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The Bachelor 21 - Nick

The “Bachelor” Nick Overnight Dates Recap, Nick on DWTS, Your “Women Tell All” Spoilers, & What Happened in Bimini with Rachel and Vanessa?

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-Isn’t having a one hour show like the greatest thing ever? It’s weird because when you know it’s a 2 hour show, it seems to drag on and on and on. But last night’s hour went so quick, it was over before it started. They’ll never go back to one hour shows on the regular, but damn for one night that sure was refreshing. So starting with the Andi appearance, again, there really was no point for her coming on. If it was Nick’s best female friend there to give him advice? Sure. Go with it. But Andi and Nick aren’t friends, they don’t talk, and Nick doesn’t like her despite the phony BS he gave her last night. That was all for show. But I guess when you sign on the dotted line, and they tell you, “This is what we’re going to film,” you do what they say. Nick’s done that plenty of times this season.

-I’m glad that Andi gave Nick her go-ahead to sleep with as many women as he wants and not worry about anything else. Sound solid advice, since that’s exactly what she did with Nick and Josh. I tend to agree with Andi with the statement as a whole, but when you break it down to the particular person she’s talking to, it’s not that easy. Because Nick shamed Andi on national television for sleeping with him, he can’t just turn around and do the exact same thing to someone without looking like the world’s biggest hypocrite. Maybe Nick and/or Raven will address this at the ATFR. I hope they do. Only because the show made such a big deal of the Raven stuff last night (which you’ll see more of at the beginning of next week’s episode) that sex happened, you’d think Nick wouldn’t want the insinuation out there that they did if they actually didn’t. Very few average fans after watching last night thinks they didn’t. And after next week, they’ll further be convinced they did have sex. Nick has no control over anything when he’s filming this show, but on the ATFR he does because it’s live. They can’t edit him. So if they didn’t have sex on the overnight date, I challenge Nick to make it known on the ATFR. And if he doesn’t, I would hope at least Raven would. I guess we’ll see in two weeks.

-Nick sure seemed heartbroken sending Corinne home, didn’t he? Man, he was so broken up about it I thought he was going to have a mental breakdown. Or not. I didn’t know what was harder for him: pretending to care or holding back laughter. I’ve seen people more bothered by being served the wrong plate at dinner than Nick was at having to send Corinne home. Corinne may have been a blubbering mess when he let her go, but when you read this interview she did at the WTA taping this past weekend, you realize how little she cares and how much she wants to be famous. Not that that should surprise anyone, but here is basically openly admitting it. Of COURSE she wants a show about her family. One of the most transparent, vapid, and spoiled contestants this show has ever seen. She’s Erica Rose 2.0.

-I loved Corinne’s exit in the limo and everything she said, because it essentially backed up every thought most people had about her. “I’m done trying to say things that men think are appropriate…I’m done trying to show my man how much I love them…I’ll never kiss up to a man ever again in my life.” Exactly Corinne. Probably why you have zero clue what it’s like to be in a relationship. Let me let you in on a little secret. Men don’t want you to tell them what you think they want to hear. Men don’t want a woman who kisses their ass. Her exit speech summed up Corinne about as perfectly as one could. She had no idea how to act in a real relationship. She puts on a false persona in hopes that a guy likes her, then when they don’t and treat her like crap, she wonders why. Do I think that’ll get any better when she gets to Paradise or as she gets more attention online? No. The girl is lost unfortunately. Maybe in 10 years she’ll see her ways, but she’s gotten big by the Hollywood bug, will be consumed with everything that comes along with it (hanging at trendy places, meeting D list celebs, having celebs talk/tweet about her) and that doesn’t go away anytime soon. Which makes you kinda wonder maybe Nick would’ve been perfect for her since he’s into the exact same stuff.

-Raven’s date overall was a sh** show, there’s no two ways about it. After seeing her knock down shots at the bar, always have a drink in her hand at the bar and at dinner with Nick, I guess we can kinda see now why she said as much as she did. Just watching her with Nick, you could see her eyes a tad glazed over, she was on practically slurring her speech, but one thing I couldn’t take my eyes off of? How spliced up her conversation was with Nick. One shot we’d see her and her sweater was off her left shoulder. They’d pan to Nick, come back to Raven, and her sweater was hanging off her right shoulder. They’d pan away again to Nick, come back to Raven, and the sweater was off both shoulders. It was like this the whole conversation, so I’m not sure we know which order she actually said what. But what she said was, ummmmm, wow.

-I’m not sure what prompted her to let everyone in America in on her little secret (well fine, 7 million + people), but I’m not sure I would’ve shared that if I was her. Ultimately it falls on her, but as we know how this show works, she was certainly coerced with alcohol/producer questioning for them to get her to say that on camera. There’s no way someone would just offer something like that up you wouldn’t think, especially someone who doesn’t have much of a sexual past like Raven. I’m sure her ex is having a field day at home. First he gets exposed by her on national TV for cheating on her then getting beat with her stiletto (which he tried to not have shown in certain parts of Arkansas clearly), and then last night we find out the dude can’t get his girl to reach the Big O. Man, he might want to enter the Witness Protection Program or something. Maybe move states, change names, and never let any future woman know that he was Raven’s ex. Just a little advice for ya’ buddy.

-If I were Raven would I have said that on national television? No. That was her mistake. Just like if I were Andi I would never write a book about my ex. You do that, you live with the consequences. It certainly was funny watching it in the moment and seeing how uncomfortable and cringe worthy her talk with Nick was. I don’t know if we’ve ever seen a more uncomfortable conversation between two people before an overnight date. Usually it’s just like, “Yeah, we know what’s about to happen. I can’t wait. Lets do this.” Raven’s was whatever the complete opposite of that is. I don’t think Nick knew what to say. Hell, I don’t even think Raven knew what to say or how to say it, hence the constant reaching for a wine glass in the middle of her speech. So we see the evidence of how schmammered she was that night. Unfortunately, I don’t think most people will go easy on her for that talk and now she’s gotta deal with the consequences. As I mentioned, if Nick or her don’t address what happened that night at the ATFR, Raven will basically be asked this for the rest of her life from interviewers, fans, boyfriends, etc. Lets hope she’s prepared for that.

As I mentioned yesterday, next week’s first hour of the show will begin with the Raven/Nick aftermath, where we see her all giddy, skipping around Finland to happy music making snow angels, high fiving strangers, and petting dogs. Then we get to Rachel and Vanessa’s 1-on-1 date which I’ll have more on later in the week. By the end, for the first time all season, we’ll be caught up on rose ceremonies, so when the finale airs March 13th, we won’t have to begin with some leftovers from the previous episode. It’ll be just Raven vs Vanessa in the easiest finale matchup this show has ever seen. Then after the first hour next week will be the 2 hour WTA. Good times I tell ya’. Get ready for more Corinne in your life because it’s coming.

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  1. kimmyfromdablock

    February 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM

    First to comment….aka most bored at work.

    Oscars….I don’t think anyone has ever blamed Warren Beatty. I think it’s been a pretty clear story from the beginning that accounting dude caught being star struck, handed Warren the duplicate envelope from the Best Actress category. Over it. Moving on….

    DWTS…if you think a sexy man like Maks is going to be threatened by a twit like Nick, certainly no one is going to buy that. Maks is insanely hot and Nick is not. The end. Even though I’m sure Nick can dance, he is not well known or liked, so let’s hope he goes away quickly.

    Taylor….proving once again that mental health professionals are often the most mental of all.

    Who is Lacey?

    I’m definitely Team Rachel in the Vanessa/Rachel feud. Rachel has proven herself to seem mature and reasonable thus far, so I’m going to go with that. Vanessa seems like a princess and acts like one too…so there’s that.

    Corinne is a fine example of poor parenting. Her emotional growth is stunted and I blame her parents.

  2. sarahe

    February 28, 2017 at 9:51 AM

    I actually know of Lacey personally because she went to my college and was in my sorority. I graduated the year before she joined, but we know a lot of the same people because of the sorority connection. From what I have heard, she has been seriously promoting herself on Instagram and Twitter, befriending other Bachelor people like Leah Block, Olivia Caridi, and Izzy Goodkind and faking her friendship with Corinne because she really wants to go on Paradise and become more famous from this show. That’s probably why she was so vocal/loud at WTA and going out of her way to make her presence known to viewers. She became Corinne’s BFF on the show in order to have that chance to be on Paradise. She’s incredibly fake and obsessed with Bachelor fame, so expect to see her on Paradise if she’s asked to be on it. She’s been posting pics left and right with guys and girls from the franchise.

  3. hales

    February 28, 2017 at 9:58 AM

    I love/hate the idea of Nick being on DWTS. Obviously, I’m so over him being on my TV screen but I think this could be a blow to his ego. This will be the first time he will truly be able to tell if people like him. As Reality Steve has said, it never matters who the Bachelor is, people are going to watch the show. On DWTS people will actually have to like him enough to vote and I’m just not sure I see that happening. I will expect him to finish middle to bottom third. Chris made it surprisingly far but I think people liked him more and I think Witney has more of a fan base than Peta does. It will be interesting. And I secretly (not so secretly?) hope he gets eliminated early on to bring him down a notch.

  4. rob22

    February 28, 2017 at 10:08 AM

    It’s not a revelation to say that Nick and Vanessa won’t last. But could it be any more obvious this time? Nick as much as said, to her face and to her family, that he wasn’t planning on moving to Canada. Quite obviously he’s in LA already and landed the DWTS gig, so he’s right on track for what he wanted. I can’t quite figure out Vanessa, though. I imagine she’ll hitch up to the gravy train for a bit, and she does seem emotionally invested (at least that’s how it’s been edited).

    But she seems very, very tight with her family. So I don’t see anyway that she doesn’t end up back in Montreal. I’ve seen this scenario play out in real life plenty of times where someone moves for a boyfriend/girlfriend and is tight with the family. Sure enough, they’re back inside of 6 months saying “well, that just wasn’t working”. It’s also tough to end up in a strange town with no friends and no job. You essentially have to start all over again re-constructing your life. Either that, or in Vanessa’s case, she’ll probably just be following Nick around like a puppy dog as he does his thing. People do pull it off, and it can work, but I don’t see Vanessa being able to pull it off. She’ll be homesick within a month. Probably sooner. And that’s not even factoring in the level of Nick’s REAL interest in her, which probably is not that high.

    I thought Ben & Lauren had a decent shot at it. They moved in together and did truly seem interested in making it work. So, if they’re not making it, then certainly Vanessa and Nick are doomed. I don’t even see how the crazies can feel good about them making it.

  5. allaboutme

    February 28, 2017 at 10:08 AM

    I wonder if this is why Nick chose Vanessa? To feel less guilty about dumping them? Pick someone who you can justify hurting that won’t ruin your image (like Corinne). Also, pick someone you can have a “good” breakup with, using the distance as a factor it’ll still be “awww! Poor Nick.” If he picked someone like Kristina, Danielle M., or Raven, chances are he might think he’d be vilified for hurting the wounded birds (I love them, I don’t mean that to be insulting, I’m just saying they come off as very sweet with emotional back stories).

  6. meeeh

    February 28, 2017 at 10:11 AM

    I’m also told that the tweet Vanessa sent out the night Rachel was announced as the “Bachelorette” congratulating her was another example of how Vanessa operated. You might be right but seems to me you get your informations from only ONE ise. I am no fan of Vanessa nor Rachel especially. I find she comes off fake. But remember, there is always 3 sides to a story, Vanessa’s side, Rachel’s and the truth. Plus the girls this season come off to me as mean girls. They’re like in high school and suck ass to the most popular girl ( in this case Rachel being the new bachelorette ) Worst group of girls.

  7. cjscjs711

    February 28, 2017 at 12:12 PM

    We must travel in different circles, Steve, I haven’t heard anyone blame Warren Beatty for the mix-up.

    Everyone I’ve talked with sees it as a graphic design misstep. This is the second time now that a painful mixup has happened due to poor graphic design that caused problems for people who had to read the announcements.

    In the case of the Oscars, they had red envelopes with gold lettering on them, in rather small font. They’re standing in semi-darkness in the wings, a lot of times the person reading is older with the typical difficulties seeing text clearly. Large, black, serif font, no italics, on a white background – even on a label, if they insist a white envelope isn’t as good a visual – would probably completely solve the problem in the future.

  8. RaRa

    February 28, 2017 at 12:49 PM

    Doesn’t Melissa Rycroft count as a female appearing on DWTS?

  9. kmannone723

    February 28, 2017 at 1:01 PM

    I think nick and Vanessa will have a difficult road ahead but if they stay the course they may survive especially if he is not on dwts too long but the longer he is on dwts the more money he earns to pay for either a new home for him and Vanessa or pay for their wedding because Ben and Lauren are first in line for a televised wedding and possibly Evan and Carly next both rumored to happen either this year or next; kaitlyn and Shawn are low on the totem pole for a televised wedding so nick and Vanessa may be above them if Ben and Lauren don’t get another chance for a televised wedding before Evan and Carly.

  10. hales

    February 28, 2017 at 1:42 PM

    @RaRa, I guess you could count Melissa, but she was only on the show because someone got hurt. She also wasn’t a Bachelorette. I always thought that was ABC throwing her a bone for the humiliating After the Final Rose.

  11. rob22

    February 28, 2017 at 2:18 PM

    kmannone: wedding? Nick and Vanessa aren’t getting married. If they make it all the way to the end of DWTS that would be a minor miracle. Any way you look at it, Vanessa will be back in Montreal before the end of the summer. Ben & Lauren are on their last leg according to all the evidence out there right now. Evan & Carly aren’t getting a televised wedding and it is really doubtful that Shawn & Kaitlyn will either, if they make it to the alter at all. They don’t have the backing of he show.

    Nope. No televised weddings anytime soon.

  12. allaboutme

    February 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM

    Anyone know why last night’s episode isn’t available on Hulu?

  13. tamara

    February 28, 2017 at 7:50 PM

    It is on hulu. Watching right now, allaboutme.

  14. tricia28

    February 28, 2017 at 10:04 PM

    Hulu was down tonight per their twitter account. I could stream the show on my computer but not on any of my smart tvs. Kept getting error message.

  15. atleast4characters

    February 28, 2017 at 11:36 PM

    Why all the analysis about Corinne? I gleamed what I needed to know from her comment in the first episode that “guys don’t listen to me”.
    It seems Steve failed to connect the dots and identify this season’s theme. All tied together, we had Liz’s past with Nick, Corinne’s behavior, Raven’s admission and everything leading up to her fantasy suite date, Andi’s advice, and apparently some further discussion on the WTA.

  16. rob22

    March 1, 2017 at 5:57 AM

    I do think Corinne is key in analyzing this show. No guy serious about “happily ever after” would be attracted to Corinne. At least no high quality guy would be. I personally found her repulsive, which made her completely unattractive to me. I did allow me to feel some sadness for her & the obviously horrible parenting that got her to this point. But she’s a hot mess that nobody is looking for.

    Although Corinne could have been dragged to the F4 by the producers, Nick’s highly positive reaction to her tells us everything we need to know. He’s either not serious about marriage, not a quality guy (so unsuitable as a marriage partner), or both. I’ll let you decide which.

  17. allaboutme

    March 1, 2017 at 6:41 AM

    I feel like Corinne is a product of growing up idolizing Paris Hilton.

  18. debchris1

    March 6, 2017 at 6:22 AM

    Your site would be so much better if you weren’t continually tooting your own horn.

  19. yoyotono

    April 24, 2017 at 11:03 PM

    On the Corinne and Taylor feud, it was a misunderstanding I believe. Each side could have said and done things a little bit differently. First off, what Taylor should have used different words other than “emotional intelligence”. What I think Taylor meant to say was words along the lines of how Corinne’s actions on dates just weren’t respectful to the other girls. If that’s not what she meant, she should have specifically stated an example and not used jargon. Corinne obviously took meaning and hurt from the word “intelligence”.

    For example, in medical field, you never ask a patient what their “diet” consists of. To a medical person, diet just means what you are consuming (whether it be pizza or vegetables). To a patient, a diet implies they are watching what they are eating or that you are calling them fat. Same deal with saying “emotionally intelligent” versus using a more tactful verbiage. Also, why did she assume that Corinne “needed help”? Corinne was just an immature girl who liked attention. Corinne did say a lot of rude/bullying things about Taylor after that fact, instead of trying to understand a different viewpoint and understand Taylor probably didn’t mean ill will and didn’t realize how what she said came off as condescending.

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