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The “Bachelorette” Hannah – Finale Part 1 Recap, Tonight’s Doozy, & the Return of the “He Said, She Said” Podcast with Ashley Spivey

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We all know the main attraction is tonight and nothing you saw last night should’ve been the least bit surprising. First up was the Peter breakup along with him on the couch still sad by the breakup as his family watched on. Kinda weird for the final 3’s family to be sitting in the audience, however, they all live close to the studio in LA, so that could’ve had something to do with it. If Peter was from, say, any other state than CA, I’m guessing they wouldn’t have been flown in. But they’re local, so I guess that helped in that decision to have them there. Of course, once Peter had his couple segments on the stage the predictable chatter began of, “Oh, well that was totally his Bachelor audition. It’s obvious it’s him.” Wait, I thought last week was Mike’s Bachelor audition and it was obvious it was him? Same thing, different season. The newest dumpee is the one that people claim will be the new “Bachelor.” We don’t know. No one knows. The announcement isn’t coming tonight. They haven’t announced the next “Bachelor” on the ATFR in 6 years. It’ll be announced in another month towards the end of BIP airing. We know who the candidates are. No one’s been chosen yet, no one’s been guaranteed anything yet, and no one’s been told they are the “Bachelor.” Just remember that until the announcement is made.

Yessss!!! We’ve finally returned. Episode #20 of the “He Said, She Said” podcast with Ashley Spivey is now up. First one we’ve done in 2 months and it’s a good one. You can listen to today’s podcast on a number of platforms, but you can also tune in by clicking the player below:


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Music written by Kate Bass

Our first caller, Anne in Montana, tells a story of a horrible Human Resources nightmare that she’s dealing with at work (3:38). Then Laura Anderson, a licensed psychotherapist who specializes in domestic violence, joins us to discuss Mandy in Philadelphia’s call from last Thursday’s podcast, as well as discussing Luke P. this season (33:31). Original theme music provided by Kate Bass and the song is titled “Blink.”

It was great to have an actual licensed professional on the show to give their input of what they heard in Thursday’s call. Ashley and I are not professionals, nor do we ever claim to be. We’re just a outlet for people to share their stories. I think Laura really does a good job in breaking down Mandy’s call and what she’s dealing with. Laura’s website is: www.lauraandersontherapy.com. Also, Laura has just written a 100 page manual on domestic violence that she’s willing to give out free to anyone who’s interested. Just go to her site, email her, say you heard her on the podcast, and she’ll send one out to you. Whether you’re in an abusive relationship yourself, or know someone who is, this manual can no doubt come in handy.

Don’t forget your “Bachelor in Paradise” episode-by-episode spoilers were posted last week. I remind you of this because I’m still getting people asking me, “Is Peter on Paradise?” and “What about Luke?” So yeah, it’s all in there. All your incoming dates, your eliminations, who made it to the end, who got engaged, etc. All there. Go read it, enjoy it, and then watch as the fun begins next Monday night. Remember, Paradise airs every Mon & Tues night for 6 weeks.

Ali Manno (Fedotowsky) and Rachel Lindsay having a podcast that’s dropping tomorrow. Demi and Peter will be there first guests on it. I know that Peter will address the Calee situation on their podcast, so, I’m sure I’ll have something from Calee on Thursday as well. Everyone’s doing podcasts now. It’s what people do. I worry about mine and let others do theirs. Like, I have zero opinion on Ali and Rachel doing a podcast together. Good for them. Doesn’t have anything to do with me, so I’m not interested in talking about it. You know what I’ve done for 2 ½ years with my podcast you’ll know after a few weeks what they’ll do with theirs. It’s whatever. But of course I will address what Peter says since it’ll be his first statements about Calee since her story broke. Ali and Rachel will definitely ask him about it and I’m sure Peter will definitely answer. And then Calee will respond accordingly if need be.

Ratings are in and beginning to sound like a broken record here, but the “Bachelorette” had it’s highest episode of the season with 7.1 million viewers (600,000 more than any previous episode this season), and a 1.9 rating. And tonight will absolutely beat last night’s rating since this is the big finish. Just remember, Hannah’s premiere episode did 4.67 million viewers and a 1.3 rating. They’ve gained 2.5 million viewers over the course of the season and their rating has gone up almost 50% (did I do the math right there?). I’m gonna look tonight and see if ANY past season had that big of a spike in total viewers from first to last episode. That’s a huge jump. So yeah, the moaning and bitching and whining all season about Hannah or the Luke P show falls on deaf ears. No one cares. The show is drawing huge numbers.

I knew by doing last Thursday’s podcast, if it could help one person out there then we were doing our jobs. Page 2 of today’s column has just some of the responses that it garnered, and to say I was blown away would be an understatement. Always good when you see people responding in a positive way to what you’ve done. So check those out on Page 2. The recap will begin on Page 3…

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19 Comments

19 Comments

  1. crushonspivey

    July 30, 2019 at 9:41 AM

    Seeing the ratings go up actually makes me sad. Means that the train wreck lead, and plane crash guy led to more viewers. People want to see all the dysfunction for entertainment.

    Maybe Mike Fleiss can be the next lead. Based on the previous statement, he’d be perfect.

  2. justsaying

    July 30, 2019 at 10:09 AM

    Peter is fake, fake, fake! The moment Hannah dumped him, you can tell he’s rejoicing internally that he’ll be the next bachelor. His forced limo tears and his phony “sadness” with Chris Harrison.

    Ladies, you know and I know why we dump guys right after sleeping with them, right?? Wink, wink

  3. loca4linda2

    July 30, 2019 at 10:35 AM

    Did anyonehappen to see Coltons Instagram with the comment that a Pilot would make a great bachelor?? Hint Hint. Kudos to the fan that responded and mentioned Jake Pavelka was one and he was far from “good”.

  4. joanne

    July 30, 2019 at 10:47 AM

    I can’t be the only one who thinks there is a double standard here. She (correctly) complains that Jed wasn’t ready for an engagement, but what about her? She had at least four hook ups with Peter, and seemed genuinely heartbroken saying goodbye to him.

    And while Tyler said there was no sex in the fantasy suite, there very well could have been other times. The two had amazing chemistry, and we saw it right up to the end in their final evening together. That last scene of them in his hotel room was hot. He seemed genuinely sincere in sharing his feelings for her, and she admitted she was falling in love with him.

    Meanwhile with Jed, she seemed depressed, and they shared nothing but short kisses. Zero chemistry, and Jed just appeared to be reading lines from a script. No emotion, nothing.

    And in the end it’s Jed she gets engaged to, the guy she had the LEAST chemistry with and the least in common.

    Yet it was only Jed who was not ready for an engagement? The whole thing is ridiculous.

    While I liked Hannah a lot in the earlier stages, she now comes across to be as narcissistic and clearly not ready to settle down with anyone.

  5. justsaying

    July 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM

    Hannah’s heartbroken dumping Peter because she didn’t achieve her happy-ending in the windmill even after 4-times! That’ll bring any lady to tears.

  6. keddo

    July 30, 2019 at 12:39 PM

    Assuming Luke P was watching, I hope he sees that she is definitely not the girl for him, allowing him to get over her.

    How can Peter’s parents seem to be so happy about the fantasy suite sex talk? It’s just weird for Hannah to talk about this in front of his parents, especially after dumping him.

  7. rob22

    July 30, 2019 at 1:24 PM

    I agree with the poster who noted that Jed showed no emotion. Didn’t smile. Seemed totally disinterested in being there. How the heck did he get picked after her parents hated him and after mailing in his last day with Hannah? I guess maybe we just got the negative stuff? But Jed has been like that a lot. I’m dumbfounded how he even got to the overnights. He should have been gone long ago.

    The creepiness factor was pretty high when Peter’s parents were cheering on Peter’s 4-pete in the Windmill. As a parent, I would be horrified. What the hell is wrong with them?! With parents like that, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. They certainly didn’t reflect well on Peter’s values.

    Sorry to say, I do love a good train wreck. Last night was completely boring, but I expect some good fireworks tonight. Hannah hasn’t been shy about trashing people on the show. I expect that Jed is going to get it right between the eyes. But I have to be fair. Hannah’s poor decision making has been on display all season. Especially with the Luke P thing and keeping him around so long and dumping guys who could have been in the mix. Then picking Jed despite the obvious red flags and her parents disliking the guy. I mean, she really caused all the drama with her bad decisions. It’s not like everything was perfect, her parents loved Jed and it all ended in romantic bliss. This was totally predictable. Hannah is not a victim in all this, despite her sometimes acting like it (and sometimes being aware of the fact that she made some bad decisions). I really hope she takes ownership for her outsized role in how this season went down. There are a lot of learnings for her. I suspect her history has been always picking the wrong guys and that was on full display this season.

  8. kdtx

    July 30, 2019 at 1:59 PM

    When the guys met Hannah’s family, Hannah said they’d be meeting her mother and father. Who where the other two people with Hannah’s family? I never saw them identified.

    As others have pointed out, Jed has always seemed flat, like he’s a bad actor reading a script. No emotions. How did Hannah not pick up on that? With Luke, she pulled teeth to get him to have an honest reaction.

    Hannah’s family harped on Jed’s lack of income (maybe due to the edit) and it seemed to be an honest opinion. Money isn’t everything, but being able to make a living is important. I was glad to see that aspect acknowledged instead of a family glossing over an important part of a relationship.

  9. dogmomma

    July 30, 2019 at 2:03 PM

    I’m still shaking my head about Jed’s big breakthrough in the music industry– he wrote a jingle for a dog food commercial??????? I think the guy is a joke. He is one of many who aspires to be famous, and since he isn’t a good musician he decides to go on a reality show to bring him fame. I hope it backfires on him tonight so that future aspiring musicians will think twice about doing a reality show unless it’s a singing competition. I’m still in disbelief that she picked him out of all the guys.

  10. all4one

    July 30, 2019 at 2:25 PM

    I can’t help but wonder if it were “The Bachelor ” and the lead was talking about the girl he just sent home and the 4 times in the windmill how different the reactions would be.

  11. mandirae713

    July 30, 2019 at 2:25 PM

    @rob22 I have to disagree with you on your opinion of Peter’s parents regarding sex. Mature adults, including parents with their adult children should be able to discuss sex in a relationship. That does not make them bad parents and it certainly doesn’t make them creepy. To say the apple doesn’t fall from tree is just ignorance. So you obviously don’t have a that kind of relationship with your parents, but many other people do. Not trying to start a comment war back in forth, just want you to know there are many parent/child relationships out there were you can discuss those feelings. Hell, I know my mom and I sure do and I wouldn’t have it any other way!

  12. justsaying

    July 30, 2019 at 2:41 PM

    @rob22 Peter’s parents were auditioning too for his Bachelor role. They act all supportive (even over the windmill situation, that’s how desperate they are) and I don’t buy his mom’s phony spiel about how she feels more hurt and heartbroken blah blah blah. She’s reading from some lousy script. Indeed, Hannah’s made her own bed but at least, she did end things with the toxic men.

    @kdtx I am glad Hannah’s parents questioned Jed’s income too and that aspect was finally acknowledge on national tv. I have questioned most of the bachelor/ettes contestants source of income for many years and the parents never friggin talk or ask about it!

    I am resentful that Chris H or Hannah didn’t confront Peter regarding the ex-gf coming forward. I guess they are grooming him to be the next Bachelor. Sigh.. Don’t tell me Chris H or Hannah will gloss over Jed’s ex-gf’s expose too. That would be TOTALLY disappointing.

  13. justsaying

    July 30, 2019 at 2:58 PM

    @all4one I agree with you. Although Kaitlyn and Andi too got a lot of grief on their seasons.

    @mandirae713 I believe @rob22 was referring to how public the whole reveal was. Telling everyone how many times they did it on national tv, you have to admit, is out of the norm.

  14. adelina

    July 30, 2019 at 3:30 PM

    I thought Peter’s parents were so cringe-y last night. From his weepy Mom blowing him kisses to the fist pumping over the number of times he had sex. I don’t care how “current” you are – I have three kids in their 20’s and the parents behavior was embarrassing. Peter’s Mom acted like her boy just got released from a POW camp. No one wants to see their kid go through heartbreak but that was just too much.

    I really don’t want Peter for Bachelor. I think he’s in love with love and certainly nothing to look at.

    I really want Mike for Bach. I’d settle for Tyler because he’s so good looking but his personality just plays to the cameras and he’s not exactly a Mensa member.

    I also wish Hannah would just admit she’s happily single and realizes she needs to stay that way for awhile since clearly her picker is off.

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    July 31, 2019 at 6:32 AM

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  16. dogmomma

    July 31, 2019 at 6:34 AM

    After watching the final episode, I’m so glad that Jed had to face his poor decisions with having a girlfriend when he started the show. He almost seemed drugged……. void of emotion and stumbling around to answer questions about Haley. Thank goodness she found out and it’over between them. Hoping that she can get to know Tyler in the normal dating world and that they can date and see if they want a serious relationship down the road. I hope they take their time getting to know each other, which seems like what Colton and Cassie are doing.

  17. safetyprincess

    July 31, 2019 at 7:00 AM

    @adelina Tyler’s not exactly a Mensa member? Maybe not, but he does have his MBA. Sometimes people can be hot and smart.

  18. ctrealitygirl

    July 31, 2019 at 7:03 AM

    I’m wondering what everyone thinks about Tyler agreeing to go on a date with Hannah. I watched a clip from her Jimmy Kimmel interview and when he asked Hannah if she regretted not picking Tyler from the git-go, she made a face, then stumbled to try to describe how she felt, which basically amounted to “I have feelings for him.” I’m thinking she just wants to come out of the experience with something/someone. I’m not sure they can make a go of a relationship, and he could be ruining his chances of being named bachelor. Hannah also commented about not feeling comfortable with any of her “ex boyfriends” as the next bachelor…so thinking she might want to sabotage Tyler. After all the drama she experienced at the end between Luke and Jed, I really don’t think she’s ready to jump into any new relationship. I so LOVE Tyler and hate to see him hurt a second time by her. I’m wondering if production urged her to ask him out?? Also, after hearing Hannah bragging about “f-ing” in the windmill four times with Peter, and all her gushing over Jed in the proposal…why would he want her back???

  19. jlal

    July 31, 2019 at 10:29 AM

    First off – I have never seen Tyler acting stupid. What is with this Tyler is not being too bright stuff? He has an MBA (which I have and it is not a cake walk), from what I’ve read, a successful contracting business, plus models on the side. He took care of his Dad’s business when he was sick too. I just don’t get where that is coming from. Did I miss something? A smart, educated, hard working man who has tools and knows how to use them, is good looking enough to model, and loves and takes care of his family – deal me in!

    Jed’s defense that he wasn’t serious with Haley, because he was screwing around with other girls was a crack up. The look on Hannah’s face was priceless. That dude is the not too bright one. Jed is a total player who got exposed.

    Hannah obviously needs some maturity before picking a life partner.

    Tyler way didn’t seem interested in dating Hannah, but couldn’t say no either. Doubt that will go anywhere on both their parts. She already told him she loved someone else (which means she doesn’t love him), and you can’t take that back. Even if that someone else turned out to be a rat. They did that so there was some type of happy ending.

    I also didn’t think Peter seemed upset at all. He was way planning on being the bachelor. As for the sex talk. It has never been my thing to discuss my personal sex life, even with girlfriends and sisters. I just don’t do it, and have regretted it the few time I did. However, I understand other do and it was funny. Mom was over playing her part a bit though.

    To bachelor nation – Please retire the word “Clarity” for the love of all things holy. Use certainty, lucidity, clearness, confidence, surety, whatever just not clarity.

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