Hi Steve,
I’m just curious if there is an age limit on BIP. It seems like the participants are only from more recent editions of the Bachelor franchise. Do they purposely exclude those bachelor/bachelorette contestants from past seasons because they want to keep the show young? It gets kind of boring seeing the same people.
Thanks!
Comment: Hmmmm, I’m confused on that one. In the four seasons of BIP, we always see the people from the two most recent seasons make up a majority of the cast. They’ll always throw past ones back in, but it makes sense to cast more recent people because those are the ones most fresh on people’s minds. Like, you’d really want to see a season of cast members from 4-5 seasons ago trying to find love? My guess is if they ever did that, your reaction would be, “Who are these people?”
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You asked why would BIP do a publicity stunt when the show is already hot? In my opinion Steve…yes you’re right the show is very popular. It’s my summer obsession. I make pink piña coladas as a weekly routine when the show is on…I call them “Pinka Coladas”. Lol.
But I’m not that impressed with the cast. Besides Corrine and DeMario the cast seems boring. Maybe the producers knew that and needed a plan B to spice things up by shutting down production and regrouping.
Comment: Like I said in a previous email, the cast is exactly what the cast is every season. They’ve gotten all the most memorable contestants from the most recent seasons. So I’m not sure what your expectations were heading into BIP.
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Hi there, glad for you that you will have those 6 weeks back for your site!
Anyway, what are your thoughts on Amanda S. going to paradise and then going back again once production re started? I’m wondering if they are grooming her to be in contention for being the Bachelorette? Similarly to how they showed Nick V down there. Do you think that the entire cast had to go back because of their contracts from the first time?
Keep spoilin’
Comment: Amanda won’t be the “Bachelorette.”
Pretty much all of the original cast did. I think a couple didn’t, but not 100% sure yet.
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Hi Steve,
I want to tell you that I love your podcasts. I haven’t missed one yet. Did you ever consider getting Brooks to be a guest? I always enjoyed him on Afterbuzz and think he would be a great one to have on. It’s possible.
I cannot get over how much I am enjoying Dean this season. Any chance he’ll be considered for the lead? Or is he still with Kristina?
Thanks!! Hope you’re having a good weekend.
Comment: I guess we’ll know in a couple weeks if he’s still with Kristina. But no, I don’t see him being the “Bachelor” regardless of if he is or not.
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Steve,
I don’t know if you saw Peter Kraus’ fitness tour post on Instagram. I have watched the show for many years and have never seen even an F3 do something like that while the show is still on. Do you think from an ethical stand point that it was a good move? I would personally have preferred that he waited until the show ends. Is it possible he does something at the end of the season that he thinks might lead to him losing fans, thus saw the need to capitalize on his popularity now?
Comment: A fitness tour? I don’t know what that is. Hey, he’s doing what he set out to accomplish, which was to increase his brand. So I guess if it works for him, so be it.
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Hey Steve,
Long time reader, you have been my favorite site online for years. Please always keep doing you.
I travel a lot for work, so I always save your podcasts for layovers. It makes me actually look forward to flight delays.
So I know you occasionally have insider info on other reality shows, anything on Married at First Sight this season? Are any of them still together?
Comment: Well, I would actually disagree with you there. I don’t even think I occasionally have insider info on other shows. I can’t remember any that I have outside of this franchise. So no, got nothin’ for ya’ unfortunately.
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Hi Steve,
I got into the Bachelor during Ben Higgin’s season which led me to watch Sean Lowe’s season because they seem to be two of the best guys in the franchise. Now, I am a fan of the Bachelor and because of your podcast I am a fan of so many others who have been on previous seasons. Thank you for allowing these former contestants to share their stores, experiences and give advice. I don’t know about anyone else but for me this has opened my eyes and shown me how much greater these people are than just who they have been shown to be in the series.
I loved Tenley’s podcast episode! I’ve listened to each episode and from each one you’ve posted I gain something new each time and this one was no different. She is so wise and I hope to hear her back on the podcast again sometime!
In case you were wondering my favorite episodes so far have been the one where we learned about you, Ashley Spivey, Lesley Murphy and Tenley. Each of these women have amazing stories and are so strong they’ve encouraged me.
Comment: Thank you. All of those girls were great. It’s basically impossible to rank them at this point. I feel I learn something from each person I interview, and that was the goal from the get go. We’ve got some good ones coming up I think.
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Hi Steve,
I love the weekly podcasts! I really enjoyed Ashley Frazier’s interview, she seemed more easy going on the podcast than she did during The Bachelor. It was interesting to learn what Sean had said to her. I also enjoyed Lesley Murphy’s as she was a favourite of mine and a family member is dealing with some medical issues related to hers. It is great seeing such a different side to your podcast guests!
Any chance you will be able to get Brad Womack on as a podcast guest? I found his 2 seasons (especially 1.0) pretty entertaining, especially because he just seemed so checked out of the whole process. I’d love to know how producers felt when he said he wasn’t choosing anyone. I think I remember Chris Harrison saying the show brought Deanna’s family down to the final rose ceremony location but then he didn’t actually choose her. I’m assuming the show was pretty peeved or maybe they loved the attention it brought?
Thanks!
Comment: Lets just say you’ll get your answer to the DeAnna question in tomorrow’s podcast.
As for Brad, you know I don’t like addressing this stuff, but lets just say I’m pretty certain you won’t ever hear him on a podcast. I’ve put out feelers. He just doesn’t do media like this, so I’d be surprised.
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Hi Steve,
I’m a big fan of your site and pods.
I had a quick question regarding BIP this season. Do you see any of the guys on the season pulling a Nick and becoming the Bachelor in that fashion instead of some one straight from Rachel’s?
Thanks and keep up the great work!
Comment: It’s still early but I really think it’s gonna be Peter.
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Hi RS,
You mentioned in the brain candy podcast that the BIP scandal is the top 3 busiest times for you as far media requests and work for your site. What are the other top 2times?
Comment: The Jason and Molly one for sure, because that whole storyline essentially put the site on the map. And then Desiree’s ending because it was the only one I was truly ever wrong on where it was never corrected. That night and into the next day was crazy ass traffic.
rob22
June 28, 2017 at 9:02 AM
One emailer was bashing millennials for their dumb social media behavior. Look, can we get over the generation bashing? I’m a Baby Boomer, and we heard essentially the same things when we were in our early 20s. Baby Boomers were self-absorbed, didn’t have morals and were overall immature bums. Then the Gen-Xers had their time in the barrel. They were additionally labelled “lazy”. Now the millennials.
Look the issue isn’t the generation. It’s their age. Early 20s people aren’t generally known for their maturity. They are known for over-partying, being self absorbed, and bad decision making. But guess what? They’ll grow up and mature, then the next generation will take their turn getting bashed.
I’m seeing some voices out there saying that Millennials are really awesome for the social consciousness, especially their willingness to help others. Some companies are adopting social awareness programs to help better engage millennials and attract them to their workforce. Bottom line: there’s always more hope with the younger generations to be better than the ones that came before them.
As a Baby Boomer, I don’t see any way that we can bash other generations. We were the self absorbed hippies, the self absorbed “greed is good” generation during the 90s, and still managed to morph into self absorbed grumpy old “get off my lawn” people currently.
But, of course, that’s a huge generalization. It’s not really any better to bash the boomers vs. the millennials. We’re all individuals and we’re all responsible for our own behavior. But let’s stop bashing the millennials OK? They’re fine. They’re just young. Fun fact: did you know that millennials now make up half of our work force?
biscuit
June 28, 2017 at 10:28 AM
regarding BIP, I felt bad for DeMario having the stigma of being assaulting a woman when both parties were reported as being drunk. I could not understand why one party was held to a higher standard of responsibility when they were in the same condition. Corrine crying “victim” floored me. But just as how Corrine’s statements bothered me, I also have issue with DeMario. He is focusing solely on the “label” he received. Yes, it was unjust and damaging. But neither he nor Corrine are addressing their core actions, choices, and debauchery that got them in the situation in the 1st place. Forget about whether this was consensual…
Just because unlimited alcohol is at your disposal 24-7 does not mean you have to consume to where you lose control. just as they supply alcohol, I’m sure they also supply soft drinks and water. you can “choose” to consume that. they are not ignorant to the cause and effect of consumption of too much alcohol. now mind you, even though they were toasted, I believe they were fully aware of what they were doing. yes, alcohol will loosen you up and will take control over you, but we all know that, so why place yourself in that position. if you choose to consume in that manner, then take responsibility of the outcome.
then to go further, what type of person has no problem of publicizing their sexual acts. we already knew Corrine was proud of her public actions from her time with nick on The Bachelor. but to hear demario’s interviews and how his parents were troubled because of the accusations. Again, yes the accusations were serious and damaging. But why were you even in the position for this to be a possibility? My parents would have been on ME for thinking it was ok to have sex with a person I just met, do it in such a public fashion (cast & crew present), and call for cameras to record the act. Demario said he made sure cameras were there. And he’s proud of that?
There are times when trouble comes our way, not because of any wrongdoing we have done, but just because. That’s not the case here. They both consciously made decisions to “go all out” as he states. They both decided to consume a substance they KNOW causes inhibitions. I’m not even sure if you can blame it on the a-a-a-a-alcohol. To hear them both talk, they do not seem to even feel shame for what they did. That says to me you could/would do this even without drinking. The problem did not arise until a complaint was made and the snowball effect of the complaint.
I know the affect drugs have on a person. Everyone has seen and/or heard of horror stories of things persons have done while on cocaine, meth or whatever drug of choice. If you know this and still choose to consume, then assume responsibility of the consequences. Same as if I choose to partake in a criminal activity, I should assume punishment and consequences. If I choose to consume alcohol to the extent of it controlling me, assume the responsibility of all that follows. there is no way anyone is a victim, regardless of their claim, especially if you did the exact same thing months prior on another show. let’s give someone the benefit of a doubt they had never been drunk and something happened. then if you see footage of your actions and you receive revelation of the effects, if there’s any remorse, I would think one would opt not to make that “mistake” again. if Corrine had any shame for what she did with nick, or even the edit, then she wouldn’t allow herself to be a “victim” as she states.
LM111
June 28, 2017 at 11:05 AM
I don’t know if it’s just me, but whenever I see Dean, all I see if Farmer Chris Soules. Anyone else see that? I can’t get over it and for that reason, I’ll be bummed if he becomes the next bachelor.
Also, I can barely tell Jack Stone and Bryan apart (to me, Jack is the better looking version of the two). I’m not into Bryan at all. Don’t really know why, just not my type. My pick would be Peter hands down!! Hope he’s the next Bachelor!!!
tbta4
June 28, 2017 at 11:09 AM
Amen Biscuit. As the mother of a 26 year old, I was thinking how embarrassed I would be to know my son thought public sex and general f***ery was a way to “own” BIP. Plus the delusion that this behavior would be an opportunity for redemption. Wow, just wow.
marcommom
June 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM
Following up on the BIP comments – I find this entire episode fascinating from legal, ethical and entertainment industry standpoints. The positioning is like a game of chess, the strategies that are being employed – legal, PR – are really interesting to behold.
All that being said, though, and I’ve said it before – I still maintain a gut feeling that this is and has been shameless opportunism on the part of the Olympios side. I am not emotionally invested, just as Steve claims not to be invested in the shows’ outcomes, etc – but honestly I’d rather watch this scenario devolve vs politics. I’m ready to be proven wrong – but this was the girl/camp who came into The Bachelor seeking to make a name for herself by acting promiscuously, coming up with (scripted?) one=liners that she is now trying to parlay into some clothing line and to become an overnight sensation (ha). Whether she is simply regretful she behaved this way because she has a boyfriend, or if she is trying to cash in, I see her as a strategist, not a victim.
I’m not slut shaming, I’m basing my opinion on her past behavior and opportunism. I’m very interested to see how this all plays out. I do hope this girl gets her head on straight – in many areas – and lives a happy life OUT of the spotlight she desperately craves. It’s not the place for her.
crushonspivey
June 28, 2017 at 11:43 AM
tbta4, they cast DeMario exactly because that was his outlook about BIP. They want it trashy. And they want him hooking up with Corinne or whoever. And chances are great a producer got in Corinne’s ear and told her to go for it with DeMario in the first place, then to move on to other guys as well. Their job is to get contestants to do crazy stuff.
Big money says it was Elan who kicked DeMario off. Elan is the guy this franchise needs to think about replacing. He has let the crap get out of control. First Kenny and Lee, and then BIP. He sets the tone, he pushes the producers to handle their contestants. He is Fleiss on site right hand man for getting things to get crazy.
Poor DeMario. Dude got wronged.
instigator911
June 28, 2017 at 11:59 AM
Excessive Consumption of alcohol can make you do stupid things – i.e., get a DUI, say something stupid, act stupid, have sex with someone you wouldn’t choose when sober.
The only good that could come of this would be for DeMario and Corinne to do a PSA on the dangers of alcohol.
tamz171926
June 28, 2017 at 12:19 PM
Well said, Biscuit!
deana
June 28, 2017 at 1:55 PM
I personally think it was extremely disrespectful for the Matty radio to bring up Nick after freakin 2 years plus I remember Shawn snapped about the radio interview. The interviewer started the interview by saying they are fake people with a fake relationship. I think people forget they are real people not a character on a tv show. Kaitlyn is sitting with her fiance of two years and they asked her about her ex-boyfriend in front of her fiance. Who would be ok with that for real? Again, they are not cartoon characters, they are real people with real feelings. I want people to put themselves in their shoes, and see how would they actually react after two years.
rob22
June 28, 2017 at 2:01 PM
It’s a pretty easy formula. Pick the two contestants most likely to have no shame. Ply them with alcohol. Perhaps whisper in their ears. Then just sit back and let the cameras roll. The show has no shame and hides behind the camera like they’re just recording what happens. Then Corrinne and DeMario are left out there looking dumb. Yeah, they deserve it. But obviously the show WANTED what happened to occur. If they didn’t want it to go as far as it did, they could have easily stepped in and put a stop to it. And you cannot tell me that it was just a couple of camera men recording it and the key producers knew nothing about it. This was juicy stuff, you know they were involved. Maybe that’s what the producers who complained were upset about. There are so many details missing about what went on with the show producers. But they own a big part of the blame.
justa_viewer
June 28, 2017 at 2:49 PM
All these DeMario defenders seem to forget that DeMario is the guy who apparently dumped a girlfriend shortly before joining the cast of Bachelorette. And then he had the nerve, when confronted with her, to ask Rachel “Who is that?” And then he continued to lie about the relationship to Rachel. (I’m still mystified by his “I met her many, many times ago.”) What a prince.
DeMario may have been wrongly accused in the BIP scandal; we’ll probably never know 100%. But he made himself look bad on Bachelorette, and he sounds like he had no sense of discretion on BIP either. Sorry, I have no sympathy for him.
instigator911
June 28, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Watching my DVR of last night’s part 2 episode (thank you Chicago Cubbies) and I am 100% certain that Bryan is full of Botox and filler in his cheeks.. Truly, the guy skeeves me and I’m not sure why my beautiful and intelligent Rachel picked this player.
tamara
June 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM
Can I say that Eric, while having less experience, would be a much better choice than Bryan. I don’t think Bryan can emotionally go deep an he already said he avoided things in his 4 year relationship. Not sure about Peter either but i think he’s a better choice than Bryan. I think Eric is sweet, sincere, and would make a loyal husband. My heart breaks for him to be on this show and know he will have his heart broken.
tater
June 28, 2017 at 8:45 PM
I don’t think things would’ve got as bad with Lee and Kenny if Rachel would’ve relayed the information truthfully. Lee didn’t say that Kenny DID attack him in the van Rachel said that. Also lee didn’t start telling Rachel about Kenny screaming at him till she asked him about the screaming. If she would’ve said I asked lee, Kenny wouldn’t have attacked after the first fight and the same thing with the 2nd time when on the 2on1 if she would’ve said what lee said instead of adding to it and saying that he did attack the 2nd bashing wouldn’t have happened either. No lees not completely innocent but Rachel was the one stirring the pot. I’m all for Dean! Bryan reminds me of Luke Bryan in a way.
dogmomma
June 29, 2017 at 8:24 AM
It’s interesting reading different opinions about the “Lee vs Kenny” drama and the BIP drama. I tend to agree with biscuit’s post, and I always like rob22’s take on things probably because I’m also a baby boomer and we seem to think alike. But people need to keep in mind that we only see what they show us, and if everyone posting on here knows about how the show manipulates the contestants and the viewers, and how they edit the crap out of everything, it really is hard to know the real story or to know someone’s real personality. I remember when Jade was made out to be controversial because of her nude photographs that were taken a long time ago, and from what I see of her Instagram posts, she seems like a wonderful person. I also follow Britt, and she is nothing like her portrayal when she was on Chris’s season, and I think she is also a wonderful person. If we saw a season of The Bachelor/ette where there was no manipulation or crazy editing, it would probably seem boring compared to all the crazy manufactured drama, but it would not bother me at all because the drama is so fake that it makes the show a joke.
qtontv
June 30, 2017 at 2:30 AM
@dogmomma, true, but people are often even less like what they portray on social media!
tiffann
July 4, 2017 at 9:50 AM
I don’t think Jade had a bad edit. They used her Playboy past as a way to help the story move along. I don’t think Brit had a bad edit either. She is the one who acted rudely toward people like Kaitlin. She felt her time was more precious and she showed it. You can only pretend to be “perfect” for so long and she eventually cracked. Also people generally put their best “face” on social media. It is more edited than reality TV, because people tend to only show you the version of themselves they want you to see. So you can’t make sound judgements off someone’s perceived perfect self or life.