Reality Steve

The Bachelor 21 - Nick

The “Bachelor” Nick Overnight Dates Recap, Nick on DWTS, Your “Women Tell All” Spoilers, & What Happened in Bimini with Rachel and Vanessa?

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Before we get to all your “Bachelor” stuff today, can I just throw my two cents in on the Oscars fiasco? I watched it, I rewound it, I watched it again, and I’ve heard all the opinions people have on it and one thing I keep scratching my head about is this: Why is Warren Beatty getting blamed? What’d he do? If anything, he was the first one to recognize something was off as you see after he pulls the card out of the envelope realizes he’s looking at something that isn’t right (Emma Stone – Best Actress on the card), then he looks back into the envelope to see if there’s another one in there. I mean if you want to get on Warren for something, maybe you could say if he knew something wasn’t right, he should’ve said something into the microphone, but this is live TV. It’s never really happened in the history of the show (especially for the biggest award of the night), so why would he immediately think to say something? I can understand him being flustered, but I don’t think the guy did anything wrong, yet people seem to be blaming him. Hell, he never even announced “La La Land” as Best Picture. That was Faye Dunaway. Why is he taking the heat? The whole thing is just bizarre to me. We don’t know what happened backstage if Warren was handed an envelope and just walked out, or picked up the wrong one on his own. If he picked up the wrong one on his own, then it’s his fault. But he still didn’t read it out loud. He recognized immediately something was wrong. If PricewaterhouseCoopers person was back there, personally handed Warren what they believed to the best “Best Movie” envelope but it wasn’t and sent him on his way, it’s on them. Crazy night, crazy ending, but Warren Beatty did nothing wrong.

This week’s recap is broken down rather easily since I didn’t spend too much time recapping a one hour show. Page 1 has your Nick DWTS info along with other notes. Page 2 is your “Women Tell All” spoilers. Page 3 is what happened in Bimini between Rachel and Vanessa. And page 4 are my thoughts on last night’s episode.

As you know since it was all over the news yesterday, Nick will be a contestant on next season of “Dancing with the Stars”…just don’t expect him to be a part of the cast reveal tomorrow morning on GMA. My guess is they’ll hold off on Nick until after the ATFR like they did with Chris Soules. Then again, Mike Fleiss spoiled it on Twitter last night that Nick was doing the show, so maybe they will throw him on there tomorrow morning. I still doubt it. Nick will be dancing with Peta, so get ready for all the tabloid talk this season of Nick coming in between Maks and Peta, and all the stories that are so predictable from that show. The tabloids are going to have a field day running with the “Two relationships shattered!” storylines, referring to Maks/Peta & Nick/Vanessa. It’s coming. Don’t say you weren’t warned and don’t be surprised when it happens.

Speaking of Fleiss, I had a feeling Kaitlyn would have something to say about Nick making DWTS, since it’s long been known that Kaitlyn was supposed to be on until the last minute when Fleiss stepped in and said no. Here’s what she tweeted:

Why Fleiss only lets his “Bachelor” leads do the show and not any of the female leads is the million dollar question. The easy answer that he gives (and the one Kaitlyn mentioned in her tweet), we know is complete BS since they’ve become very lenient on people going on to post show success in other areas lately. So saying that he doesn’t want his contestants using their show for fame is laughable since, well, ALL of them do. The more hidden answer is that Fleiss is incredibly sexist. Trista doing DWTS doesn’t count because it was the first season of DWTS, the “Bachelor/ette” was still in its infancy, and it was good for the franchise to get publicity in other areas. But yet, in recent seasons ever since Chris, Fleiss has been known behind the scenes to shy away from letting his contestants do it because he didn’t want it overshadowing his show. Radar Online reported last week that Nick wasn’t gonna be on and wasn’t on their radar as a contestant, but that’s because Fleiss hadn’t given the go ahead yet. For whatever reason, he decided to let Nick do it. With 4 former male leads now getting the gig (Jake, Sean, Chris, and Nick), Fleiss needs to let loose the reigns and let a female lead do it. It’s embarrassing and almost transparent at this point he won’t let a female do it. You don’t think people would’ve wanted to see Kaitlyn and/or JoJo on it? It makes zero sense to only let your “guys” do it and lends a ton of credibility to the sexist claims against him.

Our Nell Kalter has your Vanderpump Rules recap now up for your reading pleasure. Be sure to check in on all the happenings at SUR and whatever the hell else they do on that show. Also, wanted to get this out there early so you aren’t freaked out once the show begins, but Nell will not be covering RHOC next season. Just a heads up.

Ratings are in from last night and the show drew 7.7 million viewers and a 2.4 rating. Last season, Ben’s overnight dates (although one episode and not split into two) drew 8.1 million viewers and a 2.5 rating. With next week’s episode being 3 hours (the first hour being Rachel and Vanessa’s overnights plus the rose ceremony, and last 2 hours being WTA), I expect the rating to rise next week.

Your poll question this week is about Nick and DWTS. How do you think he’ll do? My prediction? He’s finishing top third in that group. He won’t beat Heather Morris or Simone Biles, so 3rd is the best he can hope for. But I can see him in the 4th/5th place range. He’ll beat Mr. T., Charo, the bull rider, Chris Kattan, and the retired baseball player that’s going to be on (probably, since we don’t know who it is yet). His competition of whether he’ll finish between 6th and 3rd is if he’s better than Nancy Kerrigan, Erika Jayne, and the girl from 5th Harmony.

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  1. kimmyfromdablock

    February 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM

    First to comment….aka most bored at work.

    Oscars….I don’t think anyone has ever blamed Warren Beatty. I think it’s been a pretty clear story from the beginning that accounting dude caught being star struck, handed Warren the duplicate envelope from the Best Actress category. Over it. Moving on….

    DWTS…if you think a sexy man like Maks is going to be threatened by a twit like Nick, certainly no one is going to buy that. Maks is insanely hot and Nick is not. The end. Even though I’m sure Nick can dance, he is not well known or liked, so let’s hope he goes away quickly.

    Taylor….proving once again that mental health professionals are often the most mental of all.

    Who is Lacey?

    I’m definitely Team Rachel in the Vanessa/Rachel feud. Rachel has proven herself to seem mature and reasonable thus far, so I’m going to go with that. Vanessa seems like a princess and acts like one too…so there’s that.

    Corinne is a fine example of poor parenting. Her emotional growth is stunted and I blame her parents.

  2. sarahe

    February 28, 2017 at 9:51 AM

    I actually know of Lacey personally because she went to my college and was in my sorority. I graduated the year before she joined, but we know a lot of the same people because of the sorority connection. From what I have heard, she has been seriously promoting herself on Instagram and Twitter, befriending other Bachelor people like Leah Block, Olivia Caridi, and Izzy Goodkind and faking her friendship with Corinne because she really wants to go on Paradise and become more famous from this show. That’s probably why she was so vocal/loud at WTA and going out of her way to make her presence known to viewers. She became Corinne’s BFF on the show in order to have that chance to be on Paradise. She’s incredibly fake and obsessed with Bachelor fame, so expect to see her on Paradise if she’s asked to be on it. She’s been posting pics left and right with guys and girls from the franchise.

  3. hales

    February 28, 2017 at 9:58 AM

    I love/hate the idea of Nick being on DWTS. Obviously, I’m so over him being on my TV screen but I think this could be a blow to his ego. This will be the first time he will truly be able to tell if people like him. As Reality Steve has said, it never matters who the Bachelor is, people are going to watch the show. On DWTS people will actually have to like him enough to vote and I’m just not sure I see that happening. I will expect him to finish middle to bottom third. Chris made it surprisingly far but I think people liked him more and I think Witney has more of a fan base than Peta does. It will be interesting. And I secretly (not so secretly?) hope he gets eliminated early on to bring him down a notch.

  4. rob22

    February 28, 2017 at 10:08 AM

    It’s not a revelation to say that Nick and Vanessa won’t last. But could it be any more obvious this time? Nick as much as said, to her face and to her family, that he wasn’t planning on moving to Canada. Quite obviously he’s in LA already and landed the DWTS gig, so he’s right on track for what he wanted. I can’t quite figure out Vanessa, though. I imagine she’ll hitch up to the gravy train for a bit, and she does seem emotionally invested (at least that’s how it’s been edited).

    But she seems very, very tight with her family. So I don’t see anyway that she doesn’t end up back in Montreal. I’ve seen this scenario play out in real life plenty of times where someone moves for a boyfriend/girlfriend and is tight with the family. Sure enough, they’re back inside of 6 months saying “well, that just wasn’t working”. It’s also tough to end up in a strange town with no friends and no job. You essentially have to start all over again re-constructing your life. Either that, or in Vanessa’s case, she’ll probably just be following Nick around like a puppy dog as he does his thing. People do pull it off, and it can work, but I don’t see Vanessa being able to pull it off. She’ll be homesick within a month. Probably sooner. And that’s not even factoring in the level of Nick’s REAL interest in her, which probably is not that high.

    I thought Ben & Lauren had a decent shot at it. They moved in together and did truly seem interested in making it work. So, if they’re not making it, then certainly Vanessa and Nick are doomed. I don’t even see how the crazies can feel good about them making it.

  5. allaboutme

    February 28, 2017 at 10:08 AM

    I wonder if this is why Nick chose Vanessa? To feel less guilty about dumping them? Pick someone who you can justify hurting that won’t ruin your image (like Corinne). Also, pick someone you can have a “good” breakup with, using the distance as a factor it’ll still be “awww! Poor Nick.” If he picked someone like Kristina, Danielle M., or Raven, chances are he might think he’d be vilified for hurting the wounded birds (I love them, I don’t mean that to be insulting, I’m just saying they come off as very sweet with emotional back stories).

  6. meeeh

    February 28, 2017 at 10:11 AM

    I’m also told that the tweet Vanessa sent out the night Rachel was announced as the “Bachelorette” congratulating her was another example of how Vanessa operated. You might be right but seems to me you get your informations from only ONE ise. I am no fan of Vanessa nor Rachel especially. I find she comes off fake. But remember, there is always 3 sides to a story, Vanessa’s side, Rachel’s and the truth. Plus the girls this season come off to me as mean girls. They’re like in high school and suck ass to the most popular girl ( in this case Rachel being the new bachelorette ) Worst group of girls.

  7. cjscjs711

    February 28, 2017 at 12:12 PM

    We must travel in different circles, Steve, I haven’t heard anyone blame Warren Beatty for the mix-up.

    Everyone I’ve talked with sees it as a graphic design misstep. This is the second time now that a painful mixup has happened due to poor graphic design that caused problems for people who had to read the announcements.

    In the case of the Oscars, they had red envelopes with gold lettering on them, in rather small font. They’re standing in semi-darkness in the wings, a lot of times the person reading is older with the typical difficulties seeing text clearly. Large, black, serif font, no italics, on a white background – even on a label, if they insist a white envelope isn’t as good a visual – would probably completely solve the problem in the future.

  8. RaRa

    February 28, 2017 at 12:49 PM

    Doesn’t Melissa Rycroft count as a female appearing on DWTS?

  9. kmannone723

    February 28, 2017 at 1:01 PM

    I think nick and Vanessa will have a difficult road ahead but if they stay the course they may survive especially if he is not on dwts too long but the longer he is on dwts the more money he earns to pay for either a new home for him and Vanessa or pay for their wedding because Ben and Lauren are first in line for a televised wedding and possibly Evan and Carly next both rumored to happen either this year or next; kaitlyn and Shawn are low on the totem pole for a televised wedding so nick and Vanessa may be above them if Ben and Lauren don’t get another chance for a televised wedding before Evan and Carly.

  10. hales

    February 28, 2017 at 1:42 PM

    @RaRa, I guess you could count Melissa, but she was only on the show because someone got hurt. She also wasn’t a Bachelorette. I always thought that was ABC throwing her a bone for the humiliating After the Final Rose.

  11. rob22

    February 28, 2017 at 2:18 PM

    kmannone: wedding? Nick and Vanessa aren’t getting married. If they make it all the way to the end of DWTS that would be a minor miracle. Any way you look at it, Vanessa will be back in Montreal before the end of the summer. Ben & Lauren are on their last leg according to all the evidence out there right now. Evan & Carly aren’t getting a televised wedding and it is really doubtful that Shawn & Kaitlyn will either, if they make it to the alter at all. They don’t have the backing of he show.

    Nope. No televised weddings anytime soon.

  12. allaboutme

    February 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM

    Anyone know why last night’s episode isn’t available on Hulu?

  13. tamara

    February 28, 2017 at 7:50 PM

    It is on hulu. Watching right now, allaboutme.

  14. tricia28

    February 28, 2017 at 10:04 PM

    Hulu was down tonight per their twitter account. I could stream the show on my computer but not on any of my smart tvs. Kept getting error message.

  15. atleast4characters

    February 28, 2017 at 11:36 PM

    Why all the analysis about Corinne? I gleamed what I needed to know from her comment in the first episode that “guys don’t listen to me”.
    It seems Steve failed to connect the dots and identify this season’s theme. All tied together, we had Liz’s past with Nick, Corinne’s behavior, Raven’s admission and everything leading up to her fantasy suite date, Andi’s advice, and apparently some further discussion on the WTA.

  16. rob22

    March 1, 2017 at 5:57 AM

    I do think Corinne is key in analyzing this show. No guy serious about “happily ever after” would be attracted to Corinne. At least no high quality guy would be. I personally found her repulsive, which made her completely unattractive to me. I did allow me to feel some sadness for her & the obviously horrible parenting that got her to this point. But she’s a hot mess that nobody is looking for.

    Although Corinne could have been dragged to the F4 by the producers, Nick’s highly positive reaction to her tells us everything we need to know. He’s either not serious about marriage, not a quality guy (so unsuitable as a marriage partner), or both. I’ll let you decide which.

  17. allaboutme

    March 1, 2017 at 6:41 AM

    I feel like Corinne is a product of growing up idolizing Paris Hilton.

  18. debchris1

    March 6, 2017 at 6:22 AM

    Your site would be so much better if you weren’t continually tooting your own horn.

  19. yoyotono

    April 24, 2017 at 11:03 PM

    On the Corinne and Taylor feud, it was a misunderstanding I believe. Each side could have said and done things a little bit differently. First off, what Taylor should have used different words other than “emotional intelligence”. What I think Taylor meant to say was words along the lines of how Corinne’s actions on dates just weren’t respectful to the other girls. If that’s not what she meant, she should have specifically stated an example and not used jargon. Corinne obviously took meaning and hurt from the word “intelligence”.

    For example, in medical field, you never ask a patient what their “diet” consists of. To a medical person, diet just means what you are consuming (whether it be pizza or vegetables). To a patient, a diet implies they are watching what they are eating or that you are calling them fat. Same deal with saying “emotionally intelligent” versus using a more tactful verbiage. Also, why did she assume that Corinne “needed help”? Corinne was just an immature girl who liked attention. Corinne did say a lot of rude/bullying things about Taylor after that fact, instead of trying to understand a different viewpoint and understand Taylor probably didn’t mean ill will and didn’t realize how what she said came off as condescending.

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