns away from the franchise and wants nothing to do with him. This franchise and honestly mainly the fans are problematic.
The Women Tell All was so not even worth mentioning because to me it was just so bad, the honestly good things that happened when talking with the girls that were in the hot seat, especially with Abigail. I relate to her so much because I’m hard of hearing as well. I was born with an incomplete cochlear so it’s nice to see someone I can relate to on screen.
Now for the million dollar question I hope you have the answer to
What producer thought it would be a good idea to find Matt’s dad and bring him to the show to talk with him when Matt hasn’t even seen his dad for years. I feel that that was incredibly wrong and an invasion of privacy to bring someone that left you when you were a child. Obviously it seems like the conversation is not going well at all. If producers can be that evil to do that, then I don’t think I can ever apply to be on the show. idk if they done something worse, this is only my second time watching The Bachelor, but please I need thoughts on this
Comment: Yeah, I have no idea if Matt was given a heads up beforehand and signed off on it, or not. My guess would be no. This show doesn’t care about their contestants well being, they care mostly about shock value and TV moments. But it’ll be interesting to see how that conversation goes.
Ugh. When it rains, it pours. What will happen next in Bachelor Land?
1 – Taylor Nolan. I get that the tweets are somewhat old and she does do a lot of good work on Anti-Racism. I learned quite a bit in just the few podcasts I listened to recently. However, those were some terrible tweets. And her initial apology and video were awful. She blamed the tweets on her ‘whiteness’ and blamed the leak of the tweets on white trolls. She did this to herself – white people didn’t do this to her. The color of your skin does not make someone post hatred on the internet. A hate filled heart makes you do that. And I still heard some of that hate in her initial apology/reaction. I’m not sure what she can do to redeem herself in my eyes. Plenty of people feel that way. That’s how much damage her tweets did. She has to accept that.
2 – Rachel K. I truly think her past actions were out of ignorance, not out of hate. I read an article with an interview with Rachel;’s mom who said that she quit the sorority because she didn’t like their views. I think she is trying to ‘put in the work’. People may see it as Platforming – but she has a platform, so she should be using it to help educate others in similar positions. This is something Hannah B has not done. I have no problem with what Rachael has done up to this point. Clearly still being a contestant on the show and the “winner,” she can only do so much on social media. Going forward once the show is over, lets see how vocal she is on IG and social media in general.
3 – Chris. It’s hard to undo 50 years of blind ignorance. What he did in the Rachel L interview was wrong. For him to come back in any shape or form, I think he needs to talk a long look back in his past. When he can start pointing out things in his past that were racist, then I’ll know he’s learning. If he can point out White Privilege, he’s starting to get it. I think it will take awhile and take a lot of soul searching. I wish he would’ve gone on twitter or instagram in defense of all the hate Rachel L is getting. But I’m sure he’s hiding under a rock somewhere. Well, looks like tomorrow morning is when his sit down with Michael Strahan is on GMA. So while we pretty much know what he’ll say, it’ll still be interesting to see and hear him say it.
As far as this season – I’m a couple episodes behind. I haven’t seen hometowns or WTA. However, like others, I think Matt has been quite boring and I don’t see any real connections. Maybe it’s because they’ve chosen not to air all the dates. I wouldn’t blame Matt if he completely leaves the Bachelor in his past. His whole season was overshadowed by bitchy girls in the house and everything that has happened offscreen. Poor guy – he came on the season for fame and to build his brand – but all the talk has been about everything BUT him.
Comment: Yeah. Might be why he’s pretty much done with the franchise.
Just wanted to say that I think you’re being a great friend to Taylor in the true sense of the word. From your column this week it really appears like you have an understanding of what it means to ‘have someone’s back’. People often interpret this as defending our friends no matter what. But i think a true friend holds people accountable because we want to see our friends grow and be better people. It’s often the harder thing to do because it would be so much easier to tell Taylor you agree and that everyone else is overreacting. Holding friends accountable while also being a support is very counter-cultural so thank you for showing all of us that it can be done.
Comment: I wouldn’t be a real friend to Taylor if I coddled her and blew smoke up her ass and told her that her tweets are being blown out of proportion and I’m indifferent about it. Yes, she’s a friend, but that doesn’t mean I can’t tell her how I felt. And it was the first thing I said to her. I was upset, disappointed, and she really let me down. Not fun hearing that from a friend I would assume.
1. Have you noticed Tyler Cameron has not said a word about this show, this franchise, Matt being the Bachelor, etc. since his cameo episode aired? Goes to your point that Matt wants this all behind him. Sounds like so does Tyler. Whatever Matt feels about the show, Tyler does.
2. I also agree with what you said yesterday. Taylor should leave social media and go live a private life. There will be no coming back from this sadly, even if she has done so much good work. She should just leave this show in her past and live her life offline. I don’t know if she’ll have a private life, but, I do think she should never weigh in on anything Bachelor related anymore.
3. And to that point, would you say Rachael Kirkconnell should probably do the same? I know people on reddit who claim to know her are saying she really wants Matt back, but it seems he wants this chapter closed.
Comment: Well I don’t see them getting back together. But she doesn’t have a public job, so, I think we won’t see her doing much publicly I wouldn’t think.
I cannot believe they brought on Matt’s father. This is wrong in so many ways. It’s inconsiderate to capitalize off of Matt’s real life trauma AND it’s playing into a stereotype that white people have of Black fathers.
I know you spoiled the dad showing up months ago but I had assumed the whole crying mess shown in the previews was BEFORE Matt went and spoke to his father. After seeing the latest preview they aired Monday, it looks like Matt is having that complete break down AFTER the fact. (He is speaking to his dad in broad daylight, but then Matt is crying on the curb at night time. He’s wearing the same black sweater).
Do you know if Matt was able to sign off on his dad coming on?….or did he completely throw that consent out the window when he signed on the dotted line to be The Bachelor?
Comment: I can’t imagine he did. But this is par for the course for this show. Not surprising they did this. But I’m sure Matt will talk about it post show, so, we’ll hear his real sentiments regarding that.
Do the contestants have to be asked to attend the tell alls or can any/all attend?
Comment: Yes. They only invite “x” amount each year.
Long time reader, first time emailer. After watching the WTA I really wanted to get your take on the 3 dates that never aired. Granted the dates weren’t super exciting compared to other seasons when they are usually traveling but still, it would have been nice to get to know the girls a little more considering I felt like I barely knew anyone or their story. And I’m fully aware they didn’t put a ton of money into the pancakes, eggs, or bugs but still it seems like a lot of footage for them to just throw away.
Comment: I mean, I’d heard about the ring one, but that was the first time seeing the egg swallowing and pancake eating. Pretty much everyone is on the train of “why wasn’t this shown in favor of bullying and arguing amongst the girls.”
Hi Reality Steve,
Thanks for all of your hard work. I really enjoy reading your weekly recaps of the show. They are well written, hilarious and a reminder that this is a television show. Producers working overtime to create good TV.
Have you read Emmanuel Acho’s book? I can’t wait to see him host the After The Final Rose show. He’s such a welcome change. No, I haven’t. But I have watched a couple of his YouTube series under the same title. I know him more through his college football coverage on ESPN and now his daily “Speak For Yourself” show on FS1. Always liked his work.
In regards to Taylor, I am still shocked by what I read. The tweets were horrible, disgusting and so full of hate. Do you think this is the worst that has been posted by a contestant? I did unfollow her because I have a friend who was sexually assaulted. I also did volunteer teaching and a couple of my students have disabilities. But, I do believe the work she is doing is sincere and not performative. I am just so disappointed with her right now. Yes. Especially because of the volume. It’d be one thing if it was one, five, or ten insensitive tweets. It still would’ve been bad, but close to 300? Like it almost doesn’t seem real. But it is.
I completely agree with you about the tweets. Get rid of them. Nobody should have to read those especially people directly affected by them. And, yes, I agree her initial apology was too defensive. It actually made things worse. She claimed the tweets were not deleted to show her journey and growth. Yet, she accused Racist Bachelor Nation of uncovering them to undermine the work she has done. If she was concerned about her work being undermined, why not delete them so they were never found? Preaching to the choir.
I’m glad she’s got you to talk with. It’s good for her to have a friend who will be honest and direct.
Finally, I really hope Rachel does your podcast when she can. Also, Kelley and Madi would be great too.
Comment: I’d love to have all of them on. I think Rachel might be a possibility when things die down. Madi and Kelley might be tough.
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March 3, 2021 at 9:13 AM
Regarding the comment where your response was simply Bye: I stopped reading at the words “woke” and “cancel culture,” terms adopted by the right wing when people are held accountable for their words or actions. These people don’t get it and never will because they Just. Don’t. Care. Thank you for using your platform to bring awareness.
March 3, 2021 at 10:16 AM
> the words “woke” and “cancel culture,” terms adopted by the right wing
Thats a ridiculous take. People or groups don’t own words. If you’re going to attack something, attack that email rather than slandering half the country.
You may also wish to extract yourself from that echo chamber you’re trapped in.
March 3, 2021 at 10:45 AM
It is beyond ridiculous to try & keep up with all these new “buzz phrases”. Like Progressive4ever, as soon as I see the words “woke” “cancel culture”, “receipts”, and now “do the work”, I move on. Do these people not realize how stupid all these nonsense phrases are sounding? Yes, the rise of social media has spawned the need to basically type in code to save space, but using 6 words when 2 will do is just idiotic. And so little of it makes any sense.
Tl;dr for most of these letters. Steve has unbelievable patience.
March 3, 2021 at 1:48 PM
I liked how you responded to the majority of this concerning Taylor, def a step in the right direction. I appreciate it. The part that’s muddy for me is your comments I keep seeing about “hate for hate.” (On the live and on here) Talking about wanting justice and her to lose her license isn’t hate or relishing in someone’s downfall. That couldn’t be further from the truth. To me, what’s always bothered me about her is I felt like her comments were taking us steps back in terms of racial issues because of the divisive nature and hate on stances she held. Add the fact that she’s a therapist and coaching vulnerable people who seek help, it’s alarming. Someone could have been on the verge of contemplating suicide and ran across her tweets and that might have been the final push. I got my degree in mental health and it’s at the heart of what I do. I have felt super strongly about this and then this came out. I think it’s important to call it what it is. By you saying “hate for hate” I think that’s super inaccurate and you’re totally missing the point and almost downplaying it. I’m not rejoicing in what happened but I am relieved because of the concerns I have had for a long time. Have you ever asked yourself why people have the feelings they do against her? It’s not some conspiracy against Taylor. This isn’t because of “white supremacy” and “silencing the black woman.” There’s a reason, dig deeper.
March 3, 2021 at 2:02 PM
I whole heartedly agreed with this email and think it was thoughtfully and eloquently written. The fact that you stopped reading it over a few buzz words and all Reality Steve could respond with was “bye” tells me you arent ready to face your own hypocrisy.
Reality Steve – the fact that you would even attempt to defend your friend Taylor, but havent considered perhaps Chris was attempting to do the same with Rachel, confirms that you *really* need to reread the story about Jesus. And maybe take a lesson or 2 before your own past mistakes are brought to light. Because we can find them.
March 3, 2021 at 2:04 PM
exactly! if a large amount of people are ding dong the witch is dead’ing over your grave, there’s usually a valid reason.
March 3, 2021 at 2:09 PM
The ones who scream the loudest calling everyone racist to the point it loses meaning are usually the ones with the most skeletons in their closet. I for one, am kinda glad this all came out about Taylor. Shuts her up for a while and maybe hopefully for good. No need to hear her nastiness any longer.
March 3, 2021 at 2:10 PM
Right! And as much as taylor wants to believe “this is what happens when you challenge white supremacy”- yeah, that’s a no for me, dawg. Nice try, though!
March 3, 2021 at 2:10 PM
Hasnt Chris publicly apologized to Rachel twice now? That’s not good enough for you but Taylor’s defensive, deflective, excuse-ridden “apologies” were and we all just need to leave her alone now?
March 3, 2021 at 2:18 PM
The fact that Steve could only conjure up Bye as a response to a well thought out email with very valid points shows he has no leg to stand on and is too lazy to do his own work in coming up with anything thoughtful to say. Pathetic.
March 3, 2021 at 6:10 PM
Thank you for this Steve. To that long ass email you responded bye to. I’m so happy you did that because that means you saw right through her as I did as did progressive4ever.
Though eloquently written, I can’t believe the ignorance in current events and all the defensiveness towards white supremacy. She basically defended Rachael k and Chris while blaming POC for going on the show, like wtf? Did I just read that? Rachael k was 21 years old in 2018, I made better decisions than her when I was 12. Anyone with sense or education knows how wrong that was. At 18 you’re a full grown person to comprehend how distasteful what she did was. Her racist actions do not mean she’s racist but she knew exactly what she was doing,she just didn’t care because guess what? She was in her circle with all her white Friends etc,, so she thought it was ok.As far as Chris goes, he poured gasoline on himself, lit the match and burned. No excuses at all for him at his age.
The problem alot of white people are not understanding is wrong by using the term “woke police” ” cancel culture” is you’re basically saying why is everyone aware of these distasteful events happening, it was better when no one knew and poc were silenced and white supremacy was well and alive. That’s why it was a problem CH said it in the interview and when everyone else uses it to call people that are calling for CH and Rachael to do the work. Yes they apologized, that’s step # 1. Now we need to be shown step by step how they’ll do better. We are not canceling them or not forging them, we are holding them accountable and telling them to do better.
As for Taylor, yes that is beyond messed up and sickening. She has been doing the work to be better and that’s why she is a therapist today and is passionate about anti racism and any form of bullying because she used to be that person. She was wrong for blaming white supremacy for what she was tweeting but was right in blaming white supremacy for why she hated herself and was bitter about who she was. My family is biracial and I know exactly what I’m talking about here. You can ask me anything and I’ll give you clear as day examples of what we go through.
Taylor should have used her tweets to show us where she started and where she’s at now, but she never did and that’s where she lost credibility. Cats out the bag and now and it’s a disaster. A better apology and accountability is needed from her too as the 1st step and she needs to keep showing us how she can do better. All 3 were wrong and knew what they did. I see no 4 year Olds here. Even 6,7,8 year Olds know when they are doing something wrong. I was a nanny to a 6 year old who was gigling with her friend and whispering about the N word. When I called them to ask them why they said that, they explained and apologized because they knew how hurtful that word was.6 year Olds and they knew better, so why should we expect a 21 year old not to be aware of her actions?
Majority of my friend’s and family are white too and guess what? At parties they use all the words Taylor has used and everyone is mad about and even the n word just because they know they are in their circles and I’m sure everyone here does and same goes for my black family members and friends. Heck I’ve used the R word myself but definitely not in Taylor’s context and anger.
No one is a Saint here, the only difference is we are not in the spotlight and we don’t put our frustrations on Twitter like Taylor did.
March 4, 2021 at 6:34 AM
I totally agree with GoingBlonde. The email message that Steve blew off with a simple “bye” was honest, well-reasoned, and totally on point. We are all at different places on this journey and should not be “cancelled” because we aren’t where other people think we SHOULD be. The lack of compassion and understanding that he showed that person was galling.
March 4, 2021 at 8:16 AM
I think some people here need to really re-evaluate the depth of how disgusting Taylor’s comments were. The tone towards her in some of these comments versus Chris and Rachael is obvious. People say Rachael should know better because she was 18, and a few sentences later say that Taylor is a therapist today because of the hateful stuff she was saying?? What?? She was ALSO 18 and older when she made those comments. In fact she was already on her track to becoming a therapist when she made a good chunk of those comments. In fact she already HAD CLIENTS and made fun of them in her public tweets. She doesn’t get a pass, or an excuse to be treated more softly, just because she’s a person of color. I am also a person of color who struggled with self hatred at one point in my life and the evil vicious things she took the time to type out for the world to see are a problem. The more important issue here is that Taylor Nolan is a licensed therapist who has publicly broken the trust of her license. What she did is a thousand times more vile than anything Chris or Rachael did. Saying she’s ‘put in the work’ is such a bs excuse. If her intentions were true then she would have talked about these tweets long ago, rather than barking a defensive self-centered ‘apology’ and blaming white people for the hate in her heart. I am so tired of this narrative that the white people should be given higher criticism purely because of their race. Her ‘apology’ showed who she was. She is self-centered, self-serving, and self-righteous.
At this point I don’t see how people don’t see how truly messed up this is. Please take race out of it and put things into perspective. Rachael made some bad choices and wore some offensive outfits. Chris Harrison talked over a woman and said the words woke police while asking for the world to wait to hear a response from Rachael. Taylor tweeted over 300 times about rape victims, people of colors, overweight people, people with mental and physical disorders. Ask yourself who REALLY deserves to be ‘cancelled’?
Imagine leaving your therapists office and she TWEETS about you. It’s disgusting.
March 4, 2021 at 10:27 AM
I so agree with your excellent comment.
When dealing with any minority or diversity group and those within them. We shouldn’t be giving ‘anyone’ a free pass for poor or appalling behaviour. That’s why ‘all’ groups of people must be included in the discussion. It’s the only way to bring better understanding and over time…..changes.
March 4, 2021 at 11:16 AM
Ok woke Steve, can you seriously stop pushing mark wahlberg as the new host? Are you not aware of the multiple hate crimes he’s been convicted of?? He threw rocks at black children chasing them and yelling “kill the n…..s ” TWICE. Years later he attacked two old Vietnamese men, physically beating them with a plank and calling them racial slurs. This is far worse than anything any bachelor contestant or host has done. Stay woke.
March 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM
Ok I just realized this is a different mark walberg (no H). I don’t watch temptation island, I take it back, I’m sorry!
March 4, 2021 at 2:29 PM
Now need to find a way to binge watch bachelor Canada this weekend
March 4, 2021 at 4:31 PM
Maybe someday you’ll grow up enough to realize that not everybody CARES what stories were written a couple thousand years ago about somebody who very likely never even existed, let alone was a deity.
Keep your mythology for yourself. If it comforts you, that’s great. But there’s no reason to inflict it on the rest of us.
March 4, 2021 at 4:38 PM
Of course groups don’t own words, but you can tell a lot about what somebody thinks based on who else tends to use the same language and in what contexts. For example, there is nothing *inherently* racist in the phrase “fourteen words,” but anybody who’s been paying attention knows that that phrase is code for a very *specific* set of fourteen words (“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,”) that is a recognized slogan of the neo-Nazi movement. If somebody throws around the phrase “fourteen words” without a damn clear different context that makes it certain they’re simply ignorant of its coded meaning and not intending it that way, I will think they’re a Nazi and I’ll have excellent reason to.
Groups don’t own words, but they do adopt them as their own and make it clear that the words mean that somebody is one of that group. If you can hear the phrase “make America great again” and not think the speaker is a Donald Trump fan, you’re simply naive.
March 4, 2021 at 8:34 PM
@janiel The person who wrote the e-mail I think you’re referring to stated that she’s a grandmother, so I doubt she’ll “grow up” much more than she already has, though we will all, hopefully, continue to grow.
For the most part, I’m not a believer in religion or any deity so, when someone quotes religious scripture, I’m usually skeptical.
However, proverbs, regardless of where they originate, usually contain words of wisdom “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Compare with, “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.” Both statements contain wisdom regarding similar situations. Words of wisdom, and the people who quote them, shouldn’t be dismissed just because the words originate from religious scripture.
I don’t necessarily have the same overall viewpoint at the person who wrote the e-mail, but her message was well-written, respectful, and contained words of wisdom.
I also appreciated your own words of wisdom in your subsequent post, regarding “fourteen words”. I learned something valuable from you in that post, and I thank you for that.
March 4, 2021 at 11:39 PM
There is so much wrong with the Bachelor but for that matter most reality shows. Most of them objectify women and I’m not sure I’d call it misogyny but there is rampant sexism in the Bachelor franchise. I think there has been a lot of diversity lately. If you start adding all the people you suggested then you have a different TV show entirely which is fine, but it’s a different product. Call it “Diversity Dating” but it would not be the Bachelor franchise anymore. What I have noticed about this show that bothers me so much lately is the canned phrases that everyone repeats. Calling the show a “journey” “my Journey” “I see you” “hard conversations” “for the right reasons” “authentic and vulnerable” and all the phrases that pop up over and over again, it’s like they are given a script but told to just use the words whenever they can fit them in. It’s so formulatic. The whole concept of everyone being there reciting their canned phrases and hoping a life-long marriage comes out of that is crazy. It’s so fake. I don’t think the audience even expects a proposal at the end anymore.
Why should marriage even be the goal of the show when so many people don’t get married anymore?
The Bachelor show(s) is just supposed to be mindless fluffy entertainment but it grew too big and now it’s a political statement. Worst of anything besides the anorexic women is how the male lead always calls them “girls” (Chris Harrison didn’t do that) and how they are nearly always in their 20s. What is wrong with women in their 30s and even 40s? Or 50s? Why does the show have to be so young, when young people probably aren’t even watching it?
Why do they never eat a bite of food on their “dinner” dates? It’s all so fake and weird.
I never saw a male lead fake-smile so much as Matt this season. He never looked like he was enjoying any of it.
Maybe they should just trash the Bachelor/Bachelorette and just do the BIP shows. They are the most fun anyway.
March 4, 2021 at 11:56 PM
I agree, @justanopinion, Taylor Nolan has some real serious issues and shouldn’t be within a mile of a counseling or therapy job. She is way too off the grid to help anyone else reach any kind of feeling of “normal”. What she wrote on social media was so much worse than wearing bad outfits. I won’t defend RK because she doesn’t want us to defend her, but I don’t think any of her motives were actually racist, and I don’t think CH’s motives were either, but CH is definitely guilty of massive rudeness. He was trying to walk a fine line and defend his show’s “winner”, which is probably what they sent him out to do, and he did what so many other men on TV and radio do- he was rude to a woman, and he diminished her, and he talked over him. All men who do that should be publicly shamed? I don’t know, that would be pretty much all of them.
March 7, 2021 at 3:26 AM
Agreed. 100 percent. Why did Taylor get off so lightly. Why wasn’t she dragged to the dirt by Rachel Lindsey like Rachael K and Chris H? Do I smell prejudice here? How’s she make out so well when her “mistakes” lasted for years and the most vicious I’ve ever seen? Hmmm