Steve,
Not sure how much you know about production of a show, but I was curious to find out Warner Brothers is “producing” (not sure if that’s the right word to use) the show. I assumed WB is a competitor to ABC, as I believe the CW the former WB is still owned by WB. Does ABC not have the production team to film their shows? Or how does that work ABC vs WB when it comes to putting together a show? Do other networks do the same? Is this making sense? I think you’re thinking of the WB network. The production company that produces the Bachelor is NZK Productions. I’m not sure exactly how all it works, but Warner Bros is the parent company I believe.
Love the podcasts, they are my favorite to listen to on my car drives. One of your original podcasts you had brought on some fans to talk bachelor, any chance of doing that again?
Comment: It’s possible I’ll do that in the future. But as of now, I’m reserving that for the “He Said, She Said” podcast where we take calls from listeners.
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Hi,
So I’ve been thinking (and reading) a lot about the BIP “scandal” and just want to give my support to both parties. We will never really know what happened, regardless of what either party states publicly. While I do not believe Raven or Jasmine are lying when they say they believed Corrine to be coherent, aggressive etc… I will say that “black out drunk” is not always what it seems like. I personally had 1 experience where I did not remember most of my night and the next morning when I woke up I asked my date what happened because I truly couldn’t remember. He thought I was joking and when I assured him I really didn’t remember he filled me in. According to him I never acted odd or unable to make decisions (and my friends agreed) – similar to how Raven and Jasmine talk about Corrine – and was truly shocked that I had no idea how we got back to our room or when we left my friends room. I literally could not remember any details he was talking about – even to this day! Luckily we didn’t do anything other than kiss (I know how high school of us), but had we done more he wouldn’t have thought I was not making a sound decision. Alcohol is very tricky and it doesn’t matter what has/hasn’t happened before anything is possible. I really appreciated the article that Evan wrote as he made many great points. I hope Corrine can find closure from this and that Demario can also find peace from this terrible situation. I think the only problem with that when it comes to Corinne is that if we are to believe DeMarios (and Jasmine and Raven for that matter), their hookup was discussed the next morning and Corinne never brought up that point. That’s where the issue lies as of now.
On a side note, I absolutely love the podcasts and literally count the seconds until the next one. Every interview has been so good! I also loved the one you did on Olivia’s podcast. Thanks. There might be more on Olivia’s podcast in the future.
Now that Carly and Evan are married will you/did you buy something from their registry? Can’t remember if you said you do it for BIP couples.
Wishing you continued success!
Comment: No. I only do it for “Bachelor/ette” couples.
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Hey Steve!
After this weeks episode i think Dean just became the front runner for Bachelor! Do you think that even if he found love in Paradise, that the producers would still offer him the role of Bachelor if that’s what the fans really wanted? Maybe pull a Nick and dump her on the last day? Or do you think that eventually Peter will win the fans hearts and he will be the next one?
Comment: I do not think Dean will be the next “Bachelor.” I don’t see it at all. My guess is it will be Peter.
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First, the light-hearted:
Jojo is flipping a house. You lost that bet. Pay up! Lol.
Also, Kaitlyn has some random comments in a couple of posts/interviews that make me think that she and Shawn are the ones who don’t want to do an ABC wedding. She posted that they almost got married when they went to Hawaii last year and really wanted to do it but they weren’t allowed to get married because ABC still owns the rights to their wedding until a certain amount of time after the show? So they’re waiting to get married until it can be on their terms I think. Just an observation. I think she’s doing a classy version of Juan Pablo’s “I’m not going to give you what you want because you screwed me over” kinda thing. Well, she certainly makes it seem like they’d do one with comments she’s made in the past. Including this most recent one:
ME TOO, when's ours? https://t.co/6NCZ5oqMCH
— Kaitlyn Bristowe (@kaitlynbristowe) June 18, 2017
Regarding the BIP drama…
Nick’s girls have been a LOT more vocal online on defense of Demario in the last two days. It’s honestly been very refreshing. I was in agreement with you about the Corinne/Taylor issues on Nick’s season, and felt all your observations were very mature and astute. Yet, social media ran to the defense of Corinne. It really surprised me on the one hand, but on the other one, it didn’t. Millennials truly scare me sometimes and I hope and pray some of them will wake up and see the light of day and become mature contributors to society. Anyway, if it shocked me that they came to Corinne’s defense on the season, it shocks me even more now. When umpteen first hand witnesses give actual facts of what they observed, and people STILL believe something else, I’m just so confused. What else would they defend her for? It’s honestly scary. I’m a woman, and I’m the modern feminist-ruled world, I feel women have gone too far sometimes. You don’t get the equality you want by attacking men. You shouldnt build yourself up by tearing men down. You want “equality” at what cost?
Comment: That’s why social media has been the greatest and worst invention all at the same time.
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Hi Steve! I know this email won’t make it until next weeks bach of reader emails! As I was reading today’s reader emails I came across the one with the reader from Boston addressing the Kaitlin and Shawn interview! I am also from Boston and missed it so went back and watched the Facebook live interview. Wow it was really awkward!
I enjoy Kaitlin and Shawn they are hilarious on Snapchat. However, I was taken back with them a little in this interview. If they didn’t want to talk about Nick then they should have addressed that before the interview started. Since they didn’t when it was brought up they could have simply said we rather not talk about that. It’s not like this was a secret that was leaked it was a story line on the show so naturally people may ask about it! I just found it silly how mad they got! If you want to watch/listen I shared the links. I included the Facebook live interview as well as the interview of Matty addressing what happened. I figured your readers may be interested in this as well. I’d love to hear your opinion on this also! Thanks for your time! Have a great day:)
http://kiss108.iheart.com/media/play/27767287/#.WUqvy7_e7kA.mailto
https://www.facebook.com/73860784926/videos/10155128584529927
Comment: Being out of town last weekend, I still haven’t gotten around to watching this. But if you say it was awkward, like the person last week did, I’ll take your words for it.
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Hi Steve!
1) Have any contestants reached out to you (as opposed to you asking them) to be on your podcasts? Would you ever turn anyone away? No one has asked me to be on. But if they did, I can pretty much guarantee I wouldn’t put them on. If I want you on the podcast, I’ll ask. The other way around seems like you’re begging.
2) Would you ever consider having a past producer/cameraman/staff member from the franchise on as a guest?
Comment: I’ve thought about it. Might be tough though.
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You mentioned in your latest blog post that filming will resume immediately and pretty much everyone is being flown back to Mexico. There have even been pictures of cast members on the airplane. My question is how are so many of these cast members still so active on social media several days after the announcement filming is resuming. Several are still tweeting, liking/posting and commenting on IG and even doing podcasts and interviews. I don’t know how the social media is working now. I don’t know which ones you’re talking about, but there are a lot of that have gone social media silent.
Also I wanted to say I love your podcast! I started watching around Ashley’s season, but I have found myself looking up cast members you have interviewed before her season and following them. Thanks again!
Comment: Thanks. Got some good ones coming up. Tomorrow with DeAnna is really good. She holds nothing back.
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Hi Steve,
Sometimes I read your spoilers ahead of a Bachelor season and sometimes I like to watch spoiler-free. Problem is, if I want to watch spoiler free, I can’t read any of your articles/recaps because they usually contain spoilers. Any chance you would make your recaps spoiler free? Or maybe just put any spoilers at the very end?
Comment: No, only because it’s practically impossible to spoil everything for everyone before the season, then pretend I don’t know what happens in my recaps. I know other sites and shows do that, but that’s just not me.
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Hi Steve!
Do you know if something is going on with Peter from Rachel’s season and Jen Saviano? I noticed they are liking each other’s Instagram pics… one of them is of her in a bikini no less haha.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was interested in her because I saw a pic of his ex, who looks just like Andi. And he said in his old FB post about auditioning for the show that he thought Andi was cute. And now here we are with Jen, who’s also a spitting image of Andi and his ex. At least we know he has a type!
Comment: I think you’re reading into things too much. Likes on social media don’t mean a whole hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things. I’ve been told Peter has liked stuff that Rachel has posted and even other things people have posted about how great him and Rachel are, and they aren’t together. So ultimately it doesn’t matter. And he isn’t the only final two person to do that either. I feel like we hear that every season.
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Hi Steve,
I have a question about Kaitlyn and Shawn. I know you always say that you don’t believe a couple from The Bachelor/Bachelorette is going to get married until they actually do. But I was wondering if you’ve heard anything about Kaitlyn and Shawn’s relationship that indicates they will NOT last?
Comment: Not really. But anything can happen at any minute with any of these couples because we don’t really know what’s going on in their lives.
rob22
June 28, 2017 at 9:02 AM
One emailer was bashing millennials for their dumb social media behavior. Look, can we get over the generation bashing? I’m a Baby Boomer, and we heard essentially the same things when we were in our early 20s. Baby Boomers were self-absorbed, didn’t have morals and were overall immature bums. Then the Gen-Xers had their time in the barrel. They were additionally labelled “lazy”. Now the millennials.
Look the issue isn’t the generation. It’s their age. Early 20s people aren’t generally known for their maturity. They are known for over-partying, being self absorbed, and bad decision making. But guess what? They’ll grow up and mature, then the next generation will take their turn getting bashed.
I’m seeing some voices out there saying that Millennials are really awesome for the social consciousness, especially their willingness to help others. Some companies are adopting social awareness programs to help better engage millennials and attract them to their workforce. Bottom line: there’s always more hope with the younger generations to be better than the ones that came before them.
As a Baby Boomer, I don’t see any way that we can bash other generations. We were the self absorbed hippies, the self absorbed “greed is good” generation during the 90s, and still managed to morph into self absorbed grumpy old “get off my lawn” people currently.
But, of course, that’s a huge generalization. It’s not really any better to bash the boomers vs. the millennials. We’re all individuals and we’re all responsible for our own behavior. But let’s stop bashing the millennials OK? They’re fine. They’re just young. Fun fact: did you know that millennials now make up half of our work force?
biscuit
June 28, 2017 at 10:28 AM
regarding BIP, I felt bad for DeMario having the stigma of being assaulting a woman when both parties were reported as being drunk. I could not understand why one party was held to a higher standard of responsibility when they were in the same condition. Corrine crying “victim” floored me. But just as how Corrine’s statements bothered me, I also have issue with DeMario. He is focusing solely on the “label” he received. Yes, it was unjust and damaging. But neither he nor Corrine are addressing their core actions, choices, and debauchery that got them in the situation in the 1st place. Forget about whether this was consensual…
Just because unlimited alcohol is at your disposal 24-7 does not mean you have to consume to where you lose control. just as they supply alcohol, I’m sure they also supply soft drinks and water. you can “choose” to consume that. they are not ignorant to the cause and effect of consumption of too much alcohol. now mind you, even though they were toasted, I believe they were fully aware of what they were doing. yes, alcohol will loosen you up and will take control over you, but we all know that, so why place yourself in that position. if you choose to consume in that manner, then take responsibility of the outcome.
then to go further, what type of person has no problem of publicizing their sexual acts. we already knew Corrine was proud of her public actions from her time with nick on The Bachelor. but to hear demario’s interviews and how his parents were troubled because of the accusations. Again, yes the accusations were serious and damaging. But why were you even in the position for this to be a possibility? My parents would have been on ME for thinking it was ok to have sex with a person I just met, do it in such a public fashion (cast & crew present), and call for cameras to record the act. Demario said he made sure cameras were there. And he’s proud of that?
There are times when trouble comes our way, not because of any wrongdoing we have done, but just because. That’s not the case here. They both consciously made decisions to “go all out” as he states. They both decided to consume a substance they KNOW causes inhibitions. I’m not even sure if you can blame it on the a-a-a-a-alcohol. To hear them both talk, they do not seem to even feel shame for what they did. That says to me you could/would do this even without drinking. The problem did not arise until a complaint was made and the snowball effect of the complaint.
I know the affect drugs have on a person. Everyone has seen and/or heard of horror stories of things persons have done while on cocaine, meth or whatever drug of choice. If you know this and still choose to consume, then assume responsibility of the consequences. Same as if I choose to partake in a criminal activity, I should assume punishment and consequences. If I choose to consume alcohol to the extent of it controlling me, assume the responsibility of all that follows. there is no way anyone is a victim, regardless of their claim, especially if you did the exact same thing months prior on another show. let’s give someone the benefit of a doubt they had never been drunk and something happened. then if you see footage of your actions and you receive revelation of the effects, if there’s any remorse, I would think one would opt not to make that “mistake” again. if Corrine had any shame for what she did with nick, or even the edit, then she wouldn’t allow herself to be a “victim” as she states.
LM111
June 28, 2017 at 11:05 AM
I don’t know if it’s just me, but whenever I see Dean, all I see if Farmer Chris Soules. Anyone else see that? I can’t get over it and for that reason, I’ll be bummed if he becomes the next bachelor.
Also, I can barely tell Jack Stone and Bryan apart (to me, Jack is the better looking version of the two). I’m not into Bryan at all. Don’t really know why, just not my type. My pick would be Peter hands down!! Hope he’s the next Bachelor!!!
tbta4
June 28, 2017 at 11:09 AM
Amen Biscuit. As the mother of a 26 year old, I was thinking how embarrassed I would be to know my son thought public sex and general f***ery was a way to “own” BIP. Plus the delusion that this behavior would be an opportunity for redemption. Wow, just wow.
marcommom
June 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM
Following up on the BIP comments – I find this entire episode fascinating from legal, ethical and entertainment industry standpoints. The positioning is like a game of chess, the strategies that are being employed – legal, PR – are really interesting to behold.
All that being said, though, and I’ve said it before – I still maintain a gut feeling that this is and has been shameless opportunism on the part of the Olympios side. I am not emotionally invested, just as Steve claims not to be invested in the shows’ outcomes, etc – but honestly I’d rather watch this scenario devolve vs politics. I’m ready to be proven wrong – but this was the girl/camp who came into The Bachelor seeking to make a name for herself by acting promiscuously, coming up with (scripted?) one=liners that she is now trying to parlay into some clothing line and to become an overnight sensation (ha). Whether she is simply regretful she behaved this way because she has a boyfriend, or if she is trying to cash in, I see her as a strategist, not a victim.
I’m not slut shaming, I’m basing my opinion on her past behavior and opportunism. I’m very interested to see how this all plays out. I do hope this girl gets her head on straight – in many areas – and lives a happy life OUT of the spotlight she desperately craves. It’s not the place for her.
crushonspivey
June 28, 2017 at 11:43 AM
tbta4, they cast DeMario exactly because that was his outlook about BIP. They want it trashy. And they want him hooking up with Corinne or whoever. And chances are great a producer got in Corinne’s ear and told her to go for it with DeMario in the first place, then to move on to other guys as well. Their job is to get contestants to do crazy stuff.
Big money says it was Elan who kicked DeMario off. Elan is the guy this franchise needs to think about replacing. He has let the crap get out of control. First Kenny and Lee, and then BIP. He sets the tone, he pushes the producers to handle their contestants. He is Fleiss on site right hand man for getting things to get crazy.
Poor DeMario. Dude got wronged.
instigator911
June 28, 2017 at 11:59 AM
Excessive Consumption of alcohol can make you do stupid things – i.e., get a DUI, say something stupid, act stupid, have sex with someone you wouldn’t choose when sober.
The only good that could come of this would be for DeMario and Corinne to do a PSA on the dangers of alcohol.
tamz171926
June 28, 2017 at 12:19 PM
Well said, Biscuit!
deana
June 28, 2017 at 1:55 PM
I personally think it was extremely disrespectful for the Matty radio to bring up Nick after freakin 2 years plus I remember Shawn snapped about the radio interview. The interviewer started the interview by saying they are fake people with a fake relationship. I think people forget they are real people not a character on a tv show. Kaitlyn is sitting with her fiance of two years and they asked her about her ex-boyfriend in front of her fiance. Who would be ok with that for real? Again, they are not cartoon characters, they are real people with real feelings. I want people to put themselves in their shoes, and see how would they actually react after two years.
rob22
June 28, 2017 at 2:01 PM
It’s a pretty easy formula. Pick the two contestants most likely to have no shame. Ply them with alcohol. Perhaps whisper in their ears. Then just sit back and let the cameras roll. The show has no shame and hides behind the camera like they’re just recording what happens. Then Corrinne and DeMario are left out there looking dumb. Yeah, they deserve it. But obviously the show WANTED what happened to occur. If they didn’t want it to go as far as it did, they could have easily stepped in and put a stop to it. And you cannot tell me that it was just a couple of camera men recording it and the key producers knew nothing about it. This was juicy stuff, you know they were involved. Maybe that’s what the producers who complained were upset about. There are so many details missing about what went on with the show producers. But they own a big part of the blame.
justa_viewer
June 28, 2017 at 2:49 PM
All these DeMario defenders seem to forget that DeMario is the guy who apparently dumped a girlfriend shortly before joining the cast of Bachelorette. And then he had the nerve, when confronted with her, to ask Rachel “Who is that?” And then he continued to lie about the relationship to Rachel. (I’m still mystified by his “I met her many, many times ago.”) What a prince.
DeMario may have been wrongly accused in the BIP scandal; we’ll probably never know 100%. But he made himself look bad on Bachelorette, and he sounds like he had no sense of discretion on BIP either. Sorry, I have no sympathy for him.
instigator911
June 28, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Watching my DVR of last night’s part 2 episode (thank you Chicago Cubbies) and I am 100% certain that Bryan is full of Botox and filler in his cheeks.. Truly, the guy skeeves me and I’m not sure why my beautiful and intelligent Rachel picked this player.
tamara
June 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM
Can I say that Eric, while having less experience, would be a much better choice than Bryan. I don’t think Bryan can emotionally go deep an he already said he avoided things in his 4 year relationship. Not sure about Peter either but i think he’s a better choice than Bryan. I think Eric is sweet, sincere, and would make a loyal husband. My heart breaks for him to be on this show and know he will have his heart broken.
tater
June 28, 2017 at 8:45 PM
I don’t think things would’ve got as bad with Lee and Kenny if Rachel would’ve relayed the information truthfully. Lee didn’t say that Kenny DID attack him in the van Rachel said that. Also lee didn’t start telling Rachel about Kenny screaming at him till she asked him about the screaming. If she would’ve said I asked lee, Kenny wouldn’t have attacked after the first fight and the same thing with the 2nd time when on the 2on1 if she would’ve said what lee said instead of adding to it and saying that he did attack the 2nd bashing wouldn’t have happened either. No lees not completely innocent but Rachel was the one stirring the pot. I’m all for Dean! Bryan reminds me of Luke Bryan in a way.
dogmomma
June 29, 2017 at 8:24 AM
It’s interesting reading different opinions about the “Lee vs Kenny” drama and the BIP drama. I tend to agree with biscuit’s post, and I always like rob22’s take on things probably because I’m also a baby boomer and we seem to think alike. But people need to keep in mind that we only see what they show us, and if everyone posting on here knows about how the show manipulates the contestants and the viewers, and how they edit the crap out of everything, it really is hard to know the real story or to know someone’s real personality. I remember when Jade was made out to be controversial because of her nude photographs that were taken a long time ago, and from what I see of her Instagram posts, she seems like a wonderful person. I also follow Britt, and she is nothing like her portrayal when she was on Chris’s season, and I think she is also a wonderful person. If we saw a season of The Bachelor/ette where there was no manipulation or crazy editing, it would probably seem boring compared to all the crazy manufactured drama, but it would not bother me at all because the drama is so fake that it makes the show a joke.
qtontv
June 30, 2017 at 2:30 AM
@dogmomma, true, but people are often even less like what they portray on social media!
tiffann
July 4, 2017 at 9:50 AM
I don’t think Jade had a bad edit. They used her Playboy past as a way to help the story move along. I don’t think Brit had a bad edit either. She is the one who acted rudely toward people like Kaitlin. She felt her time was more precious and she showed it. You can only pretend to be “perfect” for so long and she eventually cracked. Also people generally put their best “face” on social media. It is more edited than reality TV, because people tend to only show you the version of themselves they want you to see. So you can’t make sound judgements off someone’s perceived perfect self or life.