Hey Steve,
Love what you do, love all the tea you have on Bachelor stuff!
My question is pretty simple. Do you think Bachelor people persuaded Peter to have an unconventional ending that “wasn’t over yet” as a way to keep you from spoiling the ending? I know the chances are slim that they put that much effort into preventing what you do, but I didn’t know if this was their way to keep it from you as long as they could.
Thanks so much
Comment: Do I think they purposefully did it? No. But it could’ve just happened that way and they ran with it.
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Hiya Steve!
I have some thoughts about Victoria F.’s behavior that I would love your perspective on. I’ve been impressed with many of your break-downs and how you deconstruct certain characters and situations (in a way that makes me see things in a new light) so I was curious what you thought about this.
VF is said to have slept with no less than four of her friends’ husbands (and she was a guest at their weddings) which is a really hostile thing to do to your “friends”- it’s pretty much the worst thing you can do, to destroy their marriages for a string of one-nighters. Those marriages all ended, and she isn’t with any of those guys. She was also heard calling her fling with Chase Rice a relationship, even though he clarified it was a one night stand. She was originally quoted by the producers in her Bachelorette bio as getting implants for “revenge” (she referred to her figure and augmentation as her revenge body) but after that was published they edited it and removed those quotes. She is also being shown as having a great deal of friction with Peter, but she is kept around until after the Fantasy Suites, and then dumpled.
I don’t like her behavior, if all those things are true they don’t reflect well on her character, etc. That said, she seems angry and hostile (we see this weekly and her past reflects it too) and I wonder if it’s because she is used a lot by men so lashes out and causes damage in the way she best can. Those four married men CHOSE to cheat, but they all cheated with HER (and are from the same community, so it’s possible her name was being passed around among those men) and none of them are with her now. It wasn’t based on a relationship, none of them wanted to date her, it was literally just flings. Chase Rice didn’t want to have a relationship with her, even though he HAS had long term relationships, and I think she was upset he was on the show because she was embarrassed a one night stand was there (especially after she told people they dated). And finally Peter (who doesn’t seem to actually like her, but is attracted to her) strings her along long enough to possibly sleep with her, and then dumps her too.
Do you think she is hostile because she is jealous of other women who actually have relationships and the ability to sustain them? I’m sure she can get a boyfriend, but her personality is so off-putting, and now her reputation precedes her both in her hometown and now on national TV, that is seems like she isn’t able to actually find someone who is willing to put in the work to do anything more than have sex with her and move on. I’m wondering if her need for revenge isn’t on men, but on women she is jealous of who are married or in actual relationships and happy. Sleeping with your friend’s husband is incredibly hostile, she had to have wanted to hurt those women for her to do something that didn’t mean anything to her or the husbands, so she has a level of anger that is kind of scary.
Thanks (sorry that was so long- I’ve just been trying to figure out WHY someone would do that to friends, or pretend one night stands are relationships, and all I can think is she is very angry and a bit delusional)
Comment: Certainly an interesting dissection of her behavior. I can’t possibly know what goes on inside her head and why she acted that way in the past, outside of being super insecure. But let me make one thing clear. You basically stated it as fact that she broke up four marriages. What I said was that was the number I’d heard. But I only spoke with two women in particular who confirmed to me she had inappropriate relationships with their then husband. I just don’t want it out there as some sort of fact it was 4 when I never said that. Heard 4, but only confirmed 2. Not that it makes it a ton better, but just wanted to clarify.
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Dear RS,
<3 to you for all that you do for us impatient people. I am getting frustrated by all the people asking why Peter brought back Alayah or why he keeps Victoria F after hearing about her dating married men. And this thought applies to all leads (Bachelors moreso than Bachelorettes) as to why they keep a contestant around: The answer is “she makes my peepee all tingly/he makes my hoohaw feel special).
So umm yeah not a question I guess. Probably won’t make your column then. Ah well.
Comment: That’s a perfectly acceptable reason. It’s clear as day when you watched Peter on stage with Victoria F at the Chase Rice concert, then this past Monday with the Hunter Hayes concert, Victoria F. makes Peter’s pants tight. Not hard to see the physical attraction to her. Yet, every conversation they have is a disaster, she’s crying, he’s confused, etc. So yeah, pretty easy to see it’s all about the physical with her because just compare his 1-on-1 dates with Victoria F. to his ones with Madison. Night and day.
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Hey Steve!
Long time reader- first time emailing you.
So of course Monday Night (February 17) we get the Victoria mess but I want to go back to the Chase Rice drama… Have you really listened to the song Lonely if you are? I think it’s a terrific (and addicting) song but if you pay attention to Verse 2 , there is no way these 2 were a 1 night stand-
[Verse 2]
If it’s Monday and it’s over
You know the show your girls all come over for
And the red wine’s getting lower
And your last friend’s out the door
When there’s no more roses to go around
Hit me up girl, you know I’m down
Monday night show all the girls watch is The Bachelor- When there is no more Roses to go around?
No way these 2 were not in a serious relationship in my opinion
Your thoughts? Chase already addressed this. This has nothing to do with Victoria F. It’s about his ex-girlfriend.
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I of course don’t know what you do about Victoria and her history with married men but I really want to like this girl and I don’t know why! Last Monday’s episode just reminded me of someone super insecure, freaking out over the least little thing or even freaking out when nothing is there? Thoughts?
Thanks Steve! As always I enjoy ready everything on your site and listening to the podcasts!
Comment: You’re cutting her way too much slack. Hell, even take away the pre-show behavior. You think she handles herself well on this show? She’s a total mean girl and her behavior since Ohio has shown it.
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Hi Steve!!! I love reading your spoilers!!! I only enjoy watching the bachelor/bachelorette because of your spoilers, plus no one else I know watches these shows lol.
Anyways…. would you ever have the following people on your podcast in the future?
Kelley Flanagan
Claire Crawley
Jordan Wiseley (from the challenge)
TJ Lavin (from the challenge)
Also, how’s Luka doing?
Thank you for your hard work with your spoilers!!
Comment: Would love to have all of them on at some point. Clare has been on a few times but it’s been a while.
Luka is great. She sleeps and goes nuts when I pour her bowl of food. The end. That’s her life.
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Hi! I have a few questions for you!
1) how many episodes are in this season?
2) when is the finale?
3) who wins the season?
Comment: 1) 94! 2) coming up! 3) you do!
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Hi Steve,
Loving your recaps and spoilers and the weirdness of this season.
I have probably the dumbest question, and please forgive me if it’s been asked/answered. Do the contestants on this show have access to a Target or other stores to buy essentials if they need it? I can’t imagine packing toiletries, makeup, etc. for possibly 3 months. I consider myself fairly high maintenance and this would honestly be another small suitcase full of stuff for me! Yet at the same time, I can’t imagine the producers would like for them to be shopping. Any insight?!
Thanks for all you do!!
Comment: No, you can’t shop while you’re there. Once you reach the final 4, your handler will take you out shopping at that point to get nails, hair, mani, pedi, whatever done. But until then, you’re on your own in the house.
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Hiya Steve,
I was just listening to your chat with the chatty broads., and wanted to just add another viewpoint regarding Madison as the bachelorette. I think it would work, because Emily Maynard spoke about being careful about her image because she has a daughter, wants to be a good example, etc, so would not publicly take anyone to the fantasy suite (no one seemed to have issue with this, and her taking them to the FS after cameras were off is not widely known). Madison could easily focus on being a good example, an athlete with a history of championships (so not a timid female) who wants to be a strong example for women making their OWN empowered choices about what to do (and not do) with their bodies, so that could just be touched on and the drama of the season mainly come from the men. Yeah, I’m starting to see that even being a possibility. Before my mind was so set on this being a sexually fueled show, it didn’t make sense for someone with her morals and beliefs to be in the lead role. But what if ABC wants to turn away from that for a season? I guess it’s possible. But I do not know if that’s what’s happening.
And my additional 2 cents- I would love a Hannah 2.0! Her season was surprisingly great, and I’m hoping she learned and won’t make another unemployed, not-really-that-into-her, supported-by-his-parents Jed mistake. I wouldn’t mind Hannah, Madison, Kelsey, Amanda S, or Kendall. The only ones I wouldn’t really love are Hannah Ann (and only because she acts so young and I don’t believe she has ANY interest in marriage), or Tia (because of her “if you don’t want to be with ME, you don’t deserve to be here AT ALL” attitude toward Colton on Paradise). I also don’t think they would get many men who legitimately were interested in marrying Tia or that she would make good choices. But I’ll watch, whomever it is 😉
By the way, I think Bekah Martinez would have made a GREAT bachelorette back in the day. I always felt she was very mature, and clearly she was ready for a family, but I’m glad her life worked out so beautifully anyway.
Comment: Put it this way, if Hannah Brown is the “Bachelorette” again, you can bet your ass she’s getting engaged at the end and it will last longer than Jed. That’s a given. I think people could rally around Tia actually.
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What’s up, Steve?
Do you think production is forcing Peter to keep Victoria on? I don’t think he’s even into her, if he is I’m slightly concerned for his mental health, they haven’t had a normal encounter since like day 1. I think they just want to keep things spicy so their keeping her around. What’s your take on this?
Muchos Gracias
Comment: De nada.
I absolutely think Peter is into Victoria. Physically. That’s clear as day. Who knows if she intellectually stimulates him. You’d have to ask him on that one. My guess? Not in the least bit. What about how she’s acted on this show during any date all season makes you think Peter and Victoria are connected on any level other than physical? I can’t point to one instance.
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for continuing to stay true to your satirical ways and for working so hard to bring real info to everyone. I’ve been around for too long and I don’t think these questions are repeats, but many apologies if they are.
1. What does the Bachelor/ette lead get paid nowadays? It varies. Usually a years salary.
2. Since you have your finger on the pulse of several reality shows, did you watch Netflix’s the Circle? Probably the stupidest show I’ve ever seen, but I was fascinated and binged it hard. I will give it credit for being an interesting experiment about social media. No, but I’ve heard about it. Never got into it.
3. If you get married, would you ever tell your spouse the secrets of your job? I don’t plan on it, no. Would they know things before I post or talk about it? Yeah. But they wouldn’t need to know HOW.
4. Do you think the Bachelor in its original format would be successful in today’s culture? It’s so popular that it seems fairly immune to changes within the show, but also those changes have lined up with social media and mainstream culture. No.
5. What’s the earliest episode/rose ceremony that a lead and a contestant have slept together? Does Bob hold that record too? I don’t think there’s a definitive answer to that one.
6. Do you think the two main shows would ever do an All Stars season, where the lead only has contestants who have already been on previous seasons? Or is that only a viable option for the spinoff shows? What about the possibility of a Paradise with all villains? I think they’d be breaking too far from the norm to do that. That’s not the “Bachelor” or “Bachelorette” if you do that.
7. Do you think we will see footage of Hannah and Victoria actually saying “I slept with Peter in the fantasy suite” to Madison, or do you think ABC will edit things to be not so straightforward and bold?
Comment: It will be clear what happened, but do I think those are the words they’ll use? No.
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Please tell the producers to start fresh with a new girl. Did not like any of these women on Peters season . Definitely not Hannah Brown or Kelcy . I’m really going to turn it off if the same men or women are on it. Bring a breath of fresh air in to the show.
I was looking to see where I could send an email but I could only find yours.
Comment: *^^%$#%$^&*%$#@!#%^^&&%$#!
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I’ve heard Kaitlyn mention several time’s that Jason Tartick is still under contract with ABC? Beccas season finished airing Aug 6 2018 , how could he still be under contract ? I thought leads were under contract for a year or so but he wasn’t in top two or BIP ? How is this possible ?
Thanks Steve !
Comment: I have no idea. That’s news to me.
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Hi Steve,
What a ridiculous season! Couple of questions:
1. Is Victoria F adopted? Couldn’t help but notice she looks nothing like her family. Not that I’m aware of.
2. During hometowns, does the girl get any extra time with her family after the lead leaves or are they confined to the hotel? No. The family doesn’t see their child until they walk in the door with the lead, and when the date is over, the contestant goes back to a hotel and is on a plane back to LA the next morning or wherever the final 4 rose ceremony is. I’d say 80-90% of the time it’s in LA.
3. Have you seen the new Love is Blind show on Netflix? Addicted. No.
4. Anything you know about Tyler C being on that random ABC sitcom as well as apparently having his own show building houses for pets?
Thanks!
Comment: Nope.
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Hey Steve!
Love the blog. Just curious…where are final 4 Rose ceremonies usually held? I feel like in past seasons I’ve seen them at the mansion but I also remember seasons where they were not at the mansion (specially Nick’s season). Are they always in LA or does it depend on who has the last hometown? Just wondering. Thanks!
Comment: When they’re in LA they’re either at the mansion, at a hotel in LA, or that airport hangar they were at Monday. I believe JoJo’s final 4 rose ceremony when she eliminated Luke Pell was at that hangar. Looked really similar. But there’s was held outside if I’m not mistaken, whereas Peter’s was inside.
