Hi Steve,
Hoping you can answer this question in one of your next posts!
Am I the only one that feels like the group of “in” girls (basically ones going to BiP) from Nick’s season are serious “mean girls”/bullies? So much so that I am actually troubled by it and how they disguise it as being an army of women banding together… it’s quite the contrary… And I’m surprised I haven’t seen more people comment on this.
I understand wanting to speak their peace and defend Demario on the whole Corinne/Demario situation, but I thought the way Raven and Jasmine, and even some of the other girls through likes of instagram comments and tweets really ganged up on Corinne was completely classless. It seems like something they really should have stayed out of until the investigation was complete or contacted investigators privately… Speaking from experience you can be completely black out drunk and not remember a situation and appear completely coherent. An outside really DOES NOT KNOW the state of the other person. While I would never ever constitute this as rape (how could Demario be blamed either?), I don’t think it was their place to speak out on Corinne’s state. In their snap chat/ instagram story on the way to Mexico, Alexis posted one of her turning over a magazine cover of Corinne and throwing a few others onto the ground.. Again just comes off as very bully like, not “caring for the people involved” as they keep saying.
They did the same thing with ganging up against Leah Block for her racist tweet. While her tweet was not inappropriate, the way they attempted to really go at her, using words like “drag her”, was horrifying, in my opinion. Well then for Leah’s tweet, you might wanna include Rachel in that since Rachel owned Leah after what she said. But I was on Rachel’s side on that one. Leah was dumb to tweet that, then immediately got defensive which made it worse. Rachel put her in her place.
It seems like these are the most fame hungry girls I have ever seen cast. While Ben’s girls definitely had an “in” group and are no doubt fame hungry, none of them were ever bullies on social media. I really appreciated how Amanda DID NOT speak out on the Corinne/Demario situation. Seems like this group of Nick’s girls like whatever it is will advance their fame and will do whatever/ align with whoever will increase that. They were SO upset to have BiP cancelled as if they lost out on a chance at love. PLEASE. Those girls were there to party and expand their following NOT find love. Even thinking back to when it was “cool” to not like Taylor… They all certainly ganged up against her on the Women Tell All, and now that Corinne is not “in” are suddenly BFFs with Taylor.
Also.. just another note.. the way they have been excited for Rachel’s “leftovers” (as they put it) from day 1 has also been completely classless.
Has anyone else ever noticed this!?
Anyways, rant over. Always love reading your posts and hearing your thoughts!
Comment: I can see some of your points, but, if they saw something being portrayed one way, and they witnessed something completely different, they’re allowed to express their opinion just like you did. They were there. None of us were. And all they did was tell people what they saw because it seemed like DeMario was guilty before anything ever got out. I don’t see anything wrong with them expressing that.
I haven’t noticed anything along the lines of bullying by them as whole either, but you gotta remember, I also don’t follow their social media as intently as maybe you do. What else have they done? What specific examples do you have other than speaking out against Corinne and Leah’s tweet? I think every season every group of guys and girls all hang out, become BFF’s, and have a grand ol’ time on social media. I just don’t see these girls being any different. Granted, I don’t see everything, but nothing has stuck out to me out of the ordinary. Yeah, they spoke up on Corinne, but this is the first time that’s ever happened in show history where production got shut down for days over an incident. So I can’t fault them for stating what they witnessed. If others who weren’t there or were never on the show commented, that’d be a different story.
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Hey Steve,
Random question. I noticed last week and this week that during some of Rachel’s ITMs, her hair is completely different than during the date. During the ITMs, it’s pin straight, but it’s curled on the date. Not even like straight where the curls fell out, but like straightened with a flat iron. Are those ITMs the ones that are filmed after the fact? If so, why don’t they make more of an effort to match her appearance?
Comment: Yes. Happens all the time and in every episode. Sharleen’s “All the Pretty Pandas” blog captures this every week. I could just dedicate a column every week to the continuation mistakes this show makes, but, it’s too time consuming. Just know there will always be ITM’s shown every week that weren’t filmed directly before or after the date they’re talking about. It’s TV. They just assume people aren’t paying that close attention. And honestly, 95% of their audience isn’t, so they don’t bother to worry about it or try to cover it up.
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Hi Steve!
I love the spoilers! I was just wondering if anyone on the two on one date has ever been chosen in the end?
Comment: Vienna I believe is the only one. And her 2-on-1 was right before hometowns with Gia, but it wasn’t one where a rose was given out. So I wouldn’t even consider that as counting as a traditional 2-on-1. Off the top of my head, I don’t think anyone has, and plenty of leads have said in the past they’d never put anyone they truly cared about on a 2-on-1. They wouldn’t want to put them through that.
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Hi Steve,
I was wondering if you have any doubt about who the new winner, Bryan after your source was first wrong. I still stand by you and believe that the new spoiler is correct however I saw these 2 comments and started doubting the new spoiler. Someone Peter follows said so happy for the two of you. Now I don’t know if she’s talking about the show or if she spoiled the ending. The other comment was by Bryan’s Cousin who said you’ll make a great dad one day and my theory was if he and Rachel did end up together wouldn’t she say something diff since Rachel most probably wants kids soon. Idk at this point im probably just over thinking it but evidence points to Bryan being the winner and then it shifts to Peter and I’m just confused. Guess we’ll have to wait and find out. As mentioned earlier, it’s very easy to take things seen on social media and use them to fit the narrative that you like best. It seems like you’re a Peter fan and want to see him win. So you can take those things on social media and skew it towards it being a positive for Peter. However, on August 7th when you’ll see she’s engaged to Bryan, none of it will matter. You’re relying on what you see on TV and in social media to try and figure out who wins. That’s where you’re making your mistake. Because you’ll never get a definitive answer. It’s only guessing and speculating. All I can tell you is the source who originally told me it was Peter, who came back and said they made a mistake and she’s engaged to Bryan, I have the utmost confidence in what they told me based on a variety of factors. That’s the best I can give ya’.
My second question is BIP shoots for 2 weeks right but then why does Chris Harrison say it’s week 3,4,5 etc at the rose ceremonies in Paradise? Is it because he’s referring to the air time (6 weeks) ? Also does he say all those weeks instead of the two so it looks like they were in Paradise longer than they actually were?
Thank you so much Steve, always keeping up with your blog and Twitter!
Comment: Yes, they’re told to speak in “episodes” and not “total days/weeks filmed.”
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Hey Steve,
I know this question is about 5 years late, but do you remember during Ashley’s season the discussion of the next Bachelor and why Ames wasn’t chosen? A highly educated and successful businessman, had a great backstory and was well liked, it surprises me that they went for Ben F instead… and we all know how that played out. I could probably think of a few reasons.
On another note, this is the best Bachelorette season in a looong time. The most intelligent and sincere Bachelorette since Ashley IMO and I LOVE that she’s already gone back to work.
It’s really easy to separate the boys from the men of this group, am I right?
Thanks for all you do.
Comment: Yes, I agree. Rachel just doesn’t seem to spit out nearly as many clichéd and canned responses like other ones have. Seems like we know exactly what she’s thinking and how she’s feeling at all times. She’s very transparent.
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Hi Steve,
So who’s a more awful human being in your opinion – Lee or Chad? it’s a hard choice for me: openly racist troll or openly violent meathead? Ummmm, I choose Satan.
On an unrelated note, where do you recommend getting chicken parmesan in NYC? Have you tried Quality Italian? They pound it out like a pizza, and you eat it by the slice.
Comment: Never had it there. And honestly, I can’t remember the places I went to. But they were all good.
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Hi Steve,
Big fan from Greece. Probably the only bachelor franchise fan in the whole country! I have a question for you. Do you know if there is any kind of feud between Bryan and Peter? I’ve noticed that they do not follow each other on Instagram, something that does not happening with the “online” relationship amongst the other contestants. No idea.
Also, could you share with us some of the ehm, not nice stuff, you learned about Peter? I remember you’ve mention it a couple of times that you’ve heard stuff and I wonder what kind maybe that be.
Comment: I’ll just say what I’ve said from the beginning: Peter is no different than the rest of them.
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You can save this for your reader emails…
I have a theory on this whole Lee casting. I bet ABC was thinking “not only are we going to cast a black bachelorette, but we’re also going to cast a racist white guy, make him the villain and then let America rip him to shreds to not only prove the franchise isn’t racist, but also doesn’t accept this kind of intolerance.”
The hate ABC has gotten for making racism a storyline is probably not what they were expecting. I don’t know. Just a thought. What are your thought on Lee being on the Men Tell All? By now the jig is up an everyone has seen his twitter. Not only would he have to defend himself and the edit he’s gotten on the show, but there’s no way they’re not bringing up those tweets, right?
Also, a hypothetical question for you. If you could be a fly on the wall in one of these rooms, which do you choose… Amanda and Andi together at dinner last week? Or being there when Josh found out that Amanda and Andi were together at dinner?
Comment: I’d be pretty shocked if Lee was at the Men Tell All, however if he was, it would strictly be to apologize. If he comes there and hasn’t changed a beat, he’s a moron.
Probably Amanda and Andi together because there would be more stories to go around. We’ve already seen Josh fly off the handle before. That would’ve just been another time.
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Hi Steve,
I’m not sure if you will know the answer to this but do you happen to know if the guys/gals are told where to stand during the rose ceremonies? It almost seems like they have a certain place assigned to them and they have to stand there. I mostly ask because I just don’t feel like Kenny would intentionally stand next to Lee if he didn’t have to, as shown in last night’s rose ceremony.
This obviously isn’t a huge issue but I was just curious.
Thank you!!
Comment: Yes, they’re told where to stand.
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Hi Steve!
I’d love to get your opinion on a theory I had about the casting and ages that go on each season. Do you think that the producers ask each lead what age range they’re comfortable settling down with/dating? In last seasons case this would mean Nick responded with an “I don’t care, I know I’m not ending up with this person” so the producers filled the cast with a bunch of 21-24 year olds because they would make good tv. Then, this season Rachel is obviously more serious about the process so she got a bunch of men that are actually close in age with her and have more in common with her/mature? Just a thought!
Comment: They certainly ask, but that doesn’t mean casting will oblige. They’ll cast roughly the same age group every season no matter who the lead is. The numbers have proven that out.
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Hey Steve!
What are you hearing in regards to Rachel and moving out of Dallas? Is Miami really on the table? I don’t think so at all.
Also, do you really think Peter can carry his own season? I’m definitely not seeing Eric being ready for his own season and he’s so in his head im amazed he made it as far as he did. They are the only game in town at this point.
Have a great week!
Comment: This is the same franchise that had Sean, Ben Flajnik, and Ben Higgins as leads. At any point during their respective “Bachelorette” seasons, did you ever find them wildly entertaining? The life of the party? A crazy, fun, outgoing personality? That’d be a no. I say it all the time: it doesn’t matter who the lead is. The show is made in casting, the drama, the dates, and the locations. Same script every season. That’s what makes the show.
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rob22
June 28, 2017 at 9:02 AM
One emailer was bashing millennials for their dumb social media behavior. Look, can we get over the generation bashing? I’m a Baby Boomer, and we heard essentially the same things when we were in our early 20s. Baby Boomers were self-absorbed, didn’t have morals and were overall immature bums. Then the Gen-Xers had their time in the barrel. They were additionally labelled “lazy”. Now the millennials.
Look the issue isn’t the generation. It’s their age. Early 20s people aren’t generally known for their maturity. They are known for over-partying, being self absorbed, and bad decision making. But guess what? They’ll grow up and mature, then the next generation will take their turn getting bashed.
I’m seeing some voices out there saying that Millennials are really awesome for the social consciousness, especially their willingness to help others. Some companies are adopting social awareness programs to help better engage millennials and attract them to their workforce. Bottom line: there’s always more hope with the younger generations to be better than the ones that came before them.
As a Baby Boomer, I don’t see any way that we can bash other generations. We were the self absorbed hippies, the self absorbed “greed is good” generation during the 90s, and still managed to morph into self absorbed grumpy old “get off my lawn” people currently.
But, of course, that’s a huge generalization. It’s not really any better to bash the boomers vs. the millennials. We’re all individuals and we’re all responsible for our own behavior. But let’s stop bashing the millennials OK? They’re fine. They’re just young. Fun fact: did you know that millennials now make up half of our work force?
biscuit
June 28, 2017 at 10:28 AM
regarding BIP, I felt bad for DeMario having the stigma of being assaulting a woman when both parties were reported as being drunk. I could not understand why one party was held to a higher standard of responsibility when they were in the same condition. Corrine crying “victim” floored me. But just as how Corrine’s statements bothered me, I also have issue with DeMario. He is focusing solely on the “label” he received. Yes, it was unjust and damaging. But neither he nor Corrine are addressing their core actions, choices, and debauchery that got them in the situation in the 1st place. Forget about whether this was consensual…
Just because unlimited alcohol is at your disposal 24-7 does not mean you have to consume to where you lose control. just as they supply alcohol, I’m sure they also supply soft drinks and water. you can “choose” to consume that. they are not ignorant to the cause and effect of consumption of too much alcohol. now mind you, even though they were toasted, I believe they were fully aware of what they were doing. yes, alcohol will loosen you up and will take control over you, but we all know that, so why place yourself in that position. if you choose to consume in that manner, then take responsibility of the outcome.
then to go further, what type of person has no problem of publicizing their sexual acts. we already knew Corrine was proud of her public actions from her time with nick on The Bachelor. but to hear demario’s interviews and how his parents were troubled because of the accusations. Again, yes the accusations were serious and damaging. But why were you even in the position for this to be a possibility? My parents would have been on ME for thinking it was ok to have sex with a person I just met, do it in such a public fashion (cast & crew present), and call for cameras to record the act. Demario said he made sure cameras were there. And he’s proud of that?
There are times when trouble comes our way, not because of any wrongdoing we have done, but just because. That’s not the case here. They both consciously made decisions to “go all out” as he states. They both decided to consume a substance they KNOW causes inhibitions. I’m not even sure if you can blame it on the a-a-a-a-alcohol. To hear them both talk, they do not seem to even feel shame for what they did. That says to me you could/would do this even without drinking. The problem did not arise until a complaint was made and the snowball effect of the complaint.
I know the affect drugs have on a person. Everyone has seen and/or heard of horror stories of things persons have done while on cocaine, meth or whatever drug of choice. If you know this and still choose to consume, then assume responsibility of the consequences. Same as if I choose to partake in a criminal activity, I should assume punishment and consequences. If I choose to consume alcohol to the extent of it controlling me, assume the responsibility of all that follows. there is no way anyone is a victim, regardless of their claim, especially if you did the exact same thing months prior on another show. let’s give someone the benefit of a doubt they had never been drunk and something happened. then if you see footage of your actions and you receive revelation of the effects, if there’s any remorse, I would think one would opt not to make that “mistake” again. if Corrine had any shame for what she did with nick, or even the edit, then she wouldn’t allow herself to be a “victim” as she states.
LM111
June 28, 2017 at 11:05 AM
I don’t know if it’s just me, but whenever I see Dean, all I see if Farmer Chris Soules. Anyone else see that? I can’t get over it and for that reason, I’ll be bummed if he becomes the next bachelor.
Also, I can barely tell Jack Stone and Bryan apart (to me, Jack is the better looking version of the two). I’m not into Bryan at all. Don’t really know why, just not my type. My pick would be Peter hands down!! Hope he’s the next Bachelor!!!
tbta4
June 28, 2017 at 11:09 AM
Amen Biscuit. As the mother of a 26 year old, I was thinking how embarrassed I would be to know my son thought public sex and general f***ery was a way to “own” BIP. Plus the delusion that this behavior would be an opportunity for redemption. Wow, just wow.
marcommom
June 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM
Following up on the BIP comments – I find this entire episode fascinating from legal, ethical and entertainment industry standpoints. The positioning is like a game of chess, the strategies that are being employed – legal, PR – are really interesting to behold.
All that being said, though, and I’ve said it before – I still maintain a gut feeling that this is and has been shameless opportunism on the part of the Olympios side. I am not emotionally invested, just as Steve claims not to be invested in the shows’ outcomes, etc – but honestly I’d rather watch this scenario devolve vs politics. I’m ready to be proven wrong – but this was the girl/camp who came into The Bachelor seeking to make a name for herself by acting promiscuously, coming up with (scripted?) one=liners that she is now trying to parlay into some clothing line and to become an overnight sensation (ha). Whether she is simply regretful she behaved this way because she has a boyfriend, or if she is trying to cash in, I see her as a strategist, not a victim.
I’m not slut shaming, I’m basing my opinion on her past behavior and opportunism. I’m very interested to see how this all plays out. I do hope this girl gets her head on straight – in many areas – and lives a happy life OUT of the spotlight she desperately craves. It’s not the place for her.
crushonspivey
June 28, 2017 at 11:43 AM
tbta4, they cast DeMario exactly because that was his outlook about BIP. They want it trashy. And they want him hooking up with Corinne or whoever. And chances are great a producer got in Corinne’s ear and told her to go for it with DeMario in the first place, then to move on to other guys as well. Their job is to get contestants to do crazy stuff.
Big money says it was Elan who kicked DeMario off. Elan is the guy this franchise needs to think about replacing. He has let the crap get out of control. First Kenny and Lee, and then BIP. He sets the tone, he pushes the producers to handle their contestants. He is Fleiss on site right hand man for getting things to get crazy.
Poor DeMario. Dude got wronged.
instigator911
June 28, 2017 at 11:59 AM
Excessive Consumption of alcohol can make you do stupid things – i.e., get a DUI, say something stupid, act stupid, have sex with someone you wouldn’t choose when sober.
The only good that could come of this would be for DeMario and Corinne to do a PSA on the dangers of alcohol.
tamz171926
June 28, 2017 at 12:19 PM
Well said, Biscuit!
deana
June 28, 2017 at 1:55 PM
I personally think it was extremely disrespectful for the Matty radio to bring up Nick after freakin 2 years plus I remember Shawn snapped about the radio interview. The interviewer started the interview by saying they are fake people with a fake relationship. I think people forget they are real people not a character on a tv show. Kaitlyn is sitting with her fiance of two years and they asked her about her ex-boyfriend in front of her fiance. Who would be ok with that for real? Again, they are not cartoon characters, they are real people with real feelings. I want people to put themselves in their shoes, and see how would they actually react after two years.
rob22
June 28, 2017 at 2:01 PM
It’s a pretty easy formula. Pick the two contestants most likely to have no shame. Ply them with alcohol. Perhaps whisper in their ears. Then just sit back and let the cameras roll. The show has no shame and hides behind the camera like they’re just recording what happens. Then Corrinne and DeMario are left out there looking dumb. Yeah, they deserve it. But obviously the show WANTED what happened to occur. If they didn’t want it to go as far as it did, they could have easily stepped in and put a stop to it. And you cannot tell me that it was just a couple of camera men recording it and the key producers knew nothing about it. This was juicy stuff, you know they were involved. Maybe that’s what the producers who complained were upset about. There are so many details missing about what went on with the show producers. But they own a big part of the blame.
justa_viewer
June 28, 2017 at 2:49 PM
All these DeMario defenders seem to forget that DeMario is the guy who apparently dumped a girlfriend shortly before joining the cast of Bachelorette. And then he had the nerve, when confronted with her, to ask Rachel “Who is that?” And then he continued to lie about the relationship to Rachel. (I’m still mystified by his “I met her many, many times ago.”) What a prince.
DeMario may have been wrongly accused in the BIP scandal; we’ll probably never know 100%. But he made himself look bad on Bachelorette, and he sounds like he had no sense of discretion on BIP either. Sorry, I have no sympathy for him.
instigator911
June 28, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Watching my DVR of last night’s part 2 episode (thank you Chicago Cubbies) and I am 100% certain that Bryan is full of Botox and filler in his cheeks.. Truly, the guy skeeves me and I’m not sure why my beautiful and intelligent Rachel picked this player.
tamara
June 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM
Can I say that Eric, while having less experience, would be a much better choice than Bryan. I don’t think Bryan can emotionally go deep an he already said he avoided things in his 4 year relationship. Not sure about Peter either but i think he’s a better choice than Bryan. I think Eric is sweet, sincere, and would make a loyal husband. My heart breaks for him to be on this show and know he will have his heart broken.
tater
June 28, 2017 at 8:45 PM
I don’t think things would’ve got as bad with Lee and Kenny if Rachel would’ve relayed the information truthfully. Lee didn’t say that Kenny DID attack him in the van Rachel said that. Also lee didn’t start telling Rachel about Kenny screaming at him till she asked him about the screaming. If she would’ve said I asked lee, Kenny wouldn’t have attacked after the first fight and the same thing with the 2nd time when on the 2on1 if she would’ve said what lee said instead of adding to it and saying that he did attack the 2nd bashing wouldn’t have happened either. No lees not completely innocent but Rachel was the one stirring the pot. I’m all for Dean! Bryan reminds me of Luke Bryan in a way.
dogmomma
June 29, 2017 at 8:24 AM
It’s interesting reading different opinions about the “Lee vs Kenny” drama and the BIP drama. I tend to agree with biscuit’s post, and I always like rob22’s take on things probably because I’m also a baby boomer and we seem to think alike. But people need to keep in mind that we only see what they show us, and if everyone posting on here knows about how the show manipulates the contestants and the viewers, and how they edit the crap out of everything, it really is hard to know the real story or to know someone’s real personality. I remember when Jade was made out to be controversial because of her nude photographs that were taken a long time ago, and from what I see of her Instagram posts, she seems like a wonderful person. I also follow Britt, and she is nothing like her portrayal when she was on Chris’s season, and I think she is also a wonderful person. If we saw a season of The Bachelor/ette where there was no manipulation or crazy editing, it would probably seem boring compared to all the crazy manufactured drama, but it would not bother me at all because the drama is so fake that it makes the show a joke.
qtontv
June 30, 2017 at 2:30 AM
@dogmomma, true, but people are often even less like what they portray on social media!
tiffann
July 4, 2017 at 9:50 AM
I don’t think Jade had a bad edit. They used her Playboy past as a way to help the story move along. I don’t think Brit had a bad edit either. She is the one who acted rudely toward people like Kaitlin. She felt her time was more precious and she showed it. You can only pretend to be “perfect” for so long and she eventually cracked. Also people generally put their best “face” on social media. It is more edited than reality TV, because people tend to only show you the version of themselves they want you to see. So you can’t make sound judgements off someone’s perceived perfect self or life.