The #1 question I’ve been asked all season (and especially after the Bimini episode where Vanessa was nowhere to be found), was “What happened with Rachel and Vanessa in Bimini during their fight you reported?” And up until recently, I didn’t know the exact details. I told you that on Jan. 2nd when I posted the spoilers. All I knew was that they had an argument in Bimini, girls pretty much sided with Rachel, and Vanessa wasn’t the most well liked girl in the house. I had my doubts that it would ever get shown knowing 1) Vanessa was engaged to Nick and 2) at the time, Rachel was a serious contender for “Bachelorette,” which we know she later got. But once there was another Vanessa incident in Wisconsin during the group date that wasn’t shown, I assumed there was no way Bimini was getting shown, which it wasn’t.
I was deciding on how I was going to present this information that I have, because the Vanessa supporters this season, while I applaud their undying loyalty to a person they know nothing about, are about as obnoxious of people as you can get. And that’s saying something considering the Arie fans I dealt with in the past. Not as bad as those people because, c’mon, is anybody? But still, they just can’t seem to accept the fact that Vanessa wasn’t the most well liked girl in the house. Did she have friends? Of course. Was she hated, despised, and they wished death upon her? No. And I never insinuated that. All I said was, and am still saying to this day, is that there was an issue with Rachel in Bimini that was apparently a long time coming, it reached a head there, and it’s why you didn’t see Vanessa at all in Bimini after her 1-on-1. I guess she just didn’t want to hang out with everyone else after the Rachel fight.
So here’s what I can tell you about the incident in Bimini regarding Rachel and Vanessa. Some will side with Rachel, some will side with Vanessa. Doesn’t matter to me. I’m just presenting you with the information I was given. Considering every single spoiler I gave you months ago has played out exactly as I told you it would, I’d take that into consideration when you’re deciding whether or not this incident happened. Which for Vanessa fans, I know will be hard to hear. But here you go:
-Vanessa approached Rachel in Bimini. She felt that Rachel wasn’t being “real” with her. Vanessa told Rachel she felt like she was bullying her in the house and ostracized her with the other women because Rachel rolled her eyes and didn’t look her in eyes during “girl chats.” She accused of her of using her “lawyer” traits and that her tone was intimidating.
-Rachel took offense to it because she didn’t see that as bullying. Vanessa backtracked on saying she felt she was ostracized in the house. Rachel told Vanessa she didn’t have a problem with her but that Vanessa made her uncomfortable.
-Said that she didn’t want to align herself with someone like Vanessa because of how she was two-faced with a few of the girls in the house. She would buddy up to tehm, relay that information on to Nick, and then go back to pretending to be friends with the girls.
-The examples that I was told were: Vanessa turned on Taylor when Taylor wasn’t popular in the house, she defriended Sarah when Nick’s friends came over for a group talk to all the girls in Wisconsin (something else that I reported but was never shown), and also tried to fake a friendship with Corinne. Rachel told Vanessa in Bimini she just wanted to keep her distance from her.
-Vanessa told Rachel she told Nick about how Rachel felt about her, and I guess that was the last straw that set Rachel off. Vanessa’s M.O. in the house was that of someone who was “manipulatively attempting to take down those she felt threatened by.”
-Vanessa was one way on camera and another way off camera with girls, and the relationship with Danielle Lo was another one used. This was the one I’d heard originally that I reported to you, in that Vanessa used her group date time with Nick in Wisconsin to “warn” him about Danielle L., who he had just been on a date with the day before, but then all we saw was them being chummy at the cocktail party in Wisconsin. She’d basically say one thing about girls then do the complete opposite when they weren’t around.
-I’m also told that the tweet Vanessa sent out the night Rachel was announced as the “Bachelorette” congratulating her was another example of how Vanessa operated. To the public, it looks like she’s supporting one of her “friends” from the show, but in reality, it was completely insincere and done to make herself look better as there’s zero relationship between Vanessa and Rachel.
-Post show, it is very apparent who is on TeamRachel and who is on TeamVanessa. Rachel was universally liked in the house and there aren’t many girls who had an issue with her. Vanessa is a different story.
That’s the background of what happened in Bimini.
-I’m well aware that what I say will never be good enough for some people. I’m just relaying as much info as I could gather on the subject. If the only words I were to write on this page was “Vanessa didn’t like the looks Rachel gave her and Rachel thought Vanessa was two faced,” there would be complaints that that tells them nothing and they need examples. But now that I’ve provided examples of WHY neither liked each other, those that like Vanessa and/or Rachel, will dismiss the examples I give as just hearsay. Vanessa fans are going to say she was focused on Nick and she didn’t need to make friends with the other girls and Rachel was totally a bully and it was rude to say she wanted to avoid Vanessa, and Rachel fans will say that Vanessa deserved what she had coming if that’s the way she treated people in the house and was that fake. It’s quite predictable what the response will be to this. Just because you like Vanessa or Rachel, doesn’t mean what they did didn’t happen. It did. I’ll love the people who doubt this is what happened. You know why? Because they’ll have nothing in return. Like, ok if this didn’t happen then what did? Please enlighten me. No one on the internet has reported anything about this. So yeah, I can’t wait for the backlash on this one. Bring it.
-So what does this all mean in the long run? Not a whole hell of a lot. Does it change anything in regards to the outcome, what’s happening now, or anything like that? Nope. Nor did I ever say it would. But it’s an important piece of information when trying to decipher if what you’re seeing on TV is actually real. Other entertainment websites and news outlets do what they do every season and talk about all this stuff on the surface and by what they see for 2 hours every Monday night. For 8 years, I try and give you the stuff I that you don’t see. Most of it I can never prove. Of course I can’t prove it, I wasn’t there. But I think I’ve built up a solid enough track record over the seasons (and especially this one) that you understand I don’t just make things up and plenty of things I couldn’t prove ended up happening. Some you see eventually play out, some you don’t. I will never give up my sources on anything I do, but I can tell you that this information did not just come to me from one place. Once I got it recently, I asked around and got it confirmed from two more parties. That’s why those two didn’t like each other. Vanessa stated her case (eye rolling and an intimidating tone) and Rachel stated her case (Vanessa being phony in the house), and from that point, neither made it a point to talk to the other person. Certainly aren’t the first two girls who didn’t get along on this show and won’t be the last.
-Vanessa and Nick are engaged. We’re a couple weeks away from the ATFR and I fully expect them to throw on a happy face and say all the right things that night. Your guess is as good as mine how long they will last, but chances are, as always, not very good. And not necessarily for the reasons you think about the distance, the jobs, DWTS, etc. It goes back to what I said before the season, what I said during the season, and what I’ll say again today: Nick and Vanessa not lasting has much more to do with him than it does with her or any fights she got in with Rachel. Nick did this show to increase his brand, he got a huge bump with the DWTS gig, and was never interested in marrying anyone from this show. He’ll ride it out, they’ll do appearances, smile, shake hands, kiss babies, etc, but at the end of the day they won’t last because it’s not what Nick wanted going in and still doesn’t want to this day. He’s Hollywood now and has been fore a while. Unfortunately for Vanessa, she’s getting dragged along for the ride. Hell, maybe she knows it and is fine with extending this out as far as she can. I don’t know. I actually feel kinda sorry for her honestly. But this season has always been about what Nick wants, what Nick needs, and what Nick can gain from this. And that hasn’t changed. Vanessa is a means to an end unfortunately. Sucks for her.
kimmyfromdablock
February 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM
First to comment….aka most bored at work.
Oscars….I don’t think anyone has ever blamed Warren Beatty. I think it’s been a pretty clear story from the beginning that accounting dude caught being star struck, handed Warren the duplicate envelope from the Best Actress category. Over it. Moving on….
DWTS…if you think a sexy man like Maks is going to be threatened by a twit like Nick, certainly no one is going to buy that. Maks is insanely hot and Nick is not. The end. Even though I’m sure Nick can dance, he is not well known or liked, so let’s hope he goes away quickly.
Taylor….proving once again that mental health professionals are often the most mental of all.
Who is Lacey?
I’m definitely Team Rachel in the Vanessa/Rachel feud. Rachel has proven herself to seem mature and reasonable thus far, so I’m going to go with that. Vanessa seems like a princess and acts like one too…so there’s that.
Corinne is a fine example of poor parenting. Her emotional growth is stunted and I blame her parents.
sarahe
February 28, 2017 at 9:51 AM
I actually know of Lacey personally because she went to my college and was in my sorority. I graduated the year before she joined, but we know a lot of the same people because of the sorority connection. From what I have heard, she has been seriously promoting herself on Instagram and Twitter, befriending other Bachelor people like Leah Block, Olivia Caridi, and Izzy Goodkind and faking her friendship with Corinne because she really wants to go on Paradise and become more famous from this show. That’s probably why she was so vocal/loud at WTA and going out of her way to make her presence known to viewers. She became Corinne’s BFF on the show in order to have that chance to be on Paradise. She’s incredibly fake and obsessed with Bachelor fame, so expect to see her on Paradise if she’s asked to be on it. She’s been posting pics left and right with guys and girls from the franchise.
hales
February 28, 2017 at 9:58 AM
I love/hate the idea of Nick being on DWTS. Obviously, I’m so over him being on my TV screen but I think this could be a blow to his ego. This will be the first time he will truly be able to tell if people like him. As Reality Steve has said, it never matters who the Bachelor is, people are going to watch the show. On DWTS people will actually have to like him enough to vote and I’m just not sure I see that happening. I will expect him to finish middle to bottom third. Chris made it surprisingly far but I think people liked him more and I think Witney has more of a fan base than Peta does. It will be interesting. And I secretly (not so secretly?) hope he gets eliminated early on to bring him down a notch.
rob22
February 28, 2017 at 10:08 AM
It’s not a revelation to say that Nick and Vanessa won’t last. But could it be any more obvious this time? Nick as much as said, to her face and to her family, that he wasn’t planning on moving to Canada. Quite obviously he’s in LA already and landed the DWTS gig, so he’s right on track for what he wanted. I can’t quite figure out Vanessa, though. I imagine she’ll hitch up to the gravy train for a bit, and she does seem emotionally invested (at least that’s how it’s been edited).
But she seems very, very tight with her family. So I don’t see anyway that she doesn’t end up back in Montreal. I’ve seen this scenario play out in real life plenty of times where someone moves for a boyfriend/girlfriend and is tight with the family. Sure enough, they’re back inside of 6 months saying “well, that just wasn’t working”. It’s also tough to end up in a strange town with no friends and no job. You essentially have to start all over again re-constructing your life. Either that, or in Vanessa’s case, she’ll probably just be following Nick around like a puppy dog as he does his thing. People do pull it off, and it can work, but I don’t see Vanessa being able to pull it off. She’ll be homesick within a month. Probably sooner. And that’s not even factoring in the level of Nick’s REAL interest in her, which probably is not that high.
I thought Ben & Lauren had a decent shot at it. They moved in together and did truly seem interested in making it work. So, if they’re not making it, then certainly Vanessa and Nick are doomed. I don’t even see how the crazies can feel good about them making it.
allaboutme
February 28, 2017 at 10:08 AM
I wonder if this is why Nick chose Vanessa? To feel less guilty about dumping them? Pick someone who you can justify hurting that won’t ruin your image (like Corinne). Also, pick someone you can have a “good” breakup with, using the distance as a factor it’ll still be “awww! Poor Nick.” If he picked someone like Kristina, Danielle M., or Raven, chances are he might think he’d be vilified for hurting the wounded birds (I love them, I don’t mean that to be insulting, I’m just saying they come off as very sweet with emotional back stories).
meeeh
February 28, 2017 at 10:11 AM
I’m also told that the tweet Vanessa sent out the night Rachel was announced as the “Bachelorette” congratulating her was another example of how Vanessa operated. You might be right but seems to me you get your informations from only ONE ise. I am no fan of Vanessa nor Rachel especially. I find she comes off fake. But remember, there is always 3 sides to a story, Vanessa’s side, Rachel’s and the truth. Plus the girls this season come off to me as mean girls. They’re like in high school and suck ass to the most popular girl ( in this case Rachel being the new bachelorette ) Worst group of girls.
cjscjs711
February 28, 2017 at 12:12 PM
We must travel in different circles, Steve, I haven’t heard anyone blame Warren Beatty for the mix-up.
Everyone I’ve talked with sees it as a graphic design misstep. This is the second time now that a painful mixup has happened due to poor graphic design that caused problems for people who had to read the announcements.
In the case of the Oscars, they had red envelopes with gold lettering on them, in rather small font. They’re standing in semi-darkness in the wings, a lot of times the person reading is older with the typical difficulties seeing text clearly. Large, black, serif font, no italics, on a white background – even on a label, if they insist a white envelope isn’t as good a visual – would probably completely solve the problem in the future.
RaRa
February 28, 2017 at 12:49 PM
Doesn’t Melissa Rycroft count as a female appearing on DWTS?
kmannone723
February 28, 2017 at 1:01 PM
I think nick and Vanessa will have a difficult road ahead but if they stay the course they may survive especially if he is not on dwts too long but the longer he is on dwts the more money he earns to pay for either a new home for him and Vanessa or pay for their wedding because Ben and Lauren are first in line for a televised wedding and possibly Evan and Carly next both rumored to happen either this year or next; kaitlyn and Shawn are low on the totem pole for a televised wedding so nick and Vanessa may be above them if Ben and Lauren don’t get another chance for a televised wedding before Evan and Carly.
hales
February 28, 2017 at 1:42 PM
@RaRa, I guess you could count Melissa, but she was only on the show because someone got hurt. She also wasn’t a Bachelorette. I always thought that was ABC throwing her a bone for the humiliating After the Final Rose.
rob22
February 28, 2017 at 2:18 PM
kmannone: wedding? Nick and Vanessa aren’t getting married. If they make it all the way to the end of DWTS that would be a minor miracle. Any way you look at it, Vanessa will be back in Montreal before the end of the summer. Ben & Lauren are on their last leg according to all the evidence out there right now. Evan & Carly aren’t getting a televised wedding and it is really doubtful that Shawn & Kaitlyn will either, if they make it to the alter at all. They don’t have the backing of he show.
Nope. No televised weddings anytime soon.
allaboutme
February 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM
Anyone know why last night’s episode isn’t available on Hulu?
tamara
February 28, 2017 at 7:50 PM
It is on hulu. Watching right now, allaboutme.
tricia28
February 28, 2017 at 10:04 PM
Hulu was down tonight per their twitter account. I could stream the show on my computer but not on any of my smart tvs. Kept getting error message.
atleast4characters
February 28, 2017 at 11:36 PM
Why all the analysis about Corinne? I gleamed what I needed to know from her comment in the first episode that “guys don’t listen to me”.
It seems Steve failed to connect the dots and identify this season’s theme. All tied together, we had Liz’s past with Nick, Corinne’s behavior, Raven’s admission and everything leading up to her fantasy suite date, Andi’s advice, and apparently some further discussion on the WTA.
rob22
March 1, 2017 at 5:57 AM
I do think Corinne is key in analyzing this show. No guy serious about “happily ever after” would be attracted to Corinne. At least no high quality guy would be. I personally found her repulsive, which made her completely unattractive to me. I did allow me to feel some sadness for her & the obviously horrible parenting that got her to this point. But she’s a hot mess that nobody is looking for.
Although Corinne could have been dragged to the F4 by the producers, Nick’s highly positive reaction to her tells us everything we need to know. He’s either not serious about marriage, not a quality guy (so unsuitable as a marriage partner), or both. I’ll let you decide which.
allaboutme
March 1, 2017 at 6:41 AM
I feel like Corinne is a product of growing up idolizing Paris Hilton.
debchris1
March 6, 2017 at 6:22 AM
Your site would be so much better if you weren’t continually tooting your own horn.
yoyotono
April 24, 2017 at 11:03 PM
On the Corinne and Taylor feud, it was a misunderstanding I believe. Each side could have said and done things a little bit differently. First off, what Taylor should have used different words other than “emotional intelligence”. What I think Taylor meant to say was words along the lines of how Corinne’s actions on dates just weren’t respectful to the other girls. If that’s not what she meant, she should have specifically stated an example and not used jargon. Corinne obviously took meaning and hurt from the word “intelligence”.
For example, in medical field, you never ask a patient what their “diet” consists of. To a medical person, diet just means what you are consuming (whether it be pizza or vegetables). To a patient, a diet implies they are watching what they are eating or that you are calling them fat. Same deal with saying “emotionally intelligent” versus using a more tactful verbiage. Also, why did she assume that Corinne “needed help”? Corinne was just an immature girl who liked attention. Corinne did say a lot of rude/bullying things about Taylor after that fact, instead of trying to understand a different viewpoint and understand Taylor probably didn’t mean ill will and didn’t realize how what she said came off as condescending.