Hi Reality Steve,
I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your podcast with Vienna. Jake’s season was the very first season I watched of The Bachelor Franchise. I thought he had a great cast and it’s what hooked me. I will admit I really didn’t care for Vienna at ALL on his season and bought into the editing. Over years of watching (and reading your site) my view of the show has changed dramatically. I have watched it from an entirely different perspective but still enjoy it.
Vienna has always been someone I hoped to hear on your podcast because during her time on Bachelor and Bachelor Pad she was a really polarizing figure. I listened to her on Olivia’s podcast and yours. I found her to be very candid and extremely fair to both the show and Jake, especially considering all she put up with from them. I am happy to hear she is a successful entrepreneur and was able to move past the show.
Moving on from Bachelor world, I really can relate to her story about her miscarriage. I went through something similar about 3 months after she did.
My husband and I have two beautiful children. We decided to expand our family by one more. We struggled to conceive with both our children and it was no different with attempting to conceive a third child. Due to a 10 year age gap between my husband and I, he decided in the summer of 2017 that he wanted to look at getting a vasectomy. I agreed and understood his reasons and it was booked for November of 2017. We decided to roll the dice until his appointment. Wouldn’t you know it…. we conceived that October. We knew three children would be our limit and decided to go ahead with him having the procedure done. Just shy of three weeks after his procedure I lost our baby at 9 weeks. We were both devastated. I couldn’t function after that. I was a wreck and had to take time off work. My husband had to take time off work because he didn’t want me to alone during the day.
I know what Vienna means when she talks about miscarriage being a taboo subject. No one talks about it. There is so much stigma surrounding it and I don’t know why. Too many women grieve in silence. She’s also right when she says it changes you. It has forever changed me. I didn’t know just how badly I wanted another child until I lost the baby. And knowing it’s no longer a possibility for us is equally heart wrenching. Having my two beautiful children and a supportive husband has helped me grieve and slowly begin to heal. I will never be the same and there will always be a void but I know I am lucky and count my blessings each day that I have the family I do.
I guess I am writing you this hoping you will pass it along to Vienna. She’s not alone. I stand with her in her grief. I understand what she has gone through and continues to struggle with. I too have my sad days and I cry and wonder what if. I know how much it hurts. You may think you know and understand this kind of loss but you truly do not unless you have gone through it. I know it’s okay to talk about it and I, like her am opening up about my experience. I am not ashamed of it. I think we should talk about it and seek comfort in each other. I hope one day she is able to realize her dream of becoming a mother. From the sounds of it she will make a great one.
Thank you for all you do with your podcasts. You have really given people a voice and you are an excellent interviewer. You let people tell their stories and are very respectful to your guests. It’s refreshing.
Comment: Really sorry you had to go through that. I can’t begin to imagine what that must’ve been like. Thanks for taking the time to write in.
First of all – thank you as always for the spoilers and updates as always. This season has been a BIG one with more news and information than any other season so far. Excellent job.
A few things I wanted to share:
– While I am certainly not a Luke P fan, I did feel that the ‘Men Tell All” special went out of the way to make him look really terrible and the other men did as well.
We all know that Luke did not handle himself the best at all on this season. He revealed that he has a lot of maturing to do in life and in his journey with his faith, the guys on the stage did not show their best light either.
I think Mike did himself a big disservice with his comment to Luke. In my opinion, I think it hurt his chances to becoming the next bachelor, if there were ever a real shot for him to become so.
I think the guys should have let Luke continue to bury himself with his own actions and comments – they did not need to pile it on.
Come on – Chris Harrison, asked him if he wanted a “trophy wife” – yes or no and he can’t answer the question?
I think Luke is a “Christian Virgin” – meaning he is still learning how to follow the Bible and living in the way of God and living in the real world.
I understand that he and Hannah bonded on this level and that was the draw between them – but Hannah seemed to display a more mature view of her faith, everything is not just black and white. There is room for discussion in your beliefs.
Next Point – Hannah – I was not a fan of Hannah going into this season. I thought she was very young and would just not be a good lead. She proved me wrong. I enjoyed watching her even in her mistakes with Luke. I understood them. She explained that she knew Luke was there for her and that was an immediate draw. When people come on this show to promote themselves or a business or become famous, at least Luke told her and meant it when he said that he was there for her.
She was able to articulate her feelings for the guys and I think we were able to see why she kept Luke so long. She did not need to apologize to America on the MTA. She simply could have explained that she felt Luke was there for her and they also bonded on their common beliefs and morals but once she began to see for himself how Luke choose to show himself to her – she began to see that he was not the one for her and she asked him to leave. Simple. She needed to see that for herself.
Overall, Hannah has been great. Human and real this season.
Production – you have brought this up as well as Olivia ( on her podcast and Sharleen Joynt – I read/listen to them all on this show) – there is no way Luke could show up at the rose ceremony with a ring without Production’s help.
They totally set him up on that – which is kind of sad for Luke. They were hoping for the drama that they got and it was not disappointing. It was “the most dramatic moment in Bachelorette history”. Hannah moving that rose stand and Tyler saying” Or What?” – Bachelor history on that one.
Can’t wait to see the conclusion. Hannah saying goodbye to Windmill Peter (not Pilot Pete anymore). He choosing Jed.
Jed After the Final Rose and Hannah dumping Jed.
Tyler for the next Bachelor? I know you said that you don’t know who it will be yet and they can select anyone and there still is BIP to air so who knows who may come out from there that they may consider.
Back to Colton’s season, I feel that he did not really give Cassie a choice. If she had stuck to her decision to leave after Colton told her that he was going to choose her and that they did not have to be engaged, she would have been the most hated person in the franchise.
A bit different from Luke this season, in that Hannah is the lead and she clearly told Luke that she did not want to be with him – but Hannah did tell Luke to go home already and he ignored her because he felt he knew what was best for her.
Thanks Steve – long time watcher of Bachelor and Bachelorette.
Long time reader of realitysteve and podcast listener.
Comment: Thanks for the email. A lot of good points you made.
A big thank you for the Bachelor in Paradise spoilers, am ready to leave Hannah in the dust and get to the beach! One of your fans wrote in the last batch of e-mails the odd circumstances of Demi and Derek making out in the pool and we know from your spoilers that she is with him two weeks in a row. We also know that Demi had been dating Kristian since early February, which is well documented. So how do Demi and ABC square her hot ‘n heavy make-out sessions with Derek before Kristian gets there and what does it say about Demi’s seriousness in commitment to a five month relationship to her girlfriend? Seems like they’d have to soft-sell her relationship with Kristian to make that work. If I were Kristian I’d think twice about accepting that ring but, of course, she probably knew it was in the script, wink wink.
Another thing, where in trailer park hell does Kristian Haggerty, who touts being an Ordained Christian Minister on her Instagram header, come off going on the raunchiest reality show in prime time network television? I’m no Bible thumper, but those previews in the pre-launch video of her getting her getting french-kissed and dry-humped by Demi in the overnight suite with the full implication that raw sex was just around the corner isn’t a real good look for someone who purports to be an ordained Christian minister. And I’d feel the same if she were with a guy. This loosey-goosey anything goes approach to Christianity is the polar opposite of Luke’s rigid obsession. Was the lure of getting famous on social media riding Demi’s coattails just too strong? Does she just totally lack a sense of self-awareness or am I so behind the times that I’m missing something here?
Finally, have you ever seen so many dudes weeping on a BIP season? Looks like we’re in for a hell of a ride. Thanks again for all you do!
Comment: I have no background on Kristian whatsoever other than she was living with Catherine from Colton’s season, and that’s how Demi met her. But they were definitely a couple before Demi left to go film. It was all planned in advance. So the stuff with Derek I guess was just to throw people off for a couple episodes.
Now that Wells is engaged to Sarah Hyland, Nick Viall and Rachel Bilson are hanging out, and Gigi Hadid started to follow Tyler C. on instagram, do you think MANY more men are going to start competing to be on the show, pretending to look for love but really looking for actresses and models post-show? Are Nick and Rachel hanging out now? I thought she just went on his podcast. Gigi follows Tyler and that means something? I guess I don’t look into that stuff as much as you did.
It was worthwhile enough before, when they got lots of female attention for being on the show and that alone made it worthwhile (the girls seemed to mainly just get lots of instagram promotional work, but the guys literally had to beat groupies off with a stick if they were good-looking and popular on their season). Now that the show is bringing them to the attention of actresses and super models, I have a feeling many, many more men are suddenly going to be vying for a spot and lying their way to the top four on their respective seasons.
I know the men in Hollywood tend to be dogs, but I don’t know that these men on the Bachelorette are any more honest or faithful, so I feel like celebrity females who are turning their attention to Bachelorette contestants are going to be disappointed if they think they are going to find better men there. (remember Jennifer Love Hewitt and Ben Flajnik? He was lucky to catch her eye, yet his head became so big he wanted more). What do you think of this new trend??
Comment: This will always be a thing that guys will go on this show and lie and do what they have to to last as long as they can. Everyone knows the more popular you become from the show, the more attention you get. Nothing new there at all. It’s going to happen for every foreseeable future season. It just is. That’s why a majority of the people go on the show in the first place.
I’ve never emailed you before, but I’ve been a daily follower of your content. I started following the Bachelor/Bachelorette during Emily Maynard’s season, and I ironically discovered your spoilers during Des’ season. Even though that was the one season ending you got wrong, I got hooked to your site.
Anyways, I’ve never emailed before because people usually ask the questions I have, but one question has been bothering me. I know that there are contracts, but why can’t Jed deny or admit to the girlfriend situation before ATFR? I know he’s “still on” the show, but he could address it without giving away show spoilers. I know he’s guilty, so I suppose it’s for that reason. An innocent person could deny it right away with proof.
Comment: I’m answering for Jed here, but I’m guessing his answer will be that he came back from filming and was too scared to say anything because he’s contractually obligated not to talk about the show once you’re back. Sure, people tell their family stuff, but Haley wasn’t family. So I guess he figured it’d be best to avoid her rather than say something. He can’t tell her he’s engaged because that’d be giving away the show. But he could’ve at least said something, and he didn’t. That was his big mistake. And oh yeah, downplaying that relationship to Hannah.
I’m another fan from New Zealand that loves reading your spoilers! First time emailer so hopefully it makes it on your last week of spoilers! I’ve watched Bachelor /Bachelorette on and off since it began and stumbled upon your spoilers during Arie’s season and have been reading since!
A few quick questions:
1. Sorry if you have shared this in the past but curious to know how did you get into spoiling the show? What got you to do it and why do you do it? I think if you google any old interview I’ve done, it’s in there. This is something I’ve covered many times, but since you’re from New Zealand, I’ll cut you some slack. At the top of the page, one of the links says “Press.” Those are all links to interviews I’ve done. It’s definitely in one of those.
2. Do you think ABC follows you or believes you because every time you mention something it seems to be out there not long after for example your friend last season said Hannah B would be a contender for the Bachelorette and you agreed and sure enough she was. They absolutely follow me and read everything I say, along with listen to all of my podcasts.
3. I know you don’t share your Intel but I’m amazed that you have such awesome sources, are they always the same people or different people giving you information? The number of sources I have has probably reached triple digits by now. Hence the reason there’s not a whole hell of a lot the show can do.
4. Lastly, what do you do when Paradise is over and you don’t have much to spoil until the next Bachelor?
Again, thanks so much for the spoilers. It’s such a good read on the ride to work.
Comment: Well, the next “Bachelor” will start filming about a week or 10 days after the last Paradise episode airs. So the cycle begins again. The only two times during the calendar year where there is not Bachelor programming either filming or airing, are the two weeks between “Bachelorette” ending filming and beginning airing (except this season which was about 3 days), and the end of “Bachelor” filming before Thanksgiving through first episode airing first Monday in Jan, which is about 6 weeks. So basically there’s only about 2 months a year total where I’m not either recapping the show or spoiling it in real time.
Do you think Jared has Stockholm Syndrome??
Comment: I have no idea what you’re getting at with this.
Hi Steve, You’ll be glad to know I’m not writing anything about this season! I’m not gonna ask “who’s the next bachelor” or “are Tyler and Hannah together?” Or any other of the questions you’ve had on repeat this year. Cuz seriously people read his columns before you ask something he’s answered a thousand times before!
I know you don’t listen to other bachelor podcasts. I highly recommend Kaitlyn’s recent one with Whitney Bischoff. I think it’s the most she’s ever talked about her time on the show and her relationship with Chris Soules. She talks about how difficult the post show comments were on her. People might not remember but she was torn apart for her speaking voice. Than there were a ton of comments that he clearly wanted to pick Becca over her. She went on to say how much dancing with the stars sucked because the producers chose another Witney as his partner. She also said she was never comfortable selling products post show and chose to do very little. She’s always been a favorite of mine because of the classy way she acted on and post show. I’ve hoped you’d interview her but I think she’s moved on and probably hasn’t been interested.I was one of the ones reporting about Whitney’s voice. In hindsight, probably could’ve gone a little lighter on her, but I know that’s not something she can control. But it was very high pitchy and just pointing it out. I figured once she got married and had a kid, re-living this show is not something she would’ve ever been interested in doing.
It made me think back to his season and how much it changed the show. I mean Kaitlyn, Jade, Ashley I, Carly, and Becca make a living from being alumni of the show. Now that’s standard but that was kind of the beginning. The show will never be the same.
On a completely different topic – Evan Smith from temptation island. I follow him and a few other cast members post show on social media. I’ve never been a big fan of his. I take him at his word that he and Morgan fell in love and I wish them the best. But I also think he treated Kaci horrible. I’ve come to that based on the show and some post interviews between the two. One thing that came up post show was he wasn’t working when Kaci was approached for them to be on it. Supposedly he did a little personal training but mostly he avoided looking for work and Kaci paid their bills. I think he always knew the opportunities that could come from being on a reality show and jumped at it. I think you even said it was obvious post show he was never gonna marry her. He and Morgan were also vocal post show they were very interested in pursuing other reality shows. I think so far nothing has come their way but I’m sure something will. Now in the last week or so it’s clear he’s been buying followers on Instagram. His numbers jumped from around 60,000 to over 200,000. And you can tell from comments that they were clearly bought. We’ve seen thirsty people from the bachelor franchise but I don’t ever remember someone buying followers like this!! I’ve unfollowed him now and think he should be called out! Again good luck to him and Morgan but I’m team Kaci for ever. I think it’s pretty clear who was the classy one in that relationship.
Comment: Well, I haven’t seen or heard a thing Evan or Morgan have done post show, so his online activity is news to me. I don’t have anything against the guy. I’m just glad Evan and Kaci are no longer together. Wasn’t good for either of them. If he’s happy with Morgan, good on them. I know Kaci is happy now, so they’re both in better places. Which I guess is the ultimate goal of what they went on that show for.
Love everything you do! Quick question: do you know the real reason why Chris Harrison isn’t attending Ashley’s wedding? He says it’s a scheduling conflict but it sounds like this just came up recently and he’s had quite awhile to know about the date. Thanks!
Comment: No idea.
I saw you ask in a recent column whether the big brother cast members are always this unlikable and the answer is no, definitely not. I’m disappointed that this is the first season your watching because this season is complete garbage. My first season I’ve watched was 12 and I can honestly say I’ve never been so bored. They might as well just hand Jackson or Jack the money now, they’re running the whole game and everyone is letting them. I wish Holly would get away from Jackson and play her own game. Anyway, I’m sure you’ll never watch again after this season, and I don’t blame you, I just wish your first season was better and maybe you’d start watching. Just because I enjoy your recaps. I really hope Jack or Jackson don’t win. I don’t think they’d be a popular pick. I can see them not getting many votes in the finals. Other people are more likable that can get there. One being Holly. Especially if she forms that two person alliance with Kat and ditches Jackson eventually.
Also, to the person who was asking about continuing 90210 after High School…..you’re just getting to the good part! The college years are the best!!! Keep watching for sure. I’m also team Kelly/Dylan. Brenda drives me crazy and I thought the show was better without her.
Comment: For sure. Obviously, it’s completely subjective, but I’ll always be a Kelly fan over Brenda. Brenda was just never my cup of tea. Always whining and complaining about something. And did a terrible French accent.
Not sure you will even see this since I imagine you get a ton of emails. I’m really, honestly curious about something and your opinion on it. I need to first admit that I have NEVER watched either The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. This season, I was intrigued when news popped up regarding Jed Wyatt and the girlfriend. Mainly b/c stories of people ghosting others just intrigue me in general. How can someone do that to someone they’ve had a relationship with? It’s just such an awful thing to do to another person that you invested time, friendship and even more with that it always baffles me. This story even prompted me to sit down and have a discussion with my teenage son about how to end things when he is in a relationship and to always be sure to actually end it- and if at all possible in person, not by text, email or over the phone.
The question I have for you is this – now that we know two men on this show were involved with women at some point in the months before being on the show(and more importantly AFTER throwing their name in the ring for the show) is the fact that this was the case with two of the top 3 an issue with the producers not doing their job and Hannah assuming that contestants are well vetted? Or does it speak to her ability to read people and understand what she really wants/needs from someone and being able to pick someone that would be a good long-term match? I’m honestly curious about your take on this. It seems really awful if the premise is that the show’s producers have carefully vetted all contestants and none of these things should be an issue moving forward? You can only vet up to a certain point with background checks. They can’t possibly keep track of who every guy is dating pre-show. Impossible. Or woman for that matter. Stuff like that is always going to get out, every season, and people are just gonna have to accept that. And honestly, the producers don’t care. The numbers that episode last night will pull, and the numbers they pulled this season are better than last seasons by a good margin. People are going to watch regardless.
What these men did were really awful but for completely different reasons. Jed b/c really it was dishonest of him with Hannah, but the truth is he could have changed his mind and went in with one attitude and then been surprised by his feelings, etc. He was honest with the other woman from the start about applying to be on the show, but to not even call or get a message to her at the point where things changed for him or as soon as he got back – that’s just disrespectful, rude and honestly at that point it’s good if Hannah really did completely end things because how could you ever trust him if he could treat someone he at one point did love so incredibly callously?
The Peter thing is awful in a whole other way. If I have the timeline right he applied after he was involved with her and she thought things were serious and progressing and he obviously didn’t feel the same and most likely had an expiration date on that relationship from the start and that’s just dishonest and wasting someone else’s time. He’s saying no. I just can’t take him at his word unfortunately.
I just can’t figure out though how three of her top four seem to have been terrible men. I know there are those who will defend Luke P or try and blame it on editing, but really it seems like from what I’ve read it was clear to many all along he wasn’t a good choice and then two of the other four had made some really poor choices just before being on the show that really speak to their characters. Were these truly the best of those on the show this season? Or is it her relying on proper vetting by producers? Or her just being poor at truly evaluating the character of those she is seeking to make a life partner?
Obviously, you have watched a lot of these shows so I’m really REALLY curious about your take on this season and what happened.
Comment: I think you have to understand, and you’re new to this so you’ll be hearing this for the first time even though I’ve said a gazillion. It’s a TV show. They don’t care about the lead finding their happy ending. If they do, great. They are there to put on an entertaining TV show first and foremost. Feelings of the contestants and the lead are secondary. They will throw someone under the bus, they will lie, manipulate, and deceive at any chance they get if they know it’ll be compelling television.
I emailed you last week about the show not addressing a guy that left. I should’ve been more specific but he was asked to leave based on a part of his past that was brought to light. I want to say his name was Tyler? I’m pretty shocked it hasn’t been addressed since this franchise loves a good scandal for ratings. Do you know why he left? Yes, but it’s unfounded stuff where the women didn’t attach their names to it nor come forward. But what they said wasn’t great, so the show got out in front of it and let him go because it was best for the show at that point.
After watching everything go down, I can’t understand even a little why Hannah chose Jed over Tyler. Tyler’s vision of his future was his life with Hannah and baseball practice with their kids. Jed’s future on his own was so uncertain, which is a red flag if you’re going to be engaged and planning a life together. Hannah wants to get married and have kids right away so I just can’t understand why she saw that kind of future with Jed, not Tyler. No question there other than “Wtf??”
Side note: Hannah’s dad sounds better just speaking than Jed sounds singing.
Comment: I don’t think anyone understands what she saw in Jed during filming, regardless of the stuff that came out post-show. Plenty of people feel your sentiment.
July 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM
Thanks for an awesome season! And thanks for the hope that neither Peter nor Mike will be Bachelor. Just don’t think either would make for a great show. Not saying I wouldn’t watch, I’d never say that, but just not into them. Clay is an interesting choice. I’m hoping they pull someone out of a hat and surprise us as they sometimes have. Also, have to agree, Tyler is in an awful position now. Two good choices, but hard to make one. But with his following, even if he sees where it goes with Hannah and misses the boat on this season, I can totally see him coming back next year.
July 31, 2019 at 10:03 AM
I don’t think Tyler was interested, but couldn’t say no. Agree that was just to give everyone a somewhat happy ending. I still want Tyler as bachelor.
Jed is a really big douche. I cracked up that part of his defense to Hannah was that he screwed around on Haley. What? Did he actually think that made him look better? – Look we weren’t that serious, I was screwing other girls too – Dude is not real bright, or just such a degenerate he doesn’t get it at all.
Can we please retire the word “Clarity” and phrase “Here for the right reasons”, I’ll scream if I hear either again.
July 31, 2019 at 10:26 AM
It seems like the show was encouraging the Hannah and Tyler scenario. They waited to bring him out last, and Chris Harrison had a huge smile on his face when Hannah started talking about how her feelings for Tyler were real during the show, etc. It almost seemed set up so that Hannah would get her happy ending after all, just in a different way. So if they wanted Tyler to be the next Bachelor, I don’t think they would have made it so easy for her to ask him out because it takes him out of the running. And it seems like they wouldn’t want him to say yes to her invitation to go out if he turned around and dumped her to be the next Bachelor because he really wasn’t interested in her. The show used to be more predictable, but times have changed with social media. And this is exactly what the show wants….. we are going to keep talking about this until the next story line rolls around.
July 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM
I’m posting both places, because it seemed like more posted today on the first night’s post.
What is with this Tyler is not being too bright? At the young age of 25 he has an MBA (which I have and it is not a cake walk), a successful contracting business, models on the side, and took care of his Dad’s business when he was sick. A smart, educated, hard working man who has tools and knows how to use them, is good looking enough to model, and loves and takes care of his family – works for me!
Hannah obviously needs some maturity before picking a life partner.
Peter was auditioning to be bachelor. As for the sex talk. It has never been my thing to discuss my personal sex life, even with girlfriends and sisters,just don’t do it. However, I understand others do and it was funny. Mom was over playing her part a bit though.
And yes, I’ll repeat this – To bachelor nation – Please retire the word “Clarity” for the love of all things holy. Use certainty, lucidity, clearness, confidence, surety, whatever just not clarity
July 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM
It’s pretty amazing that Jimmy Kimmel and his wife Molly read your spoilers and then claim that they know who the final four are! I mean really? Can anybody really believe that? Very disappointed in him—he kept hammering that home in his interview with Hannah -it was getting very old.
July 31, 2019 at 10:41 AM
Also what happened to Peter getting out and for having a girlfriend as well? Why did no one bring that up?
July 31, 2019 at 10:51 AM
Hannah’s attempts to pull a Mesnick are gonna be DENIED. If Tyler wanted her, he would have gone for it last night on air. But Hannah royally blew it–as expected–and picked a loser–as expected. What guy would want her after she didn’t pick them, then admitted banging some other dude 4x and played it up for laughs. Tyler has more self respect than that.
Crappy group of guys to pick from.
July 31, 2019 at 11:07 AM
Wow! I commented on yesterday’s recap about the Hannah/Tyler thing and agree with what jlal and dogmomma had to say about it. I felt bad for him being put on the spot. After watching what Jed did to her on the monitor, how was he going to turn her down and look like the bad guy?? And I’ll bet Hannah was egged on by producers for dramatic effect. I’m hoping they go on a date or two, then go their separate ways so he can be the Bachelor!
July 31, 2019 at 11:31 AM
Tyler posted a very nicely written message to Hannah on Instagram. There were a ton of comments and half the people said it was his “friend zone” message to her, and the other half said that they hoped things would work out between them. I guess time will tell.
July 31, 2019 at 11:43 AM
Another word I would like to see retired from the show is ‘journey”. It can go along with clarity.
I agree Tyler was put in a bad spot. The producers wanted him to come out last to give Hannah a least somewhat of a happy ending. Tyler was too much of a gentleman to have refused that. But it seems highly doubtful anything much will come of it, if for no other reason they live thousands of miles away from each other. Might be different if he had relocated to LA as well.
July 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM
Tyler was put in a horrible spot. Hannah deservedly proclaimed that she didn’t deserve to be anyone’s 2nd choice, but then blatantly asked Tyler to be hers on Live TV. Talk about a double standard and putting a guy on the spot like that unfairly.
And seconded on journey being removed from the shows lexicon. Hate it.
July 31, 2019 at 12:43 PM
Jed is gonna have to shave his face and cut his hair short if he ever wants to get laid again. He’s a total pariah for the near future.
But then, some women are turned on by douchebag asshats. Not a drop of sympathy for him though, it’s called KARMA, baby!
July 31, 2019 at 1:18 PM
While producers claim they have not chosen the next bachelor it is clear Peter is being given the Bachelor edit. There was no way out for Tyler last night and he clearly has no romantic connection to Hannah He did not seem upset at their breakup in Greece, I actually thought he looked relived. He seemed shocked last night when she asked him for a drink. Was he bought there on the pretense of the Bachelor announcement? Mike taking down Luke on ATFR was not a good look for him and looked like a produced edit to discredit him a little too.
I have to mention the ring. It was seen a lot last night. The producers really need to have more modern looking engagement rings. IMO, they look really dated and IMO I’m not sure it they are diamonds either, but I don’t think they have claimed they are diamonds anyway, just implied.
July 31, 2019 at 1:46 PM
Had not thought of it before, but you are right there was a double standard with Hannah. Tyler was set up, but he handled it as well as he could.
Another point about last night was Hannah was very gracious towards Jed. I thought she handled that in a very mature way. And she absolutely made the right decision in saying they are done for good. One day Jed might change for the better, but he’s got a LOT of self improvement he needs to do, starting with learning how to treat a woman properly and being faithful in a relationship.
July 31, 2019 at 2:02 PM
I think the Bachelor is between Peter and Tyler (although I would like it to be Mike). Doesn’t Peter have a proper job as a pilot with Delta (or has he been laid off or furloughed)? How can he possibly take more time off to be the Bachelor? Tyler strikes me as stupid. He can’t string two sentences together and he has no emotion. He’s good looking, but he has zero personality. Can someone with no personality carry a show as the lead? Is Tyler always chewing gum? It seems like it and it is irritating. Spit out the gum, boy! Of the two, I vote for Peter, as he has more personality, but I just don’t understand how this fits in with his career.
July 31, 2019 at 2:28 PM
You seriously think Neil Lane would risk his reputation with giving the franchise fake diamonds in the rings? Lol I don’t think they are cube zirconia. They almost always state the worth of the rings and Neil designs new rings for each series. The styles seem very common and popular, you see them everywhere. So I suppose they go for what’s popular. I’m saying they’d all be my choice, but I’ve seen far worse.
July 31, 2019 at 2:29 PM
That should be cubic zirconia. 😉
July 31, 2019 at 3:02 PM
The train wreck of this season is entirely on Hannah. Her decisions to keep Luke through hometowns and pick Jed were entirely avoidable. Hannah had plenty of information to know that they were both bad picks. But she kept picking them anyway. Her decision making about men is terrible. And based on her apparently poor history with men means that she was always picking the wrong guys. Well, it made for good TV, but Hannah has a lot to learn if she wants happily ever after. I’m not optimistic for her chances unless she does some serious reflection. And her do over with Tyler reeks of desperation. It’s not going anywhere.
July 31, 2019 at 3:09 PM
I agree with you rob. Hannah chose very poorly along the way and at the end. She has plenty of the blame here. She was the lead, she had the control. She probably romanticized the wrong things and devalued the right things. Happens all the time due to immaturity. By men and women.
July 31, 2019 at 3:38 PM
I thought it was pretty mean of Hannah to put Tyler on another horse date (again). He already indicated he’s bad with horses and there she was, picking him, of all people, to go on thee horse date.
I don’t know about her asking Tyler out. If she’s truly serious, I want to see her fly to him, truly trying it out with him. After all, he did endure a couple of horse dates, dumped him, didn’t have sex with him, had to hear how she had sex with someone else AND he had to live with Luke for a long, long while. Just sayin..
July 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM
I don’t get the Tyler being stupid. He seems like the most thoughtful and mature of the group.
July 31, 2019 at 5:01 PM
But, but ,but @kabuki…Tyler IS smart. He has his MBA !!!!!!!
July 31, 2019 at 5:04 PM
Tinyred500 Sorry for the confusion. There are plenty of nartual stones that are whilte like diamonds. I never suggested that cubic zirconia or any fake stones were used.
July 31, 2019 at 5:20 PM
Hannah fell after getting out of the car and hurt her elbow. Yet, when saying goodbye to Tyler her elbow is fine. Perhaps that scene was filmed later and inserted so we would believe that Hannah was conflicted over picking Jed or Tyler. They knew she had broken up with Jed and needed to make us feel like she should be with Tyler. Thus, when she asked Tyler out it appeared she kind of got a happy ending.
August 1, 2019 at 6:19 AM
I’ve never been so invested in the Bachelorette until this season. As frustrating as some aspects were, I genuinely enjoyed it and found it entertaining.
Also, I think why Hannah picked Jed over Tyler was because she and Jed were further along and he seemed like the safer choice. I think she viewed Tyler as being too good to be true and assumed he would be the one with the baggage and scandals because let’s be honest…he’s hot, and it’s hard to believe that a hot guy like that doesn’t have some reputation as a player off-screen. I just sensed she kept him more at distance and was guarded with him than the other runner ups because of that. But I think she genuinely was falling in love with him, too, and had there been a few more weeks left for them to develop, I think she would have picked him.
A huge part of me wants Hannah and Tyler to find their way back to each other, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
August 1, 2019 at 6:30 AM
I think that was unfair what Hannah did to Tyler at the end. She put him on the spot. If he said no, he’d disappoint the audience so he sort of had to go along with it, but he was wrecking his chances to be The Bachelor by saying yes. I felt she had much more chemistry with Peter and they seemed to hit it off so well. Maybe that’s just friend zone stuff, but they seemed so natural together. And I agree that Hannah always thought Tyler was “too perfect” for her. Ugh, really wanted to see Tyler as The Bachelor. And Jed? Where do I start? The dude is a dullard – no emotion – and he’s not that attractive. He looks like that Eraserhead from that old cult movie. I’m sure he’s hopping made at his ex. LOL
August 1, 2019 at 8:32 AM
Wow, ladyjane747, you took the words right out of my mouth! I was so pissed when Chris Harrison started goading Hannah about her feelings for Tyler, and could see what it was leading to. I’ve believed in her all along but I feel by doing what she did (asking Tyler out on a date) was acting very selfishly. I’m sure she’s been reading all the viewers comments online about wanting him to be named the Bachelor…and she’s admitted in several interviews that she does NOT want Tyler to be the Bachelor. But i don’t think it’s because she has true feelings for him, but more that she doesn’t want to watch 25-30 women fawning over him. And she painted him into a corner. If he rejects her he’s yet one more guy who disappointed her, and people would remark that he was just looking to be named Bachelor. I actually read an article where he said he wasn’t sure he wanted it, that he thought it might be too much responsibility. Hannah really screwed up. If she wanted him she just should’ve picked him. My guess is that she really held out hope that things with Luke would work out in the end, and when it didn’t, she couldn’t make up her mind. She admitted that it was love at first sight with him, so I’m thinking she just couldn’t transfer those feelings to either Jed or Tyler…so even if Jed wasn’t the scumbag he turned out to be, I doubt they’d have ever gotten married. She needs to stay single a while and process everything that’s happened. I’m praying ABC approaches Tyler when they don’t see anything going on with the two of them. But I agree with everyone…seems like Peter was getting the Bachelor edit for sure the other night
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August 2, 2019 at 11:32 AM
To the people claiming that Tyler was “put on the spot” — please. Do you really think the producers didn’t ask him beforehand whether he’d be interested in going out with Hannah again? They can’t take a chance on this ending with a dud refusal on live TV; there is no way they’d leave this to chance. They’d have known up front whether Hannah wanted to ask him, and what his answer would be.They probably didn’t tell Hannah what his answer would be,because they wanted her reaction to be genuine, but he had to have said he was interested or they would never have let it get to that point. They were definitely pushing the “sorta-happy ending,” but in order to do that, they needed to make sure both parties were into it. Tyler was.
If you want to say they’ll probably end up just friends, I’ll agree with that; the distance and the couple of months apart are enough to make a relationship difficult to start up again. But I’m baffled by this whole thing of “He’s too good to be somebody’s second choice.” Have you never known anybody who tried dating person A in their social circle, and it didn’t work out so they later ended up going out with person B? Doesn’t mean that person B is somehow their less-wanted choice; it means they grew and learned and changed their mind. Person A was their first choice then; person B is their first choice now.This happens in ordinary, non-reality-TV situations ALL THE TIME, and nobody thinks it’s evil or bizarre. It’s just dating. So why is it such a big deal here?
Just imagine it as if it were all happening off camera, in a normal group of friends. Tyler asks Hannah to go out with him (which, let’s face it, is what they really mean when they “propose” at the end of the series), and she says, “Thanks; I really like you, but I’m seeing another guy right now, and it’s important to me to pursue that and see where it goes.” When that relationship ends — whether that’s five weeks or five years later — Hannah goes back to Tyler and says, “Hey, you asked me out when I was involved and I had to say no. I’m single now, and I’m interested in you. Would you like to go get a drink or something, and see where things go?”
That’s a totally normal scenario anywhere except the artificial world of reality TV.
August 2, 2019 at 2:24 PM
You can tell who the front runner is by the quality of dates (yachting versus horse riding) and fantasy suite rooms (some are more romantic/luxurious than others).
I think she believed Tyler was ultimately too good for her in some way and realized it wouldn’t last long term, especially after he watched everything back. I didn’t see them as a match at all.
Peter wasn’t a match either; they are both naturally horny people in restrained circumstances.
Don’t see what she saw in Jed at all.
I would rather watch Tyler’s friend Matt than Mike as Bachelor, if it comes to that.
August 2, 2019 at 4:45 PM
Tyler and Hannah didn’t kiss and hug goodbye in the TMZ photos. Thursday night is not a date night. If they are serious, make it a Saturday night date.
August 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM
Justsaying, he was seen leaving on Friday morning. Spending the night usually qualifies as a date, no matter what day of the week it is. Neither of them works a standard 9-5, so why would they need to make date night on the weekend?
I still doubt they’re gonna last, because of the distance thing. But I think it’s pretty obvious that Thursday night went beyond “catching up as friends.”
August 2, 2019 at 11:56 PM
@janiel Week day meetings are well-known as booty calls or just testing the waters. If they are truly serious, it always need to be a Saturday night. No excuses.
August 3, 2019 at 10:02 AM
Justsaying, that’s the most bizarre “rule” I’ve ever heard of. I know people who have been married for decades who literally never had a date on a Saturday night, because their schedules didn’t work the same way typical employees’ schedules do. I guess in your eyes it’s literally impossible for an ER nurse ever to get serious about a partner, if week-end evenings are a requirement of their job? Or Orthodox Jews who don’t go out after Havdalah ceremony on Saturday evenings, but have their typical dates on Sundays? This whole concept is absurd.
August 3, 2019 at 10:12 AM
Independent of your conviction that somebody died and made you the God of dating rituals, however, this particular case *was* testing the waters, and always meant to be. It would’ve been testing the waters if it had happened on Saturday, too. These two are not serious yet and probably never will be, but it was certainly a *date*. That’s what you do before you are serious, to find out whether you want to get serious about somebody in the first place… which is exactly what they’ve said they were doing.
Lots of people date seriously on Thursday night, or Tuesday night, or Monday morning, or whenever their personal schedules permit. Lots of people test the waters on Saturday night… and *also* on Thursday night, or Tuesday night, or Monday morning, or whenever their personal schedules permit. This specific couple is testing the waters — by going on a date, which is how testing the waters happens. It seems to have gone pretty well since he stayed till morning. Nobody’s been trying to claim that they’re “serious,” only that it was a date. The notion that somehow it’s impossible for people to date seriously if it’s not taking place on your personally preferred schedule is just silly, but the notion that Tyler and Hannah are going to be serious at this stage of their renewed acquaintance is almost as ridiculous.
August 3, 2019 at 1:56 PM
@janiel If Saturday nights doesn’t work, Friday nights are serious date nights too.
Neither Tyler nor Hannah is an ER nurse or an Orthodox the last time I checked. Though if one of them are involved in Havdalah, one can invite the other to the ceremony, no?
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August 4, 2019 at 9:17 PM
My first thought after hearing about Jed hooking up with Haley right before leaving to film…I remember reading somewhere once (maybe even on this site!) they all the contestants get have STD panels run to ensure safety of the Lead. Is that true?
Depending upon when the blood panels are run, some or these f-boys (and any f-girls) could go on a real sexual joy-ride the night before leaving for the Bachelor Mansion and end up cultivating a pesty STD or worse to share with the Lead during the Fantasy Suites.
Seems like that could be a major liability unless the contestant’s contracts explicitly outline some sort of “pork at your own risk” clause.
August 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM
For everyone hoping that Tyler is the next Bachelor and that he doesn’t go back to Hannah, there was an article that came out saying that Tyler had a date with Gigi Haddid on Sunday, and then another article came out from US Weekly that said Chris Harrison commented that Tyler won’t be considered for the Bachelor since he’s playing the field and doesn’t seem interested in finding his one true love on a reality show.
August 5, 2019 at 4:05 PM
I knew Hannah and Tyler’s THURSDAY night date wasn’t serious! If it’s any consolation, a Sunday-night-date with Gigi wasn’t a serious date either for you Hannah-and-Tyler fans. Gigi, I have to say, is a fresh start for Tyler and she is a huge star and model and I’m positive she has a posh pad in NYC.
Hannah did make Tyler eat anchovies on a friggin horse date and then, proceeded to have on another horse date, only to dump him at the end of the show. Tyler does have some pride.
August 5, 2019 at 9:56 PM
I don’t think he’s going to end up serious with anybody in LA if he’s determined to make a life for himself in New York. The distance is too much trouble. But whatever day of the week he saw whom has nothing to do with it.
I’m mildly surprised that he decided he wasn’t interested in the Bachelor position, but if he’d rather date around right now, he’s at least handling it right. He’s being open with everyone about who else he’s seeing, and he isn’t trying for a position on a show that expects him to settle down very publicly (even if not for very long) with one person, less than three months from the start of filming.
It’ll probably either be Peter or a dark horse from an earlier season, at this point. I want it to be Mike but I don’t think they really want him unless he blows everybody away on BIP this summer.
August 6, 2019 at 8:25 AM
I read that article yesterday, too, dogmomma. And its’ total BS! If Tyler was their 1st choice they’d have offered it to him immediately, as the fans have been screaming for him to be Bachelor. Like last year with Colton, I suspect they have someone else in mind, and after watching last night’s BIP episode, I’m thinking they could be setting up Clay to be the Bachelor. It would shut people up about them having more racial diversity. Just look at his situation…recent break-up with former BIP/Bachelor alum, and from what Steve says, he gets broken up with at the end of this season. Last night a lot of the women were ogling him and his muscles. Just felt to me like a Bachelor audition. So what if Tyler has a few dates with Gigi Hadid?? Or that he spent the night with Hannah (one of them specified that they did not have sex that night, just a similar date to their fantasy suite date where they talked all night. And that would make sense as they have A LOT to discuss right now! For some reason it seems they just don’t want him to be the Bachelor. But Tyler has also stated that he’s not sure he wants it. So perhaps they did approach him and weren’t crazy about his response? I really don’t want it to be Peter. I’d be ok with Mike or even Clay
August 6, 2019 at 8:48 AM
I don’t think Hannah wanted to “get back together” with Tyler when he came over last week for the drink. It may have just been closure for both of them and they probably both wanted to talk about things so that they could end up with a friendship rather than having it be awkward. The latest article I read from US Weekly said she is happy exploring being single and so it Tyler. I listened to the Almost Famous podcast when Ben and Ashley I interviewed Tyler. Ben gave him a little “advice” at the end… he told him not to let the fame get the best of him and to stay true to who he is because he has a lot going for him, and a lot of the guys leave the show and turn into f*boys when girls start throwing themselves at the guy (maybe like Blake has done). Tyler seemed very mature in the interview, but he’s just starting to discover this new celebrity status, so time will tell if it sends him over the edge.
August 12, 2019 at 11:30 PM
Thank you so much for taking the words from my mouth! I am so tired of hearing people say “Tyler’s no ones second choice” She made an mistake. She realized her mistake, and I believe she would have realized it without the People story sooner or later, and she made the right decision once realized it. She didnt ask Tyler out for a drink as a manipulation, she asked him for a drink because she cares about him. The premise of this show is falling for multiple people, not just one, and making a choice at the end. She made a choice, it was wrong. She didnt ask Tyler to get down and propose again, she just asked him to drink a dang beer with her. What is it with this crazy insanity over the boy anyway? Yes he was kind and didnt pressure her to screw him, but there were other, just as awesome guys on this season. Better looking, sweeter, more earnest guys. I just dont get it. I love Hannah Beast. She was the best Bachelorette by miles and I am proud of her strength. Yes, she made mistakes. But you know what? Oh damn people, she’s a human being. A 24 yo human being. Give her a break. Yeesh
August 12, 2019 at 11:36 PM
Will you be my friend? Lol! You are a voice of reason. Is Saturday night being the only suitable “serious” date night something new? I have never heard that. Been on plenty of real dates that were in the middle of the week, even when I wasn’t a nurse.