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The “Bachelor” Peter Finale Recap – The Timeline of What Went Down, Theories Throughout the Season, The BS We Saw Last Night, What I’m Hearing Now, Peter’s Brother Going Off on Madison, & Clare’s Guys

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There is so much stuff to get to today, so many things that happened last night, things that I’m hearing now about what went down, I feel like I’m gonna forget stuff. I wrote as much down as I could, but whatever I don’t get to today, I will address in tomorrow’s podcast. I honestly couldn’t believe what we witnessed last night. Been covering this show for 17 years and 37 of their 39 seasons, and honestly, that was the most crazy, insane ending ever. Not the spoiler aspect of it, because you knew that, but how everything played out live, Peter’s parents being absolute buzzkills, and just the total craziness that ensued last night during the live aspect of it. I mean, it would take me 10 pages to literally go over everything we saw last night, but I just don’t feel like doing that. In case you missed it, ABC released 32 of Clare’s guys this morning on the “Bachelorette” Facebook page. I had 19 of them that I posted earlier this morning, but I’ve also added them on pages 4 & 5 today. I’m sure the 13 guys last names I don’t have will be coming to me all throughout the day, so I will add those on social media as we move forward. I’m saving the final “Reader Emails” of the season til next week because there’s too much to go over from last night. Holy shit, lets start with that and what’s happening now.

First I need to start off and say that this was truly the weirdest season I’ve ever dealt with. All season I kept telling you I didn’t have solid confirmation on who Peter was with, and that’s why I never posted anything. You’ll see all the rumors I heard on page 3, but with everything I was hearing all season, I just never felt comfortable running with anything. Last Thursday, I gave what I thought was solid confirmation of how the season ended, and it had some parts right, but a major thing wrong was the Hannah Ann engagement. You can ask til the cows come home how did I not find out that Peter and Hannah Ann got engaged in Australia. And the answer will be the same: I have no idea. Did I hear at some point over the last 3 months he’d chosen Hannah Ann? Yes. But never had any solid proof of it so I never ran with it. Not to mention, 90% of the stuff was that he was with Madison – and I’m talking stuff from early December, which clearly wasn’t the case. I told you within the first week of the season being done filming, that basically “everyone and their mother in Alabama” was telling me Peter was with Madison, which clearly was garbage. I was flooded with info like that. Maybe it was a misinformation campaign. I don’t know, because it was clearly wrong. But I never ran with it anyway.

So then Thursday comes, I post what I did, do a whole podcast about it, and immediately I’m told by people I trust “Steve, you need to look into that. I don’t think that’s right.” Again, I can ask til forever “Why didn’t you inform me of this earlier,” but that’s neither here nor there anymore. I got a hold of the people I needed to get a hold of this weekend, updated the spoilers on Monday, and everything I gave you Monday ended up being true. What Chris Harrison was referring to at the final rose ceremony talking to Peter (which ended up being a giant bag of nothing), who was Barb talking about, Peter and Hannah Ann getting engaged in Australia, them breaking up during the house visit in CA, and then he was currently in a limbo situation with Madison and it wasn’t as strong as I thought. All of it played out like my sources this weekend told me it would. I’m not gonna bother asking why it took so long this season, because I don’t think I’ll ever get an answer. Just know one season has nothing to do with the next.

Which brings us to Peter’s stand all season, which was “Reality Steve isn’t gonna spoil the ending, and there’s a reason for it.” Well #1, I did spoil your season. It might not have been til the day of the final rose ceremony, but it was spoiled. And #2, now that the season has played out, and I look back at Peter’s statement, I still don’t know exactly what this “reason” was. Granted, he ended up being right until this past Monday, but still such a bold claim to make at the beginning of the season when, shit, he left Australia engaged and was engaged when he made that comment to start his season. Maybe Peter will address this when he starts doing media as to what he was referring to, but as of now, I don’t have the faintest idea what he meant when he said that.

You know what’s absolutely f***ing amazing, and once again proves what I’ve told you time and time again, which is you can NEVER take what you see posted on social media as 100% proof of anything. Lets look back on what Madi posted the day after premiere night of her 1-on-1 date with Peter:

She wasn’t even with him, let alone talking to him and she posted that! After she did, you know how many people emailed me saying, “Oh Steve, it’s obvious Madi is with Peter. Who would post that if they weren’t together?” Well she did and they weren’t. At the time.

Then top it all off, on the day of her first 1-on-1 with Peter, Hannah Ann posted this IG pic:

And this was AFTER he’d broken up with her in the CA house and she read him the riot act. We all saw it last night. She was having NONE of his BS. But then she STILL went out and posted this on her IG the day of her first 1-on-1. And you know what people were telling me after she posted that? “Well Steve, it’s obvious Hannah Ann is with him because why would you post that if you were dumped?” So yeah, never, ever, ever again do I want to hear that because a contestant posts something about their season on social media, that they’re giving something away about them winning or losing. Not everything is 100% proof of something when it comes to social media. These contestants are essentially told what to do, and I’m sure Madi and Hannah Ann were told to continue confusing the audience since no spoiler was out yet. But the fact that Hannah Ann posted that pic with THAT caption AFTER their breakup just roughly a week earlier takes some serious balls. Looking back, I can’t believe she did that.

So the next thing I’m sure you’re gonna ask about is the timeline of everything and when it went down. I’ll do the best to tell you what I know. Last night, when Hannah Ann showed up at the CA house for the breakup, Peter said something to the effect of it had been a month since he’d seen her or something? Here’s what I know:

-Peter and Hannah Ann’s breakup happened in the CA house the week of the Super Bowl, so last week of January. Basically before he went to the Super Bowl that weekend that he posted from non stop, he had just ended his engagement to Hannah Ann.

-I posted this picture from Madison and a Bachelor film crew in Alabama on Feb 11th:

Certainly looks like the same outfit Madi was wearing during her sit down with Chris Harrison, so roughly 2 weeks after his breakup with Hannah Ann is when that conversation with Chris Harrison and Madison took place in Auburn, AL.

-Then we know Madison and Peter had their conversation by the pool in CA sometime after that.

HOWEVER, here is something I can share now that became “official” last night. Remember early on this season so many of you were sending me the “Hey, Madison follows Peter’s friend Courtney who runs ‘Seed to Mountain’ charity and they comment on each others pics all the time. Would she really be friends with her if she wasn’t with Peter?” Well, Courtney had a baby shower on Feb. 1st. That day I was told Madison was in attendance. But nobody had a picture of her physically being there, so I could never run with it. It was just rumor at that point. Until last night. After that shit show went down on the ATFR, Peter’s friend Courtney took up for Madi and posted a pic from that very baby shower which took place on Feb. 1st showing Madison was in attendance:

So piecing things together, just DAYS after Peter ends his engagement to Hannah Ann, Madison is hanging with one of Peter’s best friends at her baby shower. Do we honestly think Peter’s name wasn’t brought up? She knew he’d gotten engaged in Australia? A break up happened? Very sketchy now to believe that when Chris sat down with Madison on Feb. 11th to break “the news” to her, she didn’t already have a clue, if not know everything that had already happened.

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  1. SeaDub

    March 11, 2020 at 9:57 AM

    While Peter’s mother was over the top, what is being lost is why the vitriol towards madison, especially since she liked her so much at her vow renewal ceremony? Both Peter’s parents alluded that not all was shown and Madison showed absolutely no softness or remorse for having them wait for her for 3 hours. In fact her response to that was, this is also about me. Yes, absolutely, it is. But that doesn’t give you the liberty to make it all about you and when you hold people up for three hours, you acknowledge it, apologize and explain why.

    Madison is a bit too high and mighty. She isn’t the only person in the world with her morals and those morals do not make her any better or worse than anyone else.

  2. sagewells

    March 11, 2020 at 10:39 AM

    Totally agree with above poster. Barb was out of line, but like Steve said, of course her “performance” was absolutely provoked and encouraged by producers. Then to have Chris Harrison act like he’s going to be there for them…yeah right. Madison could have resolved the issue with his parents right then and there. But she chose to roll her eyes and act smug. She keeps saying that she’s “been through so much…” Oh really, what has she been through!! She brought this all on herself by not being up front from the beginning with Peter, then breaking up with him. What has she been through? Poor Hannah Ann is the one who got screwed. Has Madison acknowledged that??

  3. kathyfrank1222

    March 11, 2020 at 10:39 AM

    I just listened to a interview with Chris Harrison. He said them being late was on both Peter & Madison. It was because they were talking about the relationship not Peter trying to talk her into going in and meeting the parents.

    She has never said anything about them having to bow to her morals, she from the beginning has stated they were for her. she never said anyone was worse or bad, far from that she never told them they were bad.

  4. kathyfrank1222

    March 11, 2020 at 10:45 AM

    The person rolling her eyes was Mom. She had nothing to do with Peter treating Hannah Ann terribly.

  5. krashing

    March 11, 2020 at 10:45 AM

    Wow, Steve, you got jobbed. ABC threw you a bunch of head fakes and it looks like you bit on all of them.

    I’ll never trust any so-called “spoilers” from your page again.

  6. feck

    March 11, 2020 at 10:55 AM

    After watching with the wife last night.. she needed to show up sooner, but Hannah Ann after last night how she presented and delivered her message during the live show and break up. She should be the Bachelorette.

  7. ctrealitygirl

    March 11, 2020 at 11:13 AM

    Seriously people? Madison made them wait 3 hours? How bout production did that? And I’m certain just to get their blood boiling! This season has made me hyper aware of all that they do to stir the pot at ABC, just to boost ratings. Barbara is a grown ass woman and she attacked a 23 year old woman on national TV and was relentless. Why didn’t they have Madison’s father in the audience to rebute all the crap Barbara was flinging at his daughter? Does Barbara think the cast have any say in what happens? I read Sharleen Joynt’s Flare recap this morning and she commented that the producers should have allotted Peter and Madison time to discuss things before meeting his parents. The common denominator in all of this mess is Peter. It was clear watching his body language last night that he has know idea what he’s doing or who he wants to end up with. So, he really should do the right thing and just let Madison down easily and walk away with no one. He NEVER should’ve proposed to Hannah Ann as it was clear he was NOT in love with her and only chose her because she was the only on left and also because he knew it would make his mommy happy. If he loved Madison, he would NOT have slept with the other two women, and he would have gone after Madison to try and work things out like Colton did. But I’m betting production would not let him do that because it’s the same ending as the last Bachelor…and they were hellbent on having a finasco of an ending. But, like Sharleen pointed out…in doing that they sacrificed the love story. The way it ended last night left a bad taste in my mouth and was not entertaining in the least. Chris Harrison kept egging Momma Weber on and the show dragged on to where they were out of time and they ended it on a bad note. Shame on them

  8. justsaying

    March 11, 2020 at 11:16 AM

    sagewells,
    There were TWO people who were 3-hours late. Madison said there were circumstances out of her control without fully being able to disclose her side of the story. This is an ABC production. You really think Maddie has so much control over the filming etc??

    Also, Maddie did not roll her eyes. It was BARB.

  9. crushonspivey

    March 11, 2020 at 11:18 AM

    Barb was a ruthless and cruel person last night. Just mean spirited. Her complaints felt like excuses. And let’s say it as it is: Peter kept Victoria Fuller’s family waiting forever since he never came in did he. So they can say the same about him. So Barb needs to zip it in that area. Stuff happens with production. And Madison already knew Barb was a b!tch from her time at the ceremony with them.

    Next, I think Barb forgot that Madison had parents too. And a family. I mean holy crap what an awful, spiteful woman. I get talking about reasons of concern for differences with them. That is legit. But she went way past that and attacked the girl in ways she never needed to. She got personal. On national TV. Talk about horrible. Plus, she acted like the girl Peter was going to choose was hers. Sorry mom, but no. Peter needs to grow a pair, move out and become a man on his own. His weasly brother too. Both are emotional children with a smother problem.

    Barb was mean, asked her hubbie to be mean. And is deserving the crap she is getting. She was awful. Madison needs to run. Regardless of how she feels for Pete. She deserves way better. Way way better than that dysfunctional family with boys that have no idea how to be men because BARB.

    And then seeing what they cast for Clares season? Production just doesn;t care. They learned nada from this season.

  10. geo208

    March 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM

    Well first I have to say it has been a few years since I watch this show, I only starting watching after I heard some things about Madison and her Christian background. I was happy to see someone on the show with strong convictions and not afraid to speak out publicly, this day in age. So I ended up watching almost the entire season on Hulu. It is hard to believe that after Madison’s hometown date, Peter had not noticed that Madison’s lifestyle is very different than his. At that point, if he did not really have any feelings for her, I would think he would have let her go, especially knowing what her father said to him. So there is probably a lot we as a view did not see. I wish Madison had explained her feelings and viewpoints better to Peter that night in front of the Hanger, such as It was ok if he spent the night with the other women, but just wait on having actual sex with them. Heck, if he had done that it would show he had respect for all three of them. So either the show did not show this or Peter really did not understand what she was saying. I hate to point to age here but Hannah Ann, Madison, and even Peter still have a lot of growing to do. Remember the human brain is not fully developed until after about 25 or 26, for men (no judgment) it can almost 28. Hannah Ann handled the whole situation with class, which I give her a lot of credit, she knew he did not have the same feelings as her and had the guts to leave. I give Madison a lot of credit for leaving when she did, she knew that they were very different people. I think production had a lot to do with this SECOND CHANCE between Madison and Peter, and they are going along with it, for now, maybe they even think they may be able to overcome it, but body language tells a lot about where they are right now, which is not good. No hand-holding, or even sitting closer together, none of that happened last night, so I am thinking they really are not together and that production just wanted them together to say that the season ended with Peter with one of the women from the show. After the dust settles it will be all over and they will move on with their lives. Which is why I think Peter did not defend Madison as much as he should have last night.Just a few of my own thoughts. His mother was way out of line and even if she didn’t like Madison (which she has a right to her opinion) you just do not act like that in public. For her son’s sake at least. I hope Clare’s season is different, especially since the cast will, for the most part, be older.

  11. tinyred500

    March 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM

    Peter’s mother and family have decided for him his whole life, tis why he’s such a mess in relationships. This is why Peter is so indecisive and why he is somehow drawn to drama. He’s constantly had his over bearing mother on his shoulder chirping in her sons ear telling him what to do, and then his Father and brother pile on. His mother is all about drama and makes it all about her, and her go-to reaction is crying when it isn’t going her way.

    It’s one thing to be protective and caring, but his family overstep the mark to the point of being totally unhealthy. Peter’s family have a very unhealthy dynamic IMHO. Peter has never been allowed to grow up and make his own mistakes, his family thinks he’s perfect. The Weber men are controlled by Barb, even her own husband is an enabler of her drama and manipulation. What parents would say we don’t want him to change and are fine with a 28 year old man-child living an 18 yr year olds lifestyle? Changing and compromising is what adults do to enable a relationship to work.

    Peter needs to leave home and away from his families influence. Only then might he finally grow up and live a different kind of life with his own life choices; good or bad.

    With a mother like that, few women would stand a chance, I don’t rate Peter and Maddison’s chances highly at all. It’s over before it’s even had a chance to begin.

  12. justsaying

    March 11, 2020 at 11:38 AM

    Correction to my earlier post, there were TWO people PLUS PRODUCTION who were 3-hours late.

    Wells Adams brought up an excellent point, Barb should know this regarding production. This wasn’t her first rodeo venturing into the Bachelor World and behind the scenes. So, for Barb to slander Maddie being “3 hours late” is malicious.

  13. joanne

    March 11, 2020 at 11:43 AM

    Madison needs to RUN far away from Peter and his toxic family. What a dumpster fire of an ending.

    The worst was showing Peter’s mom’s reactions while showing what happened with Hannah and then later with Madison. Her face was full or rage, all because she hates Madison and adores Hannah, even though she only spent a few hours with her. That was insane.

    And then Chris Harrsion kept asking mom her opinions, just so she could stick the knife in more. Production treated Madison very badly too. Why was no one there to defend Madison?

    And now there are rumors Peter has been with other women the last few months. Run Madison if you haven’t already

    I’ve noticed Peter has no interviews lined up with Kimnell or GMA. That tells me even ABC has had enough of this.

  14. ganny2jax

    March 11, 2020 at 12:01 PM

    Unbelievable how Barb acted! I feel bad for Peter, and embarrassed too. What a total mess… I see no way they will stay together with just the way his family acted. Unreal!!!

  15. joanne

    March 11, 2020 at 12:14 PM

    Something I forgot to mention is Hannah Ann saying Peter contacted Hannah B. And now we hear stories about how he saw other women during that period of time too.

    Good grief this guy needs to grow up. As Hannah Ann said, if he wants a woman he needs to be a man.

  16. ctrealitygirl

    March 11, 2020 at 12:17 PM

    Perhaps they’ve noticed he’s finally reached his breaking point? His body language last night was screaming how uncomfortable he was. He waffled back and forth so many times throughout his season only to have it all blow up in his face at the end and it was clear he has no idea how to handle all the backlash. And it’s apparent he’s gunshy about admitting being in love with anyone else now after what a mess he made: declaring love for Madison, then when she left, declaring love for Hannah Ann and also doing the same with Victoria. He had no idea what he was getting himself into when he signed up for the Bachelor role. I’m sure all he could think about was all the gorgeous women he could kiss and fondle…think Hannah B x 30

  17. kabuki

    March 11, 2020 at 12:20 PM

    Whew! That was one rough episode to watch. Peter’s mother probably wants to curl up and die from humiliation today. In this age of social media, she has been flamed left, right and center. People do not hold back when typing from the anonymity of a keyboard! In many ways she reminded me of Bryan Abasolo’s mother from Rachel Lindsay’s season. She was a Latina mother (Colombia or Venezuela–I forget) with very strong ties to her son. I remember at the time thinking no way, no how is she going to accept Rachel Lindsay as her daughter-in-law, but I was wrong. I am from a family with a father from El Salvador and a mother from France. My father’s mother had nothing good to say about my mother. Nothing she did was ever good enough for her only son. I know how tight those family bonds can be and how controlling mothers can be. I understand Peter’s mother wanting the best for her son, but she needed to hold her tongue and wait for the relationship to collapse on its own (and it will–give it a week–I’m sure Madison’s father is pressuring her to dump Peter and his nasty family). Barbara went from hero to zero in a matter of minutes. It was painful to watch. Peter’s family were too front and center this entire season and it spectacularly imploded. I bet they have HUGE regrets about what went down last night. How do you recover from such a public humiliation? UGH.

    I did not think much of Hannah Ann in the beginning, but she was so poised and articulate last night that she went up many notches in my book. In a year or two she’d make a good Bachelorette. I just can’t take Madison and the way she inserted the word “like” 3 times in every sentence. She came across as an airhead. When Mama Weber said she was 3 hours late without an apology, it couldn’t have hurt Madison to offer up a belated apology, but she did not, adding more fuel to the fire. I really don’t see what P & M have in common and now with both families angry at how their children were treated, this relationship is a no go.

    Peter doesn’t know what he wants. The way he hesitated when asked whether he was in love with Madison was very telling and cringeworthy. He is too young to get married and needs to break free from his parents for a few years and live his own life and make his mistakes. This whole Bachelor experience did nothing to help Brand Weber and, in fact, it damaged it in a big way. What a dumpster fire!

  18. crushonspivey

    March 11, 2020 at 12:29 PM

    So Hannah Ann said today on one of the Bach podcasts that Peter needed to see Hannah Brown again, and had unresolved feelings for her at the end of January 2020? The week before they broke up? Interesting. He said last night there were many reasons why. But it ultimately sounds like Pete is a selfish, momma’s boy douchbag. That guy has no clue what he is doing. Wants Madison? Maybe. Hannah Brown? Maybe. Keep Hannah Ann on the hook? Sure, great back uo plan. Wow he sucks so hard.

    RUN MADISON RUN!!!!!!!

  19. dogmomma

    March 11, 2020 at 12:31 PM

    I agree with most of these posts. I don’t know if the rumors of Peter sleeping around the last 3 months is true, but if people come forward with evidence, then I hope Madison can move on and never look back. There are plenty of men out there who would love the chance to date her. I’m glad that Hannah Ann seemed to find closure on this. She came across much more mature than she did on the regular season. It goes to show that production portrays people the way they choose.

  20. thecuriousgeorgette

    March 11, 2020 at 12:51 PM

    Wow, is all I can say after seeing the finale. Barb really made me grate my teeth, though. Look, I get where she’s coming from. 100%. I see her concern. But the way she behaved on national television and the way she absolutely disrespected both Peter and Madison was just so disgusting to watch play out. It honestly makes me wish that Peter and Madison would absolutely work out, just out of spite for Barbara Weber, hahaha. Gah, good grief.
    And yes, don’t get me wrong, I feel for what Hannah Ann went through, but it was just so ridiculous seeing Peter’s mom act the way she did towards Madison. Hannah Ann is lucky to be rid of both Peter and his overbearing family. There’s loving your son and brother, and then there’s being downright controlling and condescending about them and their choices.

    As for Clare’s batch of men…I’m disappointed, honestly. I was *almost* looking forward to her season. Now it just looks like they aren’t giving her a real chance.

  21. jayvee99

    March 11, 2020 at 1:01 PM

    Pete picking Madison cones as no surprise. Look at his parents. His mother is clearly the strong one in the relationship while his dad seems nice but directed by Barb. Madi is strong and independent. I see the same dynamics repeating themselves (though Madi is nothing like Barb!!!). Clearly Barb is used to getting her way and doesn’t care if she hurts her son to get what she wants. Saying negative things about a girl right in front of you has nothing to do with editing and everything to do with your character.

  22. sullyisgreaterthanpete

    March 11, 2020 at 1:01 PM

    You‘ve literally trolled him on the last two posts. Stop reading the page if you hate him this much. You sound about as smart as Mykenna was this season. Sheesh.

  23. sagewells

    March 11, 2020 at 1:09 PM

    Oh, I don’t care about the 3 hours late thing. I work in TV, that is not the issue. I just think Madison could have gracefully ended this whole “feud” right then and there onstage, but just reaching out and saying that the whole thing was a misunderstanding and she really really wants to try and make things better with his family. Instead, she wouldn’t even look at them, like they were beneath her. Offering an olive branch is sometimes the best way to deal with an out fo control situation. Madison will probably give Peter another ultimatum…your family or me? It’s so sad.

  24. pdxkg

    March 11, 2020 at 1:11 PM

    The Bachelor franchise now has a huge problem on their hands. These women all had their eyes on the prize, and the prize was not Peter. They all acted like they wanted to be the next Bachelorette. There is now too much information about what goes on behind the scenes, the manipulation by the producers, and the onset of an artificial feeling of love for the bachelor/bachelorette. Knowing that the relationship will never last, I don’t know why any of these women would want to be in the final relationship.

    The “winner” does not get the most followers, nor the most opportunities, but the lead does. In my opinion, Maddison wanted to be The Bachelorette, and good for her. She waited till she was the final three to tell him how unsuited they were. She clearly had no feelings for Peter and dressed in a red dress for the final three ceremony. She looked shocked and not at all happy when he chose her and let Victoria go.

    Victoria and Kelsey also wore “Bachelorette” red dresses to the WTA. I am sure they wanted the Bachelorette gig too. I think these women are smart and see the franchise for what it is, not for a future husband, but for a future instagram career, and hopefully a television career.

    Madi and Peter have no future and the finale was clearly manipulated to give Peter his “happy ending”, although it was not very convincing. Maddison was never that into him. The show can blame the family for the break up, but still say their formula works – Peter found love.

    I thought both Madi and Hannah Ann were articulate and strong last night. Pete’s mum was sadly, produced, collateral damage. I would like to see Hannah Ann as the next Bachelorette, but hoping Clare’s season is more fun than Peter’s.

  25. mgb970

    March 11, 2020 at 1:29 PM

    ZERO context was given for the “she held us up for 3 hours” BS.

    None.

    Was it really 3 hours?

    Was it the producers?

    Was it a miscommunication?

    That’s just the crazy rant of a controlling, bitter, narcissistic, woman.

    … and Madi isn’t going to take the bait and explain a nothingburger. Like Madi said last night and proved it — she’s not going to say anything negative .

  26. ganny2jax

    March 11, 2020 at 1:57 PM

    How can you possibly resolve issues like that in front of millions of people on LIVE TV on the spot? Barb made a fool out of herself and her son (mostly herself). This close-knit, “loving” family just ripped the facade right off themselves. How could Madison ever feel comfortable around them??? It’s not her fault Peter is in love with her.

  27. ganny2jax

    March 11, 2020 at 2:01 PM

    Reality Steve is not God! While he doesn’t know it all, I’d bet my money on him any day.

  28. justsaying

    March 11, 2020 at 2:30 PM

    Just want to add, I recall Hannah B’s parents disapprove of Jed but they did it so elegantly and selflessly. They even showed receipts and all. See, parents can object but with authenticity.

  29. shenanigans

    March 11, 2020 at 2:33 PM

    My thoughts on ATFR: Everything that Barb said was true. She loves her son, loves Hannah Ann, and immediately knew that she was the woman who would do anything for Peter. Sadly, Barb also saw how selfish and aloof Madison can be – and that her Christian values are not aligned with Peter’s. As others have noted, this will NOT end well for them. That being said, it was a mistake for Barb to air their dirty laundry on national television. Long after Madison and Hannah Ann are gone, she will still be Peter’s mom – and she dealt a devastating blow to their mother/son relationship by speaking her mind last night.

    As far as Madison, I have mixed thoughts. There is nothing wrong with being a Christian or waiting for marriage, but it doesn’t make her better than anyone else. Just different. And, in THIS case, it makes her incompatible with Peter, who is extremely comfortable with his sexuallty. Barb saw that. She also saw the ways that Madison will use her faith (either consciously or unconsciously) to control her son. Hell, she is already doing it. Barb doesn’t want that for Peter. She also doesn’t want a self-centered daughter-in-law who will not compromise on anything.

    People don’t call Madison on that because it is all done under the cloak of religion and goodness. But, make no mistake about it. She is as controlling as hell. Consequently, I have a hard time believing that she and Peter will find happiness together.

  30. crushonspivey

    March 11, 2020 at 2:39 PM

    shenanigans, Madison is an amateur in levels of control compared to Barb. I mean, Barb still has her gainfully employed 28 year old son living under her roof. I bet after he brings a conquest home, she makes them pancakes!! She is the master controller here, and she does not wants her turf encroached on at all. No matter who Peter chooses, Barb is still there, and still a problem. No girl stands a chance. But especially not Madison. Weber family is toxic towards her. Simple as t hat.

  31. rob22

    March 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM

    As someone who has two sons, we’re very careful not to criticize any of their girlfriends. You never know who might end up being a daughter in law. If they’re terrible, say nothing and let nature take its course. If you raised them right, they’re not going to go off and marry a terrible person. AND… even if they are terrible, they’re going to bear your Grandchildren. If you ever want to see them, you better be on good terms with their Mom. That aside, why did Barb HATE Madison? Because she was 3 hours late? No. SHE wasn’t 3 hours late. Her son, Madison and production were 3 hours late. I’m so, so sorry that Barb was inconvenienced. Yeah, not really. And, she also said that Madison said she didn’t love Peter. After 2 months. Wow! How crazy is that? And add into that all this stuff that supposedly happened that wasn’t shown on TV. I’m so sure it’s really terrible since Barb and family didn’t bother to tell us what it is. Good God! If Peter had any balls he would have told his Mom that she was WAY out of line and was being incredibly rude. But, of course, he didn’t do that. He’s a 28 year old child who’s afraid to call out Mommy. And I’m really bummed that Barb rallied the troops, including her 25 year old son to defend her point of view. Barb is a monster. She’s a narcissist. None of the vitriol she’s getting will bother her. She wants what she wants and cares very little about what anyone else things. Like many have said… Madison RUN! RUN VERY VERY FAST. I’m sure this will be over in a hot minute.

  32. amber137

    March 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM

    Reality Steve, did you receive an intel on the “contacting Hannah B” storyline or what that a shock to you too?

  33. justsaying

    March 11, 2020 at 3:17 PM

    amber137, I was listening to Rachel and Becca with Hannah Ann. Hannah Ann said during the episode Hannah B was on, Pete told Hannah Ann he wanted to reach out to her for closure. But he never did. Hannah Ann was confused by the thought that he still needed closure with Hannah B.

  34. shenanigans

    March 11, 2020 at 3:31 PM

    Crushedonspivey, Barb is definitely a controlling mom. But, that doesn’t mean that she is wrong about Madison. The person who is most religious and most restrictive about sex automatically controls certain aspects of the relationship, which can be hard on their partner. At first, they enjoy the thrill of the chase and the satisfaction of winning the person over. However, if often leads to resentment down the road because the rules and expectations never go away. It can be hard if both people share those values. However, if they don’t, it will be a disaster.

    Rob22, I don’t think that Barb is a monster for speaking her mind. She clearly saw which woman was into her son and willing to make it work and that wasn’t Madison. But, once again, I hate that she decided to have that conversation on national television. It was something that should have been discussed privately and in a completely different tone.

    As far as dealing with your children’s love interests, I see your point about staying out of it and letting them make their own decisions. However, I have seen MANY cases when the person was making a terrible mistake, had doubts about it, and could have benefited from wise counsel, if it was presented in a constructive manner. As a result, I would approach that sort of thing strictly on a case-by-case basis.

  35. justsaying

    March 11, 2020 at 3:32 PM

    Shenanigans, Madison’s decision does include her saving herself therefore, that’s all she’s controlling with Peter. Peter can always walk away from this clause but he supposedly is fine with this.

    I’m sure he’ll be allowed to still eat all that meat, go line-dancing and drink and hang out with his friends. Of course he can’t be intimate with other ladies if he wants to be with Madison (or with any girlfriend for that matter.)

  36. speedy44

    March 11, 2020 at 3:49 PM

    Never seen anything like that. Barb is horrible. No two ways about it. Complaining about the 3 hr wait when Maddie prob had no control over that?! I never seen such venom and such immaturity from a woman her age. I thought the whole family sucks to put it bluntly.

    I did kinda want Maddie to stick around just out of spite to Peter’s family. But it’s prob best just to move on. She’s too good for that trash. I haven’t gotten this angry about a reality show in a while. Barb telling her hubby to back her up was just icing on the cake.

  37. jp22

    March 11, 2020 at 3:55 PM

    I really do not like to watch a season without the spoiler. If this season had been spoiled I probably would have quit midway. I won’t watch a unspoiled season at all in the future. No point in watching if the contestant you don’t want wins. No fun.

  38. justsaying

    March 11, 2020 at 4:21 PM

    Exactly rob22.

    It’s not like Madison has a boyfriend who’s she hid from Peter or she’s violent and abusive.

  39. jlal

    March 11, 2020 at 5:00 PM

    That was a total fuster cluck.

  40. kata20

    March 11, 2020 at 5:03 PM

    So there was an engagement in Australia after all!
    Proud of Hannah Ann for calling out Peter and acting decisive as she handed him back the ring, dumped him and left. She looked really good on stage. Left lot of us wondering, why she is not the bachelorette?

    Peter’s mom was relentless and cruel. Not a fan of her.

    Think Madi was brought in just for appearance, think it was for show, Peter is not ready for commitment, has lot of growing up to do, away from home preferably.

  41. lallia

    March 11, 2020 at 5:08 PM

    Agree completely! You said it so well! Barb seems like a narcissist.

  42. lallia

    March 11, 2020 at 5:12 PM

    Exactly! The crying as manipulation is emotional incest. Crippling for men, he needs therapy. Remember when Peter said to mother “stop you’re killing me” when she cried on another episode.

  43. lallia

    March 11, 2020 at 5:18 PM

    I thought this too, that he was attracted to a strong woman with her own opinions because of his mother. But yes mom doesn’t respect others rights to be their own person while madison does.

  44. jenscho

    March 11, 2020 at 5:46 PM

    Yes! I agree with everything you said.

  45. conroy22

    March 11, 2020 at 6:03 PM

    Peter’s mother is in serious need of medication. What a whack job. Her interference in her son’s life is beyond over the top.

  46. taran35805

    March 11, 2020 at 8:48 PM

    Barb was rolling her eyes at Peter more than anyone else. She is very disappointed with his behavior and I really think her actions were some sort of distraction tactic to take the heat off the backlash he will get when he effed over 2 of the sweetly portrayed innocent hearts. She must know the cheating/philandering reputation he will end with and probably hoped to distract the viewers. I think it worked because few are concerned about what he had been doing for the last 3 months or more importantly what he will inevitably do in the next few months. I doubt she realized how much hate she would get, but I am sure for her it is worth it that Peter isn’t getting the hate he deserved.

  47. jeepers

    March 11, 2020 at 9:05 PM

    Then please, by all means, head out and dont come back on his site or follow him. If you have this much vitriol towards him, stay away from it. Dont make yourself unhappy and cranky by coming here. RS did his best with a dumpster fire of a season. He’s got my vote!

  48. dogmomma

    March 12, 2020 at 5:52 PM

    Something is off with the statement that Peter has been screwing around for the last 3 months. His season ended in late November, and he was engaged to Hannah Ann until the end of January. So it’s only been a month and a half since he’s actually been single. And it seems unlikely that he would be out screwing women while he was engaged because if it got out, he’d be in trouble with ABC for messing up the ending. So not sure if he started running around with women after they broke up in late January, but a few weeks later he had the meeting with Madison. It would be pretty bold if he was actually trying to get her back if he was sleeping around because it would undoubtedly get out because someone would come forward knowing they would get attention from it. I keep seeing people making comments about this but it doesn’t seem very probable. He was still under contract and had everything to lose. If it’s true, then he is a total moron and this will blow up in his face soon enough.

  49. jlal

    March 13, 2020 at 5:56 AM

    dogmomma, I agree with you. I too doubted the truth of those rumors for the same reasons you listed.

    I did see where he announced the break up with Madi yesterday, no surprise there.

  50. shenanigans

    March 13, 2020 at 6:48 AM

    Well, it’s official. Peter and Madison have broken up, which means that Barb was right about their future together.

    I still wish that she hadn’t aired their dirty laundry in public. However, she was 100% right about her son and this woman.

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