Reality Steve

The Bachelorette 15 - Hannah

The “Bachelorette” Hannah – Finale Part 2 Thoughts, Jed Digging a Deeper Hole, & “Reader Emails”

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Hi Steve,

I have a few questions for you if you don’t mind.

1) Do you think the producers want Peter as The Bachelor? It seems like former contestants keep on trying to root for him and say things like, “Peter wasn’t like Jed. He went on the show single”. Are people who work on The Bachelor telling former contestant to talk about Peter being the next Bachelor? It sure does seem like it. He’s certainly in contention.

2) This isn’t really a question, more of an opinion. I don’t think Mike should be the next Bachelor. I don’t think he should get it just because he’s black and they haven’t had a black one. However, I will say if they don’t pick him, then I don’t think they will pick one. Does that make sense? I personally don’t think they should go with anyone from Hannah’s season. I’m not sure who they should pick, but someone else. I mean, I see what you’re saying, but lets say they don’t pick Peter or Mike. And they aren’t going outside the franchise considering they haven’t for 24 seasons and running now. So who would it possibly be?


I have a bit of a different question unrelated to the finale.

How do you decide what to spoil on twitter vs your site? Obviously you are making money off of site views and most bloggers (not that I consider you a “blogger” but you make a living off of site traffic) only announce big things on their site to make money yet you seem to post a lot of things on twitter. While I enjoy not having to wait for you to post on your site every week and being able to see things in real time on twitter… what drives you to tweet instead of make a blog post about it? That’s because some stuff doesn’t make sense posting a day later on my site. Yeah, I make $0 off Twitter, yet, I have no problem spoiling things there. It’s just about getting info out as soon as possible. If it’s just pics of a date or a location they’re headed, I’m fine with tweeting that out. But if it’s something that needs an explanation, like the change in spoiler from Tyler to Jed on June 18th that needed some backstory to lay out everything that went down, then I usually wait til the column.

Also… I see Luke P. follows you on Instagram. I follow Luke P and went to your Instagram and it says “Also followed by……” So no, I didn’t scroll through your followers to find this out. I know the whole “don’t read into social media” thing but has he reached out to you at all?

Comment: Luke P. actually started following me while the season was filming, which obviously was being controlled by someone in his family. Hence the reason you can never put 100% stock into stuff like that when trying to decipher who’s home and who isn’t.

Hi Steve,

I’ve been watching the show for a long time and it seems like the lead almost always chooses the person that their family disliked (or didn’t prefer) which drives me crazy. Got me wondering if you have any stats on this — how often has the lead chosen the person their family warned them about? Seems like in recent years it must be at least 80 percent of the time or something.

Comment: Yeah, I don’t keep track of that so I wouldn’t know what the stats are, but you’re right, it happens quite a bit. All a misdirection by the show.

Hi Reality Steve,

I’ve been really enjoying your commentary this season, per usual. I appreciate your interest in having Luke P on the show to discuss his experience, especially being “produced”. I’ve listened to your podcasts with Olivia about that subject and I was a big fan of the show UNREAL, (sidenote, did you watch or like that show?) based on the bachelor franchise. As someone who nerds out about psychology, the idea of being produced is fascinating.

Along these lines, I’m curious if you think/know if production totally re-edited the finale based on the Jed scandal to come after. I was watching last night, trying to challenge myself to imagine if they played all of the Jed scenes with romantic music instead of ominous music. Would it have appeared that Jed had doubts but that Hannah would reassume him soon enough? I think it’s possible. Clearly the producers know how to spin any content. I’m sure some minor things changed once they knew Hannah and Jed were done. That family visit in Greece and showing only the negative about what her family said was probably done on purpose.

Also, I predict that the dog food company that was Jed’s “ big break “ will send you samples, just like Halo ice cream. Because, why not? I hope you have a dog that’s ready for free samples

Comment: That’d be great, but I won’t hold my breath for it.

Hi Steve,

Regarding Peter: When he put himself forward as a potential participant of The Bachelorette, it was because at that moment in time he had determined that Calee was not the one for him. He broke up with Calee because he had realized this, not because he wanted to go on a TV show. He didn’t have to say: “Calee, I’m breaking up with you because I want to go on the Bachelorette” because that’s not why he broke up with her. All Calee needed to know was Peter was no longer interested in a relationship with her (and he gave her that “closure”). The end. We don’t know the reasoning, and probably never will.. but it all lands at the same place. I don’t agree with Calee coming forward with her “story” because it isn’t an example of Peter being immoral or unethical. It’s just a story of a girl who thought things in her love life was awesome being surprised to find out her boyfriend wasn’t on the same page and basically lashing out months later about it. What was her goal? Make Peter look like a jerk for breaking up with her and reduce his chances of finding happiness elsewhere? Truth is, she ended up looking like the true jerk.Couldn’t disagree more. But I’ve said what I’ve said about this situation enough times. So she’s a jerk? Really? SMH.

I don’t think Hannah owed us or anyone that info about the windmill. That was between her and Peter. Good television, yes, good relationship move, no. I think it’s important for some personal things to remain personal or they become valueless and nothing more than “entertainment” for others (who have no business in your personal life). But to each their own.

I think the biggest challenge Hannah faced on the show was time. The production timeline did not allow for her brain to catch up with her emotions and that bit her in the ass. When your brain and your emotions are on the same page – it’s easier to make a decision. Her emotions were stronger for Jed, so she followed her “heart”, despite red flags and warnings everywhere (especially from her own parents). Same thing happened with Luke. Making decisions based on emotions is something we all do… especially when we’re younger. As we get older, we figure out who we are and exactly what we want out of the people in our lives (both romantically and in friends) and we learn to wait until our emotions and brain are on the same page before jumping too deeply into anything. Hannah will also learn this (if she hasn’t already).

What scared the heck out of me about Part 1 of the finale is her saying that she wasn’t sure what to expect at the ATFR. Is she planning to ask Jed questions, and if he answers them in an acceptable manner, take him back? huh? If that is the case, it’s very clear to me she’s got a long way to go before she’s in a place where she’s ready for a truly serious long-term relationship. It may mean that she is not secure and confident enough in herself to think she deserves better. If I remember correctly, didn’t she say that the reason she kept Luke around for a long time was because he was the only one who seemed to be there for her and she wasn’t confident/secure enough in herself to think the rest of the participants were truly there for her? This speaks to how important it is to know who you are and be ok and confident about who you are. How can you look for and grab good things out in the world for yourself, if you don’t think you’re good enough for those good things? It’s impossible. You’ll always reach for less. Luke was less. Jed was less. Makes sense to me she went for them.

I want to be clear that I don’t think either Luke or Jed are less in general. There are people out there who are great fits for Luke and for Jed. I mean less of a fit for Hannah.

Something that really stuck in my mind was when Hannah said she couldn’t believe Tyler would even be interested in her. Like he was almost “too” good for her. It speaks to how even a stunningly beautiful person with a lot to give has deep insecurities. This is yet again a clear example of her lack of confidence. She is very insecure and it’s acting as a barrier to her making good decisions.

Some part of me hopes that at Part 2 of the ATFR tonight, what she really meant when she said she wasn’t sure what to expect tonight, she meant more that she secretly hoped that Tyler would suggest they give it another shot, but that she didn’t know if that was in the cards. There are two outcomes of tonight I’d be happy with:

1) Hannah is single and she intentionally and purposefully chooses to take some time to work on building confidence before she pursues romantic relationships in the future

2) Tyler asks her for a second shot, and it’s mutually agreed upon that it will be a very slow moving relationship, where she works on herself at the same time and Tyler gives her the space to do that, while slowly building their relationship. Well, it was #3. Hannah asking for a second shot.

If Tyler meant any of the things he’s said about his feelings (“once in a million connection”) for Hannah during the show, then it’s 100% going to be a case of 2). If he didn’t truly mean those things.. then it’s 1). Which in my mind, makes him a bad choice for The Bachelor. It means we’re going to get a bachelor who is full of shit.. who makes strong statements that do not hold water. If Tyler is who I think he is and stays consistent with what he’s said and how he’s acted, he’s not going to let Hannah get away.

If in the unlikely chance Jed gives Hannah some answers tonight that she buys and she gives him another go… I feel bad for her, and for Jed. It hurts them both, because once trust is broken, you can never get it back 100%.. and a relationship that is not based on 100% trust, well, is half a relationship (if that). Neither Jed nor Hannah, nor anyone for that matter deserves that. Let’s all shoot for a full blown healthy relationship that is based on trust.

No matter what happens, I hope Hannah lands somewhere great.

Comment: We’ll see what happens with them. Do I think they’ll get married? Probably not. But I think if she would’ve chosen him originally, I think they would’ve had a much better chance.

Hi Steve,

I wanted to compliment you on your recaps. Some are really funny to read.
This is more comments than questions and regarding this season as a whole.

There has been discussion ad nauseam about Hannah’s poor choices in men and – there seems to be some/ a lot of truth to it. But my point is: I think many women can recognize themselves in that. (including myself).

What is interesting is that she seems to choose something – or somebody – that feels familiar to her. And not coming from an entirely functional family, (she mentioned that herself) she feels attracted to what she is used to relationship wise; something not too easy; something that needs a lot of work. As well as somebody that creates some extent of turmoil in her; because otherwise it doesn’t feel like love.

If I am correct, this is not a conscious choice and therefore, it feels like ‘your gut’s telling you this or that.

Having gone through that cycle myself a few times, it is very strange to have a highly edited reality show being a showcase of what was a very real dynamic for me – and many, many women, I believe, from not-too-functional homes.

In my career, I’ve been trained in reading people, and despite and whatever the ultra heavy editing might do, she seems slightly uncomfortable and/or a bit unphased around Tyler C. If I read some of this correctly, she can’t entirely relate to his words or his comforting her, simply because she is not used to that kind of guy/relationship. It doesn’t resonate with anything she knows.

Hannah will be fine (and probably rather rich from this) so she is less important. What’s important is that she is showing a very common dynamic, ironically in a show made for quite the opposite storyline.

Another thing that this season inadvertently has brought up: Even though Tyler C is America’s Mr Perfect right now, there has been a lot of questioning about him being genuine. ‘Too smooth, prepared lines’ etc.

I’m wondering if people would have the same qualms if he looked like Evan Bass. It seems as if he might be falling victim of what beautiful (sometimes blonde:)) women have gone through for centuries: you can’t be hot AND have a fast and well working brain at the same time. He is playing heavily into that himself with all the shirtless photos, but heck; you give people what they want, ehh?

Lastly, a question: Not knowing how close the editing process is to the actual airing, what are the chances that Jed’s visit w Hannah’s family was the original edit? 3 percent or less than zero?

Compliments also for you being quoted on a weekly basis in Newsweek:).

Its a reality world we live in.

Comment: Yeah, I guess we’ll never know since no editor of this show would ever speak on this, but I don’t think it’s far fetched they decided to change the edit of him meeting her parents to just focusing on the negative.

Hello Steve, watching night one of the finale, I had two strange questions.

1. I noticed Peter’s hair (in his limo ride) looked freshly cut and I wondered how the contestants get hair cuts when they are filming for 8 weeks? Do they let them go out to do that, does someone on staff provide cuts or do they have to wait until they are release for hometowns? Usually guys get haircuts during hometown week because you have so much downtime.

2. It seemed like the family only needed to be in Greece for 2 days and I wondered 2 things: does the show pay for their flights & hotel, and; if so, do they get to stay at least a week or is it just 2 days?

Wishing you well!

Comment: Yes, the show pays for everything for the family to fly to the final rose ceremony location. And yes, most stay longer.

Hey, Steve.

Long time reader and listener, but first time writer.

What do you think is next for the future of this franchise? Will we ever have a “normal” (using that word lightly, here) season again where a contestant wins and that’s that? Or do you think the show will continue to try and outdo itself in terms of drama and dysfunction, knowing that it leads to higher ratings and more viewers? I feel like the last few seasons have had such extraordinary drama (i.e. Arie dumping Becca post-engagement, Cassie telling Colton she’s not ready/the infamous fence jump, Luke P., the show trying too hard to resonate with the LGBTQ+ community by bringing Demi’s girlfriend on the show when they never bring non-bachelor people on, and of course, the Jed situation).

Where are we heading, Steve? Is this the new norm? Is a “happy ending” too boring for Bachelor nation, now?


Comment: Yeah, I think have a regular season with just a normal final rose ceremony WITH no post-show craziness will be the exception now. When you’re 38 seasons in, you gotta change things up and keep people interested. This season destroyed in the ratings for a show in their 17th year. Gotta keep it going.

So much senseless rambling…

1. As always, you are the best. I agree. Thanks.

2. I thought the way you handled the discussion with Vienna surrounding her pregnancy loss was beautiful. You were sensitive, you let her talk (which you really do a great job of doing when people get into personal stories… Wes, off the top of my head, was an example) and you truly grasped the magnitude of her pain and loss. As a mother, I want to applaud you. Thanks. That wasn’t easy. I don’t wanna take too much credit, because honestly, I didn’t really know what to say. So I just shut up.

3. Just an opinion, but I loathe Jed. Truly. I remember thinking how great he was early on, being so supportive and understanding of her “journey” (as they love to say), but he really started to sour on me, even without the Haley news. Cracks started to show and it was so clear he was an act.

Then, the way he acted about Luke in Greece on the one-on-one was so manipulative, like he was trying to get her to validate him. When she finally sent Luke home and how he said something about how Hannah finally listened to him. Again, him. Subtle clues.
Last night I was ready to stick my hand through the tv and punch his smug face (kidding — violence isn’t cool, kids!). He was such a brat about the way Hannah’s parents felt toward him. Yes, a brat. Childish and immature.

They did not come across as gold diggers. Simply parents who wanted to ensure their daughter wasn’t signing up to support a struggling musician who is singing in bars every night while she holds down two jobs. Does he have a backup plan? At any point is he going to say, I tried and it didn’t work, or is he going to go down that road forever? All fair questions. Maybe they were asked oddly, probably editing. But fair.

And instead of saying, gee, that made me think… he made it about him. It made him sad. Messed with his head. But the dog food jingle! Don’t they know about the dog food?

What a child.

Also, the chemistry between Hannah and Peter on the couch last night on the live show was on fire. Never seen her and Jed like that. Well, you sent this before part 2. She was over the moon with Jed at the final rose ceremony and post show. There’s no denying that.

4. Maybe I missed this, so forgive me (toddler mom, I do 10 things at once so I miss stuff when I read at times), but have you heard from any of Luke’s former flames that he exhibited similar behavior? I know he and his family protest this is all a shock and he’s never been received by anyone this way. Also, I know you won’t betray anyone’s confidence, but can you just say yes or no that you’ve heard rumblings?

I was in a relationship with a narcissist. Verbally abusive. It starts early in their life and it never changes. I saw red flags from night one with Luke, classic narcissist. He was just trying to be what he thought Hannah wanted, which I think has a lot to do with him denying things he said — he just blurts out in the moment what he THINKS she wants to hear. And can’t even remember everything he spews. Hence the “falling in love” garbage at the talent show. He picked up on her insecurities and ran with it.
It just seems like a leopard doesn’t change its spots. Or rather, those spots don’t appear overnight. So he must have behaved similar in a previous relationship? Or did Jesus in the shower save his soul yet had to turn him into a dickwad as a result? No. Never heard from any exes.

5. What are Peter’s chances of redeeming himself and staying in the running for Bachelor? Obviously that campaign begins this week. We’ll see.

6. Will Jed take the title of “most hated man in America?” I can’t imagine anything he says will help. I predict he tries to pull a BIP redemption next summer. As a former entertainment publicist, I love to try and predict their media chess moves!
Luke… wow. Awful. He could have done so much to help himself last week and didn’t. Made it worse. Again, classic narcissist. I’m sure he didn’t listen to anyone because he thought he knew best. Jed trying to explain himself to Hannah was embarrassing. He deserves to get roasted.

7. Tyler. Sigh. If I was a teenager I would have his poster on my wall.

Can’t wait for tonight. And BIP next week. The one reality show my husband watches religiously with me! Thank you for all you do!

PS, I know you’re way too busy, but I wish you were more active on Instagram — that’s where all us moms are!

Comment: I’m just not an IG person and probably never will be. Not my thing. Maybe 10-15 pics a year tops.

Hey Steve,

Love your work! Do you ever get pissed about all of the “spoiler” accounts and articles that just regurgitate your work? I guess it could be positive publicity but every time I click on article with the opening sentence “according to Reality Steve….” I look for a link to your site but find nothing. Apologies if you’ve already addressed this….relatively new fan over here 🙂

Comment: I mean, there’s nothing I can do. It is what it is. I appreciate the ones that do credit, and the ones that don’t are trash. Pretty simple.


Thanks again for all that you do! Always enjoy following along with your spoilers. This season I think I’ve enjoyed your recaps, podcasts and spoilers even more than the actual footage from ABC.

Curious about what you thought of the Hannah and Peter interaction last night? Normally when someone’s being potentially considered for bachelor they play the “this hurt me but I’m ready to move on” angle on stage. Upset but not too upset. Peter was the exact opposite. At first he still seemed so devastated. And then when she came out their interactions were so flirtatious and comfortable. They were holding hands for a few seconds and then both realized and awkwardly let go. And then of course the totally awkward admission about their private sex life in front of his family. Why on earth were his parents cheering like that?! It all seemed so odd to me. They just seemed super into each other. And you are so right, she didn’t act like someone who’s engaged for all of those reasons. I’m not necessarily speculating that they are together just that there interaction on stage was very different from most people that have just been dumped two months earlier? Just my observations and wondering your thoughts. Well clearly they’re not together. I mean, they boned 4 times. Guess they had some connection.

Also, Hannah’s dad was uber focused on money with Jed. Makes sense because he’s a struggling musician but he really hit on the fact that someone would be taking care of Hannah multiple times. Just seemed very persistent.

Interested to see how it goes tonight and can’t wait to find out who is next for bachelor. Though it seems like Tyler is a no brainer!

Comment: Tyler and Hannah would have to be completely done in a month for Tyler to have a chance. And even then, I think as happy as people would be with him, I think plenty might also say he ended it with Hannah so he COULD be the “Bachelor,” and that doesn’t really fit his image. But who knows? I’d be surprised though now if it’s Tyler.

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  1. dbla31

    July 31, 2019 at 9:38 AM

    Thanks for an awesome season! And thanks for the hope that neither Peter nor Mike will be Bachelor. Just don’t think either would make for a great show. Not saying I wouldn’t watch, I’d never say that, but just not into them. Clay is an interesting choice. I’m hoping they pull someone out of a hat and surprise us as they sometimes have. Also, have to agree, Tyler is in an awful position now. Two good choices, but hard to make one. But with his following, even if he sees where it goes with Hannah and misses the boat on this season, I can totally see him coming back next year.

  2. jlal

    July 31, 2019 at 10:03 AM

    I don’t think Tyler was interested, but couldn’t say no. Agree that was just to give everyone a somewhat happy ending. I still want Tyler as bachelor.

    Jed is a really big douche. I cracked up that part of his defense to Hannah was that he screwed around on Haley. What? Did he actually think that made him look better? – Look we weren’t that serious, I was screwing other girls too – Dude is not real bright, or just such a degenerate he doesn’t get it at all.

    Can we please retire the word “Clarity” and phrase “Here for the right reasons”, I’ll scream if I hear either again.

  3. dogmomma

    July 31, 2019 at 10:26 AM

    It seems like the show was encouraging the Hannah and Tyler scenario. They waited to bring him out last, and Chris Harrison had a huge smile on his face when Hannah started talking about how her feelings for Tyler were real during the show, etc. It almost seemed set up so that Hannah would get her happy ending after all, just in a different way. So if they wanted Tyler to be the next Bachelor, I don’t think they would have made it so easy for her to ask him out because it takes him out of the running. And it seems like they wouldn’t want him to say yes to her invitation to go out if he turned around and dumped her to be the next Bachelor because he really wasn’t interested in her. The show used to be more predictable, but times have changed with social media. And this is exactly what the show wants….. we are going to keep talking about this until the next story line rolls around.

  4. jlal

    July 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM

    I’m posting both places, because it seemed like more posted today on the first night’s post.

    What is with this Tyler is not being too bright? At the young age of 25 he has an MBA (which I have and it is not a cake walk), a successful contracting business, models on the side, and took care of his Dad’s business when he was sick. A smart, educated, hard working man who has tools and knows how to use them, is good looking enough to model, and loves and takes care of his family – works for me!

    Hannah obviously needs some maturity before picking a life partner.

    Peter was auditioning to be bachelor. As for the sex talk. It has never been my thing to discuss my personal sex life, even with girlfriends and sisters,just don’t do it. However, I understand others do and it was funny. Mom was over playing her part a bit though.

    And yes, I’ll repeat this – To bachelor nation – Please retire the word “Clarity” for the love of all things holy. Use certainty, lucidity, clearness, confidence, surety, whatever just not clarity

  5. wiggy5

    July 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM

    It’s pretty amazing that Jimmy Kimmel and his wife Molly read your spoilers and then claim that they know who the final four are! I mean really? Can anybody really believe that? Very disappointed in him—he kept hammering that home in his interview with Hannah -it was getting very old.

  6. wiggy5

    July 31, 2019 at 10:41 AM

    Also what happened to Peter getting out and for having a girlfriend as well? Why did no one bring that up?

  7. crushonspivey

    July 31, 2019 at 10:51 AM

    Hannah’s attempts to pull a Mesnick are gonna be DENIED. If Tyler wanted her, he would have gone for it last night on air. But Hannah royally blew it–as expected–and picked a loser–as expected. What guy would want her after she didn’t pick them, then admitted banging some other dude 4x and played it up for laughs. Tyler has more self respect than that.

    Crappy group of guys to pick from.

  8. ctrealitygirl

    July 31, 2019 at 11:07 AM

    Wow! I commented on yesterday’s recap about the Hannah/Tyler thing and agree with what jlal and dogmomma had to say about it. I felt bad for him being put on the spot. After watching what Jed did to her on the monitor, how was he going to turn her down and look like the bad guy?? And I’ll bet Hannah was egged on by producers for dramatic effect. I’m hoping they go on a date or two, then go their separate ways so he can be the Bachelor!

  9. dogmomma

    July 31, 2019 at 11:31 AM

    Tyler posted a very nicely written message to Hannah on Instagram. There were a ton of comments and half the people said it was his “friend zone” message to her, and the other half said that they hoped things would work out between them. I guess time will tell.

  10. joanne

    July 31, 2019 at 11:43 AM

    Another word I would like to see retired from the show is ‘journey”. It can go along with clarity.

    I agree Tyler was put in a bad spot. The producers wanted him to come out last to give Hannah a least somewhat of a happy ending. Tyler was too much of a gentleman to have refused that. But it seems highly doubtful anything much will come of it, if for no other reason they live thousands of miles away from each other. Might be different if he had relocated to LA as well.

  11. crushonspivey

    July 31, 2019 at 12:38 PM

    Tyler was put in a horrible spot. Hannah deservedly proclaimed that she didn’t deserve to be anyone’s 2nd choice, but then blatantly asked Tyler to be hers on Live TV. Talk about a double standard and putting a guy on the spot like that unfairly.

    And seconded on journey being removed from the shows lexicon. Hate it.

  12. angelfish

    July 31, 2019 at 12:43 PM

    Jed is gonna have to shave his face and cut his hair short if he ever wants to get laid again. He’s a total pariah for the near future.

    But then, some women are turned on by douchebag asshats. Not a drop of sympathy for him though, it’s called KARMA, baby!

  13. pdxkg

    July 31, 2019 at 1:18 PM

    While producers claim they have not chosen the next bachelor it is clear Peter is being given the Bachelor edit. There was no way out for Tyler last night and he clearly has no romantic connection to Hannah He did not seem upset at their breakup in Greece, I actually thought he looked relived. He seemed shocked last night when she asked him for a drink. Was he bought there on the pretense of the Bachelor announcement? Mike taking down Luke on ATFR was not a good look for him and looked like a produced edit to discredit him a little too.
    I have to mention the ring. It was seen a lot last night. The producers really need to have more modern looking engagement rings. IMO, they look really dated and IMO I’m not sure it they are diamonds either, but I don’t think they have claimed they are diamonds anyway, just implied.

  14. joanne

    July 31, 2019 at 1:46 PM

    Had not thought of it before, but you are right there was a double standard with Hannah. Tyler was set up, but he handled it as well as he could.

    Another point about last night was Hannah was very gracious towards Jed. I thought she handled that in a very mature way. And she absolutely made the right decision in saying they are done for good. One day Jed might change for the better, but he’s got a LOT of self improvement he needs to do, starting with learning how to treat a woman properly and being faithful in a relationship.

  15. kabuki

    July 31, 2019 at 2:02 PM

    I think the Bachelor is between Peter and Tyler (although I would like it to be Mike). Doesn’t Peter have a proper job as a pilot with Delta (or has he been laid off or furloughed)? How can he possibly take more time off to be the Bachelor? Tyler strikes me as stupid. He can’t string two sentences together and he has no emotion. He’s good looking, but he has zero personality. Can someone with no personality carry a show as the lead? Is Tyler always chewing gum? It seems like it and it is irritating. Spit out the gum, boy! Of the two, I vote for Peter, as he has more personality, but I just don’t understand how this fits in with his career.

  16. tinyred500

    July 31, 2019 at 2:28 PM

    You seriously think Neil Lane would risk his reputation with giving the franchise fake diamonds in the rings? Lol I don’t think they are cube zirconia. They almost always state the worth of the rings and Neil designs new rings for each series. The styles seem very common and popular, you see them everywhere. So I suppose they go for what’s popular. I’m saying they’d all be my choice, but I’ve seen far worse.

  17. tinyred500

    July 31, 2019 at 2:29 PM

    That should be cubic zirconia. 😉

  18. rob22

    July 31, 2019 at 3:02 PM

    The train wreck of this season is entirely on Hannah. Her decisions to keep Luke through hometowns and pick Jed were entirely avoidable. Hannah had plenty of information to know that they were both bad picks. But she kept picking them anyway. Her decision making about men is terrible. And based on her apparently poor history with men means that she was always picking the wrong guys. Well, it made for good TV, but Hannah has a lot to learn if she wants happily ever after. I’m not optimistic for her chances unless she does some serious reflection. And her do over with Tyler reeks of desperation. It’s not going anywhere.

  19. crushonspivey

    July 31, 2019 at 3:09 PM

    I agree with you rob. Hannah chose very poorly along the way and at the end. She has plenty of the blame here. She was the lead, she had the control. She probably romanticized the wrong things and devalued the right things. Happens all the time due to immaturity. By men and women.

  20. justsaying

    July 31, 2019 at 3:38 PM

    I thought it was pretty mean of Hannah to put Tyler on another horse date (again). He already indicated he’s bad with horses and there she was, picking him, of all people, to go on thee horse date.

    I don’t know about her asking Tyler out. If she’s truly serious, I want to see her fly to him, truly trying it out with him. After all, he did endure a couple of horse dates, dumped him, didn’t have sex with him, had to hear how she had sex with someone else AND he had to live with Luke for a long, long while. Just sayin..

  21. jlal

    July 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM

    I don’t get the Tyler being stupid. He seems like the most thoughtful and mature of the group.

  22. adelina

    July 31, 2019 at 5:01 PM

    But, but ,but @kabuki…Tyler IS smart. He has his MBA !!!!!!!

  23. pdxkg

    July 31, 2019 at 5:04 PM

    Tinyred500 Sorry for the confusion. There are plenty of nartual stones that are whilte like diamonds. I never suggested that cubic zirconia or any fake stones were used.

  24. hulie04

    July 31, 2019 at 5:20 PM

    Hannah fell after getting out of the car and hurt her elbow. Yet, when saying goodbye to Tyler her elbow is fine. Perhaps that scene was filmed later and inserted so we would believe that Hannah was conflicted over picking Jed or Tyler. They knew she had broken up with Jed and needed to make us feel like she should be with Tyler. Thus, when she asked Tyler out it appeared she kind of got a happy ending.

  25. thecuriousgeorgette

    August 1, 2019 at 6:19 AM

    I’ve never been so invested in the Bachelorette until this season. As frustrating as some aspects were, I genuinely enjoyed it and found it entertaining.
    Also, I think why Hannah picked Jed over Tyler was because she and Jed were further along and he seemed like the safer choice. I think she viewed Tyler as being too good to be true and assumed he would be the one with the baggage and scandals because let’s be honest…he’s hot, and it’s hard to believe that a hot guy like that doesn’t have some reputation as a player off-screen. I just sensed she kept him more at distance and was guarded with him than the other runner ups because of that. But I think she genuinely was falling in love with him, too, and had there been a few more weeks left for them to develop, I think she would have picked him.
    A huge part of me wants Hannah and Tyler to find their way back to each other, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

  26. ladyjane747

    August 1, 2019 at 6:30 AM

    I think that was unfair what Hannah did to Tyler at the end. She put him on the spot. If he said no, he’d disappoint the audience so he sort of had to go along with it, but he was wrecking his chances to be The Bachelor by saying yes. I felt she had much more chemistry with Peter and they seemed to hit it off so well. Maybe that’s just friend zone stuff, but they seemed so natural together. And I agree that Hannah always thought Tyler was “too perfect” for her. Ugh, really wanted to see Tyler as The Bachelor. And Jed? Where do I start? The dude is a dullard – no emotion – and he’s not that attractive. He looks like that Eraserhead from that old cult movie. I’m sure he’s hopping made at his ex. LOL

  27. ctrealitygirl

    August 1, 2019 at 8:32 AM

    Wow, ladyjane747, you took the words right out of my mouth! I was so pissed when Chris Harrison started goading Hannah about her feelings for Tyler, and could see what it was leading to. I’ve believed in her all along but I feel by doing what she did (asking Tyler out on a date) was acting very selfishly. I’m sure she’s been reading all the viewers comments online about wanting him to be named the Bachelor…and she’s admitted in several interviews that she does NOT want Tyler to be the Bachelor. But i don’t think it’s because she has true feelings for him, but more that she doesn’t want to watch 25-30 women fawning over him. And she painted him into a corner. If he rejects her he’s yet one more guy who disappointed her, and people would remark that he was just looking to be named Bachelor. I actually read an article where he said he wasn’t sure he wanted it, that he thought it might be too much responsibility. Hannah really screwed up. If she wanted him she just should’ve picked him. My guess is that she really held out hope that things with Luke would work out in the end, and when it didn’t, she couldn’t make up her mind. She admitted that it was love at first sight with him, so I’m thinking she just couldn’t transfer those feelings to either Jed or Tyler…so even if Jed wasn’t the scumbag he turned out to be, I doubt they’d have ever gotten married. She needs to stay single a while and process everything that’s happened. I’m praying ABC approaches Tyler when they don’t see anything going on with the two of them. But I agree with everyone…seems like Peter was getting the Bachelor edit for sure the other night

  28. christytuzas

    August 1, 2019 at 7:27 PM


  29. janiel

    August 2, 2019 at 11:32 AM

    To the people claiming that Tyler was “put on the spot” — please. Do you really think the producers didn’t ask him beforehand whether he’d be interested in going out with Hannah again? They can’t take a chance on this ending with a dud refusal on live TV; there is no way they’d leave this to chance. They’d have known up front whether Hannah wanted to ask him, and what his answer would be.They probably didn’t tell Hannah what his answer would be,because they wanted her reaction to be genuine, but he had to have said he was interested or they would never have let it get to that point. They were definitely pushing the “sorta-happy ending,” but in order to do that, they needed to make sure both parties were into it. Tyler was.

    If you want to say they’ll probably end up just friends, I’ll agree with that; the distance and the couple of months apart are enough to make a relationship difficult to start up again. But I’m baffled by this whole thing of “He’s too good to be somebody’s second choice.” Have you never known anybody who tried dating person A in their social circle, and it didn’t work out so they later ended up going out with person B? Doesn’t mean that person B is somehow their less-wanted choice; it means they grew and learned and changed their mind. Person A was their first choice then; person B is their first choice now.This happens in ordinary, non-reality-TV situations ALL THE TIME, and nobody thinks it’s evil or bizarre. It’s just dating. So why is it such a big deal here?

    Just imagine it as if it were all happening off camera, in a normal group of friends. Tyler asks Hannah to go out with him (which, let’s face it, is what they really mean when they “propose” at the end of the series), and she says, “Thanks; I really like you, but I’m seeing another guy right now, and it’s important to me to pursue that and see where it goes.” When that relationship ends — whether that’s five weeks or five years later — Hannah goes back to Tyler and says, “Hey, you asked me out when I was involved and I had to say no. I’m single now, and I’m interested in you. Would you like to go get a drink or something, and see where things go?”

    That’s a totally normal scenario anywhere except the artificial world of reality TV.

  30. nursej

    August 2, 2019 at 2:24 PM

    You can tell who the front runner is by the quality of dates (yachting versus horse riding) and fantasy suite rooms (some are more romantic/luxurious than others).
    I think she believed Tyler was ultimately too good for her in some way and realized it wouldn’t last long term, especially after he watched everything back. I didn’t see them as a match at all.
    Peter wasn’t a match either; they are both naturally horny people in restrained circumstances.
    Don’t see what she saw in Jed at all.
    I would rather watch Tyler’s friend Matt than Mike as Bachelor, if it comes to that.

  31. justsaying

    August 2, 2019 at 4:45 PM

    Tyler and Hannah didn’t kiss and hug goodbye in the TMZ photos. Thursday night is not a date night. If they are serious, make it a Saturday night date.

  32. janiel

    August 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM

    Justsaying, he was seen leaving on Friday morning. Spending the night usually qualifies as a date, no matter what day of the week it is. Neither of them works a standard 9-5, so why would they need to make date night on the weekend?

    I still doubt they’re gonna last, because of the distance thing. But I think it’s pretty obvious that Thursday night went beyond “catching up as friends.”

  33. justsaying

    August 2, 2019 at 11:56 PM

    @janiel Week day meetings are well-known as booty calls or just testing the waters. If they are truly serious, it always need to be a Saturday night. No excuses.

  34. janiel

    August 3, 2019 at 10:02 AM

    Justsaying, that’s the most bizarre “rule” I’ve ever heard of. I know people who have been married for decades who literally never had a date on a Saturday night, because their schedules didn’t work the same way typical employees’ schedules do. I guess in your eyes it’s literally impossible for an ER nurse ever to get serious about a partner, if week-end evenings are a requirement of their job? Or Orthodox Jews who don’t go out after Havdalah ceremony on Saturday evenings, but have their typical dates on Sundays? This whole concept is absurd.

  35. janiel

    August 3, 2019 at 10:12 AM

    Independent of your conviction that somebody died and made you the God of dating rituals, however, this particular case *was* testing the waters, and always meant to be. It would’ve been testing the waters if it had happened on Saturday, too. These two are not serious yet and probably never will be, but it was certainly a *date*. That’s what you do before you are serious, to find out whether you want to get serious about somebody in the first place… which is exactly what they’ve said they were doing.

    Lots of people date seriously on Thursday night, or Tuesday night, or Monday morning, or whenever their personal schedules permit. Lots of people test the waters on Saturday night… and *also* on Thursday night, or Tuesday night, or Monday morning, or whenever their personal schedules permit. This specific couple is testing the waters — by going on a date, which is how testing the waters happens. It seems to have gone pretty well since he stayed till morning. Nobody’s been trying to claim that they’re “serious,” only that it was a date. The notion that somehow it’s impossible for people to date seriously if it’s not taking place on your personally preferred schedule is just silly, but the notion that Tyler and Hannah are going to be serious at this stage of their renewed acquaintance is almost as ridiculous.

  36. justsaying

    August 3, 2019 at 1:56 PM

    @janiel If Saturday nights doesn’t work, Friday nights are serious date nights too.

    Neither Tyler nor Hannah is an ER nurse or an Orthodox the last time I checked. Though if one of them are involved in Havdalah, one can invite the other to the ceremony, no?

  37. Statler Without Waldorf

    August 4, 2019 at 9:17 PM

    My first thought after hearing about Jed hooking up with Haley right before leaving to film…I remember reading somewhere once (maybe even on this site!) they all the contestants get have STD panels run to ensure safety of the Lead. Is that true?

    Depending upon when the blood panels are run, some or these f-boys (and any f-girls) could go on a real sexual joy-ride the night before leaving for the Bachelor Mansion and end up cultivating a pesty STD or worse to share with the Lead during the Fantasy Suites.

    Seems like that could be a major liability unless the contestant’s contracts explicitly outline some sort of “pork at your own risk” clause.

  38. dogmomma

    August 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM

    For everyone hoping that Tyler is the next Bachelor and that he doesn’t go back to Hannah, there was an article that came out saying that Tyler had a date with Gigi Haddid on Sunday, and then another article came out from US Weekly that said Chris Harrison commented that Tyler won’t be considered for the Bachelor since he’s playing the field and doesn’t seem interested in finding his one true love on a reality show.

  39. justsaying

    August 5, 2019 at 4:05 PM

    I knew Hannah and Tyler’s THURSDAY night date wasn’t serious! If it’s any consolation, a Sunday-night-date with Gigi wasn’t a serious date either for you Hannah-and-Tyler fans. Gigi, I have to say, is a fresh start for Tyler and she is a huge star and model and I’m positive she has a posh pad in NYC.

    Hannah did make Tyler eat anchovies on a friggin horse date and then, proceeded to have on another horse date, only to dump him at the end of the show. Tyler does have some pride.

  40. janiel

    August 5, 2019 at 9:56 PM

    I don’t think he’s going to end up serious with anybody in LA if he’s determined to make a life for himself in New York. The distance is too much trouble. But whatever day of the week he saw whom has nothing to do with it.

    I’m mildly surprised that he decided he wasn’t interested in the Bachelor position, but if he’d rather date around right now, he’s at least handling it right. He’s being open with everyone about who else he’s seeing, and he isn’t trying for a position on a show that expects him to settle down very publicly (even if not for very long) with one person, less than three months from the start of filming.

    It’ll probably either be Peter or a dark horse from an earlier season, at this point. I want it to be Mike but I don’t think they really want him unless he blows everybody away on BIP this summer.

  41. ctrealitygirl

    August 6, 2019 at 8:25 AM

    I read that article yesterday, too, dogmomma. And its’ total BS! If Tyler was their 1st choice they’d have offered it to him immediately, as the fans have been screaming for him to be Bachelor. Like last year with Colton, I suspect they have someone else in mind, and after watching last night’s BIP episode, I’m thinking they could be setting up Clay to be the Bachelor. It would shut people up about them having more racial diversity. Just look at his situation…recent break-up with former BIP/Bachelor alum, and from what Steve says, he gets broken up with at the end of this season. Last night a lot of the women were ogling him and his muscles. Just felt to me like a Bachelor audition. So what if Tyler has a few dates with Gigi Hadid?? Or that he spent the night with Hannah (one of them specified that they did not have sex that night, just a similar date to their fantasy suite date where they talked all night. And that would make sense as they have A LOT to discuss right now! For some reason it seems they just don’t want him to be the Bachelor. But Tyler has also stated that he’s not sure he wants it. So perhaps they did approach him and weren’t crazy about his response? I really don’t want it to be Peter. I’d be ok with Mike or even Clay

  42. dogmomma

    August 6, 2019 at 8:48 AM

    I don’t think Hannah wanted to “get back together” with Tyler when he came over last week for the drink. It may have just been closure for both of them and they probably both wanted to talk about things so that they could end up with a friendship rather than having it be awkward. The latest article I read from US Weekly said she is happy exploring being single and so it Tyler. I listened to the Almost Famous podcast when Ben and Ashley I interviewed Tyler. Ben gave him a little “advice” at the end… he told him not to let the fame get the best of him and to stay true to who he is because he has a lot going for him, and a lot of the guys leave the show and turn into f*boys when girls start throwing themselves at the guy (maybe like Blake has done). Tyler seemed very mature in the interview, but he’s just starting to discover this new celebrity status, so time will tell if it sends him over the edge.

  43. jeepers

    August 12, 2019 at 11:30 PM

    Thank you so much for taking the words from my mouth! I am so tired of hearing people say “Tyler’s no ones second choice” She made an mistake. She realized her mistake, and I believe she would have realized it without the People story sooner or later, and she made the right decision once realized it. She didnt ask Tyler out for a drink as a manipulation, she asked him for a drink because she cares about him. The premise of this show is falling for multiple people, not just one, and making a choice at the end. She made a choice, it was wrong. She didnt ask Tyler to get down and propose again, she just asked him to drink a dang beer with her. What is it with this crazy insanity over the boy anyway? Yes he was kind and didnt pressure her to screw him, but there were other, just as awesome guys on this season. Better looking, sweeter, more earnest guys. I just dont get it. I love Hannah Beast. She was the best Bachelorette by miles and I am proud of her strength. Yes, she made mistakes. But you know what? Oh damn people, she’s a human being. A 24 yo human being. Give her a break. Yeesh

  44. jeepers

    August 12, 2019 at 11:36 PM

    Will you be my friend? Lol! You are a voice of reason. Is Saturday night being the only suitable “serious” date night something new? I have never heard that. Been on plenty of real dates that were in the middle of the week, even when I wasn’t a nurse.

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